To: K-list
Recieved: 1999/09/09 12:31
Subject: Re: [K-list] Sex or Celibacy
From: Shy Person
On 1999/09/09 12:31, Shy Person posted thus to the K-list:
>Angelique wrote:
> > And then what? Does one proceed to higher evolution where......
> (Chris)=> >the NEED for external sexual gratification with another
>diminishes
>> with
>> >'enlightenment' ...
>Angelique= " that seems to be true."
Maureen:
> What I see you both saying and what I have experienced with celibacy
>is that the NEED lessens or there is a conscious choice to redirect it
>towards the higher centers. As Chris worded it,, A communion of
>consciousness. A "living in the crown", which is the outcome once the
>life is directed there.
(snip)
From experiencing years of
>3rd eye flutterings and humming and delights in the crown, I don't think
>so. Spirit ciculates though all the centers but because the lower
>centers have been changed into a finer form,something,,,,(I don't know
>how else to word it)they are not overwhelmed or highly activated
>anymore. And because the higher centers become accustomed to the Spirit
>vibration they can stay in that vibration longer and longer.
> I know what I mean just not sure the wording is coming across.
Jill: I understand your meaning here, Maureen, I have been trying to
express this myself, how this change is experienced. Usually the
discussion of celibacy on the list revolves around concious celibacy and
whether or it is a form of repression or a useful spiritual tool. My own
experience, as I've told before, was of a surprise, involuntary and drastic
reduction of sexual energy with the onset of k activity. Preceding the
onset there were about 3 months of moderate decrease in sexual energy or
desire, which I intuited was somehow related to the increase of meditation
practices I had undertaken. The onset brought the k energy through the
crown on the second day, and following that time there was, for about 2
years, almost no sexual energy and in fact, a sort of aversion to the idea
of sex. I have to stress that this came as a complete surprise and into a
life of happy and healthy relation to sex. It did not come out of any
negative beliefs or attitudes held by me about sex. The aversion aspect
faded after the initial couple years of really drastic k activity. There
was still a sense that the energy which could be channeled into sexual
centers was "needed" for the rapid ongoing k activity, and having sex
resulted in a sort of bombed-out feeling: headaches, exhaustion,
disorientation, in general what would be characterized ayurvedically as
severe vata disturbance.
What remains, after years of steady k, is that sense you describe, of
reduction in activity in lower centers, and the energy wanting to be in the
higher centers, keeping things spinning blissfully out the crown.
I have not yet, despite much ongoing thought and reading on this subject,
been able to figure out whether concious control should enter into my
experience, in the interest of accelerated spiritual growth. I tend to
think not. I have read Gandhi and many other views, though, and have yet to
get a clear idea of what is best for my situation, being inclined to simply
follow the leader, K being the leader these 7 years.
Jill
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