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Recieved: 1999/09/07 03:59
Subject: Re: [K-list] A Twist on Entities
From: A poster

On 1999/09/07 03:59, Ville Vainio posted thus to the K-list:

On Thu, 2 Sep 1999 CKRESSATnospamaol.com wrote:

> Bob Maurer wrote:
> >The love and pursuit of enhanced consciousness will give rise to bliss and
> understanding without gods or demons or attachment to ignoble motivation.<
> Is this a religious credo you ascribe to or are you speaking from personal
> experience? i.e., do you experience nothing but bliss and pure
> understanding? If so, hats off to you! I consider my own entity experiences
> more on the level of lint -- and my accounts of them as harmless blather
> about non-monumental facets of my personal journey -- rather than being

> A Poster wrote:
> >these experiences seem to be little more than "tripping" on meditation...
> which is not (IMHO) compatible with more evolved religious ideas.<

> >One really can't expect everyone to attain any kind of realization during
> the initial period...<
> Spiritual development isn't hierarchal; you can attain very "high" levels of
> realization and have so-called lower level experiences AFTERWARDS as well.
> This has been my experience. You don't just get to the finish line, collect

It's my experience too. BUT, even though K feels "stronger" initially,
it's also more confusing, scary, etc., which works against realization.
And I think it's wrong against those who are being tormented on the early
stages to push forward a demand for some sort of realization. If one gets
it right in the beginning, good, if one doesn't, no harm done.

> If you never encounter a spirit/deity/demon and are glad of it, swell. It's
> no big deal. I've never come face to face with a great white shark or a
> black hole in space and I don't particularly want to. But because someone
> else has, does this mean I'm a finer person or more evolved than they are?
> Weird logic to me...

The point was not that there would be something wrong with people who see
these visions. I was thinking of clinging to the visions and "tripping".
It seems you agree with me, or so I read from the text found in the top of
this message (reference to "lint"). I guess I'm a bit biased towards Zen.

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