1998/09/05 11:49
kundalini-l-d Digest V98 #632
kundalini-l-d Digest Volume 98 : Issue 632
Today's Topics: Drifting [ David Bozzi ]
Re: Ice [ nancy ] Re: more on unrequited love [ nancy ]
Re: more on unrequited love [ "foster" ] AutoPost from Kundalini Resource Cen [ Thomas dale Ritter ]
Views on Aura-(Part III) [ cosmic energy ] Re: gurus [ Anurag Goel ]
Re: AutoPost from Kundalini Resource [ "Larry Schmitz" ] archives [ "frans" ]
Re: Re: more on unrequited love [ AfperryATnospamaol.com ] Date: Sat, 05 Sep 1998 07:30:42 -0400
From: David Bozzi To: Kundalini , "iamATnospamonelist.com" ,
nonduality Subject: Drifting
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Drifting
On a raft made of precious gold.
Drifting down a raging river.
That thrusts onward.
Roaring like laughter.
(slithering)
To where ever.
To the promised land.
To no where.
To the hole.
We reach the sea.
And probe the skies of mind.
For blood.
The wine of the divine.
Clouds manifest
Serpentine dreams.
Maddening and holy.
There's fire.
And a beast.
And the storm rages on.
Deserts melt to glass and
Oceans dry up.
Under a blood red moon.
The elements retreat.
Now there's nowhere left to hide.
I can sense your presence.
And we can be.
If you'd see.
We're dreaming.
My love.
My sacred dear.
You and I are one.
Where day and night unite.
Forever.
Surrender completely.
To the void.
And collapse.
From where we come.
Drift no more.
And meet us here.
(My love)
I want to touch your face.
Like warm sunshine.
David Bozzi Poetry Web Site Coming Soon
Date: Sat, 05 Sep 1998 07:23:23 -0600
From: nancy To: kundalini-1
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guy johnson wrote:
> Hey: have to mention that the cube of ice is probably directly related
> to k in that your recent experience of the dualism of nice, pleasant > face underscored by anger, frustration and darkness is symbolically
> representing the opposite of fire, or k.
I had a similar thought. Ice could mean that the fluid movement is frozen. I think this represents frozen feelings and emotions.
Seems like some prefer to intellectualize emotions rather than feeling
them. When we do that, we're stuck. I've concluded that expressing our emotions can serve as a gateway to opening our heart and feeling those
around us.
Nancy Date: Sat, 05 Sep 1998 07:36:35 -0600
From: nancy To: vcooperATnospameagle.ptialaska.net, kundalini-1
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> REAL LOVE - it is unconditional. All *expectations* are self-serving
> & not condusive to a wholesome relationship. > Am I right? Any ideas?
> Nice post, Valerie.
I say you're right. Yet, the perplexing part for me is how do we
_really_ love unconditionally? I find that always at some level, I have expectations. Perhaps those are the repressed shadow sides of my
personality that "loving" (especially romantic love) brings out.
I don't know if I'll ever master unconditional love as a human being. Maybe that's OK. We just need to love as we can.
Nancy
Date: Sat, 5 Sep 1998 07:29:39 -0700 From: "foster"
To: , "kundalini-1" Subject: Re: more on unrequited love
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>Maybe that's OK. We just need to love as we can. >
>Nancy
I like that thought Nancy. I don't seem to have the same problem with
romantic love. When I was going thru what I thought was only my illness, I found myself falling in love with people on the street! Little old ladies,
thin jogging men, a couple with their huge sheep dogs ( and yes I fell in love with the dogs too). It was the most amazing thing, if I looked and
talked to anyone.....I loved them intensly. I had a horrible last marriage 10 years ago, from that I learned that you cannot posses, control (nor
should you try) anyone, or even expect more than they can give. But that doesn't mean you have to live with them. Children are a different matter,
because until they become responsible for themselves, you are responsible for them.
Now I seem to have no problem giving love and not recieving it back. I think that the problem with expecting something in return is the "you owe
me" thought and partly "I own you". You can love without possesion...but you should not try to do it before you can....I think that the greatest (and
worse) thing about K awakening is that things happen by themselves. When you are ready shakti will do the work. You suffer the growth pains but it
is worth it in the end.....(at least it has been so far) but those days when I can barely walk, talk, or work and just forget about eating and wack out
my blood surgar, sure are a pain in the aspect. Much love, Julie
Date: Sat, 5 Sep 1998 05:45:06 -1000 (HST) From: Thomas dale Ritter
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com Subject: AutoPost from Kundalini Resource Center
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Im not to farmilar with the idea or state of medatation. i suffer from a disorder called social anxiety. it is a condition where you question your identity, your not sure who you are. I use to meditate when i was about 5 to 12 years old. at that time i was immature and i didnt know exactly what i was doing. well, somewhere along those years i developed another person inside of me. i didnt want to be "different" from the other kids. I didnt want them to joke on me all the time, so i created a more reserve and shy Thomas. I later discovered that this thomas was less open to attacks and i wasnt hurt as easily. Later in my life i went away to college and met new people. i found myself acting less shy, more intellectual, and more outgoing. One of the main problems of this disorder i have is, you behave how others expect you to behave, and that is what i have been doing the last 7 years of my life. The other day, i found myself opening up to my sister like i have never done ! !
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before. My mind was racing with ideas that have never come to my attention before. i was also having premonitions. my sister told me i was a genius and i started crying, i wanted to be "normal". she explained to me that being normal is being your self whoever that maybe. "You have lived when you do not have to be accepted to be your self". to bring my story to an conclusion, my sister was telling me about her friend medatating, but she did not explain to me how to do it. well later that day, we went to play pool and i was thinking about what she said and i stared and stared at the que ball and i went into this deep trance. it wasnt a depressing feeling but a very mellow feeling. i felt as if i was one with the earth. i got in touch deep with inside me and i could feel every body else's emotions. my mind was clear and i played pool better than i have ever played before. i felt as if the mood i was in was the key of life. i feel as if i didnt have to bragg to make m! !
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yself look good and that everybody was equal. i was in the medatating state for about three hours. it was one of the greatest feelings i have ever felt in my life. my question is, is it normal to meditate without complete concentration or silence. it seemed like i couldnt break out of the state. i was walking around downtown, talking to my friends, and watching tv while in the medating stage. I just want to know if this is normal, because my knowledge of medation is very limited. thank you, Thomas Date: Sat, 05 Sep 1998 21:15:48 +0500
From: cosmic energy To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
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Ananda, the chief disciple of Lord Buddha(Tathagat) once asked, "Guru , what is truth". Tathagat asked all his disciples to assemble. He told
them, "What I teach is not the truth." Disciples were surprised at this answer. Tathagat again clarified, " What I say and what the world says,
weigh them on the scale of your mind and follow only that which you think has weight."
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---------------- # Size of an AURA - what it depicts?
Healthy Aura -------- 3 - 4 inches(uniform) Vibrant Aura -------- 5 - 7 inches.
Extra vibrant Aura -------- > 7 inches. Sick Aura --------
To: onarresATnospaminreach.com cc: hlutharATnospambryant.edu, Paul ,
kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com, kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com Subject: Re: gurus
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On Fri, 4 Sep 1998 onarresATnospaminreach.com wrote:
> dor: This is obviously the next question that comes to my mind...
> > Why does one need a guru?
Hasn't this been answered by Harsha? Guru won't leave u unless u have
realised God. It doesn't matter how much life times u take he/she will be there with u always and looking after u.
>
> And then; >
> What happens when one has an awakened K, but does not have a guru? >
One thought is that is the K fully awakenend. I was thinking earlier one day after K has been fully awakened does there remain something to be
known. I think the aura measurement posted by Cosmic Energy do suggest that one has to go still further even after k has been fully awakenend.
>
> >Harsha: The Real Guru Frees and does not bind. He has no gimmicks or tricks > >up his sleeve. There are no games to play. The True Guru is like an ice cube
> >that gently cools your consciousness and then disappears without a trace. He > >Reveals Himself as You..... Who You truly are, the Ocean of Love and
> >Awareness. > >
> > > >
> >
Date: Sat, 5 Sep 1998 21:40:26 +0530 (IST) From: Anurag Goel
To: nancy cc: vcooperATnospameagle.ptialaska.net, kundalini-1 ,
kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com Subject: Re: more on unrequited love
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> > REAL LOVE - it is unconditional. All *expectations* are self-serving
> > & not condusive to a wholesome relationship. > > Am I right? Any ideas?
> > > Nice post, Valerie.
> > I say you're right. Yet, the perplexing part for me is how do we
> _really_ love unconditionally?
Have u read abt SHREE KRISHNA AND RADHA RANI JI AND GOPIYAANS Of vraja.
I think there u will find unconditional love.
I find that always at some level, I have > expectations. Perhaps those are the repressed shadow sides of my
> personality that "loving" (especially romantic love) brings out. >
> I don't know if I'll ever master unconditional love as a human being. > Maybe that's OK.
We just need to love as we can.
>
Yes , we need to love as we can but wat's wrong in going further on the path of unconditional love.
> Nancy
love,
anurag Date: Sat, 5 Sep 1998 13:43:24 -0300
From: "Larry Schmitz" To: "Anurag Goel" ,
Cc: , "Paul" , ,
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Dear fellow Klisters:
Subject: Re: gurus
you wrote:
>> >> And then;
>> >> What happens when one has an awakened K, but does not have a guru?
>> I thought that I was having problem with spiritual guide (internal guru)...I
asked the Great White Brotherhood to send a Guide....my request was answered...one
needs to be very careful to have Guide who is "from the light".
Larry Schmitz Date: Sat, 05 Sep 1998 08:56:46 -0800
From: v To: Anurag Goel
CC: nancy , kundalini-1 , kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
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well, yes i agree it is most difficult is "unconditional love", but
in the scenario of unrequited love, for whatever reason, rather than find blame & fault with the intended recipient, or with ones self, or
try to analyze it like a failed marketting scheme, what's left but to harness that *feral power* of passion & purify it & offer it to God
unconditionally? Since the particular *loved one* is another mere mortal, fraught with shadows & inadequacies, whether such love &/or
passion is reciprocated or not, wouldn't that take conditional love into the area of capitalism anyway?
"You love me back & behave according to my expectations, & I'll do this, that, & the other thing for you, otherwise forget it?" Can anyone even
love God that way? I am analyzing love now, a most difficult task, but I am perceiving
that it is almost always digested subjectively by the lover, & passed through all those impure inner channels, before being allowed to
resonate outwards anyways. If perceived as an outside phenomenon manifested whether one is
tapped into it or not (as they all say - love makes the world go round, etc), than even the confusion of unrequited *romance* subjectively can
be seen as a spiritual purification process. It's easy to do when the loved one simply *is* outside & entirely beyond one's control &
expectations by matter of choice, for whatever reason! Being thankful for the very fact of love at all,( rather than more of
the blase boring world unaffected by passions which makes daily routine into drudgery, even a marriage gone dull & dispassionate), is the most
to be seen of such a love that involves such thwarted passions!
Anurag Goel wrote:
> Have u read abt SHREE KRISHNA AND RADHA RANI JI AND GOPIYAANS Of vraja.
> I think there u will find unconditional love.
where does one find these? are their stories on the web?
Date: Sat, 5 Sep 1998 14:47:35 -0300
From: "Larry Schmitz" To: ,
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Thomas,
You wrote:
and watching tv while in the medating stage. I just want to know if this is normal, because my knowledge of medation is very limited. thank you, Thomas
> I think what you described was more self hypnotic state rather than
meditative state. I'm very unfamiliar with this subject & am sure you will get very good
replies.
Larry Schmitz Date: Sat, 5 Sep 1998 13:36:37 EDT
From: DruoutATnospamaol.com To: vcooperATnospameagle.ptialaska.net, kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
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In a message dated 98-09-05 13:00:33 EDT, you write:
< Being thankful for the very fact of love at all, >>
Dear Valerie,
Thanks for this! What's interesting is the freedom and blissful joy this
allows. No expectations--therefore no anxiety. no fear. It's a part of acceptance and contentment with what *is*.
Love, Hillary
Date: Sat, 05 Sep 1998 21:19:53 +0500 From: cosmic energy
To: Zarko Kecman Subject: HAPPY BIRTHDAY
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My dear Zarko Kecman:
Youngman, welcome to the List. HAPPY BIRTHDAY! Your aura reading is as under :
1. Prominent aura of size above 8 inches and Kundalini awakening is complete, which we did not notice in anyone in the List, since our joining it.
2. Aura of pineal is thrice that of pituitary,which reveals ESP ability. Since the Aura can be sensed backwards also, it is found that your aura was
a wonderful 10 inches, in your past life (at the same age).So , from this reading one can presume that - you have taken rebirth to fulfil some
unfulfilled task OR you have come over as a result of your mistakes, in that life-time.
The sensations you have mentioned is new for you and also odd to many ignorant souls. You can go through the details of either Edgar Cayce,who
was a wonderful psychic and was fully in the materialistic world OR you may choose to read about Ramana Maharishi, who left home at an early age in the
quest of 'Who am I' and reached spiritual heights.If you search for a spiritual Guide, we are sure you will find one in your country itself. We
are all governed by our destiny. Choose a path as per your inclination.
Read this story which one of our List friend has just quoted. Story of the zen master who dunked a student's head under water for asking
"Tell me about buddha nature". The teacher's reply was something like "When you want to know that as badly as you just now wanted air, then i can tell
you!"
If you ever think of visiting India,the land of spirituality, you are most welcome to JOIN US. Since we are into healing almost all dis-eases
(chronic /acute / incurable), with Cosmic Beam Therapy, there can neither be a dearth of material energy nor spiritual energy.
Ms.Seema.
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At 11:01 AM 8/28/98 +0200, you wrote: There is my story. Almost 20 years live in Yugoslavia (Country in South
Europe). Now, the place is >still same, but war was break a part my Country.
My first love was computers, and then I start the quest for God and cosmically questions 'Who am I', meditation or what ever you call
spiritual quest. Sincerely yours Zarko Kecman, P.S. Please don't tell me that I am mad. :)) You won't tell me anything new. :)))
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From: "frans" To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
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Hello folks, i have been playing with some archives, making them accessible.
If someone would want to have a look: http://www.keijser.com/frans
I have put there the first 100 digest of our list... history!!! Frans
Date: Sat, 5 Sep 1998 14:24:36 EDT From: AfperryATnospamaol.com
To: nancyATnospamwtp.net Cc: Kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
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Dear Nancy,
In a message dated 5/9/98 2:30:02 pm, you wrote:
>I don't know if I'll ever master unconditional love as a human being.
>Maybe that's OK. We just need to love as we can.
Spot on. Unconditional love is divine: we shall only truly manifest such love when we have become divine ourselves, but we must always aim high..........:-)
God bless,
Alan
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