To: K-list 
Recieved: 1999/10/15  15:54  
Subject: Re: Re: [K-list] Lost mantras due to ineffectiveness 
From: alingimp
  
On 1999/10/15  15:54, alingimp posted thus to the K-list: 
 
Ville Vainio wrote: 
>>Some people who can't fall into meditative trance otherwise might indeed 
>benefit from a mantra... however, with active K, I find falling into 
>meditative trance is ridiculously easy and fast.
 
Some people, including myself, prefer to recite a mantra during meditation. 
This is simply a matter of personal choice. Mantras are just one of the many 
ways how people meditate. It's like some people prefer apples and some 
prefer bananas. It doesn't really matter by what method you meditate. The 
choice is up to you. It's not about one way being better than the other, 
it's about choosing the method that's the most suitable for yourself at the 
moment.
 
To me it seems that meditation and trance are not the same thing. 
During meditation, the mind is actually supposed to stay alert and focussed, 
where as during a state of trance, the mind is not focussed and is getting 
'lost', so to speak. Now, there is absolutely nothing wrong with either of 
those two states of 
mind in my opinion, but they are not quite the same thing and mentioning 
them in the same breath sounds to me like an oxymoron because one state 
would exclude the other.
 
Ville wrote: 
I also think that mantras 
>are more "dangerous" than non-mantra methods. Mantras go to the same 
>basket as pranayama also for this reason. "Don't try unless you are 
>absolutely sure"-basket. 
>I haven't tried any mantras myself, but even the thought of making a 
>"hmmmmm"-like sound sounds unappealing to me.
 
Well, if you never tried mantra recitation, how would you know wether it's 
dangerous to do so and into which basket to throw it?
 
Karin
 
 
 
 
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