1998/09/28 10:23
kundalini-l-d Digest V98 #689
kundalini-l-d Digest Volume 98 : Issue 689
Today's Topics:
Re: Re: The out-of-body deal. [ Am <heidiATnospamadan.kingston.net> ]
seeing [ "Paul" <paulwestATnospamstationone.demon.c ]
Re: Surrender key to empowerment [ "A Smith" <optimystATnospamivillage.com> ]
Re: Surrender key to empowerment [ "A Smith" <optimystATnospamivillage.com> ]
Re: Related Lists and music [ "Mel August" <bodacia31ATnospamhotmail.com ]
Re: Sinus Headaches [ "Evelyn Niedbalec" <log_me_inATnospamhotma ]
Re: Re: The out-of-body deal. [ "Evelyn Niedbalec" <log_me_inATnospamhotma ]
Re: Re: Re: The out-of-body deal. [ YahseyesATnospamaol.com ]
Re: Hi Everyone [ Mystress Angelique Serpent <serpent ]
Re: seeing [ YahseyesATnospamaol.com ]
Birth Gems [ YahseyesATnospamaol.com ]
unsubscribe [ "ngong yeng hong vivien" <Ngong=Yen ]
Re: Sinus Headaches [ Anurag Goel <anuragATnospamee.iisc.ernet.i ]
Re: Sinus Headaches [ "guy johnson" <tantriciskATnospamhotmail.c ]
Re: Energy Fluctuations [ "RevDL.K.RM" <htminATnospamptdprolog.net> ]
Duties of the Chela. [ "Lobster" <lobsterATnospamdial.pipex.com> ]
Re: Sinus Headaches [ "Lobster" <lobsterATnospamdial.pipex.com> ]
Re: Snakedreams [ Prof D Chatterjee <kunurikaATnospamganga.i ]
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1998 21:48:37 -0400
From: Am <heidiATnospamadan.kingston.net>
To: "Evelyn Niedbalec" <log_me_inATnospamhotmail.com>
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Re: The out-of-body deal.
Message-Id: <199809280148.VAA29011ATnospamadan.kingston.net>
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>
>You may have noticed that when OOB, one seems to think and see
>differently in that one may not identify a common object like a stapler
>when OOB until after one has returned to body. It seems that unless we
>really want to know what the object is, the information does not come to
>us. While in the physical, the information is automatically provided to
>us, whether we want it or not, via the physical eyes and brain. So the
>physical eyes seem to keep us grounded in the physical. That's my take
>on it anyway.
Have you ever experienced seeing your surroundings with your eyes closed?
Not that it is as clear as seeing with your physical eyes but more shadey
and blurry. But one can see everything in the room. The really weird thing
is when you open your eyes and everything you just "saw" is there but not in
the exact location but sometimes almost a foot or several feet out of place.
Love discovering new things. I've never forced it, I just let it happen and
perhaps this is why I suffer no discomfort or pain with all these new
phenomena. In R. Munroe's case he wrote about vibes which were so strong
that they felt like the power of a Mack Truck. I'm not too sure I'd want to
get any further, that might scare the proverbial **** right out of me. :)
Happy "travels",
Am
Am
Date: 28 Sep 98 03:19:54 +0000
From: "Paul" <paulwestATnospamstationone.demon.co.uk>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: seeing
Message-Id: <OUT-360F005A.MD-1.0.paulwestATnospamstationone.demon.co.uk>
Hi.
I was wondering, a long long time ago was there a state of mind of the
humans of the earth that they couldn't see certain things? What I mean
is, an inability for their mind to pick something out due to the fact
that they had no prior comprehension of it?
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Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1998 19:25:36 -0700
From: "A Smith" <optimystATnospamivillage.com>
To: "Kundalini - L" <kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com>, nancyATnospamwtp.net,
"Lobster" <lobsterATnospamdial.pipex.com>
Subject: Re: Surrender key to empowerment
Message-ID: <EHGDECOAEBANBAAAATnospamivillage.com>
I used to have the illusion of control... Causing myself panic attacks. Now I live under the faith that I am a mere mortal who is doing my very best and with out malice. I thank God for every happy thought and miracle. My faith was discovered on a rainy night standing in my back yard with my dog and a cup of coffee while crying to God and myself. A release cry with no need just honest sharing of my fears, dreams, and the fact that I realized I could never have made it this far with out SOMEONE watching my back! Once I talked outloud and showed myself that I deserved the love and felt so much love for him, I stopped trying to fix everyone and myself and left most of my life up to him. He draws the map and I take the babysteps. He also has the ability to let me know if I listen when I am headed the wrong direction, if I dont listen he shouts! The proverbial whack up the side of the head to let me know I was not paying attention, and boy you should see the red hair fly!!
!
!! Surrender, admittance, faith, throwing it out to the universe and trusting your answer to your request will be what is best for you. Free will leaves you the choice, if it is to happen it will happen, not easily but little things will be there to assist you. I choose each morning to live, I throw my request for peace and safety each night to the universe and so far, my kids are at peace and safe! Thanks to the right path, faith, or surrender. I have great kids for a single mother I am so lucky. Not easy, but sooo lucky!
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On Sun, 27 Sep 1998 20:01:35 Lobster wrote:
>Hi Nancy
>
>>I think there's a difference between surrendering and becoming
>attached to the
>>result of no results. One means releasing control. The other is
>changing control.
>
>
>True enough. There are degrees of surrender. What you are talking
>about is the desire to be in control (which gives a false sense of
>security - which you mention - and I snipped)
>What you say is important and I think the word we might both agree
>on is acceptance. Accepting who we are, what we are - not trying to
>model ourself on some . . . model.
>
>Surrender also has a mystical connatation; here we surrender our
>life, destiny, behaviour and inclinations. Initially this is very
>much a change of control - in a sense it is a practice and false,
>however it may move into a situation where we create our own being
>or find that what we tried so hard to become is what we always were
>. . .
>
><snip about diets an' stuff>
>
>
>>So that's the subtle difference I'm talking about, Lobster. There's
>refocusing
>>control to controlling our non-control...and there's surrendering.
>Maybe I'm
>>deluding myself, but I truly believe that I am learning to
>surrender.
>
>
>Perhaps a bit of both. We all have a tendency to delusion (I think I
>am a cructacean). Accepting oneself, letting go creates is a space
>and a way towards surrender (which is, in mystical terms, an active
>form of self control - initially).
>
>Be Well
>Lobster
>
>
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Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1998 19:34:32 -0700
From: "A Smith" <optimystATnospamivillage.com>
To: "Lobster" <lobsterATnospamdial.pipex.com>, "kundalini-1" <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>,
nancyATnospamwtp.net
Subject: Re: Surrender key to empowerment
Message-ID: <MFKHBPALAJANBAAAATnospamivillage.com>
My theory on weight loss and control is that if you lose the baggage weight on the inside and let go of and deal with anger, scar tissue, and repetative patterns that do not benefit you, you feel lighter and move more in turn increasing your happiness metabolism, and exercising your soul and body. I lost 40 pound this way and was so much happier inside that the outside is not what people comment on as much as the fact that my eyes look different. I let go of others control a long time ago, it was my illusion of what I should be and how I would be percieved that weighed me down. I had real dreams and fears and my friends still love me!!! Now we both have better lives and less baggage to climb over to get to each others souls!
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On Sun, 27 Sep 1998 08:38:57 nancy wrote:
>Lobster wrote:
>
>> so we strive for the
>> unattainable and then . . .
>> we get very attached to the result of having no results . . .
>
>I think there's a difference between surrendering and becoming attached to the
>result of no results. One means releasing control. The other is changing control.
>
>Reminds me of losing weight. People who go on diets, change their emphasize of
>food from over-indulgence to deprival. Still, the focus remains on food. When
>I was a teen, I used to starve myself so I could obtain some outrageously low
>"model" weight. I thought that my life would be miraculously transformed. I am
>5'8" and at that time, I weighed 110. I had on my tightest jeans and was
>riding my bike. I remember the thought through my head..."So what?" Nothing
>had changed. Except I was always very hungry.
>
>I quit dieting years ago and have maintained a "normal" weight. (Though
>couldn't say for sure how much I weigh since I haven't been on a scale in
>quite a while.) In January, I decided that I wanted to shape up. I
>bolstered my exercise program, and I changed my diet to support my added
>effort. I just eat more protein and less starchy stuff these days. I buy
>wonderful fresh fruits and vegetables. I drink lots of water.
>
>
>I also rarely crave sweets, pop or junk food anymore. As my body has become
>more aware of what I'm ingesting, it's very unsatisfied with crap. I had a
>McDonald's cheeseburger and fries a couple of weeks ago. It grossed me out.
>Blech. Felt like my stomach was coated in grease. I can handle small
>quantities, though if I do want to eat more junky food. About a month ago, I
>wrote the list that after drinking four beers, I fainted the next day and
>became very ill. So for now I've cut out alcohol, too. No big thing. I will
>probably drink again in my life, but I have no need to do it on a regular
>basis.
>
>So that's the subtle difference I'm talking about, Lobster. There's refocusing
>control to controlling our non-control...and there's surrendering. Maybe I'm
>deluding myself, but I truly believe that I am learning to surrender.
>
>Nancy
>
>
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Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1998 20:00:54 PDT
From: "Mel August" <bodacia31ATnospamhotmail.com>
To: foehammer2ATnospamhotmail.com, kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com, YahseyesATnospamaol.com
Subject: Re: Related Lists and music
Message-ID: <19980928030054.24279.qmailATnospamhotmail.com>
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I would very highly
>recommend her greatest hits cd, "Paint the Sky with Stars". Hope this
helps.
>I am sure you will get other messages from the list. I copied this to
all to
>see if I have any Enya groupies like myself out there.
>
>
Yea...
I picked that one up on Friday during my wanderings before the great
Michigan Quake of '98...don't think there was a connection though! LOL
Blessings...
Bodacia
"Imagination is more important than knowledge" Einstein
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Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1998 21:42:08 PDT
From: "Evelyn Niedbalec" <log_me_inATnospamhotmail.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Sinus Headaches
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>
>Evelyn Niedbalec wrote:
>
>> Hmm, I wonder how you know these sinus headaches are from sinus and
not
>> chakra blockages. Do the occur only in the summer?
>
>I don't know what the cause is, but I do know that they are pressured
>filled, behind my eyes and are relieved when I take sinus medicine.
Hmm, I wonder if the sinus meds have pain killers in em.
They
>used to happen much more frequently. Now once in a while and don't seem
to
>be related to seasons.
Hmm, I was under the impression that sinus headaches were related to
allergies, so they should follow increased allergy activity, which
usually follows the seasons.
>
>> I guess the blockage is at the spiritual level and the physical pain
was
>> just a side effect, and therefore treatable by physical means.
>
>So what is the spiritual blockage? That's what I'm wondering. I don't
mind
>treating the headache as I work on spirit. But I really am not sure
what
>the block is related to.
>
>Nancy
>
That's the tough question alright. I never really knew what my
blockages were exactly. I simply got various pains that slowly traveled
up my body as the k seemed to make it's progress. The last pains I got
were on the top of my head. Just before that was between the eyes,
which was a little after and concurrent with throat pain, etc. The pain
does feel like pressure when it is in the head area too. I have made
numerous and continuous changes in my outlook on life, but I don't think
any one thing specifically made any specific pain.
ONce the k reached the top of my head, that's when the dizzy feeling and
exhaustion set in. I seem to have mostly passed through that state just
recently, so now I am feeling pretty OK. I am wondering if this is just
another calm before the storm though!
-E
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Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1998 21:47:02 PDT
From: "Evelyn Niedbalec" <log_me_inATnospamhotmail.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Re: The out-of-body deal.
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In R. Munroe's case he wrote about vibes which were so strong
>that they felt like the power of a Mack Truck. I'm not too sure I'd
want to
>get any further, that might scare the proverbial **** right out of me.
:)
>
>Happy "travels",
>
>Am
Hehehe. Yeah, I have felt the vibes really strong once or twice. I
actually found it really cool. It was not painful at all. I did not
have a problem with fear, but I did get too excited and blew my shot at
an OBE on those occasions.
-E
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Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 02:19:36 EDT
From: YahseyesATnospamaol.com
To: heidiATnospamadan.kingston.net, log_me_inATnospamhotmail.com
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Re: Re: The out-of-body deal.
Message-ID: <2d660331.360f2a78ATnospamaol.com>
Heidi saw my piece on this one, mine was very intense, here it is--
"Wow, YES YES. It is so weird isn't it, seeing with your eyes closed. It is
just like you said. I had one weird twist that kept happening for awhile, I
kept seeing this closed little black book through my closed eyes, and then it
was like I crashed through another level and I was able to read the words on
the pages. They were written in black quill tip ink, very fancy script-
(caleography??), and only 3 or 4 words per line and only about 5 or 6 lines
per page. I kept going to this place on a number of trips and I remember it
getting so familiar to my dream person that I was trying to copy down the
words from the deepest inner sight to the inner sight that could only see the
book cover through my closed eyes. I got about half of it done, I remember
that but to know what the words said, I then had to bring the secret letters
from the first level inner sight to my physical eyes but then the trips
stopped on their own. Dam, like I was only allowed to go so far. I think it
had to do with a spell of some kind or a line of a profound "words of wisdom".
it is right on the tip of my spiritual tongue, dam!!"""
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1998 13:09:19 -0700
From: Mystress Angelique Serpent <serpentATnospamdomin8rex.com>
To: GISLENNEATnospamaol.com
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: Hi Everyone
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At 02:26 PM 27/09/98 EDT, GISLENNEATnospamaol.com wrote:
>Hi everyone
>
> I wanted to let you all know that I am doing MUCH BETTER!!!!
> Let me tell you all what happened last night!!
>
<...>> The falling noise that we heard was the next door neighbors air
conditioner
>fallin out of their window...then my cover for my air conditioner fell....
>
> I have heard of the ball of light from other people, but never really put
>any attention to it. Isn't that amazing, i wonder what this all means?
>
> Love you all...gis
>
The Faeries are possibly trying to tell you that the recirculated stale
filtered air from the air conditioner is an aggravation to the asthma. If
you must use it, keep the cover off and have the mold, dust and pollen
cleaned from it thoroughly. They may have handled it already.. but remember
"legionaries disease?". Fear attacks the immune system, making you more
sensitive to stuff. Myself, I find heat and sweat preferable to the stale
chilly musty air from it having been "conditioned".. it seems like air is
in better condition before it goes thru the machine... not to mention the
effects that escaped refrigeration gases have on the ozone layer.
Faerie=Kundalini=Earth energy. Magic and crystals and Shamen and rocks..
tapping two stones together calls upon the elementals. Air spirits may have
been using the air conditioner to identify themselves to you.. you might
not have recognised the more traditional signs of smoke or feathers.
A light coming on in your head, is usually the third eye. Likely you have
been given new intuitive abilities, to help your faith and soothe your
worried mind. The love bomb was coming thru your heart.. the two chakras
you placed stones on. I loove working with rocks.. for a story of my
druid's experience of a crystal healing, go to
http://www.domin8rex.com/serpent/spirit/druid.htm
>
>
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 02:31:02 EDT
From: YahseyesATnospamaol.com
To: paulwestATnospamstationone.demon.co.uk, kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: seeing
Message-ID: <6907093f.360f2d26ATnospamaol.com>
>From a Darwinian evolution perspective, that would have had to have happened
in the relative past of about 15,000 yrs of humanity. However,given an earth
of 3 Billion years and some old and the fact that there were about 30 major
ice ages which then implies there were interglacial periods like we now have
and which last 250,000 yrs, then the chance of life like ours existing in
these past warming periods would probably have races of humans either
superior, equal, or inferior to ours, which means our current fantantic
schools were not able to commrehend, let alone teach the superior lessons from
the ancients.
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 02:49:33 EDT
From: YahseyesATnospamaol.com
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Birth Gems
Message-ID: <d75cf5f4.360f317dATnospamaol.com>
My very good friend is wearing gem birth ring. It looks like an aquaMarine
blue but I don't know what that sign is. I am hoping it is Sept, Oct,or Nov-
cause I see her having her bd on October 4, in my head. Anyone know what
light blue stone is for?
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 98 16:50:11 SIN
From: "ngong yeng hong vivien" <Ngong=Yeng=Hong=Vivien%RCIS%STATnospamsingtel.com>
To: <kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com>
Subject: unsubscribe
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Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 14:53:17 +0530 (IST)
From: Anurag Goel <anuragATnospamee.iisc.ernet.in>
To: nancy <nancyATnospamwtp.net>
cc: kundalini-1 <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>, kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: Sinus Headaches
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When the energy gets kind of stored up in head because of meditation or
mantra recitation it can also cause headaches.
love,
anurag
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 05:52:36 PDT
From: "guy johnson" <tantriciskATnospamhotmail.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Sinus Headaches
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Good morning: I guess I need to add a piece which helped me along
greatly. I suffered with sinus headaches throughout my first marriage
of five years. I was told by a holistic practitioner that I must be
irritated with someone close to me. I left George a couple of months
later, and like magic, no more sinusitis. Pain and I have travelled
this path together rather closely until two years ago. I learned that
pain is a messenger, and I do well to listen to it. I was a regular
user of anti-inflammatories and aspirin before that, as a teenager
actually, supported by my mother and coach; there was no need to feel
pain. I guess my point is that not all pain is physically derived, and
therefore needs to be felt and addressed in an emotional or spiritual
manner. I was required to drop my fear of being annihilated by pain, in
order to free my clinging defense. I had to choose, consciously, to be
vulnerable and to hope and pretend that my body knew best how to take
care of me, until I started to believe it, and it started to be true. I
come from a cross-healing place: if I feel like I need something, I go
to the healthfood store and am drawn to that which I need, and I'm open
to most methods. Herbs, vitamins, whole foods, whatever I'm lead to.
Or I ask the person who I feel some resonance with where I might find
something for my sense of what is unbalanced. (These visualizations are
critical for focus in other areas of my life, and have had an enormous
impact on my ability to take in and retain acupuncture and
cranial-sacral treatments, as well as massage and yoga.) I'm not
recommending that people suffer unduly, there is a place for pain
management, but if your pain is chronic, the body is probably trying to
be heard on other levels, as the mirror to what is out of balance
internally. For me, this included blocked memories, a weakened sense of
purpose or ability to grow and interact with others, a confusion about
love. It keeps getting better, when I search like this. Just wanted to
share that. much love and great light to you, katrina
>> Hmm, I wonder how you know these sinus headaches are from sinus and
not
>> chakra blockages. Do the occur only in the summer?
>> I guess the blockage is at the spiritual level and the physical pain
was
>> just a side effect, and therefore treatable by physical means.
>
>So what is the spiritual blockage? That's what I'm wondering. I don't
mind
>treating the headache as I work on spirit. But I really am not sure
what
>the block is related to.
>
>Nancy
>
>
>
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Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1998 09:46:44 -0700
From: "RevDL.K.RM" <htminATnospamptdprolog.net>
To: "Rick Puravs" <ric51ATnospamgeorge.lhi.net>,
"Mystress Angelique Serpent" <serpentATnospamdomin8rex.com>
Cc: "Marybeth Gottshall" <kmgATnospamtaconic.net>, <kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com>
Subject: Re: Energy Fluctuations
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Dearest A,
I went back to your site for further investigation, and found out that we
are ,well very much alike!LOL!!
except Now I don't do the things you do with others, only with myself
and my husband,
I do for others by taking away their phyisical pain and give them
emotional, spiritual healing on a more normal level than I once use to , I
do enjoy it however , those endorphins are great!!!
I can see why your attitude is as it is and I cannot really be pissed off
at at anyone who is just being them selves!!! I did send an apology
immidiately after the unsnipped post I sent but it never appeared on my
screen,do you stop some from getting on the list or what?? I was wondering
do you ever get in the mood and wear pretty white dresses ever???I'd bet
youd be beautiful all dolled up like that,Don't get me wrong the black
leather is you all over I use to have a wardrobe in the old days only of all
black,my walls once filled with toys ,whips ,chains, clips ect,ect,the list
goes on...I know I have balanced out now keeping this sceen to my self and
husband still newlyweds!!!!! There's a time and place for everything,I
find there's alot to remember with this pc stuff and i'm learning, I hope
you all will have patience if I forget again....I don't give excuses only
reasons!!!LOL<LOL!! I do think if we ever met in person it would be
quite interesting to say the least , it would be like one of those clint
eastwood cowboy who's going to draw the whip first !!! LOL and can't
stop!!!!!!!!!!! ok wipeing the tears from my eyes...LOL...
well sweet mystress of black oiled up leather i'll be slipping back now,
time for my morning OBEs, all the kids are at school, maybe i'll come visit
you somtime .. with your permission of course oh sweet o' loveing woman of
my heart,,,purrrrrfectness is the name that comes to mind LOL.... Love and
light to you and all those who i've irritated with not
snipping!!!!!!!!!!!!!Snip Snip to you all !!!!!!!!Denise
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Date: Thursday, September 10, 1998 3:49 PM
Subject: Re: Energy Fluctuations
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 07:33:15 +0100
From: "Lobster" <lobsterATnospamdial.pipex.com>
To: "Kundalini - L" <kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com>,
"Harsha" <hlutharATnospambryant.edu>
Subject: Duties of the Chela.
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>> Lobster: You really should be making more efforts on my behalf -
>
>Harsha: But I don't even make efforts on my own behalf. For the
sake of
>discussion, can you tell me the nature of effort and how effort is
made.
Of course. Effort is giving up the effort of maintaining
effortlessness and returning to Real Effort (that's only suitable
for Gurus). For the rest of us it involves genuine efforts towards
enlightenment rather than self amusement with snakes.
>I mean what is the driving force behind effort. Perhaps if we
become
>aware of that, it might be useful to inquire further.
Well (and really it is your duty to tell me) Love is an activation
not a passive acceptance. Therefore though the effort that sustains
the Universe is Passionate and intense - it is also effortless.
>> Lobster: spiritually I am worthless - why are you so lax . . .
>
>> Harsha: I do not feel you or anyone else is spiritually
worthless. But
I can not concern myself with your feelings. I do not even take my
own spirtitual worthlesness seriously . . .
>> I hesitate to disagree with you on such an important personal
matter.
He who hesitates is Lost
Look before you Leap
>> No doubt you know what you are talking about. Take heart. Have
you not
>> heard that beautiful song, "Amazing Grace, How sweet the
sound....." .
>> Please sing it twice a day. Why do you feel I am lax? Perhaps
you are
>> mixing up the words "lax" and "relax."
Well.
I am unaware of the technical description of your condition in the
scriptures or authorities you would recognise *but* (I am using the
terminology I am familiar with) the arc of ascent involves a platea
of Grace. Amazing as this is and pleasant enough for many Yogis to
stay, enjoy and occasionally dispense wisdom from this residence is
temporary. Many people stay there. The arc of descent is very
difficult (for most impossible) because it involves a conscious
decision to give up the unconditional state.
>> Be Well
>> Om Guru Ji Om
>> Lobster
>
> Harsha: Thank you. May your life be filled with laughter, joy and
>peace, and may your bring it to others.
:-, (I guess that is a little smiley)
Be Well
His Divine Gracelessness
Lobster
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 07:49:54 +0100
From: "Lobster" <lobsterATnospamdial.pipex.com>
To: "Kundalini - L" <kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com>
Subject: Re: Sinus Headaches
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>>I have had sinus headaches on again/off again for years. I am
wondering
>>though what the cause of these could be from a spiritual/emotional
>>perspective. What issue am I clinging to that would cause
headaches?
>Are
>>there any natural remedies I can use to support my healing as I
address
>>my issue?
I would suggest looking into Purple cone flower extract, olive leaf
extract and St Johns Wort. To drain the sinuses regularly use an
inverted posture such as the shoulder stand.
Hope this is of use,
Lobster
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 21:17:18 +0500 (GMT+0500)
From: Prof D Chatterjee <kunurikaATnospamganga.iiml.ac.in>
To: janpa tsomo <j_tsomoATnospamhotmail.com>
cc: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Snakedreams
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I wish to rejoin your mailing list. Please do put me on it.
kunurikaATnospamiiml.ac.in
Dave
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