To: K-list
Recieved: 1999/07/07 03:13
Subject: Re: [K-list] Why pray ?
From: gopalan n.s.
On 1999/07/07 03:13, gopalan n.s. posted thus to the K-list:
Your response Date: Tue, 06 Jul 1999 05:27:49 PDT
Hi Herma,
>>Prayer too is an experience. Prayer gets intensified with the fire of
>>fear of >>uncertainity. All prayers basically is to get better off or not
>>lose what is owned. If >>.some people claim that they do not fall under
>>either category, then why pray ? >>Our rejection of our own divinity is a
>>tremendous barrier to overcome. Prayer is a >>prayer. There is nothing
>>like praying for a good cause or not a good cause or for a >>selfish end
>>or otherwise. The idea I am conveying is that Prayer is also an
>> >>experience. The Truth/God is beyond experience. You can't
>>reach/realise >>Truth/God by prayer.
>>I don't do it not because I don't like it. I am yet find a reason why I
need to do it.
>About prayer: I am (sometimes) a very practical type. I try to read what
>you are saying, but I do >have some questions about this:
>-why is it so important for you to say and say again that praying is
>unnecessary?
The topic "Prayer" is very sensitive and treated as very personal. Added to
this our minds (my mind too) gets conditioned by our family/society
culture/Religion to accept the thoughts as they are/as being in practice for
generations. The conditioning of my mind was too strong.. even now I often
visit place of worship, for one reason or the other, I repeat in my mind, to
get out of my conditioning, "AHAM BRAHMASMI", my mantra in my practice of
Kundalini Yoga/Meditation.
For me I always felt "Prayer" was a limitation for me to overcome in the
path towards self realisation. Now this urge has reduced as I find "Prayer"
no more a limitation.
>I often think about that, especially when I want to be more spiritual than
>I am. That doesn't mean that I don't agree with what you say, but again:
>why is it so >important for you? If you don't need to pray, then that is
>your truth. Why try to convince others?
I only express my way of thinking. I am not convincing any one... but only
communicating. It may happen that I am pursuing the same path few others on
K-list some .. trying to identify which one.
>I hope you don't mind, but I like to tell one of my own prayer-stories.
Not at all.
>I'm a little bit scary, because I didn't tell this to many people before:
>my Kundalini >awakend just by prayer.
I too have visited Shiridi Saibaba Shrine as well as Puttaparthi Saibaba(who
is still alive). Which one you are talking about ?
Thank you for sharing your K-experience with Sai Baba.
Highly learned souls. I have my own regards for them too.
>So when you say: prayer is not necessary, then that is true for you. Maybe
>you are >constantly at that level.
Yes it is only true for me. I am striving very hard to be constantly at
that level.
>Sometimes I read about people who want to raise or awaken their K. by all
>kind of >difficult exercise or by electrical stimulation,and then I
>think:"it's just so easy: you >only have to pray!"
>But that's my experience and experience is only experience and not the
>ultimate >truth, isn't it?
Yes.
<Could it be possible that there are many ways and many paths and that we
just >choose the path that is most suitable for us?
Yes.
With love,
Gopal
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