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Recieved: 1999/09/29 08:29
Subject: Re: [K-list] K: Agony and Ecstasy
From: Gcwein1111
On 1999/09/29 08:29, Gcwein1111 posted thus to the K-list:
In a message dated 9/29/99 6:13:55 AM Eastern Daylight Time, sjamesATnospamrica.net
writes:
<<
"Kundalini seeks to purify the soul, and resolve lifetimes of Karma in one
lifetime.
This can be extremely traumatic, if you have not already done considerable
work to
prepare for the experience".
I, for one....had done my "work" previously to my first K experience,
therefore....
bliss and joy are MINE always and in all ways ! >>
My own feeling is that given that we know that many great saints and
mystics of the past had to suffer through hellish k experiences, how can one
assume that a blissful k experience (so far) confirms that the experiencer
has done more work or is in any other way superior to someone who is going
thru a hellish k experience? From all of the
supposedly great gurus who have fallen in recent years we can learn that
apparently exalted spiritual states and achievements are often not all that
they appear to be and often precede falls from grace. The surest indicator
that such a fall is likely to occur is an inflated spiritual ego, which to
me echos in the words " l for one had done my work...therefore bliss and joy
are mine always..." There was a good show
on PBS last nite about the Pope. Although l've never been a fan of the Pope
or of organized religion, there were many deeply spiritual moments in that
show and in this Pope's life and makeup. His belief in the value of suffering
was emphasized over and over again. Anyone who's been going thru k hell can
relate to that. l believe suffering is one of our greatest teachers. lt is
the way we learn compassion, and it makes sense to me that suffering is a
valuable component of the k experience. Tremendous suffering permeates the
lives of great spiritual figures of the past.
lt also makes
sense that alot of preparation is important to a healthier k journey, but
that doesn't mean that it insures it, or that a difficult k experience
necessarily is the result of a lack of preparation. lf we take the above
quote seriously - that k seeks to resolve lifetimes of karma - then we are
forced to consider that unseen and unknowable forces are in play that our
conscious minds cannot know and understand, much less claim to be able to
resolve. Some of them? Maybe. All of them? l don't think so. We don't know
why one person has a k awakening at 18, another at 50 and another not at all
-- why one person's k awakens at one chakra and another person's at another
chakra -- so how can we be so sure as to why people have such different k
experiences? We can't. l've quoted Susan above but l want to
make clear that l don't know you, Susan, and don't mean to make any judgments
about you--l'm only taking issue with the statement you made. l don't mean to
fuel another klist war. But there will continue to be battles over this
subject so long as some insist that their blissful k experience is the
result of superior merit which they've accumulated, thereby implying that
the reverse is true for those having more difficult experiences.
jerry
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