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Recieved: 1999/12/05 15:34
Subject: Re: [K-list] [Martin] Vietnam Veterans Study .. 2
From: Martin Thompson
On 1999/12/05 15:34, Martin Thompson posted thus to the K-list:
07:58:52 Mon, 6 Dec 1999
Christopher Wynter at Christopher Wynter <wynterATnospamone.net.au> writes:
>
>Would you allow the possibility ..
> or
>dismiss it out of hand.
>
I would not dismiss it out of hand, but leave it open, pending
incontrovertible evidence or at least peer-reviewed and repeatable
studies. Basically, I would consider it "unknown," unlikely but not
necessarily impossible either. The statistics *may* be correct, but the
minefield lies in the interpretation of them.
>I am very aware of what you speak ..
> including the nature of transferance ...
> and projection from the therapist onto the client.
>
This projection problem seems to be almost impossible to eliminate in
dealing with people being questioned, as the sensitivity of the subjects
can be a remarkable phenomenon in itself.
For instance, analysis of the ganzfeld parapsychology experiments which
I think were tried at Edinburgh University (or somewhere similar) at
first suggested better than random results, but finally produced random
results when those trials in which the questioner knew the answers were
taken out.
>I also understand that conventional mainstream psychology
>and psychotherapy has difficulties with this ..
>
>but then, it wasn't so long ago that the Freudians
> had difficulties with Jung
>
I think they still do, and so do many who like to consider themselves to
be scientists (e.g., look at The Oxford Companion to the Mind, edited by
RL Gregory - it doesn't even have an entry for Jung). But in my view,
Jung was the more objective: for instance archetypes are real mental
phenomena, in my opinion.
>But I am also aware of many other case histories
>within the clients I have worked with
>for which there can really be no other explanation ..
>
One day, perhaps, science will have these things explained and we will
all believe those explanations. At the moment, the mind is still largely
a mystery and our interpretations of what happens with it can be wildly
inaccurate. The important thing is to keep investigating, I think.
Theories come and go, but the data are ultimately what tell the story.
For now, I doubt such explanations, but know that I can't rule them out
altogether.
[Other experiments:]
>BTW . during these experiments, the client and therapist were
>separated by a shielded room ... and there was no contact between them ...
>the subtle energy emanations from the body
>were electronically measured and recorded,
>and the memories of the client taped (without external prompting ...)
>
>The client was also fully conscious (registering normal brainwaves)
>during the entire process.
And aware of what you were looking for?
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