1998/09/11  10:22  
 kundalini-l-d Digest V98 #649 
  
kundalini-l-d Digest				Volume 98 : Issue 649
 
Today's Topics: 
  Re: 'WHO DANIJEL, WHO?' (was re: Vie  [ Mystress Angelique Serpent <serpent ] 
  Re: Energy Fluctuations               [ Mystress Angelique Serpent <serpent ] 
  cold water treatment (was WHO? etc.)  [ Rik Wallace <love_rikATnospamyahoo.com> ] 
  Re: Excessive body heat prob          [ Danijel Turina <dturinaATnospamhempseed.co ] 
  Re: 'WHO DANIJEL, WHO?' (was re: Vie  [ Danijel Turina <dturinaATnospamhempseed.co ] 
  Re: Possibly off subject, but I am n  [ "Luba Gerasimova" <chara79ATnospamhotmail. ] 
  Scening                               [ "Debora A. Orf" <dorf01ATnospammail.win.or ] 
  International Reiki Association       [ flute <FluteATnospamcreate.org> ] 
  Re: help                              [ hbarrettATnospamix.netcom.com (Holly N. Ba ] 
  Re: help                              [ ImtgxxxATnospamaol.com ] 
  Re: Abrupt end of our series!         [ "Wonderer" <mrtn74aATnospamprodigy.com> ] 
  Rejection                             [ ImtgxxxATnospamaol.com ] 
  Re: Abrupt end of our series!         [ Danijel Turina <dturinaATnospamhempseed.co ] 
  Re: 'WHO DANIJEL, WHO?' (was re: Vie  [ Harsha <hlutharATnospambryant.edu> ] 
  Re: help                              [ Anurag Goel <anuragATnospamee.iisc.ernet.i ] 
  Re: 'WHO DANIJEL, WHO?' (was re: Vie  [ Danijel Turina <dturinaATnospamhempseed.co ] 
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1998 01:48:58 -0700 
From: Mystress Angelique Serpent <serpentATnospamdomin8rex.com> 
To: Siva <guardianATnospamxtra.co.nz> 
Cc: rik_wATnospamrocketmail.com, Danijel Turina <dturinaATnospamhempseed.com>, 
 hlutharATnospambryant.edu, kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com 
Subject: Re: 'WHO DANIJEL, WHO?' (was re: Views...IV) 
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At 07:53 PM 11/09/98 +1200, Siva wrote: 
> 
>can you two please take this to the personal mail:) 
> 
>Charan
 
  Oh, I hope they don't.. I am waiting to see Danijel run away again. 
  However, would you please learn to snip?? Objecting to the post, then 
reposting it in it's entirety is rather contradictory, Don'tcha think??  
> 
> 
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1998 03:34:39 -0700 
From: Mystress Angelique Serpent <serpentATnospamdomin8rex.com> 
To: "Hudson Jackson II" <hjackson2ATnospamhotmail.com> 
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com 
Subject: Re: Energy Fluctuations 
Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980911033439.00b34588ATnospammail.fantasycorp.com> 
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Mystress wrote: 
>>  Your unconscious can show up as anything.. I know someone whose male  
>self 
>>shows up as a dragon, and I wrote to a guy yesterday who asked about  
>this 
>>giant blue woman with a claymore whom he has been having visions of.. 
<...>Usually accompanied with k-fire blasts.. :)  
>                                           ^^^^^^^^^^^^^ 
At 03:43 PM 04/09/98 PDT, Hudson Jackson II wrote: 
>What are those? 
  Tingly goosebumpy pleasure energy ripping up your spine. In your case, 
probably accompanied with stomach rumbles..:D 
>This has helped a lot in the past week, you've told me the same thing.   
>But here's an experience where I figured that balance was indeed  
>important: 
<...> Anyways, I spent the next half hour  
>whispering obscenities vigorously at (Mary) Magdalene (the  
>representation of the "mate" you speak of). . . basically telling her to  
>go away, and not to bother me again - I've already had enough with my  
>body "rebelling". 
   Mebbie she's had enough of you rebelling??  
> 
>I heard her say for a moment "Lord, what have I done?"  She said  
>something else briefly, but I don't quite remember everything. 
> 
>My response: "It's not what's she's done, it's what she failed to.  It's  
>the things that she's been told to do, and never did; the things she's  
>been told *not* to do, and did anyway.  She never stood up for me, she  
>never once cared about what I think, nor does she ever consider the fact  
>that I have feelings.  All she does is block everything I plan to do,  
>she gets in the way all the time, and she does things without my  
>consent.  I don't want her here anymore.  She's just another witch. . ." 
   Mirror mirror, sweetie.. showing you reflections of your self, and your 
selfishness is her job.  When have you ever done these same things for her, 
eh? Eating greasy fried chicken with over processed oils that will create 
new blockages is not exactly being co-operative, eh? Do you care about what 
she thinks? Her feelings? Who is in her way? You keep using this free will 
you have to mess up your body, she is trying to fix the mess you have made 
and you wail about it. What a crybaby. How many things have you been told 
to do, by spirit,  and never done??  
  Start by thanking her for keeping your heart beating, and go from there. 
GRATITUDE!! 
  You are whining like a cranky child who threatens to run away from home 
if he doesn't get ice cream. What kind of husband is that?   
  Mary Cannot go away, and you would be a mindless vegetable if she did. No 
divorce courts for the sacred marriage, it is for life.  If you need a 
marriage counsellor, I'll give you my number.. :)  
  
>But the last straw is that I'm dealing with an unsympathetic figure. 
  She is dealing with an unsympathetic figure..You!! Her love for you is 
limitless. 
 
>  As soon as I'm satisfied that my  
>wishes are really being heard by the power within, then and only then  
>will I ever think about surrender. 
   Well, fight if you like, hold your breath till you turn blue and stamp 
your feets... but you will lose in the end.. human ego VS Kundalini? Ha! 
You are waving your free will around like it has some value.. it doesn't. 
You are only using it to do All the things you accuse Magdalene of.  
> 
>Balance, not one-sided-ness, is the key.  Just like man and woman should  
>be equal (more or less) on this earth, so both masculine and feminine  
>"aspects" be equal within. 
  EQUAL!! This lady has been working like a slave for you, running every 
cell of your body for you all your life, sorting all of your memories and 
manifesting your reality.. and you can"t even find a kind word to thank her!  
  Do yourself a favor.. get down on your hands and knees and press your 
forehead to the floor and beg her to forgive your heartless stupidity. Then 
you might make a tiny step towards being equal with her. You may want to 
take your balls and go home, but KA doesn't work like that. You asked for 
this, now the Lady is trying to do as you asked and yer bitchin. Put a sock 
in it and listen to her! The K-fire is gonna continue, regardless..and it 
can be easy, with YOUR co-operation and communication,  or it can be much 
worse than anything you have mentioned so far. The choice is yours. 
Surrender or suffer.  
  With regards to repression.. consider how you desire to repress her, then 
do the opposite.  
  Go out and enjoy the things you hate. Wallflowers always think dancing is 
stupid, eh? They repress the pleasure to repress the pain of being 
wallflowers. So, look at the things you think are stupid more closely. Look 
that the things you think are loathsome.. loathing is not disinterested 
apathy..like anger and rage, it's a passionate emotion. 
 
  BTW, you are manifesting a duality of Marys.. classic madonna/whore 
polarities. This is not unusual.. light and shadow.. my own male side 
manifested as a duality of archangels.. Michael and Lucifer.. whom I called 
Armand, before I figgered out who he really is. It took a long time for me 
to trust him fully. The love they have for each other, and the delight they 
take in their eternal good guy/bad guy games was a huge inspiration. Their 
beauty moved me to tears of joy.  
  Loving the first Mary is easy.. you have loved her always.. but you need 
to learn to love Magdalene, and trust her utterly, to become whole.  
  Blessings, Mystress.   
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1998 03:50:44 -0700 (PDT) 
From: Rik Wallace <love_rikATnospamyahoo.com> 
To: Danijel Turina <dturinaATnospamhempseed.com> 
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com 
Subject: cold water treatment (was WHO? etc.) 
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---Danijel Turina <dturinaATnospamhempseed.com> wrote:
 
> Rick, take a bucket of ice-cold water, and sit in it.  
> You might even cool off. It is known that sometimes  
> people with unbalanced energy develop excessive body  
> heat, and it can go into the brain and cause them to 
> behave all weird, you know. ;>
 
My Sat "in cold water" Guru has spoken...
 
I trust you know from experience, My Master, b/c that's 
the weirdest advice I've ever received from a Guru 
named Danijel.  Tho several others have said the exact  
same thi --    HEY, Do I know you from somewhere?? 
Haven't I seen you...  Wait, you weren't the one who... 
...  Hey!...  WHO *ARE* YOU????? 
 
      love_rikATnospamyahoo.com  
      now more confused than ever... 
      (but infinitely cooler)
 
---------------------------------------------------------- 
 ... as you hear a faint call from the depths of your 
imagination growing louder and louder... what's it saying? 
---------------------------------------------------------- 
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Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1998 12:47:10 +0200 
From: Danijel Turina <dturinaATnospamhempseed.com> 
To: "Evelyn Niedbalec" <log_me_inATnospamhotmail.com>, kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com 
Subject: Re: Excessive body heat prob 
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At 02:17 1998.09.11 PDT, Evelyn Niedbalec wrote: 
><big snip> 
> 
>>It is known that sometimes people with unbalanced energy develop 
>>excessive body heat, and it can go into the brain and cause them to  
>behave 
>>all weird, you know. ;> 
> 
>Well, it doesn't cause me to act all weird, but it does sometimes cause  
>me to be awake at 2AM feeling really hot when the outside temp is 75  
>degrees.  And interestingly enough, my body temp reads only 96.6!!   
>-E
 
The thing was a joke, of course, getting in the serious mode now...
 
<serious> 
There are two main reasons for K-heat phenomena, I don't know if it has 
anything to do with you but... the first reason is K-flow through pingala 
nadi, right side of the energy system, "solar energy". The second reason is 
imbalance on the mula-adhara chakra (root), which controls body 
temperature. The first reason is very dangerous, occurs in lousy 
implemented Kundalini-awakenings when things are forced, when the devotion 
and surrender don't lead Kundalini in susumna, and it detours into ida or 
pingala. Sometimes Kundalini goes through susumna but only up to certain 
height and then it outbursts through a chakra or some peripheral nadi, the 
most dangerous situation is when Kundalini outbursts through 
sva-adhisthana, sexual chakra, this happens with magical and sexual 
interferences, "raping Kundalini" and stuff like that, those outbursts can 
cause irreparable damage and put one in the assylum for life, if not 
corrected soon. Those outbursts are actually very easy to prevent, you just 
surrender. Some people have problems with that since they want to be in 
charge, so they make blocks on their vertical. Not a good idea. 
As for the second reason, it is encountered during K-activity on the root 
chakra's petals; one of those petals, or chakra's functions, regulates body 
temperature, and if there is uncontrolled movement there you can have 
either hot flashes, cold flashes, or in some occasions, when someone is 
trying to wake up full power of the root without cleaning it up first, you 
can heat up so badly you really have to sit in cold water for days - there 
is a yogi in Croatia, Aba Aziz Makaja, who had such problems when he was 
awakening his K. There are safer ways to awaken things; my method first 
purifies the resources of the chakras, vertically, and then you can 
activate them without having all the bad stuff pop out of the woodwork all 
the time when you are trying to concentrate. But this stuff is rather 
sophisticated and requires guidance. 
</serious> 
:)
 
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Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1998 12:55:06 +0200 
From: Danijel Turina <dturinaATnospamhempseed.com> 
To: Mystress Angelique Serpent <serpentATnospamdomin8rex.com> 
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com 
Subject: Re: 'WHO DANIJEL, WHO?' (was re: Views...IV) 
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At 01:48 1998.09.11 -0700, Mystress Angelique Serpent wrote: 
>At 07:53 PM 11/09/98 +1200, Siva wrote: 
>> 
>>can you two please take this to the personal mail:) 
>> 
>>Charan 
> 
>  Oh, I hope they don't.. I am waiting to see Danijel run away again.
 
:)))) 
Well, when signal/noise ratio gets close to zero, I usually get out of the 
way, wait until it settles down, then go back to write something with <> 0 
info contents. ;) You can see it as whatever you please.
 
----- 
E-mail  : dturinaATnospamgeocities.com 
Homepage: http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Forum/1377 
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1998 05:47:22 PDT 
From: "Luba Gerasimova" <chara79ATnospamhotmail.com> 
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com, brandonATnospamwebpower.com 
Subject: Re: Possibly off subject, but I am not sure. 
Message-ID: <19980911124722.29508.qmailATnospamhotmail.com> 
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Merry Meet all, 
This is my first time replying to anything, I mostly watch and learn,  
but I think that becoming interested in spirituality in an early age and  
even practising any of the dicsiplenes is not only normal, but also very  
good. Right now I am 19, and I have been, a Priestess for over 2 years  
and interested in spirituality for all my life.  It is an integrated  
part of my life, and I truly believe that that is the way it should be.
 
Blessed Be,
 
Chara
 
>Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 22:28:19 -0400 
>To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com 
>From: "Brandon" <brandonATnospamwebpower.com> 
>Subject: Possibly off subject, but I am not sure. 
> 
>	First, I want to say hello to everyone, and please excuse me if I seem  
to 
>get a little off the topic every once in a while. 
>Second, I was wondering what is the average age of people becoming 
>interested in this.  
>I started getting into spirituality at the age of 12. I know it is hard  
to 
>believe, but for some reason, I always have been like this for as far  
as I 
>can remember.  
>	Another thing, pertains to the previous paragraph. Is it odd for  
someone 
>to become aware of spirituality at a young age, does it happen often,  
and 
>is there anything I should be concerned about? 
> 
>
 
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Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1998 08:21:56 -0500 (CDT) 
From: "Debora A. Orf" <dorf01ATnospammail.win.org> 
To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com 
Subject: Scening 
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.3.96.980911081542.3052A-100000ATnospamwinc0> 
Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII
 
What has been scened
 
by the mind's eye today.
 
Some crazy facade of 
work and of 
laughter unconnected
 
to the streetman 
who holds the bottle close to 
his tattered shirt 
in the alley dark. 
 
the small girl 
darting after 
her ball in front 
of the drunk woman's 
car. 
 
the rows and rows 
of birds who live 
so close 
they cant even move one 
wing. 
 
the picnic park 
populus on 
blankets 
with frisbees.
 
Poolside 
lounger
 
(sun is warm today)
 
the stack 
of books 
meant to be read
 
the letter meant 
to be answered.
 
pray to stay the 
torturer's hand.
 
and dont look 
to close to 
see her face.
 
you might not 
like what 
you  
scene.
 
--some nonsense from Jhampa Tsomo 
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1998 08:33:29 -0500 
From: flute <FluteATnospamcreate.org> 
To: fluteATnospamcreate.org 
CC: "kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com" <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com> 
Subject: International Reiki Association 
Message-ID: <35F926A9.3E46ATnospamcreate.org> 
 
International Association of Reiki <reikiATnospamlbc.pvtnet.cz> 
Mari Hall.... 
This is an International Reiki Association that is led my a friend of 
mine in Prague.  Write her if you are interensting in joining. The cost 
is minimal.. $15.00. you get and card and Pen.  
 
--  
flute 
http://www.create.org/healingarts 
"The same stream of life that runs through my veins night and day runs 
through the world and dances in rhythmic measures." R. Tagore 
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1998 08:45:08 -0500 (CDT) 
From: hbarrettATnospamix.netcom.com (Holly N. Barrett, Ph.D.) 
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com 
Subject: Re: help 
Message-Id: <199809111345.IAA29304ATnospamdfw-ix4.ix.netcom.com>
 
Boy does this hit me where I live!  I've been a psychotherapist for 25  
years and K has changed (is changing) entirely how I work.  I can no  
longer work in good conscience with any kind of insurance or managed  
care company.  My fees are as low as I can manage and still pay the  
electric bill.  And at least half of my work is volunteer in  
institutions like schools and jails.  In some very subtle way, the work  
I do for free feels better.  Goddess does provide money in other ways  
sometimes, especially in the form of a supportive spouse with a  
retirement plan.  What a strange process this is!  Holly 
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1998 10:02:47 EDT 
From: ImtgxxxATnospamaol.com 
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com 
Cc: guardianATnospamxtra.co.nz 
Subject: Re: help 
Message-ID: <5e24f387.35f92d87ATnospamaol.com> 
 
In a message dated 9/11/98 9:50:59 AM Eastern Daylight Time, 
hbarrettATnospamix.netcom.com writes:
 
<< Goddess does provide money in other ways  
 sometimes, especially in the form of a supportive spouse with a  
 retirement plan.  What a strange process this is!   
 
How true this is.... 
 
Do what you love, and the money will follow....
 
This, I've discovered, includes doing what you would love to do, ie. go to 
seminars or travel to places or go or do something you would LOVE to do, and 
making a decision to just do it.  Once the decision is made, everything you 
need just comes to you.
 
So, Charan, if you want to do something but cannot afford it, just decide to 
do it anyway.  Watch everything fall in to place....  
 
I could give you loads and loads of examples and how its worked in my life. 
Money is meaningless, unless you put a value to it.  Focus on Love (ie. in 
this case, what you would love to do), and watch the miracles occur.  No need 
to judge anything or anyone then.
 
I love this place!!!
 
Love, 
xxxtg
 
* May you love all the days of your life... *
 
http://members.aol.com/Teeegeee/tgsplace.html 
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1998 10:12:29 -0400 
From: "Wonderer" <mrtn74aATnospamprodigy.com> 
To: <kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com>, "Danijel Turina" <dturinaATnospamhempseed.com> 
Subject: Re: Abrupt end of our series! 
Message-ID: <008201bddd8e$36b57c80$db5b9cd1ATnospamcathyber.TOMEN.COM> 
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 charset="iso-8859-1" 
 
Danijel wrote (snipped, here and there)...:
 
I have a nasty habit of wanting to know more about the things that I 
find interesting. :) 
>However, it's a bit strange to end the test because of, actually 
very 
>predictable, reactions on the list; come on, it is obvious that some 
will 
>find it interesting and they'll want to know more (and you never can 
tell 
>if someone has read the message which said that the questions will 
be 
>answered later, sometimes it's hard to keep up with the list), some 
people 
>will be suspicious, and some are just professional againsters. ;) 
Anyway, 
>after what I wrote, I almost expect to hear that aura around my 
brain is 
>smaller than a peanut, and that I think with my butt, and that I 
have no 
>spiritual cord. :)))) 
> 
Hi Danijel,
 
You made me laugh.  Thank you.  You are right, of course, Cosmic 
Energy may be a little thin skinned if she unsubbed after one of the 
lists milder rebuffs.  (Did she really?) However, I can feel for her. 
It's not easy for some of us to post anything, because we have to 
overcome fear of rejection.  When it comes, that rejection is 
magnified in the mind, and confirms our worst fears.  Kundalini has 
been rough on many, if not all of us at some time in our lives, or 
past existences.  We are accustomed to being hit "upside the head" 
when we err.  I came into this existence knowing that it was against 
God's laws to cause suffering to others.  That is a personal choice. 
I try to be gentle, if I can, but sometimes I fail because I am only 
human.  I have asked the kundalini to treat me gently and, for my 
part, I have agreed to do my best to have an open mind and learn the 
lessons given to me.
 
As an aside, Danijel, I still have not figured out what really makes 
you tick.  Your Sai Baba post was incredible, and it contradicts many 
wonderful things I have read about the man.  You are alternately very 
witty, funny, and then argumentative.  You certainly are interesting.
 
In Loving Light,
 
Cathy 
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1998 10:53:08 EDT 
From: ImtgxxxATnospamaol.com 
To: mrtn74aATnospamProdigy.Com 
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com 
Subject: Rejection 
Message-ID: <f22edf3b.35f93954ATnospamaol.com> 
 
In a message dated 9/11/98 10:11:27 AM Eastern Daylight Time, 
mrtn74aATnospamprodigy.com writes:
 
<< It's not easy for some of us to post anything, because we have to 
 overcome fear of rejection.  When it comes, that rejection is 
 magnified in the mind, and confirms our worst fears 
 
Hi Cathy...
 
I, too went through this fear.  What I found is there is no need to overcome 
fear of rejection - which I thought also!   That is learning something, and no 
matter what I tried, I failed.  
 
The key is *unlearning* what we think we know, so that the Truth will set us 
free -- The ol' chipping away method.  
 
What I needed to unlearn was the meaning, the value, I placed on words spoken. 
We have all placed a value on them - they can be kind, they can be mean and 
hurtful -- all these thing we have valued can be harmful indeed!  
 
But words cannot hurt you in Truth.  I wish for you to truly see this so that 
you may post and speak without fear, knowing that whatever you say is perfect 
for whatever reason.  
 
Ask to unlearn the meaning and value you have placed upon words to see the 
Truth.  And trust that whatever occurs to teach you this, that you will learn, 
and you can do it.   I didn't think I would ever (!) unlearn this, but I swore 
to mySelf that I never ever wanted words to ever affect me again, to make me 
doubt mySelf, to make me feel afraid, to hurt me, to reject me.  I wanted to 
see what was real.  
 
Make a decision, and do it if this is something you would love in your life.  
 
Much Love, 
xxxtg
 
 * Before kundalini, I drank, smoked and used foul language  
   for no reason at all. But thanks to kundalini, I now have a reason! *
 
http://members.aol.com/Teeegeee/tgsplace.html 
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1998 17:26:44 +0200 
From: Danijel Turina <dturinaATnospamhempseed.com> 
To: "Wonderer" <mrtn74aATnospamprodigy.com>, <kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com> 
Subject: Re: Abrupt end of our series! 
Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980911172644.00942410ATnospammustafa.hempseed.com> 
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At 10:12 1998.09.11 -0400, Wonderer wrote: 
>You made me laugh.  Thank you.  You are right, of course, Cosmic 
>Energy may be a little thin skinned if she unsubbed after one of the 
>lists milder rebuffs.  
 
Well, the list responses are generally a bit (understatement!) too 
aggressive, I agree; I have witnessed some extremely unproportional 
reactions, but this was not one of them - I felt no significant hostility, 
on the contrary, a huge majority of people is just curious. 
 
>(Did she really?) However, I can feel for her. 
>It's not easy for some of us to post anything, because we have to 
>overcome fear of rejection.  When it comes, that rejection is 
>magnified in the mind, and confirms our worst fears.  Kundalini has 
>been rough on many, if not all of us at some time in our lives, or 
>past existences.  We are accustomed to being hit "upside the head" 
>when we err.  I came into this existence knowing that it was against 
>God's laws to cause suffering to others.  That is a personal choice. 
>I try to be gentle, if I can, but sometimes I fail because I am only 
>human.  I have asked the kundalini to treat me gently and, for my 
>part, I have agreed to do my best to have an open mind and learn the 
>lessons given to me.
 
I think the most dangerous thing, in general, is convincing yourself of 
your own perfection. All the major fuckups come from there, it seems. 
That's why it surprizes me when someone reacts with hurt feelings when 
his/her perfection is questioned. Come on, the issue is aura reading, not 
existence of God. :) Auras can be measured, photographed, everything. If 
someone wants to make a big mystery out of it, then I really smell a rat. I 
have a guy that makes aura photographs practically next door to me; when 
someone tells me what my aura looks like, I go next door and ask the guy to 
make a photo of me, just to be on the safe side. Then I see if the 
long-distance analisys was correct or not. And I don't think I'm special 
about this, I think it's a pretty common approach. If ms.Seema and her team 
of psychics produce accurate results, then I can say "yes, those guys know 
their stuff, I can ask them more precise questions and expect good answers, 
more detailed than I could expect a photo to be", or if they miss by a 
mile, I say "oh well, those guys are just full of hot air". 
 
>As an aside, Danijel, I still have not figured out what really makes 
>you tick.  
 
You're not the only one. :))) There is a thing in my chest that ticks 
regularly, but I don't think you had that in mind. :))))
 
>Your Sai Baba post was incredible, and it contradicts many 
>wonderful things I have read about the man.  
 
Hm, well, I actually got several horror reports about him in the mail, the 
stuff like "thank God, I'm not the only one who felt something strange 
there...". Sigh.
 
>You are alternately very 
>witty, funny, and then argumentative.  
 
Well, you won't get bored easily here. :))
 
>You certainly are interesting. 
> 
>In Loving Light,
 
;** :)
 
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E-mail  : dturinaATnospamgeocities.com 
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Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1998 12:46:00 -0400 
From: Harsha <hlutharATnospambryant.edu> 
To: rik_wATnospamrocketmail.com 
CC: Danijel Turina <dturinaATnospamhempseed.com>, kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com 
Subject: Re: 'WHO DANIJEL, WHO?' (was re: Views...IV) 
Message-ID: <35F953C8.14AC3B2EATnospambryant.edu> 
 
Rik Wallace wrote:
 
> -- EXACTLY!  That is why I have come to you, My Guru, 
>  with only one question.  'WHO ARE YOU, Danijel? WHO?' 
> 
>   > I really had it with you guys who entered samadhi state 
> > and now you think you are the self realized sages who can 
> > teach the world on Its True Nature. 
> 
>   Me too, doggone it!  Sing it Danijel!  Praise to thee! 
>    [well, he's obviously not addressing me, since I match 
>    none of that description as far as he knows.  Harsha 
>    claims to know various Samadhis, but he's upholding a 
>    career as a scholar, so why believe him? ;)  I like his 
>    writing tho... -- oops, distracted again...]
 
Harsha: Hi Rik, your posts are hilarious. I am especially impressed with 
your intuition (for when you need to get milk) and your ability to 
overcome long distances and communicate with people (by the use of 
telephone). Obviously your girlfriend is highly advanced on the 
spiritual path as well. Carry on young man. Sharpen that awareness. Why 
bother poor Danijel and ask him "Who? Who?"  He is no match for you O' 
Wise One. In any case, what answer could he possibly give? By the way, 
have you shared with the list your background? 
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1998 17:57:42 +0530 (IST) 
From: Anurag Goel <anuragATnospamee.iisc.ernet.in> 
To: Siva <guardianATnospamxtra.co.nz> 
cc: "K. list" <kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com> 
Subject: Re: help 
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.93.980911175154.11462F-100000ATnospamBhaskara> 
Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII
 
Charan we have been told by our Pujya Gurudev to heal the persons through 
kundalini without any charge( of any sort) just for the welfare of 
living beings..........
 
Even one day i was also thinkin abt this. At present i think that ppl 
charging money for it will slowly become more drawn towards earning  
money from it and deviate frm the path of true spiritual quest. 
Now it depneds to what extent they get materialistic in this and to what  
extent they fall becos of it..........
 
Rather if done free it will be all love, giving just for the sake of 
giving, no expectations....... and it will take one forward on spiritual 
quest.
 
That's wat i thought just now.......
 
love, 
anurag
 
On Fri, 11 Sep 1998, Siva wrote:
 
> Hi 
>  
> can someone help put me right, but I seem to have developed a judgemental 
> character towards other healing for money, I mean people charging a lot of 
> money for thier spiritual services. I feel it is wrong. 
> give me food for thought:) 
>  
> Charan 
>  
>  
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1998 18:59:27 +0200 
From: Danijel Turina <dturinaATnospamhempseed.com> 
To: hlutharATnospambryant.edu, rik_wATnospamrocketmail.com 
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com 
Subject: Re: 'WHO DANIJEL, WHO?' (was re: Views...IV) 
Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980911185927.00ad06d0ATnospammustafa.hempseed.com> 
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
 
At 12:46 1998.09.11 -0400, Harsha wrote: 
>Harsha: Hi Rik, your posts are hilarious. I am especially impressed with 
>your intuition (for when you need to get milk) and your ability to 
>overcome long distances and communicate with people (by the use of 
>telephone). Obviously your girlfriend is highly advanced on the 
>spiritual path as well. Carry on young man. Sharpen that awareness. Why 
>bother poor Danijel and ask him "Who? Who?"  He is no match for you O' 
>Wise One. In any case, what answer could he possibly give? By the way, 
>have you shared with the list your background?
 
Ahh, soulmates meeting, in one more life, after so many years apart... how 
touching... <snivel> <flrrrr (blowing my nose)>
 
;))))
 
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