To: K-list
Recieved: 1999/10/19 09:58
Subject: Re: Re: [K-list] Lost mantras due to ineffectiveness
From: Ville Vainio
On 1999/10/19 09:58, Ville Vainio posted thus to the K-list:
On Fri, 15 Oct 1999, alingimp wrote:
> To me it seems that meditation and trance are not the same thing.
Yes, they are not the same thing. Meditation is a *technique* which
creates a state called trance.
> During meditation, the mind is actually supposed to stay alert and focussed,
> where as during a state of trance, the mind is not focussed and is getting
> 'lost', so to speak. Now, there is absolutely nothing wrong with either of
> those two states of
> mind in my opinion, but they are not quite the same thing and mentioning
> them in the same breath sounds to me like an oxymoron because one state
> would exclude the other.
Meditation (focusing) allows the trance to deepen. If one lets the trance
take control and "relaxes", enjoying the trance state, you can't go too
deep but when you go on concentrating (meditating) you go deeper into
trance. Not that it would be needed, I prefer falling into light trance
and staying there for a while. I sometimes have an urge to plunge deeper
and deeper (ie meditate in the usual sense of the word - believe me, it
would be easy) but I think it's safer for me to have short entranced
moments and then reap the benefits later on during the day/week.
> I also think that mantras
> >are more "dangerous" than non-mantra methods. Mantras go to the same
> >basket as pranayama also for this reason. "Don't try unless you are
> >absolutely sure"-basket.
> >I haven't tried any mantras myself, but even the thought of making a
> >"hmmmmm"-like sound sounds unappealing to me.
>
> Well, if you never tried mantra recitation, how would you know wether it's
> dangerous to do so and into which basket to throw it?
Intuition, plus something I have read. I read that mantras that have not
been hand-picked by a "guru" of some sort can be dangerous, so it's easy
to draw the conclusion.
Ville Vainio - vvainioATnospamtp.spt.fi http://www.tp.spt.fi/~vvainio
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