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Recieved: 1999/09/02 12:58
Subject: [K-list] Re: Kundalini experience,
From: Mhortling
On 1999/09/02 12:58, Mhortling posted thus to the K-list:
Greeting all k-persons!
This is a note I wrote to a list member as a result of reading his excellent
homepage. Maybe it's of some interest to others as well.
"I decided to send you this short commentary based on my experiences with the
great Mother-Energy. Like yourself, my initial mystical experience and
kundalini-arousal came about through experimentation with a psycho-active
substance (cannabis in my case) over 20 years ago. I then had a second
kundalini rising a few years later which left me psychologically and
physically shattered for a number of years, not very much unlike Gopi
Krishna. Finally the Energy became permanently active a few years ago after
intensive hatha-yoga practice and I am now living in something of an
intermediate state, with a lot of unpleasantness and fluctuation still going
on whithin although the foundation of the consciousness and my sense of
identity is by now becoming more and more firmly rooted in the experience of
higher (and truer) consciousness.
Anyway, as for the information on your site, I find it agrees with my own
experience to quite a large degree. Our perception seems to differ in the
importance accorded to the concept of the chakras however. In my experience
the chakras seem to constitute the basic building blocks of our consciousness
or, put in a different way, the primal energy or shakti takes shape as
different frequencies of consciousness, which then manifests first as psychic
centers or focal points and then becomes tangible "forms", i.e emotions,
thoughts and finally the physical body. The samadhi experience then, to me
seems to be the energy withdrawing from the shapes it created and
experiencing itself in the original pure form. I believe I have had some
experience of these centers and their location whithin the body since one of
the major stumbling blocks on my journey have been chakras that were jammed
shut after the second kundalini-experience
( too much power, too soon probably - but then again, as you so aptly wrote:
there is no such thing as free will or choice....-not to mention bad luck or
faulty genetics). In fact it has taken me years of patient (and often furious
and impatient) effort to slowly open the psychic centers again and I'm still
struggling with it today.
Accordingly the physical experience of the chakras to me is very tangible
(most people have had the experience of the lower chakras charging and and
discharching during orgasm - real tantra takes that idea somewhat higher (pun
intended..). Of course you are quite right in saying that the chakras, just
as all other organs of the body are monitored and experienced by the brain as
well. Makes one ponder now,doesn't it, where does the brain stop and the "I"
come into play?
Secondly, there does seem to be a measurable agent moving along the spine and
there's an Austrian called Gerhart Eggertsberger whose done considerable and
scientific research on this (using bio-feedback on meditating tai-chi masters
hooked up to measuring equipment etc.)
As for people achieving samadhi without kundalini, the branch of yoga called
jnana-yoga purports to lead the practitioner to samadhi by mental
deliberation and inquiry alone. (constant questioning "who am I", "what is
truth" etc)
Those who proclaim to have achieved realisation by this means include people
like Ramesh Balsekar, who has written very interestingly and with great
insight on the ultimate nature of reality etc. It is my (very humble)
opinion however that the realisation and experience achieved through the
active shakti is a LOT more interesting and blissful - but the price at times
seems to be enourmously high too. In India the science of kundalini-yoga is
called Mahayoga or the Great Yoga granting both freedom and bliss. (It is
true that they usually forget to mention the terror and the difficulties
involved...)
I'm in the procees of writing a detailed account of my long and strenous
journey with the Motherforce, if you're interested send me an e-Mail and
I'll mail it back to you as soon as it's ready -
Otherwise I'm very interested in just hearing of your experiences in detail
and exchanching views- everybody seems to have their own individual and
subjective journeys even if the final result probably is quite similar..."
Multiple blessings
Michael MHortlingATnospamaol.com
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