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Recieved: 1999/09/01 15:57
Subject: Re: [K-list] Blockages, Anger
From: alingimp
On 1999/09/01 15:57, alingimp posted thus to the K-list:
Karin wrote:
>>Anger can be a blinding force and one could find oneself doing or saying
things
>>that can be hurtful to others which one wouldn't have done or said
>>otherwise. Isn't acting out on anger losing control over oneself?
Angelique wrote:
> Can you be angry without losing control? Try looking for the caring in
>it. It is passionate. Everything has it's duality, even anger. Sometimes I
>get angry and when I look into it, it is just Goddess getting me to pay
>attention to what I love, and when I understand that I can shape the anger
>into something beneficial
Yes, I can be angry without losing control, I try not to let the anger get
hold on me. I think that most of the time when someone gets angry, it's just
because their ego is hurt. We get angry when we can't get the candy we want
or when someone is being unfriendly towards us or when the computer breaks
down etc. Sure, there can be care in it, too. I remember an episode when my
parents came to visit from Europe 3 years ago and at the office where
visitors of Canada can claim the GST (General Sales Tax) back, the girl
behind the counter gave my dad a hard time and was being rude and
disrespectful to him, as well as taking advantage of the fact that english
isn't his first language. I have to admit that I lost it there and lashed
out at her in full force, even had her call the manager and let her know too
what I think of their service (of course my dad did get his GST back in the
end) .
Karin wrote:
>> I mean, if
>>I could be above being angry and don't let myself down to the same level
in
>>an instance of provocation, I would win the encounter, simply because I
can
>>stay in control.
Angelique wrote:
> Well, if you were depressed into catalepsy, then you would always win,
>by those standards, coz you wouldn't care enough about anything to get
>angry. You would not be affecting the world enough for anyone to get angry
>at you.
Not getting provoked easily isn't the same as getting depressed into
catalepsy to me, I just think we should look at things within their
proportions. As a store owner, people are rude and unfriendly to me on a
daily basis. Where would I be if I would let them bother me? I look at it
this way: If they are having a bad day, or generally have a bad attitude, it
should be their problem and not mine.
Angelique wrote:
> Christ and the temple traders, enlightened folks still carry the full
>compliment of emotions, they just get mad about different stuff, and handle
>it differently. I think it was Yogi Muktananda who was notorious for having
>a sharp tongue and plentiful use of the Master's cane on his students.
>Gandhi organized his anger at the British exploitation of India, into a
>massive sit down strike of the entire country... he pissed off the British
>Empire real good!
That's anger on a different level, removed from any pettishness. The
question is: How to distinguish between righteous anger and petty anger,
when it comes to ourselves? I dare say, most of the times when someone gets
angry, it is the pettish kind, just a lot of hot air blowing.
>
Angeliqe wrote:
Look at great leaders, and you will find most often,
>that their original motivation to get them up off their butts, was anger.
>> Martin Luther King, Nelson Mandela, .. labor unions, the human rights
>movement, the Vietnam protesters.. Righteous anger, that sometimes goes
>beyond this lifetime..
Isn't the ultimate motivation of these people compassion in the end? I mean,
it's easy to be angry and in your anger to be (self)destructive but in the
end I believe it has to be transformed to be useful, as people like Martin
Luther King whom you mentioned, prove. He was way above the rest of
thousands of angry protestors because I believe, his ultimate motivation was
love and not anger. Back in France in 1789, anger was the main motivation
too and look where it got them in the end. To cite Danton: " The revolution
is eating it's own children". The element of love or compassion went missing
altogether.
Love,
Karin
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