To: K-list 
Recieved: 1999/08/26  09:39  
Subject: Re: [[K-list] web-site referral/comments] 
From: Bob Maurer
  
On 1999/08/26  09:39, Bob Maurer posted thus to the K-list: 
"MadhyaNandi MadhyaNandi" <madhyanandiATnospamhotmail.com> wrote: 
Friends;
 
Bob drew members attention to a website.  I took a rather quick look, and  
I'll use my soap box time to explain.
 
"CONSCIOUSNESS IS ORIGINALLY CLEAR & STILL, BUT MEN DO NOT ORDINARILY  
REALIZE THIS AND RECOGNIZE THOUGHT TO BE THEIR CONSCIOUSNESS, AND BY THIS  
MISTAKEN IMPRESSION THEY BECOME NEEDLESSLY CONFUSED & AGITATED BY THOUGHT." 
Jan Cox
 
This is the quote that introduces viewers to the site.
 
A) There is NO, absolutely NO 'original consciousness.'  There is no  
'original' anything.  We experience what we experience.  How we interpret  
that experience, no matter the variety thereof, will always be a SUBJECTIVE  
  
 
 Hi,
 
 Thanks for the comments.  I think though, that there is 
 a difference between the word "originally" as used in 
 the passage you quoted above: "Consciousness is originally 
 clear and still..." and your term "'original consciousness'" 
 whatever that may be.  I believe he was refering to 
 consciousness in a person, such as a child, not some abstract 
 concept, or some universal level.  Understand, I am not, nor do I         
wish to defend Jan Cox.  But what he said clearly has nothing 
 to do with you comment on "'original consciousness'".
 
 I am curious as to why you believe that "there is no 'original' 
 anything."  I mean there was an original bicycle, and an 
 original atomic detonation, there are original manuscripts, etc. 
 Perhaps you refer to the secondary definition of "original" 
 which means nonderivative?  Clearly this is not the way 
 he is using the term "orginally", this is evident from the  
 context of the sentence.
 
 Your juxtaposition of  "original" and "subjective" 
 is baffling.  Did you perhaps mean objective instead of original? 
 Because the qualities of originality and subjectivity are 
 in no meaningful way mutually exclusive, are they?
 
 I enjoyed most of what you had to say.
 
 Thank you for your opinions.  You clearly put a lot 
 of energy into your response.
 
 If anyone else has a comment on Cox's website or Carlos Dwa's 
 I would be most interested. 
 Once again thank you for any time or energy spent in 
 sharing your impressions with me.  I value them.
 
  
 http://www.jancox.com/index.htm
 
 http://www3.ns.sympatico.ca/umbada/dwa2.htm
 
 Just another, 
 Bob
 
 
 
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