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Recieved: 1999/10/27  05:18  
Subject: [K-list] TIME (long quote) 
From: Adele Chatelain
  
On 1999/10/27  05:18, Adele Chatelain posted thus to the K-list: 
"Time in aboriginal (Native American) California seems to 
have 
been similar to Time among the Nuer whom we discussed 
earlier, in that there was no explicit notion of time per 
se.  Events did not take place at some specific point on a 
clock or calendar.  Insofar as specified dates were fixed 
they were so many days, moons, or years from some other 
event.  But for the most part the timing of events was 
determined by their actual occurence rather than some point 
in an artifical scale.  Months, viz., moons, were often 
named, but rather than having what for us have become 
meaningless labels, they tended to take their name from 
natural events with which they coincided: "ice on streams," 
"growth 
begins," "bulbs mature," etc.  Reconings often differed and 
there was no standard but nature's by which to settle 
disputes.  When the acorns actually fell, argument as to the 
acorn moon was decided.  There seems to have been little 
concern or need for exact precision with time units of less 
than a day.  And in general people were unconcerned with 
their age or the time since an event which had occureed 
several years previously; the elapsed time simply was not 
important.
 
The concern with the generic aspect of creation discussed 
above is reflected in the image of time and in the various 
means of power acquisition.  Among those peoples in which 
individuals were visited by dream helpers, these helpers, 
whether animals, plants, or personified natural phenomena 
such as Thunder or Fire, were the generic aspect of the 
helper, rather than a particular manifestation of it.  
Similarly, among those peoples who acquired power by 
visiting their culture heroes, it was the generic aspect of 
the hero that they encountered.  To do this it was deemed 
necessary to travel into mythic time (we would say 'back 
into,' but I wonder if that is correct) when they were not 
yet particularized.  Here at the creation, one could 
encounter the undifferentiated beings who control the 
world.  And also, it was here that one was closer to the 
full undiminshed source of power.
 
Necessary for this nexus of ideas about Time, 
Classification, and Causality is a conception of dreaming 
quite alien to white thinking... 
whites frequently survey boundaries in straight lines 
(space) and 
also use natural geographic features uch as watersheds or 
streams as 
boundaries...
 
...We know from the archaeological record that culture and 
environmental changes in California were remarkably slow 
over the past 4000 years.  Such constant conditions would 
have promoted an image of time in which each year within a 
person's life span would be seen as essentailly a repetition 
of previous ones " (hence no 'past' is used, but rather 
'repetition' which implies past but not directly).
 
from: WORLD VIEW by Michael Kearney (U of California) 
Chandler and Sharp Pubs. 1984
 
 
 
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