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Recieved: 1999/05/30 14:53
Subject: [K-list] Kundalini/Chakras
From: Amanda Erhart
On 1999/05/30 14:53, Amanda Erhart posted thus to the K-list:
Dear Hilary,
Thanks a lot for sharing
the interesting quotes with us. :)
Wow, must have taken some time to type up. :)
Personally, this list has turned out to be very
educational, learning something new about K
every day. :)
I have a few comments to the quotes, see below:
On Sun, 30 May 1999 17:35:29 Druout wrote:
>In a chapter called "Are The Chakras Real" by Ken Wilber in the wonderful
>book *Kundalini Evolution and Enlightenment* ed. John White, is the following
>quote: "Liberation, in short, is not the actual untying of these
>knots, but the silent admission that they are already untied. Herein lies
>the key to the paradox of the chakras: They are ultimately dissolved in the
>realization that thay need not be dissolved."
:) I like the idea, that the proces leading to
realization is the realization itself.
Isn't this in many ways similar to reaching non-
duality ?
The goal has been reached when non duality has been
realized, which in many ways have been there from
the start, only needed to be acknowledged ? :)
*A Guide to
>Shaktipat* by Swami Shivom Tirth. In a question and answer section I found
>the following:
>
>"Question: Does the piercing of the six chakras occur in sequence, or can
>they be pierced in any order? ...
>
>"Answer: All chakras are pierced simultaneously to various degrees. Work on
>some chakras could be so slow that one may not experience anything. Some
>other chakra may be pierced through more intensely, and the Kriyas related to
>that chakra would be equally intense. Therefore, the aspirant could
>misunderstand that even when a particular chakra is not pierced, another
>chakra which would seem to be next on the ascending >order is already pierced.
Thanks for that input, it's very interesting. :)
After reading
Susanne's post yesterday I tried to figure out
whether my personal experience with the chakras
had exact similarities to the classical piercing
sequence mentioned and discovered
I couldn't tell that any piercing
had actually taken place, except for occasional
pain in the heart chakra after the experience in which
I assume it was "pierced" in the first place.
Because in that moment, it felt
more like K hitting the bottom of the brain case
from below
and then blossming into the brain rather than
a piercing sensation in the heart.
I was also wondering how it is possible to feel K
in each and every chakra if theyr're not as your
quote says "pierced to some degree".
I do not regard myself as having attained full
understading of non duality by a long degree, but
I do have felt K burn in the crown chakra.
>"...Sleeping Shakti can be compared to the fire smothering under ashes. The
>Muladhar is the fire pot, and the flames of the fire would be above the fire
>pot. The flames would blaze and reach new heights from time to time. In the
>same way Shakti can be experienced flowing up and down. If it goes up and
>one experiences a heavy head, one-pointed mind and bliss, it does not mean
>that the lower chakras were not pierced and that the Shakti reached the top
>without going through the lower chakras. The truth is that the lower chakras
>were definitely pierced to some extent."
>
>Just some food for thought. I suspect the energy follows it's own path in
>individual bodies--without necessarily following the "rules".
Yup, those are my thoughts exactly.
K seems to be as individual as we are. :)
Nevertheless, hearing about other ppls experience
and view is always interesting.
Thanks again for sharing. :)
Best regards,
Amanda.
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