1998/09/19  00:24  
 kundalini-l-d Digest V98 #665 
  
kundalini-l-d Digest				Volume 98 : Issue 665
 
Today's Topics: 
  Re: Reiki..was Re:to list             [ eggers <****ATnospamtwsuvm.uc.twsu.edu> ] 
  Preface                               [ nannuATnospamcombase.com ] 
  Verse 1                               [ nannuATnospamcombase.com ] 
  Re: The out-of-body deal reply        [ "Evelyn Niedbalec" <log_me_inATnospamhotma ] 
  Re: The out-of-body deal.             [ Anurag Goel <anuragATnospamee.iisc.ernet.i ] 
  evidence                              [ Mike <Michael.GoodwinATnospamjcu.edu.au> ] 
  Re: evidence                          [ "Sharon Webb" <shawebbATnospamyhc.edu> ] 
  Re: Rain..                            [ Mike <Michael.GoodwinATnospamjcu.edu.au> ] 
  evidence II                           [ Mike <Michael.GoodwinATnospamjcu.edu.au> ] 
  Re: evidence                          [ "Evelyn Niedbalec" <log_me_inATnospamhotma ] 
  Re: evidence II                       [ "Evelyn Niedbalec" <log_me_inATnospamhotma ] 
  Re: The out-of-body deal.             [ Rik Wallace <love_rikATnospamyahoo.com> ] 
Date:         Fri, 18 Sep 98  10:25:36 CDT 
From: eggers <****ATnospamtwsuvm.uc.twsu.edu> 
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Subject:      Re: Reiki..was Re:to list 
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Dear Julie,
 
I read your post yesterday on your healing experience with interest.  I do 
not do Reiki and I don't have any training in any kind of healing.  But since 
my K awakening (6 years ago), I have had experiences like you describe.  I 
began to get a sense of energy fields around people, plants, and animals a 
few months after the k started.  I began to be able to "see", or more properly, 
feel, imbalances in people when I was near them.  With this came a compelling 
urge to "do" something, with my hands, although I did not know what it was I 
was going to do.  Of course the biggest obstacle to following through on this 
was to find some appropriate context to introduce my touching the person.  One 
of the first times this worked was when my sister had a migraine, and I 
offered to massage her neck. My hands began an automatic activity which was 
something I just followed, pressing certain areas, sometimes quite hard, and 
there was a certainty to the energy or whatever that directed my action, 
although I felt completely like an observer and tool of this intelligence. 
My sister and I both felt a great intense surge of energy pass through my 
hands to her, and it did result in her migraine disappearing, which surprised 
us both, as these usually last her for a couple days and are quite severe.
 
Since that time there have been many experiences like this, and I always 
feel that I am an attentive instrument in serving this force.  The desire to 
do this healing activity is very strong, and whenever I am around someone 
who has something wrong, a disease or imbalance of some kind, I feel this 
great urge to do some kind of healing intervention.  But I have no context 
for explaining what might occur, or why I want to do it.  (At least no context 
or explanation which most people would not find strange.)  I think I should 
try to take a Reiki course or something like it.  I would appreciate recom- 
mendations from you or anyone on the list who can address this.I would like 
to find a way to make good use of this energy.
 
In response to the other part of your experience, Julie, the pain, I have 
not had that.  But sometimes I find I feel exhausted afterwards.
 
I appreciate any feedback on this.  Thanks!
 
Jill 
Date: Fri, 18 Sep 1998 11:59:37 -0500 
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Subject: Preface 
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THE WAY TO SELF-KNOWLEDGE
 
    Preface
 
This book is from the Super-Mind 
A fast dictated gift sublime, 
The Message it contains will find 
Full confirmation in due time.
 
This well-observed phenomenon, 
So new to modem intellect, 
Has been exhibited, off and on, 
In varied tongue and dialect
 
Right from the old Egyptian times, 
By many a richly gifted mind, 
Of which the evidence in some climes, 
One can in holy scriptures find.
 
The current theories, which ascribe 
This outflow to the unconscious mind, 
Are pure concoctions of a tribe 
Of scientists that cannot find
 
The right solution in their texts, 
Or in what their elite have writ, 
Who, too, belong to diverse sects, 
Each one depending on his wit
 
Which, in the vast domain of mind, 
Is like a pin lost in a stack 
Of hay, impossible to find, 
When one in search has turned his back
 
Towards the huge, offending pile, 
As Knowledge has turned his to God 
To please himself but for a while, 
Intensely searching clay and sod.
 
The top psychologists whose faine 
Still high in learned circles lives, 
Are not entirely free of blame 
For giving currency to views
 
About religion, God and soul, 
Which are completely off the track, 
As far from Truth as the South Pole 
Is from the North, and some e'en smack
 
Of fabrication with a view 
To enhance their prestige and their fame, 
A subterfuge which is not new, 
But in a holy cause, a shame.
 
The Almighty Power that rules this All 
Is neither male nor female nor 
Androgynous, and that we call 
By names we have a liking for.
 
Our life can't be a simmering broth, 
Where true and false conjointly live, 
But there must be a purer Path 
>From which we Soul's estate can view.
 
The self-awareness of the soul, 
To know her own divinity 
Denotes the purpose and the goal 
Of human life, as it should be.
 
That is why holy scriptures grip 
So hard the normal human mind, 
More than the love of scholarship, 
And firmly to religion bind.
 
Mankind is passing through the age 
Of dreams come true of scientists, 
And with their gifts has set the stage 
Now for the rule of nuclear fists.
 
What mental plagues will be her share, 
If this accursed, infernal race, 
With more and more destructive ware, 
Continues at a faster pace,
 
Unless kind nature takes the stand 
To make the hotheads see the light 
And comes down with a heavy hand 
To bring to dust their vaunted might
 
The arsenals built by the urge 
To power, by lust, ambition, greed, 
Nature will soon use as the purge 
To cure these current ills with speed.
 
This awful Drama shall reveal 
How marvellously nature works, 
And how in all with which we deal, 
Her hand behind the curtain lurks.
 
This gifted book will leave no doubt 
That all we do is preordained, 
And knowledge of what comes about 
Before it happens can be gained.
 
Ambition, passion, lust desire, 
Each impulse, urge or appetite, 
Which move, propel or set on fire 
Or fill with pain, grief or delight
 
The mind, must be judiciously 
Brought under the control of man, 
To help him climb courageously 
The height prescribed in nature's Plan.
 
The bounden duty, in this fight 
Of every parent is to grow 
In nobleness and moral height 
Their seeds in every child to sow.
 
The view of some psychologists 
To give a more loose rein to sex 
Is poison, and one must resist 
Excess, ere it the system wrecks.
 
The ignorance, just at this stage, 
Of this one, all-important Law, 
When humankind has come of age 
To end the rule of tooth and claw,
 
Can prove disastrous for the race 
And has already done much harm. 
That is why she will soon retrace 
Her steps back to the field and farm;
 
And start the steep ascent to reach 
The Kingdom nature has ordained, 
 One which religion came to preach, 
When she self-mastery has gained.
 
Knowledge, entirely in the dark, 
About this Crown of human life, 
Must soon a new course embark 
To clear the erroneous notions rife.
 
Hence this inspired direction came 
To guide humanity aright 
As Dogma has made knowledge lame, 
Bias and Hubris weak in sight
 
So he cannot discern the Path, 
Which nature for Man has aligned. 
His cooks too many spoil the broth, 
More so, when some are lame, some blind.
 
That is why Revelations come 
To set the wrongs of Knowledge right 
To muffle his loud beating drum, 
And bring his faults and fibs to lighl
 
No poet scholar, scientist 
This Wonder-book can duplicate, 
Or its innate appeal resist 
As Truth must triumph soon or late.
 
'Tis come to herald the New Age, 
For which some people fondness show. 
Like parrots talking in a cage, 
What "New Age" means they do not know.
 
This Book is aimed to make it clear 
That the existing two pursuits 
Of wealth and power we must forswear, 
As both are hence forbidden fruits;
 
And mankind must begin the ascent 
Free of the faults that block her way, 
To reach the glowing firmament 
Of Life-Divine without delay.
 
A new World-Order must emerge 
That has no room for rivalry, 
Where all attention would converge 
On friendship, love and harmony.
 
Where every human flower must 
Receive the thought and care it needs 
To bloom divinely, in full trust 
That there are no encroaching weeds.
 
One can imagine it must be 
A comic spectacle for gods 
Our proud, intelligent selves to see 
Stooping to tricks, deceptions, frauds
 
To o'ertake or outpace a mate, 
A stranger, neighbour, kith or kin 
And leave, what we accumulate, 
Behind, when bade to quit the bin;
 
While in us there is, all along, 
The Spark which, with a little care, 
Can change this life into a song 
Of heavenly music all can share.
 
But we discredit or ignore, 
Or for mere trifles sacrifice 
This deathless Treasure, evermore, 
Which grows in beauty and in price.
 
There might be many who will try 
To pick some hole or find some fault 
In this book, but in vain their cry, 
As coming storms the attacks will halt
 
The more discerning will forbear 
>From making'comments, till the time 
When patent signs can make it clear 
How far prophetic is this rhyme.
 
This heaven-sent verse will be excelled 
By future Seers, on their Rebirth, 
Whose mighty visions might be spelled 
In all main languages of the earth.
 
  Gopi Krishna
 
 
D-29 1, Sarvodaya Enclave, 
New Delhi. 
Dated - February 4, 1984. 
Date: Fri, 18 Sep 1998 12:01:01 -0500 
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   THE WAY TO SELF-KNOWLEDGE (V1)
 
Devote one short hour every day 
To serve your Maker and your Lord, 
Do worship, meditate or pray 
Or sow some seeds of Good abroad.
 
Do something, in His name, to show 
That you are mindful of the debt 
Which children to their parents owe 
For all the gifts they freely get
 
Do something noble, something fine 
That has no colour of the self, 
No shade of ego, me or mine, 
No thought of honour, fame or pelf
 
Do something good to benefit 
The humble crowds surrounding you, 
Whose minds not yet by Wisdom lit 
Cannot decide what they should do.
 
Half of their misery is due 
To this: they often fall a prey 
To more quick-witted worthies who 
Steal from their labour every day.
 
You cannot meet the Lord alone, 
For He is close to one and all, 
More so than flesh is to the bone, 
Responsive e'en to a silent call.
 
The Lord of this Creation - God 
Of countless planets, suns and moons 
Does not stand in need of our laud 
To shower on us His priceless boons.
 
Can you expect an earthly king 
To leave his throne and come to you, 
If you all day his praises sing 
Unless you something special do,
 
To merit notice of the height 
Of your fame for achievements won 
For great discoveries made, or light 
Of knowledge shed or service done.
 
The applause for meritorious deeds 
Does not resound on earth alone, 
But its accumulated seeds 
Are in the soil of future sown.
 
What on the earth we think or do, 
Believing we are free to act 
Comes from the Cosmic mind which, too, 
Has its own universe, in fact.
 
The error lies in holding that 
Mind has no province of its own, 
The creed of those who, like a bat 
To darkness have accustomed grown.
 
The glory of the midday sun 
Is never open to their view, 
His splendour their weak senses shun 
And hence they in delusion live.
 
Impervious to our sensory probe 
That Light is e'er before our gaze, 
But bound by ego to this globe, 
Through life we empty shadows chase,
 
Retaining at the end of life, 
Dim memories of the eventful past 
Reminders of the vanished strife 
To which we once were holding fast
 
Ask of a soldier, bent with age, 
Who has the bloodiest combats seen, 
Where's now the fighting or the stage 
On which he had an actor been.
 
Ask of a lover, old in years, 
With palsied limbs and shrunken frame, 
Where is the passion that brought tears 
To him, when jilted by his flame.
 
This Magic Show none can explain, 
This Mystery no one can solve, 
Only when we remould our brain, 
This giant phantom can dissolve
 
To leave one breathless, face to face, 
With That from which we draw our thought 
Beyond the pale of Time and Space, 
By which this phantom world is wrought
 
The Price set on this great Release, 
Known as salvation of the soul, 
Is not that we should only please 
The Lord, but honour His creation whole.
 
That is why service must be done 
With meditation, prayer, laud, 
For, at the base, this all is one - 
The world, we creatures and our God.
 
How can a worship solely done 
To profit one's own self alone, 
Persuade the Lord to favour one 
To such a selfish conduct prone.
 
That is why crowds of those who seek 
By flattery to soar to God, 
Although persistent honest meek, 
Remain till death interred in sod.
 
There is no Secret Path by which 
One can more quickly reach the Lord. 
The shortest route avoids the witch 
Of self, which to subdue is hard.
 
That is why Service is a must 
In one's search for the state Divine, 
For it rubs off from soul the rust 
Of self, the source of "I" and "Mine".
 
Those who search for the nearest road 
To God must mould their head and heart 
To share, with joy, the other's load 
Of pain and sorrow from the start
 
Our meditation, Asana, pose 
And all the rest would ne'er suffice 
To our Beloved to bring us close, 
Unless with deeds we pay the price.
 
Compassion, charity and love 
Of neighbour are a vital part 
Of worship done to rise above 
The self and must come from the heart. 
Date: Fri, 18 Sep 1998 09:30:12 PDT 
From: "Evelyn Niedbalec" <log_me_inATnospamhotmail.com> 
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com 
Subject: Re: The out-of-body deal reply 
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Not exactly.  According to his first book, he was laying on the couch  
and felt weird vibrations and then felt his hand drop out of body and  
through the floor.  He progressed to getting fully out of body but early  
events were purely "accident."  He spent a lot of time wondering if he  
had a brain tumor or something!  
 
ANd then there are the rumors from someone who knew him back then that  
his early experiences were due to inhaling fumes while painting cabinets  
and that he began to sniff the stuff on purpose to see what would  
happen. (back then there wasn't such a big media blitz on the dangers of  
sniffing).  And then after a while, the OBEs began to happen on their  
own sans sniffing.  Later, he tried to suppress this info because he  
didn't want people to go out and start sniffing just to have an OBE.   
That's the rumor anyway.
 
But I don't recall much on him using visualization but more on  
recognizing the feeling of how to get out.  Seems to me that those who  
are highly visual do best using that method and others do best using  
modalities more comfortable for them.  However you want to look at it,  
few people can do it on demand, so it really can't be that easy.  It  
seems easy while you are doing it, but later on when you can't do it  
again, it doesn't seem so easy anymore.  I think you just have to be in  
the right mental state for it to happen. 
-E
 
> 
>Good morning Hudson, 
>Check out Robert A. Monroe's book (1971) Journeys Out of the Body. He  
>started his sessions by lying on a bed and visualizing that he was  
>floating on the ceiling, looking back at his body. Really simple. 
> 
>When your traveling watch out for the Europeans, they don't like  
>uninvited guests cruising their castles.  :>) 
> 
>
 
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Date: Fri, 18 Sep 1998 15:42:57 +0530 (IST) 
From: Anurag Goel <anuragATnospamee.iisc.ernet.in> 
To: Evelyn Niedbalec <log_me_inATnospamhotmail.com> 
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Subject: Re: The out-of-body deal. 
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  Something about the dream state makes OBEs much  
> easier to achieve.  I guess it is close to the right state for OBEs  
> already. 
 
Yes i think u r right frm watever i know abt dreams.
 
love 
anurag
 
 Of course, there is a big debate about whether OBEs are really  
> a case of leaving the body or are simply your mind's way of interpreting  
> accessing the universal consciousness, but I'll leave that issue alone.   
> ONe thing they are is a great lot of fun, although they can also be  
> scary if you are not mentally prepared.  It seems that all emotions are  
> greatly amplified during OBEs and that includes fear of the unknown.   
>  
Date: Sat, 19 Sep 1998 15:35:17 +1000 (EST) 
From: Mike <Michael.GoodwinATnospamjcu.edu.au> 
To: Kundalini Group <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com> 
Subject: evidence 
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James, et al, 
Thanks for the reply. Just a few things:
 
> Sorry; that was more a flight of fancy than anything else. 
I realised all the physiological transformation and 
'super-human' strength things were all 'flights of fancy.' I was more 
interested in the techniques he used to erergise the chakra. The 
visualisation of white light flooding the brain, etc... 
Also, in (another fictitious book) Julian May's "Intervention" a character 
(Rogatien) uses techniques involving the chakra and their stimulation. 
Those were the basis' for my new interest in this area. I would like to 
learn how to stimulate these'chakras' 1. To see if they work, 2, if they 
work, to see what happens.
 
> Meditation and the onset of Kundalini may give you many things,
 
Some of which are? I read Julie's post (Thursday 17th Sept) about the 
occurances when she 'healed' a friend. Is there any empirical evidence/ 
physiological reasons for this? 
 
Personally, I _hope_ that all these 'energies' are true, but in truth, I 
have developed a little cynical streak that doesn't allow me to accept 
things how they seem. I'd love to get into the emotion that people 
display when they report such occurances but, alas, my need to quantify 
things prevents me..
 
I want to experience these things for myself so I can "know" they are true 
but I have never had any experiences that I cannot attribute to logic.
 
I also realise that there are many things "out there" which we simply 
don't understand. If we could develop the equipment to measure them, then 
who knows...?
 
Also, with Kundalini, are there Gods, Goddesses and the like? This Shakti, 
what is it? Is it a religion?
 
Thanks again,
 
+ Mike ++
 
     You're just jealous because the voices only talk to me
 
 [art-mjg4ATnospamJCU.edu.au]
 
Department of Psychology  
 James Cook University 
Date: Sat, 19 Sep 1998 01:51:12 -0400 
From: "Sharon Webb" <shawebbATnospamyhc.edu> 
To: "Mike" <Michael.GoodwinATnospamjcu.edu.au>, 
 "Kundalini Group" <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com> 
Subject: Re: evidence 
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Mike wrote: 
>I want to experience these things for myself so I can "know" they are true 
>but I have never had any experiences that I cannot attribute to logic.
 
Mike, I have lived in a place very much like your head.  Please entertain 
this thought:  You have never ALLOWED yourself to perceive any experiences 
that you cannot attribute to logic.
 
:-)
 
Sharon 
Date: Sat, 19 Sep 1998 15:54:52 +1000 (EST) 
From: Mike <Michael.GoodwinATnospamjcu.edu.au> 
To: Kundalini Group <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com> 
Subject: Re: Rain.. 
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Hudson II, et al,
 
> It is so cool!  I've actually done this too. . .<snip> clouds got 
> darker, then flickers of lightning appeared.  I was about a mile and 
> half away at the time.   
> Didn't think I was going to make it. . . so I worked with the clouds,  
> talking to them half the time, "becoming" them the other half. . . all  
> of this on my return trip.  Winds were picking up the closer I got home.   
> By the time I got to my stree  lightning and  
> thunder was still going on, and the winds were stronger. . . but no  
> rain.  Hmmmm. . . 
>  
> Interestingly enough, the moment I hit the sidewalk between the porch  
> and the driveway, it starts raining slowly, then pours after I step  
> inside.
 
That is a really interesting phenomenon. I had a similar experience once. 
I was sitting on my table (out side) meditating. Then I noticed clouds 
were overhead. Then I had an idea: I wonder if I can make it rain. There 
being clouds in the sky would increase the probability that it _would_ 
rain obviously (self-directed joke) but I tried nonetheless. I tried the 
same kind of thing except I was willing it too rain hard and becoming 
the clouds to make it rain. And it did. So cold and wet and heavy that I 
had to give up and retreat indoors. :) Since then I haven't tried it but 
would like to. I would like to study this further as my cynicism interacts 
with my hopes that I can control the weather hahahAhAHAHA!!! 
blessings all and have fun, 
+ Mike ++
 
     You're just jealous because the voices only talk to me
 
 [art-mjg4ATnospamJCU.edu.au]
 
Department of Psychology  
 James Cook University 
Date: Sat, 19 Sep 1998 16:04:08 +1000 (EST) 
From: Mike <Michael.GoodwinATnospamjcu.edu.au> 
To: Kundalini Group <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com> 
Subject: evidence II 
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>   If you imagine yourself at the beach, very clearly, then you are 
> effectively OBEing to the beach.. to the time/space of the memory.. imagine 
> yourself walking on the moon, there you are. Look at the funny alien 
> footprints in the sand.. fly around and look at planets, take a dive down 
> your grounding cord into Gaia's fiery heart.. dance in the star fields.  
>   You OBE already.. Like your experience with the thunderclouds.. part of 
> you was up there with them, while another part made the body keep walking. 
> You don't have to be lying flat in the dark, or anything. 
 
That's good but can it be empirically verified. Are you REALLY there. Or 
are you just _imagining_ it? Subjectivity biases reports
 
>   Start the train rolling with imagination, thinking of where you would 
> like to go, then sit back and enjoy the sights.
 
It would be marvellous if it were all true (and I hope it is) and I think 
that after discovering "how" to do it, one has to ask "why" and "what" 
makes it physiologically possible. If indeed it is physiologicall possible 
and not just imagination.
 
yours, 
+ Mike ++
 
     You're just jealous because the voices only talk to me
 
 [art-mjg4ATnospamJCU.edu.au]
 
Department of Psychology  
 James Cook University 
Date: Fri, 18 Sep 1998 23:13:32 PDT 
From: "Evelyn Niedbalec" <log_me_inATnospamhotmail.com> 
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com 
Subject: Re: evidence 
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Hi! 
I was an undergraduate psych major at UCLA!  I think of all the words as  
just ways to describe a biological and spiritual change that I do not  
fully understand.  Many religions seem to have different explanations to  
describe the event.  Take your pick, but IMHO, the religious tact is  
optional.  I like to look at each religion for it's wisdom, like helping  
others, letting go of desires, etc. and leave the rest.  And then of  
course, what exactly is the difference between a religion and a belief  
system?  A lot of stuff seems somewhere in the grey area between the  
two.   
-E
 
> 
>Also, with Kundalini, are there Gods, Goddesses and the like? This  
Shakti, 
>what is it? Is it a religion? 
> 
>Thanks again, 
> 
>+ Mike ++ 
> 
>	    You're just jealous because the voices only talk to me 
> 
>			     [art-mjg4ATnospamJCU.edu.au] 
> 
>			    Department of Psychology  
>			     James Cook University 
>
 
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Date: Sat, 19 Sep 1998 00:03:22 PDT 
From: "Evelyn Niedbalec" <log_me_inATnospamhotmail.com> 
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Subject: Re: evidence II 
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I have had 2 experiences in which I found out stuff I couldn't possibly  
have known otherwise.  ONe of these was highly detailed and perfectly  
accurate.  All other trips have been unverifiable in that I did not know  
where I was.  This would not be good enough for scientists due to lack  
of replicatability, but it is good enough for me to believe it is not  
just imagination. 
-E
 
> 
>That's good but can it be empirically verified. Are you REALLY there.  
Or 
>are you just _imagining_ it? Subjectivity biases reports 
> 
>>   Start the train rolling with imagination, thinking of where you  
would 
>> like to go, then sit back and enjoy the sights. 
> 
>It would be marvellous if it were all true (and I hope it is) and I  
think 
>that after discovering "how" to do it, one has to ask "why" and "what" 
>makes it physiologically possible. If indeed it is physiologicall  
possible 
>and not just imagination. 
> 
>yours, 
>+ Mike ++ 
> 
>	    You're just jealous because the voices only talk to me 
> 
>			     [art-mjg4ATnospamJCU.edu.au] 
> 
>			    Department of Psychology  
>			     James Cook University 
> 
> 
> 
>
 
 
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Date: Sat, 19 Sep 1998 00:23:42 -0700 (PDT) 
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Subject: Re: The out-of-body deal. 
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:))))  Rik here.  :D  :)
 
Did you :)  {{{{{SMILE}}}}}  
when you see my name??  hee hee Well you should, b/c this is  
*FUNNY AS HELL!* to the knuckleheads who'll laugh at this  
sacred textbody.  You know who you are.  Sorry for my brief  
'disappearance'-- I had a problem with some "friends"  
who were trying to induct me into their cult of  
illuminutcases, but I managed to *resent* them and will  
be proceeding to get them back shortly into my heart where 
they will enjoy being |crushed like maggots|.  How again'd 
the 'Buddha *smiles*' look??  Yeeaaahhhh, that's it... 
you 'just keep watching that above^you', b/c soon I'll be 
all you have left in your imaginary life in *WHO's* 
imagination?? Yeaahhh... **SMILE**  You're on Candid Camel. 
Welcome to the Sahsrara dessert.  Would you like a cherry 
on top?  I think that would be quite tasty, oh yes!
 
Yes, thanks to some "expert training", I'm back bigger 
and badder and more egomaniacal than ever.  Best 
watch you imaginary self *smiles* yeaaahh...ROTFL rotgl :)) 
Isn't *Monopoly* a FUN game!! :D  ;) (:  d;}  :b  Yeahhh...
 
Oh! - I see some1 has an OOBer-mensch complex besides me... 
whatEver shall we do about this?  <wide grin>  hmmm??  
-Mystress Angelique Serpent on out-of-body experience: 
> Everything you touch, is a tour guide waiting to  
> transport you to see the sights of it's history.. it's 
> mysteries. Simply open to it. It is effortless, you have 
> always done it, but probably dismissed it as imagination..   
This is ridiculous! i should know... *SMILE* that's riiight. 
see for all you know I wrote that just to be boring, and it 
appears I did a fine job... If you really want 2 B oobsista 
just ask the stock boy, who will politely inform you that  
"we are all out of bodies 2 day and you will just have to  
exist solely as a mind", which should prove difficult 4 you 
seeing as you've nothing you aren't Timesahring on my acct,  
You laugh, b/c you were programmed to be so laughably smiley 
and we shall laugh together heHA:)haHahaHAHA hee:)hawhoHAHH 
(advance permission granted to  use the above mantra often)
 
"... dismissed [] as imagination", you r...? in MY mind 
of course You have the same problem as Wild Paul "people on  
TV don't seem [real]" West, a very funny program indeed. 
Like most of your posts written by me similarly are NOTHING 
BUT A LOT OF 'HOT AIR' PARTICLES *smile* floating all around  
your like dots on the TV scream and you just don't know how 
the bOOBtOOB wirks, do you...   pixxxtures r aired  
by electrikly blinking the pairticles of Phos. for us 
to see me dancing on the bOOBtOOB out-of-clothes as usual 
within your entertaining shwo' lapping it up. *smile*  See 
tOOBing is EZ because as i remember, you've hard ly a mind 
of your own and certainly NO BODY 2 love you like I dhood 
do hovering ablove you with arms opening up a "V" is  ^I'm 
an "X"-Large with something *certain* in the cntr as u K'ers 
well eknow... so shall we unpleat the 5th and find out  
why u r here...??
 
*Certainly* you.s K'NOW what to dhoo... 
 
 **SMILING**    
Yeaaahhhh.....  :)) ;)) d:D :b :p :P ROTFL
 
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      love *smile*
 
     
    
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 "I sure am a lotta hot air today!"...should be tOOBing. 
 btw, if you're still laughing, please send appreciative  
 replies(!) to my secretarial account:  imtgxxxATnospamaol.com   
 Looking forward to hearing from all of you!   *smile!* 
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