To: K-list
Recieved: 1999/10/14 12:36
Subject: Re: Re: [K-list] Lost mantras due to ineffectiveness
From: Ville Vainio
On 1999/10/14 12:36, Ville Vainio posted thus to the K-list:
Are there some technical problems with the k-list? I haven't really got
as many messages as I used to, and I didn't receive the mails I sent to
the k-list recently...
And on to the actual post:
On Wed, 13 Oct 1999 MHortlingATnospamaol.com wrote:
> I've found that using mantras has a powerful & beneficial effect even
> though I've never had formal inititation with a charged mantra from a
> "real" guru. Mantra practice seems to focus, still and purify the
> mind and I believe it is mainly for this reason that the movement of
> the kundalini becomes more intense.
I would assume mantras work in the same way as pranayama. While pranayama
messes with the respiratory areas of the brain, creating a "chain
reaction" of some sort, mantras mess with the areas of brain associated
with hearing & speaking (and also concepts of sound). At least that would
be the only realistic way to justify "personal" mantras, or some mantras
being better than others. Apart from financial realities, of course.
> Mantra practice is in essence really high-level concentration and
> maybe one could achieve similar results by focussing on some outer
> object or an inner vision (for example, Gopi Krishna's shakti awoke
> due to intense visualisation of a lotus at the top of the head...)
Some people who can't fall into meditative trance otherwise might indeed
benefit from a mantra... however, with active K, I find falling into
meditative trance is ridiculously easy and fast. I also think that mantras
are more "dangerous" than non-mantra methods. Mantras go to the same
basket as pranayama also for this reason. "Don't try unless you are
absolutely sure"-basket.
> What I find really fascinating is how the individual chakras can be
> stimulated by using the appropriate mantras for each one - has anybody
> else had any experience with this ? For me this really shows how
> sound, even in its most subtle form affects matter and some of the
Hmm... to me it only proves that sound can affect mind, which creates the
perception of chakras.
> I personally haven't experienced any negative side-effects due to
> mantra practice (maybe it's because I've suffered from most other
> possible kundalini side effects that using mantras seems to be more of
> like a cure to me) If I'm missing something or anybody has indeed
> encountered dangers & problems, please let me know?
I haven't tried any mantras myself, but even the thought of making a
"hmmmmm"-like sound sounds unappealing to me. It seems somehow unnatural,
and I instinctionally avoid it. If you instinctionally feel like
chanting/thinking of mantras, it's probably your thing. I do chant
"mantras" spontaneously, but they are mostly syllables of words I like to
repeat (At-hata-hat-ahah) and I don't think of them as mind-altering
techniques... just outbursts of energy.
Ville Vainio - vvainioATnospamtp.spt.fi http://www.tp.spt.fi/~vvainio
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