1998/09/19 09:04
kundalini-l-d Digest V98 #666
kundalini-l-d Digest Volume 98 : Issue 666
Today's Topics: Re: Re: Rain.. [ YahseyesATnospamaol.com ]
Re: obes [ "Lucius" ] obes..... sorry for dwelling off sub [ "Lucius" ]
prana and kundalini [ "Lucius" ] Re: prana and kundalini [ Anurag Goel ]
Re: Rain.. [ Anurag Goel ] Re: evidence II [ Antoine Carre ]
Re: obes [ "guy johnson"
I did this a couple of times also. Actually stood by a lady who was already quite scared of me and I told her the wind would blow and the rain would fall
for her because I wanted it to. Within minutes, a strong cold wind whip around our faces and the rain fell hard, lightening, thunder, the works.
Kinda scared my pants off also.
Hey, here is a cute one I would like to see if anyone can figure it out. No, I don't know the answer but this group seems to be the right people to ask...
ok, here goes:
I was in Japan on business after being to about 4 other Asian countries to check our computer operations oversea. My wife and I were in the hotel room
with a remote channel changer but every button was unreadable in Japanesse letters. We had no clue on how to watch the movie, "dirty dancing" with
Japanesse dubbed in, we wanted to hear it English. slept that night and dreamed deeply. woke up with a very focused memory of my dream on a
particulat button on the changer that would allow the movie to go from being dubbed in Japannesse so we could watch it in the original English. Note: we
didn't know anything about a button that would do this on the remote, it was all a big dream. I woke up next day, the dream was still very intense in my
head and I ran over to the remote, found a button on it in Japanesse that I was sure would do it based on only my dream. well, I Pressed the button and
this immediatly started sounding in original English. if you think that was weird, I have some more cuties up my sleeve.
Date: Sat, 5 Sep 1998 03:27:55 -0400 From: "Lucius"
To: "kundalini people" , "guy johnson"
Subject: Re: obes Message-ID:
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much thanks. im not sure why, but lately ive had
this deeprooted feelingthat there is a very good reason i do not do a lot of the things that i knowhow to do. in many of these things are power. power
that can be used to gainknowledge to a wrong end. im not sure if this is a deeprooted feeling from apast life, or just a desperate attempt to give this
life a little moreconflict and meaning, but in the past three years ive come to a tentativeconclusion that i once had a great deal of power and knowledge
long ago andmisused it. and as a result am blocking myself from this knowledge in thefear that i will repeat my mistakes. i am however well aware
of the factthat this could simply be a way for other fears to divert my attention andkeep me from confronting those fears.... yet the feeling
persists.any thoughts?blessed be,
Lucius Date: Sat, 5 Sep 1998 05:07:04 -0400
From: "Lucius" To: "kundalini people"
Subject: obes..... sorry for dwelling off subject Message-ID:
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sorry everyone... fiddling with options and made the first sending of this message unreadable....
much thanks. im not sure why, but lately ive had
this deeprooted feelingthat there is a very good reason i do not do a lot of the things that i knowhow to do. in many of these things are power. power
that can be used to gainknowledge to a wrong end. im not sure if this is a deeprooted feeling from apast life, or just a desperate attempt to give this
life a little moreconflict and meaning, but in the past three years ive come to a tentativeconclusion that i once had a great deal of power and knowledge
long ago andmisused it. and as a result am blocking myself from this knowledge in thefear that i will repeat my mistakes. i am however well aware
of the factthat this could simply be a way for other fears to divert my attention andkeep me from confronting those fears.... yet the feeling
persists.any thoughts?blessed be,
Lucius Date: Sat, 5 Sep 1998 05:21:12 -0400
From: "Lucius" To: "kundalini people"
Subject: prana and kundalini Message-ID:
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just a thought on the differences between
prana(or whatever you prefer to call it) and kundalini... my thoughts are based on various readings,
experiences, and probably mostly, wild-ass assumptions. what if prana refers to that which is present in or around something, while kundalini comes not from the
body, but from either our higher selves or mother Earth itself?
if something like this were true, essentially they would be the same energy except that kundalini would come from a
virtually limitless and vastly more experienced source
Date: Sat, 19 Sep 1998 14:48:43 +0530 (IST) From: Anurag Goel
To: Lucius cc: kundalini people
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Prana is something which is present evrywhere in this universe and kundalini is something which is present in only human beings as far as i
know that's why it is said that if one want than human being can raise oneself to the level of GOD.
love,
anurag
On Sat, 5 Sep 1998, Lucius wrote:
> just a thought on the differences between prana(or whatever you prefer to
call it) and kundalini... > my thoughts are based on various readings, experiences, and probably mostly
, wild-ass assumptions. what if prana refers to that which is present in or around something, while kundalini comes not from the body, but from either
our higher selves or mother Earth itself? >
> if something like this were true, essentially they would be the same energy except that kundalini would come from a virtually limitless and vastly more
experienced source >
Date: Sat, 19 Sep 1998 15:09:04 +0530 (IST) From: Anurag Goel
To: YahseyesATnospamaol.com, Kundalini Mailing List Subject: Re: Re: Rain..
Message-ID:
Yes , i too have at times dreamt such things. Thoughts r something that
guide where to go and look in for and in ur dream it was the urge to know how to make TV sound in english. The explanation is almost same as is for
lucid dreaming. Seems like dream found the exact answer frm an unending data base.
This makes me think we know everything but r still unaware of it.
Remember Kekule's dream -> Snakes holding each other with
mouth and tail and dancing ( benzene structure)
love, anurag
> I was in Japan on business after being to about 4 other Asian countries to
> check our computer operations oversea. My wife and I were in the hotel room > with a remote channel changer but every button was unreadable in Japanesse
> letters. We had no clue on how to watch the movie, "dirty dancing" with > Japanesse dubbed in, we wanted to hear it English. slept that night and
> dreamed deeply. woke up with a very focused memory of my dream on a > particulat button on the changer that would allow the movie to go from being
> dubbed in Japannesse so we could watch it in the original English. Note: we > didn't know anything about a button that would do this on the remote, it was
> all a big dream. I woke up next day, the dream was still very intense in my > head and I ran over to the remote, found a button on it in Japanesse that I
> was sure would do it based on only my dream. well, I Pressed the button and > this immediatly started sounding in original English. if you think that was
> weird, I have some more cuties up my sleeve. >
> Date: Sat, 19 Sep 1998 02:55:13 PDT
From: "b bah" To: htminATnospamptdprolog.net
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com Subject: Re: A grandson's thumb
Message-ID:
>Reply-To: "RevDL.K.RM"
>From: "RevDL.K.RM" >To: "b bah"
>Subject: Re: your owl family/dreams >Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 21:09:58 -0700
> >Barb . Are you the barb with the grandson with the finger problem, if
you >are did you get my post,about where in PA thats where I am,Ill see him
if we
Hello Denise,
No , you have the wrong Barb. It must be the lady who when she first came on the K-list called herself "Barbara" , then I noticed she
switched to "Barb", and lately has been signing off with "barb". When I saw the latter name I wondered how soon people would get us confused as
I usually sign off as "barb". 'usually write my entire name in lower case. Maybe I'll have to shrink it further to just "b" or "bbah"
'loha, barb
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From: Anurag Goel To: Mystress Angelique Serpent
cc: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com, kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com Subject: Re: Rain..
Message-ID:
There is shloka in some Upnishaad ( I don't remember the name of that
Upnishad now) which says that wherever people gather to do great sadhnas. God Indra( god of rain) always come there to shower blessings.
love,
anurag Date: Sat, 19 Sep 98 08:39:21 -0400
From: Marybeth Gottshall To: "Mike"
cc: Subject: Re: evidence
Message-Id:
Mike,
My take on this is something akin to trying to measure the sky with a
yardstick. IMHO it's going to be a pretty unfulfilling pastime. Why not experience the beauty of the sunset or the sunrise and the changing
light? We know the sky to be *true* because we have experienced it, not because we have measured it. But then, I'm an artist, not a scientist...
Marybeth
Mike wrote:
>I want to experience these things for myself so I can "know" they are true >but I have never had any experiences that I cannot attribute to logic.
> >I also realise that there are many things "out there" which we simply
>don't understand. If we could develop the equipment to measure them, then >who knows...?
Date: Sat, 19 Sep 1998 05:56:17 -0700 From: "Robert Avitia"
To: "Kundalini" Cc: "Robert"
Subject: Chakra cleansing Message-ID:
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Hello, this is my first post. I am a recent
subscriber and just beginning my studies of the Kundalini. I am interested in techniques for cleansing and preparing my chakras for a kundalini
experience. I have also become interested in Astral Projection as reading Robert Bruce's treatise on the subject. Are there any fellow kundalini
students that would like to compare notes and experiences.
Sincerely,
Robert A. mercurywestATnospamthegrid.net
Date: Sat, 19 Sep 1998 07:07:52 -0600 From: nancy
To: kundalini-1 Subject: Freedom and mealy worms
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Hi all,
Today I begin my new life. Yipee! Divorce went through relatively smoothly.
I had grounded earlier in the day with Angelique's technique. My
attorney was a bit harried and rushing around trying to juggle too many cases. As we left his office for the courtroom, he noticed my calm. "You
seem to be very balanced person," he said.
In the courtroom, my ex and I had a moment alone as our attorneys conferred with the judge on one detail. I made a casual comment to him
and he answered with one word. As he looked at me, his eyes showed utter contempt and hatred. I backed off from engaging in any conversation and
turned my attention to keeping myself grounded. His waves of hate washed over me. I didn't shield myself. Instead, I allowed the hate to go
through me to the divine.
We signed documents at 9:30 and the divorce became official at 1:30. Waiting for it to be over was the most difficult part for me. I felt
unsettled and distracted. By 2, I felt completely relieved. I could breathe! Fresh air. Freedom.
I awoke early this morning and decided to start the day by making banana
bread. I reached for my opened box of oat bran and begin pouring into my cup measure. I stopped short when I noticed that the bran contained the
remains of mealy worms. Not to worry, I had another box. I opened it and poured. Mealy worms again! One more box in the cupboard. One more cup
with mealy worms.
As I threw the contaminated boxes away, I realized that these reflect the state of my life. Many people, things, situations that once were
healthy have become infested.
I did know that I had mealy worms in my life. But rather than throwing out the crap, I just put that aspect of my life back in the cupboard.
Meanwhile, the worms jump to other areas and the problems multiply. I didn't address my incompatible marriage seven years ago when I first
became aware that there were some major issues. Put it back in the cupboard. It's too much work to deal with it.
Mealy worms in food and life require the same action. Throw out the
infested stuff. Then clean up with disinfectant. Replace with new healthy stuff. Today I start cleaning up my cupboards and my life!
To all those who sent me kind and encouraging notes yesterday, thank
you. The support buoyed my spirit as I waited for the divorce to be final.
Nancy
Date: Sat, 19 Sep 1998 10:15:38 -0400 From: Antoine Carre
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com, Mike Subject: Re: evidence II
Message-id:
>That's good but can it be empirically verified. Are you REALLY there. Or >are you just _imagining_ it? Subjectivity biases reports
>yours, >+ Mike ++
Mike if you want to use logic and only logic, at least push it to it's limits like physicist try to do, like Newton, ever read is original work
from him? Far much different that what is teached at school... Or Einstein, or today in the theory of Chaos in maths, or the search for the Entity
called "quantum gravity" by physicist today. The term "_REALLY_" there you use in an empirical way, will come to have an all new meaning in a
scientific way, if you push your science. Please do not limit your logic to Aristotle A is not equal to non A, it's a prison for your mind.
An electron that as collapsed in an state, to that of substance, is in
another reality than an electron not yet touched by a form of observation. That is a principle of quantum relativity. Extrapoling here, if you want to
stay in the state of a collapsed electron, it's your choice, only you can uncollapse yourself to your multidimentionnal state.
Antoine
Date: Sat, 19 Sep 1998 07:56:09 PDT From: "guy johnson"
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com Subject: Re: obes
Message-ID:
dear lucius: it would seem that we are asked to surrender our capacity
for power to spirit, or energy, or God, and remain humble in our appreciation for divine guidance (rather than personal directing).
when we use power to satisfy our own ego or desire or perceived need, we may acquire the end we seek, but it usually is accompanied by a stinging
lesson of some sort. The lessons become more gentle as we allow ourselves to stop trying (trying always gets in the way of simply being)
to orchestrate. use your intuition to discern the signs or signals which call you... ask for the wisdom to receive what you need for your
highest good... and surrender to what comes. Even if painful, this approach has helped us to get out of the way and find a delightful flow
in living by each moment. With much love and great light to you, katrina & guy
power that can be used to =
>gain >knowledge to a wrong end. im not sure if this is a deeprooted feeling =
>from a >past life, or just a desperate attempt to give this life a little more
>conflict and meaning, but in the past three years ive come to a = >tentative
>conclusion that i once had a great deal of power and knowledge long ago =
>and >misused it. and as a result am blocking myself from this knowledge in =
>the >fear that i will repeat my mistakes. i am however well aware of the
fact >that this could simply be a way for other fears to divert my attention
= >and
>keep me from confronting those fears.... yet the feeling persists. >any thoughts?
> >blessed be,
> Lucius >
> >
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Date: Sat, 19 Sep 1998 08:12:20 PDT From: "guy johnson"
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com Subject: Re: prana and kundalini
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Dear anurag: In my experience as a horse trainer, communicator and pet
caretaker for years, I would have to disagree about humans alone experiencing k. Animals are very open to k energy, and I would go so
far as to say they seek it out after having shared it with a human. I do not know whether they simply come to share what they all ready know
and have, or whether we impart k energy to them... seems an irrelevent question to me, they simply do, without a questioning ego or intellect
to interfere with the trip. One of my clients is a reiki master, and recently took her new horse
home. This mare was sharing k energy with guy and myself on a daily basis while I had her in training, and so when I suggested that the
owner practice sharing her skills with this mare, an incredibly deep trust resulted. This allowed them both to relax and have a much less
anxious session than ever before. She will share her reiki energy regularly now.
For you scientific types, the physiological evidence of their experiencing k energy is not unlike how we humans respond: trembling, a
deep state of trance, muscle relaxation far beyond their typical posture (ears, lips, and neck hang, and a softening of the eye afterwards.) we
have helped many horses overcome anxiety and depression by simply sharing with love what we share when we work on humans. The animal
kingdom is waiting for us to wake up, and they have been exceedingly patient teachers. Look at them from a respectful position (instead of
our conditioned superiority) and you may well find wisdom of a sort you never conceived. Just our thoughts.
much love and great light to you, katrina and guy
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>Prana is something which is present evrywhere in this universe and >kundalini is something which is present in only human beings as far as
i >know that's why it is said that if one want than human being
>can raise oneself to the level of GOD. >
>love, >anurag
> >
>On Sat, 5 Sep 1998, Lucius wrote: >
>> just a thought on the differences between prana(or whatever you prefer to
> call it) and kundalini... >> my thoughts are based on various readings, experiences, and probably
mostly >, wild-ass assumptions. what if prana refers to that which is present
in or > around something, while kundalini comes not from the body, but from
either > our higher selves or mother Earth itself?
>> >> if something like this were true, essentially they would be the same
energy > except that kundalini would come from a virtually limitless and
vastly more > experienced source
>> >
>
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From: Barbara Alexander To: "kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com"
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To barb,
Sorry that I took your name. I wasn't thinking. When I come back in a few weeks I will have a different one.
To list,
For those that are interested, my grandson is still doing well. On Monday another doctor will be in to dive an opinion. Until then its
wait and see. When I wrote the letter about what I found helpful since I've been on
the list, that is exactly it, what i found helpful. There was no intent to imply that this was the
answer for everyone. If that's what I implied, I apologize. God is truth and there are many roads one can take that will lead to truth.
At this point I am weary beyond belief and probably oversensitive. I have a lot of reading, thinking and meditating to do so I'm going to
take a break from posting for awhile and go back to lurking. I feel that i have gained many new friends and i appreciate the love
and concern. Anyone that would like to is welcome to contact me at my e-mail
address and i will try to reply. Sometimes my mind is filled with fuzz and i lose track of things. If I don't reply its probably a case of
brain drain. Much love to all.
taking a break for now Barbara, Barb, barb
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