To: K-list
Recieved: 1999/09/15 06:30
Subject: Re: [K-list] Drugs vs. Breath??
From: Ville Vainio
On 1999/09/15 06:30, Ville Vainio posted thus to the K-list:
On Tue, 14 Sep 1999, psyberdude wrote:
> anybody knowing all there is to know about them, including God. So they go
> through life trying all the non-direct paths like meditation, crystals,
> chanting, rebirthing, etc., etc. Not that these fine paths are useless,
> far from it. But these therapies will NOT induce a true psychedelic
> experience.
They do not induce a psychedelic experience, but they are able to induce a
spiritual experience (which is a subclass of psychedelic experiences). And
more importantly, they can create a continuous state of spiritual
awareness, while drugs create a short peak experience, whose after-effects
and insights one enjoys for some time, after which one starts to forget. K
doesn't let you forget, it's always there, forcing you to walk the
spiritual path. I am talking about yoga here, not crystals etc.
> I am now 48 years of age. In that time I have tried many different paths,
> and the only one that ever really worked for me was the psychedelic path.
> It isn't the path for everyone, only for those who are through fooling
> around, and who want to find out just what the hell is really going on.
Or those who just want to have fun and see the colors, maaaaaan. Like, way
trippy :-). I guess it's far easier for at least younger people to take up
drugs, which happen to be at least marginally cool, rather than taking up
something as uncool and lame as yoga, which is usually seen as a pastime
of middle-aged women, at least in pHinland. And, drugs have a social
component too.
> Psilocybin mushrooms and DMT (dimethyltriptamine) are the best molecular
> agents for accessing alternate realities teeming with life, that is waiting
> to communicate with you. Even Divinity itself can be accessed with the
Experience of divinity has nothing to do with life of alternate realities.
I have understood that mushrooms are more prone to cause this short of
hallucinatory experience (second bardo hallucinations, as Leary's version
of Tibetan book the dead would have it).
> triptamines. The other psychedelics like LSD are helpful, but they are
> mainly for therapeutic self-analysis. They do not allow one to enter into
> the dimensional domains that are inhabited by many different forms of life.
Have you tried HBWR seeds? It's not self-analysis at all, but neither is
it alien entities or whatever. I couldn't care less about encountering any
"beings", probably because I never have.
> Only the triptamine psychedelics are capable of producing that type of
> encounter.
Quite sweeping generalization.
> By the way. using psychedelics without having a good supply of kundalini
> energy will not enable one to commune with the Divine. The trip might prove
> interesting, but it won't be THE TRIP.
I had a Samadhi experience on my first trip, with HBWR. My k was not at
all active at the time. In fact I knew nothing of spirituality.
> Kundalini and psychedelics work extremely well together. They are a
> perfect match.
Personally, I wouldn't dare to try the combination. I see that k creates a
non-standard state of brain chemistry, and I won't be the one playing with
it (as was the case with Jon, I think). Nice to hear of someone who has
had the guts, though. Me, I see meditating with my k active screws me up
enough already, so I'll just settle with that :-).
Ville Vainio - vvainioATnospamtp.spt.fi http://www.tp.spt.fi/~vvainio
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