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Recieved: 1999/05/27 08:36
Subject: Re: [K-list] PRANAYAMA
From: Gcwein1111
On 1999/05/27 08:36, Gcwein1111 posted thus to the K-list:
In a message dated 5/26/99 2:01:25 PM Eastern Standard Time,
mumblecatATnospamangelfire.com writes:
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>I had an awakening of k
>at ajna
HI AMANDA I think Dharma answered this question.
Which one of the charas does this correspond to ?
Sorry, I'm still unfamiliar with the sanskrit terms.
>7 yrs ago from doing vipassana meditation. I was meditating on my own
>at the time, and after this opening I basically continued on my own, simply
>observing powerful energy flows, without any other form of breathing
>techniques.
Jerry, at this time, did you feel changes in the K
coming through ?
I'm not sure what you mean by changes coming thru.
>After 6 mos I went to a sufi pir who gave me pranayama to do
>--after 6 wks of that very bad headaches began which still plague me to
this
>day. After the sufi pir I also went to a powerful swami who used shaktipat
>and I developed further physical problems from which I am also still
>suffering.
Yes, Jerry, there probably are many more sides to this
story that I do not see, but from what you have told
previously on the list, I find the lack of guidance
from your swami appalling. Right when I
joined the list, I can't tell you how much your story
shocked and saddened me. I hope you can find your way
out of the troubles soon.
YES, there is a little more to it than I've related, not wannting to
go into detail bout it.The break I had with my swami was very traumatic and
painful, but knowing and still loving him as I do, I feel he did what he felt
was in my best interest. I think he felt I was at a point where no one could
help me but me. I do wish he would have handled it differently, but it is
very hard to always know why gurus do what they do. The good news is that
I feel like I'm doing alot better. I informed the list about a powerful dream
I had last month when I was visited by a swami and felt afterward as if I'd
received shaktipat. Well, I've been doing much better ever since then. It
feels like things are moving more than they have for 6 yrs, so I am
cautiously optiimistic. Who knows? I may look back on all that's happened at
some point and have a much differeent perspective about everything that
happened with my teachers and suffering,etc.
> I have very briefly related my
>experience to raise two questions: based on the experience I and others
have
>had in the west, it has often been found that using pranayama and other
>breathing techniques can be harmful to one who already has activated k;
Harsha, do you have any experiences with what is the
best to do once K is awakened ?
> This
>has been difficult for me for several reasons, one of which is that prior
to
>my awakening I had travelled India widely, was familiar with the teachings
of
>the Indian masters, and was convinced based on what I had read that once k
>was awake I definitely needed a master to guide me through it.
Yup, that's what I read too and realizing I was
without any ordinary teacher, having awakened K on
my own, I was scared to the hell bardo and back when
reading that being without a teacher would be
equal to death.
I can only tell of personal experience but that was
2 months ago and I'm still here, doing better with K
than 2 months ago, having less pains and less stress
related visions, as well as having more K coming through.
>Yet my
>experience was the opposite, as far as I can tell. So far, at least, I have
>done much better on my own, following my own intuition, and I know others
who
>have had the same experience.
I would have to add my voice to Dharma and Jerry here.
I trained a very extroverted and undiluted
form of Kung Fu a few years back and stopped because I
knew it would lead to unknown effects and that the
teacher did not have the comunication skills to
explain the changes in a way which they could be
understood.
4 years later my K became active for real after
having been present all throughout life
by doing reenactments of
historical battles and studying modern history.
Not the usual way of awakening the K and not a way in
which the further path after K is self evident.
AMANDA , I'm not sure what you mean --something about reenactments of
historical battles triggering k awakening?
>We live in an unprecedented time, when
>teachings that were secret for centuries have been transported across time
>and cultures to the modernized western way of life. I've wondered how much
>this has had to do with the confusion I've felt about trying to reconcile
my
>experience with what I've always read about in eastern texts.
This is very interesting. Do you have any more thoughts
about that Jerry ?
Don't know if I really have much insight into this. I think most traditions
in India emphasized much more preparation for k awakening than is emphasized
in the modern west where we always want eveything right now, and I think
problems with k are much less frequent and severe when an aspirant has first
formed a solid relshp with a true master and has become steeped in devotion
as well as having been given other preparation. I think these elements are
largely missing in the west today. So many of us are having k experiences on
our own with little preparation of body or mind, then we go to some teacher
after we have the problems--by then it seems the teachers, even the really
good ones, are less likely to be able to help and guide us--it may be too
late. That's just what I believe.
As many others have pointed out on this list; there
seems to have been an increase in K awakenings in the
West in the last 25 years or so. Could it be that once
the information becomes available, more ppl will
feel compelled to try and awaken K ?
I hope not. I think people , with rare exceptions, should focus more on the
values that are embodied in the great traditions: love, compassion, honesty,
selflessness, devotion and self inquiry
Are spontaneous K awakenings common in the East ? I don't know how common
they are. Because of my physical probs caused by k I haven't been back to
India for over 7 yrs, and alot can change in that time, as it seems to be
changing so quickly here. I believe they have always been common, but dont
know if it's happening as often there as it seems to be here. love
jerry
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