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kundalini-l-d Digest V98 #668


kundalini-l-d Digest Volume 98 : Issue 668

Today's Topics:
  Verse II [ nannuATnospamcombase.com ]
  moods and faces [ "Sharon Webb" <shawebbATnospamyhc.edu> ]
  Re: moods and faces [ "Kat" <kcliffordATnospamodyssey.on.ca> ]
  Re: Recent conversations on Gurus [ YahseyesATnospamaol.com ]
  Re: moods and faces [ "Sharon Webb" <shawebbATnospamyhc.edu> ]
  Re: Recent conversations on Gurus [ "Evelyn Niedbalec" <log_me_inATnospamhotma ]
  Re: moods and faces [ "Kat" <kcliffordATnospamodyssey.on.ca> ]
  Reiki Training [ "jim privacy" <jprivacyATnospamhotmail.com ]
  Re: creative block??? [ beisamATnospamjuno.com (a s) ]
  Re: creative block??? [ "Sharon Webb" <shawebbATnospamyhc.edu> ]
  Re: creative block??? [ Jax <jaxxATnospamihug.co.nz> ]
  Re:beware spooky dream kudalini risi [ caroline wilson <myspecial1ATnospamyahoo.c ]
  Re: creative block??? [ nancy <nancyATnospamwtp.net> ]
Date: Sat, 19 Sep 1998 19:02:52 -0500
From: nannuATnospamcombase.com
To: "Kundalini-l" <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Verse II
Message-ID: <B229B05C.1704CAATnospam[209.54.227.46]>

   THE WAY TO SELF-KNOWLEDGE (V.2)

Earn but to meet your modest needs
To keep distress and want away,
Excel in good and noble deeds
To help the afflicted night and day.

But do not, in your zeal, expose
Yourself to Want nor spoil your health,
For they a greater danger pose
To your uplift than power and wealth.

Be not misled by tricky Guides
Who promise you a quick ascent
For God in every heart abides
And everywhere is immanent.

No Mantra, charin or method can
Lift us up to the King of Kings,
Unless we can the distance span
With Love and Goodness as our wings.

It is not Method but the Heart,
Which does the Lord of All enshrine.
Self-worship from it must depart
Before that Light of lights can shine.

How can we hide our faults from One
Who sees each flutter of our heart?
Can we hide from the blazing sun
The faintest cloud with all our art?

No store of leaming, wit or skill
Can help to make us pure in heart
Unless we pray and use our will
To keep ourselves from using art

Be calm and cool, with manners mild,
Avoid excesses and extremes.
The artless nature of a child
Will bring ftilfilment to your dreams.

Study the scriptures of great creeds
And cull the teaching they impart
Soon you will find that noble deeds
With love and purity of heart,

Expressed in simple word and phrase,
Are all essentials of the route
That can embodied spirit raise
To glimpses of the Absolute.

It is because they do not know
The arduous nature of the Quest,
That false adepts their promptness show
To guide raw seekers to the crest.

That is why from the learned too
Some are now keen to join the game,
Contending why they should not woo
This Nymph of easy wealth and fame.

There is no chance they will succeed
In their design to steal the show,
For Time will soon expose their greed
And infamy heap on their brow.

The urge in us to soar above
The world to see what lies behind,
Is nature's artifice to endow
The species with a super-mind.

The trouble is we are too prone
To be enamoured of our faults,
And on this plea or that condone
Their presence which our progress halts.

It is imperative on those
Who to a super-mind aspire
That they the vent-holes tightly close
To bar wrong motive and desire.

It is not as hard as is said
To discipline the human mind.
Since we have nature's Law misread
That we the task so heavy find.

As our upliftment to the plane
Of super-knowledge is in line
With nature's aim to upgrade the brain
It must Self-mastery combine.

There comes a period in the life
Of nations, when they must decrease
The tempo of their worldly strife,
The climb to Super-Mind to ease.

But slaves to habit they persist
In their aims at the former pace,
When nature with her iron fist
Brings to a stop the headlong race

To sure destruction and decay
Which mark the inevitable end
Of men's revolt to have his way,
When nature calls on him to mend.

This is the crisis which we face
At this decisive point of time,
As from now on the human race
To cross into a Golden prime,

Must learn to moderate her pace,
>From outer turn to th' inner plane,
To simpler life her steps retrace
And calm the fever of her brain.

For only then can she discern,
The Path which nature has aligned
For her, to tread with care to earn
The blessing of a Super-mind.

The crisis will not end until
Rebellious mankind bends before
Outraged nature's flouted will,
Defeated, humbled, bruised, sore.

For decades after I am gone,
The learned, with a touch of awe,
Will wonder long what Light had shone
That guided my steps to this Law.

And this prediction shall remain
For epochs as a standing proof
That there is much more in our brain
Than but somatic warp and woof


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Date: Sat, 19 Sep 1998 20:30:34 -0400
From: "Sharon Webb" <shawebbATnospamyhc.edu>
To: <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: moods and faces
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Hi,

I've just put up a new gallery of pictures if anybody would like to take a
look. URL below. The gallery is called "Moods and Faces" and can be
reached via my home page. These are not fractal images.

Some of you might be interested in the picture called "Kishane." I drew
this from a mental image I got. Kishane (pronounced kuh-SHAW-nuh) is an
aspect of Tomm, my channel. Although I have not channeled her, some of you
have made contact with her.

Sharon
shawebbATnospamyhc.edu
Ten new Moods & Faces were
 added to this site Sept.19, 1998

Sixteen new Fractalscapes were
added to this page on Sept. 13, 1998

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Date: Sat, 19 Sep 1998 21:12:35 -0400
From: "Kat" <kcliffordATnospamodyssey.on.ca>
To: "Sharon Webb" <shawebbATnospamyhc.edu>, <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Re: moods and faces
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Hi Sharon,

>I've just put up a new gallery of pictures if anybody would like to take a
>look. URL below. The gallery is called "Moods and Faces" and can be
>reached via my home page. These are not fractal images.
>
>Some of you might be interested in the picture called "Kishane." I drew
>this from a mental image I got. Kishane (pronounced kuh-SHAW-nuh) is an
>aspect of Tomm, my channel. Although I have not channeled her, some of you
>have made contact with her.

I went to your site. In fact as I type up this message I am Listening to
your music. Have to tell you this has freaked me out. I drew an image that
is similar to your elf mask many months ago when I was living with someone
else. I riped it up and left some spritual paintings behind because of some
frustrated feelings that I was going through. I guess this goes to prove
that artists do get their ideas from the astral realms! Maybe we have
journeyed together at some time. I felt a fimiliar feeling when looking at
the portrait of Kishane. Interesting? Opps almost forgot to say I enjoyed
looking at your paintings and listening to the music.

In L&L & Understanding,

Kat
Date: Sat, 19 Sep 1998 21:13:40 EDT
From: YahseyesATnospamaol.com
To: kcliffordATnospamodyssey.on.ca, kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: Recent conversations on Gurus
Message-ID: <b96a366e.360456c4ATnospamaol.com>

I gather by the small amount of posts that I am probably on the Hawaii list
which I guess is the only one - maybe? I am in NYC, so this is a bummer. If
anyone knows of a NYC group or list I can try to connect with, I would be
forever grateful.

Anyway, re: the Guru observation, I have always felt the same but when I
mentioned it, people look at me like I have 3 heads. I have friends who follow
Eckankar which is a very beautiful religion but they insist on this living
master guy from Minn. who is supposed to guide all in their dream states. I
don't buy. Also, the various Yoga disiplines that insist you must have a
master of risk eternal ignorance or worse yet, going nuts if you have an
awakening alone. This is also a problem. If anyone disagrees, I am really
open to conflicting thoughts as I would like to believe in a master person.
It makes it so much easier.
Date: Sat, 19 Sep 1998 21:35:09 -0400
From: "Sharon Webb" <shawebbATnospamyhc.edu>
To: <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Re: moods and faces
Message-ID: <009301bde436$e81fb180$b0d11fa8ATnospamsharonwe>
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Kat wrote:
>I went to your site. In fact as I type up this message I am Listening to
>your music. Have to tell you this has freaked me out. I drew an image
that
>is similar to your elf mask many months ago when I was living with someone
>else. I riped it up and left some spritual paintings behind because of
some
>frustrated feelings that I was going through. I guess this goes to prove
>that artists do get their ideas from the astral realms! Maybe we have
>journeyed together at some time. I felt a fimiliar feeling when looking at
>the portrait of Kishane. Interesting? Opps almost forgot to say I enjoyed
>looking at your paintings and listening to the music.

Thanks.

Gee! I wish you hadn't ripped your elf up. :-( I would have loved to see
it. Do you still paint?

When my k explosion came, I was seized with a mania to do pictures---one
that I haven't had since I was a child.

:-)

Sharon
shawebbATnospamyhc.edu
Ten new Moods & Faces were
 added to this site Sept.19, 1998

Sixteen new Fractalscapes were
added to this page on Sept. 13, 1998

Fractals and 2D and 3D graphics
http://www.fractalus.com/sharon/

Winner of twenty top web awards.
Free screensaver and wallpaper d/l.
Date: Sat, 19 Sep 1998 18:44:58 PDT
From: "Evelyn Niedbalec" <log_me_inATnospamhotmail.com>
To: kcliffordATnospamodyssey.on.ca, kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com, YahseyesATnospamaol.com
Subject: Re: Recent conversations on Gurus
Message-ID: <19980920014459.16808.qmailATnospamhotmail.com>
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>Anyway, re: the Guru observation, I have always felt the same but when
I
>mentioned it, people look at me like I have 3 heads. I have friends who
follow
>Eckankar which is a very beautiful religion but they insist on this
living
>master guy from Minn. who is supposed to guide all in their dream
states. I
>don't buy. Also, the various Yoga disiplines that insist you must have
a
>master of risk eternal ignorance or worse yet, going nuts if you have
an
>awakening alone.

I have no guru, but I promise I haven't gone nuts. (I know this because
the little green space aliens tell me so!! ;-) )

This is also a problem. If anyone disagrees, I am really
>open to conflicting thoughts as I would like to believe in a master
person.
>It makes it so much easier.

IMO, it depends on you. Some would do better with a guru, but
eventually you have to learn to listen to your inner self for the truest
answers.
-E

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Date: Sat, 19 Sep 1998 21:56:37 -0400
From: "Kat" <kcliffordATnospamodyssey.on.ca>
To: "Sharon Webb" <shawebbATnospamyhc.edu>, <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Re: moods and faces
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Hi Sharon,
\

>Gee! I wish you hadn't ripped your elf up. :-( I would have loved to see
>it. Do you still paint?

Yes I do and it is pulling at me very strongly now. I have not painted much
in the past year because of deep feelings of anger and frustration and pain
but I am getting past these feelings and I am beginning to open up
again......unfortuntly as I am opening I am reexperiencing a lot of the
pain. Not easy. I am finding that painting is easing it up. Maybe this
is what I was suppose to be doing all along. A friend of mine just sent
me this URL and it is inspiring. I would like to share it with you and
anyone that is interested as well.

http://www.aros.net/~cwdesign/bridge/
>
>When my k explosion came, I was seized with a mania to do pictures---one
>that I haven't had since I was a child.

when I was a child a lady near by worked with me with my love for the arts.
It was not until many years ago that I picked up a brush......I went through
one year of going crazy with paintings....just could not stop for any
reason. Then nothing. I think it was because my spiritial beliefs and
thoughts was broken. It could also be I resisted doing some paintings that
were spiritual. Maybe I annoyed the spirit within me and lost my talents
for awhile to teach me a lesson.

In L&L & Understanding,

Kat
Date: Sat, 19 Sep 1998 19:37:33 PDT
From: "jim privacy" <jprivacyATnospamhotmail.com>
To: ****ATnospamtwsuvm.uc.twsu.edu, kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Reiki Training
Message-ID: <19980920023734.6001.qmailATnospamhotmail.com>
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Dear Jill:

I got my reiki training in January of this year, for just a few hundred
dollars. My spiritual development has taken off like a rocket. Lots of
k-awake people feel drawn to healing as a way to take this influx of new
energy and direct it in a positive and creative way. Lots of schools of
healing, pick your favorite.

I'd recommend first "getting" reiki healing from someone, to see what it
feels like and see if it's of interest to you. My first Reiki healer
taught me the basics for free and let me practice on her. When I saw
firsthand that I *could* do it too, I was ready to sign up for classes.

Reiki 1 is the hands-on stuff; Reiki 2 lets you do remote
(distant)healing, handy for healing folks across country as well as
forward/backward in time. Several different "schools" of Reiki in the
US, don't get mired in dogma or "the one true path." The key, IMO, is
the "attunements" that open up the chakras. Hand positions are
overrated, I think that intuition and intention rule.

If you need help finding a Reiki teacher, try www.reiki.org or I can
find some other links or personal contacts for you. There are many Reiki
email lists online, try www.onelist.com I have worked with many Reiki
healers online who trade distant healing with me, let me know if you are
interested.

BTW, I live in the midwest US, if you are within driving distance I'd be
willing to get you started for free.

Reiki does not drain the healer, you send universal healing energy
through you, you don't send your own energy. In Reiki, the healer
receives healing while sending to another.

Let me know any way I can be supportive. Love, -Jim


 I think I should
try to take a Reiki course or something like it. I would appreciate
recom-
mendations from you or anyone on the list who can address this.I would
like
to find a way to make good use of this energy.
***snip***
In response to the other part of your experience, Julie, the pain, I
have
not had that. But sometimes I find I feel exhausted afterwards.

I appreciate any feedback on this. Thanks!

Jill

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Date: Sat, 19 Sep 1998 20:27:19 -0700
From: beisamATnospamjuno.com (a s)
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: creative block???
Message-ID: <19980919.202720.-314475.0.beisamATnospamjuno.com>

Hello Sharon and Kat,
Hope ya don't mind a new voice here in your conversation about your art.
I have been wondering what is going on with mine.
When I was a child my grandmother taught me to do portraits of people in
charcoal, I was never as good as she but I did well enough that if you
knew the person, you would recognize them.
When I was in my early twenties, my ex decided he was gonna sell some of
my work... not the portaits, but other work I did. I told him no, he sold
them anyway and when I got angry he refused to let me draw or paint ever
again....
I have tried with little success to do portaits again, in fact people are
very near impossible for me.
However, about 5 years after the divorce I was encouraged to doodle or
scribble as part of my therapy and a whole new style came about...
hundreds of pictures came from a few years of *compulsive* drawing and
painting... very theraputic.. I did this from about 1991 until about 8
months ago when in the middle of doing a painting I just stopped. Unable
to get back to it.
Again and again this is happening now. I am driven to start, get maybe
half the way done and cant finish.
the portaits I dont feel sad about, it comes as no surprise to me because
as the years go by I see faces less and less, I feel people more than see
them which is okay with me.
but I miss my paints, and my pencils and the peace that drawing and
painting brought to my life.
I am not an *artist* so I am not sure if this is typical of those who
are.
I dont think it is like writters block because the desire is there, the
ideas are there, the pictures are in my head, everything feels normal
until I try to do it, then I get feeling icky and cannot continue.
this is disturbing to me as I have used it as my meditation - I could
grab a pencil and paper and let my mind just go off on its own. Its like
I cant finish a thought, in fact I cant get into that pleasing relaxed
state at all any more.
I put the suppies out of sight for a while, only to drag them out again
when I felt compelled to draw again, but nothing happened.
Any suggestions?
freda
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Date: Sat, 19 Sep 1998 23:47:49 -0400
From: "Sharon Webb" <shawebbATnospamyhc.edu>
To: <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>, "a s" <beisamATnospamjuno.com>
Subject: Re: creative block???
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Freda,

I can't help but wonder if your prob isn't kundalini related.

you wrote:
>When I was in my early twenties, my ex decided he was gonna sell some of
>my work... not the portaits, but other work I did. I told him no, he sold
>them anyway and when I got angry he refused to let me draw or paint ever
>again....

So now, you have all these wonderful ideas for pictures, but you can't get
them out. I think maybe the ideas and inspiration are coming from k...and
the block from anger. You produced pics, and then your ex sold them. He
stole them from you.

Have you tried meditating and asking why this is happening? It seems to me
that the wonderful flow of ideas, and the damming up of them is a way Shakti
is choosing to get the pot boiling and let all those old hangups bubble up
to the surface.

>I dont think it is like writters block because the desire is there, the
>ideas are there, the pictures are in my head, everything feels normal
>until I try to do it, then I get feeling icky and cannot continue.

I know a sculptor who works in bronze, clay, wood, and stone. She reached a
point where she couldn't touch clay. It was a block based on something that
happened when she was a child. When she recognized it, she began to enjoy
working with clay again.

Maybe you could try a different medium. Maybe collage?

Love,
Sharon
Date: Sun, 20 Sep 1998 18:52:10 +1200
From: Jax <jaxxATnospamihug.co.nz>
To: beisamATnospamjuno.com (a s)
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: creative block???
Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19980920185210.0074ed34ATnospampop.ihug.co.nz>
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Freda, you wrote:
>
>Hope ya don't mind a new voice here in your conversation about your art.
>I have been wondering what is going on with mine.
>However, about 5 years after the divorce I was encouraged to doodle or
>scribble as part of my therapy and a whole new style came about...
>hundreds of pictures came from a few years of *compulsive* drawing and
>painting... very theraputic.. I did this from about 1991 until about 8
>months ago when in the middle of doing a painting I just stopped. Unable
>to get back to it.
>Again and again this is happening now. I am driven to start, get maybe
>half the way done and cant finish.
>Any suggestions?
>freda

Hi, hope you dont mind me jumping in here too! With your stopping a
painting before its finished - I'm wondering what sort of internal
'payoffs' you may have set up for yourself here. What would be the risk or
the worst thing that might happened if you finished a painting? Breathe
deeply and think on this one...
It makes me said to hear the way you cannot do what you obviously love.

...jacqueline
Date: Sun, 20 Sep 1998 01:12:49 -0700 (PDT)
From: caroline wilson <myspecial1ATnospamyahoo.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re:beware spooky dream kudalini rising
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Dear K list,
My first experience with k - awakening started about 3 years ago, i
was asleep and having a dream
i dreamt i was in the street at night, a very black night, when
shadows look bottomless,the void. I looked across the road and saw a
man all in black, pretty stocky and formidable in shadows and
darkness, he was looking at me, though i could not see his face, a
dark presence he was. I stepped off the pavement to walk across the
road and seemed to plunge into the deepest hole in the world, which
woke me up as i jumped off the bed about 4 feet, from that moment on i
have gotten spasms up my spine starting at my base chakra which varies
quite a lot in intensity, but always makes me jump plus a host of
other symptoms, painful left big toe,excruciating itching left leg,
hot spots, hot flushes, realisations,spontaneous yoga poses,tingling
crown, feelings of extreme devotion to God,feelings of overflowing
love that almost make me weep, bouts of depression and pain etc...
The reason i tell you this is because i met that dark man i dreamt of
( i had forgotten about the dream when i met him) and we started going
out,8 months later- i became pregnant and had a miscarriage three
months later, three weeks ago we broke up in a very nasty and
frightening way, he got violent and lost the plot, my parents had to
come get me out while he was at work, i was so terrorfied that i
thought the worst and was even prepared to leave the state, now we
have been talking and i have decided to stay with my job -being the
most stable thing in my life and all this happened within 2 weeks of
me turning 28 years old - Saturn return?
The week before my (now)expartner lost the plot i had a deja vu and
was reminded of the dream, we were walking in the street and it was
the blackest night i ever saw/felt - there he was the dark man and i
was quite disturbed.
The last year has been the worst year of my life,lots of
troubles,harrassment and rip offs, like i had the worst Karma.
Now I am breathing a great sigh of relief and glad of my family and
friends and the wonderful things that happen to bring me back to
myself, God of my Heart.
It is like i have ignored all the signs i was given about this recent
relationship, literally ignored my inner voice, turned my back on god
and myself, why i did it - i am finding out.
I am back, I will always listen to my inner voice and take heed of my
dreams, feelings and messages i get.
I used to be devoted to my own personal growth, meditation, the
spiritual path, since i was very young i have been attracted to
spiritual stuff, i was 16 when i started reading about kundalini- then
that happened.
I am so grateful for this list and to be able to read everyone's
letters and be able to respond.

Does anyone have any comments about the way in which kundalini
started from a dream, message.
My dreams always tell me stuff.
Last night i was dreaming i was running away from him and he kept
stopping me. I never escaped in my dream.
lots of love
Caroline

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Date: Sun, 20 Sep 1998 09:29:17 -0600
From: nancy <nancyATnospamwtp.net>
To: a s <beisamATnospamjuno.com>, kundalini-1 <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Re: creative block???
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Hi freda,

> I dont think it is like writters block because the desire is there, the
> ideas are there, the pictures are in my head, everything feels normal
> until I try to do it, then I get feeling icky and cannot continue.
> Any suggestions?
>
I don't know if I have a suggestion, but I do have an explanation. I'll
call it creative post-traumatic stress.

Here's my theory. When we are forced to put aside that which makes our
heart sing (whether that's writing, drawing, healing, business), it
causes great stress to us. In order to cope, we have to shut down a part
of ourselves.

Then, years later when the reason we quit has been removed, we still
don't want to go there. It's too painful.

Example: I was forced to give up my business. I didn't want to, but I
had to. A lot of very unpleasnt things happened in my life at the end of
the business. About six months ago, I began talking to a colleague about
a business idea. It's a great idea and the two of us would have made a
fabulous team. At first, I was excited. Then after a conversation, I
literally went into a panic about going into business. I wasn't even
thinking about quitting my job at that point. This was just talk.
Nonetheless, it was very real. All the feelings bubbled to the surface
from that time in my life when I did have my business. I was so
stressed, I told him I couldn't do it.

For the past two years, I have cut all contact with those people who
were associated with me as a business person. I never go in the building
where I had my office. I even changed my name because that old Nancy is
dead.

Perhaps your ex forcing you to stop your drawing created trauma for you.
Maybe you don't want to complete a drawing because deep down you feel
that the finished pieces could be taken away without your consent.

I think it's a healing process. In order to move beyond the stress, I
know I have to learn how to reintegrate and heal that abandoned part of
myself--Nancy, business tycoon. Maybe you have to do something similar.

Just a thought.

Nancy

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