1998/09/03  13:35  
 kundalini-l-d Digest V98 #625 
  
kundalini-l-d Digest				Volume 98 : Issue 625
 
Today's Topics: 
  3rd eye                               [ Maureen Heffernan <morlightATnospammhonlin ] 
  Re: Hello                             [ ImtgxxxATnospamaol.com ] 
  Itching/Crawling Sensations           [ GISLENNEATnospamaol.com ] 
  auras                                 [ "Debora A. Orf" <dorf01ATnospammail.win.or ] 
  Re: auras                             [ MoonrisempATnospamaol.com ] 
  Re: auras                             [ nancy <nancyATnospamwtp.net> ] 
  Re: auras                             [ ImtgxxxATnospamaol.com ] 
  Re: auras                             [ ImtgxxxATnospamaol.com ] 
  RE: auras                             [ "Debora A. Orf" <dorf01ATnospammail.win.or ] 
  Re: auras                             [ "Debora A. Orf" <dorf01ATnospammail.win.or ] 
  unsubscribe me or ignore please       [ "Ravynwolfe Moondancer" <applesweet ] 
  Re: Love, Consciousness, and the Unm  [ Anurag Goel <anuragATnospamBhaskara.ee.iis ] 
  Re: unsubscribe me or ignore please   [ "fuzzy" <fuzzyATnospamcyberhighway.net> ] 
  Re: unsubscribe me or ignore please   [ ImtgxxxATnospamaol.com ] 
  Re: unsubscribe me or ignore please   [ "Debora A. Orf" <dorf01ATnospammail.win.or ] 
  Re: Stuck in rut                      [ Anurag Goel <anuragATnospamBhaskara.ee.iis ] 
  Re: Stuck in rut                      [ "Debora A. Orf" <dorf01ATnospammail.win.or ] 
  gurus                                 [ "Debora A. Orf" <dorf01ATnospammail.win.or ] 
  Re: auras                             [ "Enoch.H.Haney-1" <Enoch.H.Haney-1ATnospam ] 
  premature release                     [ Barbara Alexander <nickynoodleATnospamnetr ] 
  re-auras                              [ Maureen Heffernan <morlightATnospammhonlin ] 
  re-auras                              [ Maureen Heffernan <morlightATnospammhonlin ] 
  Enforced spirituality                 [ "Paul" <paulwestATnospamstationone.demon.c ] 
Date: Thu, 03 Sep 1998 07:00:27 +0000 
From: Maureen Heffernan <morlightATnospammhonline.net> 
To: Kundalini <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com> 
Subject: 3rd eye 
Message-ID: <35EE3E8B.8532D138ATnospammhonline.net> 
 
Hi Hudon, 
  ""since I was under  
the impression that one has to do kundalini meditation to make it  
happen, something I've never had the time to do back then."" 
One does not have to be in K- meditation to have it open. I was doing 
light housework and listening to "OM" when I had the experience. 
   ""I always thought, too, that if it were truly opened, one could see 
other  
worlds, people, etc., etc., without having to go through a trance.  But  
then again, that may just be a myth I was thinking about."" 
   I don't believe one has to be in a trance for I have been wide awake 
and felt tinglings and then perhaps a month later, what I term 
flutterings. Then after that very pleasant increased flutterings to the 
point of intense humming from between the eyebows right up to the top of 
the hairline. I have always been interested in this and remember the 
writings saying to concentrate on the "tip of the nose". I used to think 
that was the end or tip of the nose,sort of like a semi-cross eyed 
position as one would do to see the 3 dimensional pictures. I know now 
that the "tip" of the nose is translated the "root" of the nose, or the 
beginning point between the eyebows. 
And yes, one will see many wonderous things. 
I also find that it usually happens when one is not trying so hard to 
make it happen. 
Fascinating subject. 
More LIGHT ! 
+ Maureen 
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1998 07:26:58 EDT 
From: ImtgxxxATnospamaol.com 
To: alan_gaskinsATnospamhotmail.com 
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com 
Subject: Re: Hello 
Message-ID: <d7069a10.35ee7d02ATnospamaol.com> 
 
In a message dated 9/3/98 2:05:21 AM Eastern Daylight Time, 
alan_gaskinsATnospamhotmail.com writes:
 
<< I'm curious if people talk about their experiences or ask forhelp in  
 figuring out what's going on? >>
 
So glad to see you posting Alan!  
 
I came here completely confused about what the heck happened to me whilst on 
this journey!  Never heard of kundalini until right prior to subbing to the 
list.   I had been searching for answers for a couple of years and was so 
happy to find everyone here.  
 
By talking about my experiences, which certainly helped me personally, I found 
there were people who did not judge my experiences (for once!).  They too, had 
been through the same thing.  They didn't look at me like I was crazy, they 
had some answers for what was going on, they had some solutions for any 
difficulties I was having - it was all just wonderful!  
 
So I think that talking about the experiences, if you haven't 'gotten it outta 
your system' and feel a need to understand it, is important.  If you don't 
feel a need, ok too.  
 
Any questions asked help not only the person asking, but may also help someone 
else who may be to shy to speak up.   For me, I talked about my experiences (a 
lot!) and asked many questions.  It was important to me to understand 
everything that happened.  And what grew from that was many new friendships 
made here.  
 
Its a good question Alan.  It helps to get us back on target for what the list 
was originated for.  But if people here don't ask questions about kundalini, 
then there is a stagnation with the list, which results in all sorts of 
strange occurrances until someone begins asking again.  
 
Much Love, 
xxxtg
 
*  I tried to get a life once, but they were out of stock *
 
http://members.aol.com/Teeegeee/tgsplace.html 
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1998 08:07:28 EDT 
From: GISLENNEATnospamaol.com 
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com 
Subject: Itching/Crawling Sensations 
Message-ID: <4ca3ec12.35ee8680ATnospamaol.com> 
 
Hi Everyone
 
   Wow, I have been feeling better for the past two days now. Now I'm just 
moody.I would like to share my horoscope for yesterday, its right on the money 
with what is happening to me.
 
<<September 2, 1998 - Virgo 
The Sun is in Virgo and the Moon is in Capricorn. Ever have the 
feeling that you're doing exactly what you ought to be doing right 
now? The very thing you were put on this planet to do? You ought to 
get that feeling today. It looks like you're being pushed in that 
direction. It's almost an uncomfortable feeling at times, but nicely 
uncomfortable. The uncomfortableness is only because you're not sure 
you're going to do as good a job as you'd like to do. Guess what? It 
doesn't matter. You get to just keep practicing until you get it 
perfect. That's one of the reasons you were selected for this 
assignment.>>
 
  Isn't that sooooo Cool!! How perfect for an Awakening!! 
Okay, now remember I told you all I was writing a book. Well can you guys 
please share your experiences with the itching and crawling sensations..I'm up 
to that part in my book and I realize i have no letters about it, except my 
own experiences. So please, please, please.......
 
Love you all.gis 
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1998 08:16:57 -0500 (CDT) 
From: "Debora A. Orf" <dorf01ATnospammail.win.org> 
To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com 
Subject: auras 
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.3.96.980903080742.22367A-100000ATnospamwinc0> 
Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII
 
hi
 
well i have been trying to be aware of 'auras' to see if yes i can sorta 
control when i do & when i do not see them. 
 
the weird thing is, everyone who i can see 'energy' around is the same 
colour, light bright blue-white. like a blue-white fog. i thought auras 
were different colours. in the past when i've seen them, i noticed green 
and magenta, now it seems all i am picking up is electric white blue, like 
spark colour. 
 
In the past when i was 'seeing' this sort of thing, i was not meditating 
or doing any sort of regular spiritual practise, now i am. 
 
thought of a few things: im seeing my own aura reflected in others thats 
why i can only see the one colour, or why in the past i could only see 
magenta and green. or: im a weirdo. 
 
its gotta be #2. nothing ever works like its supposed to for me :).
 
the worst 'aura' experience i ever had was in college (>9 years ago) and a 
lady brushed up against me and i saw alternating rods of grey and black 
and a sense of down/wrong. found out later she had terminal cancer. that 
was pretty intense. i felt like 'if i only could have done something!'.
 
enuf rambling,
 
--janpa  
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1998 09:26:50 EDT 
From: MoonrisempATnospamaol.com 
To: dorf01ATnospammail.win.org, kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com 
Subject: Re: auras 
Message-ID: <a1747eaa.35ee991aATnospamaol.com> 
 
Janpa,
 
You may be just getting in touch with their God energy that you were not able 
to see before. I usually see that and not much more, but can sense what the 
other colors are. If I just relax, I can sometimes see the other colors. 
 
I would suggest going to a public place, like an airport, and other places 
where you come into contact with a whole variety of people and just allow 
yourself to see what you need to see in them. Allow the flow of energy and 
really look at what you are seeing, sensing, and feeling. 
 
I have also found that when I am developing a new aspect, some of the old ways 
are temporarily shut down or not as available as in the past. So, don't be so 
hard on yourself and allow!
 
Hope this helps, 
Barbara 
Date: Thu, 03 Sep 1998 07:38:57 -0600 
From: nancy <nancyATnospamwtp.net> 
To: "Debora A. Orf" <dorf01ATnospammail.win.org>, 
 kundalini-1 <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com> 
Subject: Re: auras 
Message-ID: <35EE9BEE.7982C0EBATnospamwtp.net> 
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Debora A. Orf wrote:
 
> the worst 'aura' experience i ever had was in college (>9 years ago) and a 
> lady brushed up against me and i saw alternating rods of grey and black 
> and a sense of down/wrong. found out later she had terminal cancer. that 
> was pretty intense. i felt like 'if i only could have done something!'.
 
I had a similar experience with a black aura recently. My daughter and I went 
to Walmart to shop for school supplies. After a few minutes, I started 
feeling dizzy and nauseated. I told my daughter that we had to leave.
 
My daughter sees auras. After we left, she said that there was a woman with a 
black aura that was by us in the store. Yikes! Didn't really know what black 
meant, but didn't think it would be a cheerful and jolly type person. Maybe 
the vibes of that woman compelled me to leave!
 
Does anyone have a good grasp of aura colors or could someone refer a good 
book on auras?
 
Nancy 
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1998 10:25:34 EDT 
From: ImtgxxxATnospamaol.com 
To: dorf01ATnospammail.win.org 
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com 
Subject: Re: auras 
Message-ID: <4f09c53c.35eea6deATnospamaol.com> 
 
In a message dated 9/3/98 9:18:26 AM Eastern Daylight Time, 
dorf01ATnospammail.win.org writes:
 
<< thought of a few things: im seeing my own aura reflected in others thats 
 why i can only see the one colour, or why in the past i could only see 
 magenta and green. or: im a weirdo.  >>
 
LOL!  Being a weirdo can be good - they make for more interesting people...
 
It sounds as if you are more clairescent or clairaudio (can't think of the 
exact terminology for that) - I'm the same.  After a few years frustration 
trying to *see* the auras, I began trusting where I am now - my abilities I 
have.  
 
What I do is see aura's off my feelings  - they 'feel' a certain color - or 
what I *hear* they are... I just trust that to be true (whether it is or not - 
doesn't matter LOL).  As we begin trusting what we feel and hear, then this 
allows the clairovoyance to come into being - by focusing on what is, rather 
than what isn't.  
 
Love, 
xxxtg
 
* Being in the present really has its moments.... *
 
http://members.aol.com/Teeegeee/tgsplace.html 
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1998 10:41:03 EDT 
From: ImtgxxxATnospamaol.com 
To: nancyATnospamwtp.net 
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com 
Subject: Re: auras 
Message-ID: <78579f41.35eeaa7fATnospamaol.com> 
 
In a message dated 9/3/98 9:33:01 AM Eastern Daylight Time, nancyATnospamwtp.net 
writes:
 
<< Does anyone have a good grasp of aura colors or could someone refer a good 
 book on auras? >>
 
My first book was called "What color is your aura?"  - a real simple book - it 
reminded me sooo much of a personality test.  You can get a good basic 
understanding of the color meanings via that one.  I learned a lot about 
personality types with that book which helped me in my hypnosis business. 
(Liz!)
 
What I have learned to love even more is being my own person - trusting that a 
blue aura doesn't always have to mean what 'the person that wrote the book' 
means - using my own intuition for guidance.  Kinda like dreams - everyone has 
their own interpretations - that is what makes for correct guidance if we seek 
the answer from within.  Learning to Trust ourSelves.  Becoming a Master in 
our own right and not following someone else's footsteps (not knocking that as 
that is the way to learn)... 
 
but there comes a time when we must step out with our own style, not someone 
else's.   Those are the people that become like Jesus, Buddha, Picasso, Monet, 
Liberace (!), (he DID have style), Dolly Parton, Elvis, etc.... These are the 
firsts to bring their style into being rather than be a carbon copy.  
 
Much Love, 
xxxtg
 
* You can observe a lot just by watching *
 
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Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1998 10:00:03 -0500 (CDT) 
From: "Debora A. Orf" <dorf01ATnospammail.win.org> 
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com 
Subject: RE: auras 
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.3.96.980903095834.28954A-100000ATnospamwinc0> 
Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII
 
On Thu, 3 Sep 1998, Haueter, Dirk wrote:
 
> Hi, 
> my understanding from books such as "Hands of Light" by Barbara Ann Brenen 
> is that there are many layers to the aura. It could be that the layer that 
> you are tuned into has that uniform color. Other layers have more range of 
> color. Just a thought (not yet my experience). 
> Namaste
 
A long time ago i had a book by Edgar Cayce on auras. It was just a 
booklet actually. It explained all the colours. altho i dont remember most 
of it.  
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1998 10:08:39 -0500 (CDT) 
From: "Debora A. Orf" <dorf01ATnospammail.win.org> 
To: ImtgxxxATnospamaol.com 
cc: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com 
Subject: Re: auras 
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.3.96.980903100815.29485A-100000ATnospamwinc0> 
Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII
 
i did find a website on this subject (one of several)
 
it might be interesting:
 
http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Delphi/1219/auras.html 
Date: Thu, 03 Sep 1998 10:18:47 PDT 
From: "Ravynwolfe Moondancer" <applesweetATnospamhotmail.com> 
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com, hjackson2ATnospamhotmail.com, log_me_inATnospamhotmail.com 
Subject: unsubscribe me or ignore please 
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Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1998 23:07:16 +0530 (IST) 
From: Anurag Goel <anuragATnospamBhaskara.ee.iisc.ernet.in> 
To: ImtgxxxATnospamaol.com 
cc: mrtn74aATnospamprodigy.com, kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com, kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com 
Subject: Re: Love, Consciousness, and the Unmanifest 
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On Thu, 27 Aug 1998 ImtgxxxATnospamaol.com wrote:
 
> In a message dated 8/27/98 2:05:04 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 
> mrtn74aATnospamprodigy.com writes: 
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> <<  I had to change my thoughts to positive thoughts to 
>  create a positive atmosphere to reseed my circle and reverse it's 
>  direction.  In the beginning, this was not easy, because many 
>  negative effects were still powering that negative circle.   
>  
> Cathy... 
> 
 
Yes, i too found out that to get rid of negative thoughts i had to think 
them in positive sense and to think them in positive sense a strong 
mind is required so that u can change the thoughts connected with  the 
situations .Use good words even to express emotions. 
I felt that it's just like we have to go through all that unless we get it 
right...   Seems like a new birth after the negative things clear off.
 
love, 
Anurag 
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1998 10:47:20 -0700 
From: "fuzzy" <fuzzyATnospamcyberhighway.net> 
To: "Ravynwolfe Moondancer" <applesweetATnospamhotmail.com>, <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>, 
 <hjackson2ATnospamhotmail.com>, <log_me_inATnospamhotmail.com> 
Subject: Re: unsubscribe me or ignore please 
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How does someone unsubscribe from this list for awhile?  Thanks for the 
info.  I would like to unsubscribe for a time, will save the address of the 
kundalini list to subscribe again when the time is right.  Thank you ahead 
of time.
 
Sunshine 
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Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1998 13:57:30 EDT 
From: ImtgxxxATnospamaol.com 
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com 
Subject: Re: unsubscribe me or ignore please 
Message-ID: <77ee5670.35eed88aATnospamaol.com> 
 
In a message dated 9/3/98 1:19:28 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 
applesweetATnospamhotmail.com writes:
 
< unsubscribe me or ignore please >
 
OK everybody.  Turn your backs.  Shun applesweet and let's ignore her.  We 
don't want her unsubbing yet.  
 
Turning back, folding arms, 
hrmmmph, 
xxxtg
 
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Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1998 13:04:33 -0500 (CDT) 
From: "Debora A. Orf" <dorf01ATnospammail.win.org> 
To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com 
Subject: Re: unsubscribe me or ignore please 
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.3.96.980903130035.8038D-100000ATnospamwinc0> 
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from the person who always is switching between digest and 'normal':
 
to unsub from Kundalini-l send an 'unsubscribe' message to 
"kundalini-l-requestATnospamlists.execpc.com'
 
to unsub from kundalini-digest send an 'unsubscribe' message to 
'Kundalini-l-d-requestATnospamlists.execpc.com'
 
To get back on either, just send a 'subscribe' request to either address 
(depends on if you want digest or not).
 
You then have to send back one little email to the listdragon and voila 
you will be back on :).
 
this always works for me tho :)
 
--janpa 
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1998 22:55:31 +0530 (IST) 
From: Anurag Goel <anuragATnospamBhaskara.ee.iisc.ernet.in> 
To: Evelyn Niedbalec <log_me_inATnospamhotmail.com> 
cc: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com 
Subject: Re: Stuck in rut 
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.93.980903223523.8845A-100000ATnospamBhaskara> 
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>  
> >Think that u have to know and experience the supreme through kundalini  
> and 
> >if u r lazy in that how will u reach that goal before ur death. Time is 
> >ticking away second by second , day by day. Think why r u awakening ur 
> >kundalini? 
> > 
> >Love, 
> >anurag 
> 
 
> Although I don't mean to discount the benefits of enlightenment, I don't  
> think that guilt and pressure is the way to the attainment of such.
 
Going after something with all ur heart and soul is not guilt and 
pressure. Ask urself r u after it with such seriousness.
 
How does one feel for oxygen when one is under water.If the intensity of 
ones love towards GOD increases to such level only than one will be able 
to experience it. I think these r the words of RAMAKRISHNA PARAMHANSA 
   
 We  
> are all immortal.  If it takes a few extra lifetimes, that only seems of  
> importance while we are here on Earth. 
 
How many life times have we been saying this to ourselves. Only one knows 
how hard is one trying to understand the reality.
 
 But to our immortal selves, it  
> is but a tiny drop in the ocean.  We are where we are supposed to be and  
> all will make it "in the fullness of time," stealing from Babylon 5  
> here.  
 
Yes true but one can't just sit aside or be lazy thinking of above 
statement.
 
>  
> If one is conflicted about setting the time aside to meditate, then one  
> has not finished with other aspects of life yet and IMHO should do so  
> first.  We have all heard about the troubles caused by pushing the  
> kundalini too fast.  WHen one is ready, one will be drawn to do it, not  
> have to be pushed into it.  After all, we have not all come here just to  
> get back there!  
 
Yes very true one should do all of ones duties. 
Yes true the things should happen at right time but i think it depends on 
us when that right time should occur.
 
>  
> In fact I often feel that even more important than meditation, is that  
> we apply what we know of goodness to our everyday lives and look  
> honestly into ourselves to know our strengths and weaknesses.  This can  
> be done through the day while doing other things.   
> 
 
Very true, it's also one of the paths. How abt doing both simultaneously? 
I read abt one yogi who afte doing sadhanas for many years gave up with 
sadhnas and started helping the poor and neddy out. At last ne day 
Goddess GAGHDAMBA( Mother of whole world) appeared before him. He asked 
her MAA I had did sadhanas for all that years but u didn't appeared before 
me. Now after i ahve been serving porr and needy these years u appeared 
before me. MAAI clear this doubt. MAA replied saying that were 36  
doshas( I don't remember now wat kind of doshas it was mentioned there) 
inherent in u frm past lives 35 of them were taken care of by sadhanas and 
u gave up when the last one was left which was done with after serving the 
needy.
 
>Life is meant to be bitten into and chewed 
heartily!
 
Very True
 
>  
> -Evelyn     
> 
 
Love, 
Anurag 
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1998 13:10:44 -0500 (CDT) 
From: "Debora A. Orf" <dorf01ATnospammail.win.org> 
To: Anurag Goel <anuragATnospamBhaskara.ee.iisc.ernet.in> 
cc: Evelyn Niedbalec <log_me_inATnospamhotmail.com>, kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com, 
 kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com 
Subject: Re: Stuck in rut 
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.3.96.980903130856.8038E-100000ATnospamwinc0> 
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On Thu, 3 Sep 1998, Anurag Goel wrote: 
>  
> Going after something with all ur heart and soul is not guilt and 
> pressure. Ask urself r u after it with such seriousness. 
>  
> How does one feel for oxygen when one is under water.If the intensity of 
> ones love towards GOD increases to such level only than one will be able 
> to experience it. I think these r the words of RAMAKRISHNA PARAMHANSA
 
reminds me of the story of the zen master who dunked a student's head 
under water for asking "Tell me about buddhanature". The teacher's reply 
was something like "When you want to know that as badly as you just now 
wanted air, then i can tell you!"
 
maitri,
 
--janpa 
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1998 13:32:52 -0500 (CDT) 
From: "Debora A. Orf" <dorf01ATnospammail.win.org> 
To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com 
Subject: gurus 
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.3.96.980903131954.9795A-100000ATnospamwinc0> 
Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII
 
Hi,
 
i wanted to open a discussion about this topic if that's ok because the 
issue does seem to come up in various forms, the person giving Shaktipat, 
the person setting themselves up as a teacher etc. 
 
i wanted to ask the list if thats ok and on topic
 
What sort of person qualifies as a guru/teacher?
 
What sort of level of 'submission' is appropriate?
 
Does seeing the guru as god/buddha whatever mean you have to obey them 
completly?
 
What does it mean to you to say you are so & so's student? (if you are 
anyone's student :) )
 
i am someone's student. i do have a guru who is a Tibetan Khenpo (lama 
with a degree from a Sanskrit college in India). while i think he is a 
living buddha i do not think it is wrong to ask questions about anything 
he asks me, or to sometimes say 'no i cant do that'. Only once can i 
remember he told me that i had to do something, and then i could see that 
yes, it was something i did indeed need. 
 
Sometimes its karmically impossible to do something. Even if i want too!
 
what does this have to do with Kundalini? well, for me, all 
transmissions and blessing come from my guru. Do i mean the physical 
person? yes and no. the yes part is pretty obvious i think. the no part is 
more like i have a innate buddha nature too. The qualities i see in my 
guru are also in me. So i think sometimes because of the nature of 
interdependence, somethings come from 'outside' and osme from 'inside' and 
both a lot of the times. 
 
My friend told me a story of when she took our teacher to our local Iskcon 
temple's restaruant for dinner and he got into a long discussion (not in 
English) with one of the monks there. The Indian monk told my friend "You 
do very good with him". :) i love it when things like that confirm what i 
feel i already know. 
 
ok i've blabbered enough....
 
--janpa tsomo 
Date: Thu, 03 Sep 1998 12:37:13 -0500 
From: "Enoch.H.Haney-1" <Enoch.H.Haney-1ATnospamOU.EDU> 
To: ImtgxxxATnospamaol.com 
CC: nancyATnospamwtp.net, kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com 
Subject: Re: auras 
Message-ID: <35EED3C9.15BBATnospamou.edu> 
 
ImtgxxxATnospamaol.com wrote: 
>  
> In a message dated 9/3/98 9:33:01 AM Eastern Daylight Time, nancyATnospamwtp.net 
> writes: 
>  
> << Does anyone have a good grasp of aura colors or could someone refer a good 
>  book on auras? >> 
>  
> My first book was called "What color is your aura?"  - a real simple book - it 
> reminded me sooo much of a personality test.  You can get a good basic 
> understanding of the color meanings via that one.  I learned a lot about 
> personality types with that book which helped me in my hypnosis business. 
> (Liz!) 
>  
> What I have learned to love even more is being my own person - trusting that a 
> blue aura doesn't always have to mean what 'the person that wrote the book' 
> means - using my own intuition for guidance.  Kinda like dreams - everyone has 
> their own interpretations - that is what makes for correct guidance if we seek 
> the answer from within.  Learning to Trust ourSelves.  Becoming a Master in 
> our own right and not following someone else's footsteps (not knocking that as 
> that is the way to learn)... 
>  
> but there comes a time when we must step out with our own style, not someone 
> else's.   Those are the people that become like Jesus, Buddha, Picasso, Monet, 
> Liberace (!), (he DID have style), Dolly Parton, Elvis, etc.... These are the 
> firsts to bring their style into being rather than be a carbon copy. 
>  
> Much Love, 
> xxxtg 
>  
> * You can observe a lot just by watching * 
>  
> http://members.aol.com/Teeegeee/tgsplace.html 
is there any way to conciously draw upon auric energy for health, 
visions,etc.? 
 does merely being in the field of energy change the quality of the 
aura? 
Any insight?
 
Enoch 
Date: Thu, 03 Sep 1998 14:53:27 -0400 
From: Barbara Alexander <nickynoodleATnospamnetrax.net> 
To: "kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com" <kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com> 
Subject: premature release 
Message-ID: <35EEE5A6.791B3725ATnospamnetrax.net> 
 
What does one do about it?  There is so much info that its hard to know 
where to begin if you don't have much background in this area. 
  BA 
Date: Thu, 03 Sep 1998 15:26:12 +0000 
From: Maureen Heffernan <morlightATnospammhonline.net> 
To: Kundalini <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com> 
Subject: re-auras 
Message-ID: <35EEB514.E62ABD7BATnospammhonline.net> 
 
Hi Janpa, 
""thought of a few things: im seeing my own aura reflected in others 
"",I believe that to be your answer. I think we always filter through 
our own when looking at others. You'll fine tune it.Leadbeater has a 
great and short book on it. 
More Light. 
+ Maureen 
Date: Thu, 03 Sep 1998 15:32:50 +0000 
From: Maureen Heffernan <morlightATnospammhonline.net> 
To: Kundalini <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com> 
Subject: re-auras 
Message-ID: <35EEB6A2.6B8C9414ATnospammhonline.net> 
 
Dear Enoch, 
(How cool! to type that name) 
> is there any way to conciously draw upon auric energy for health,<. 
You betcha. That's what psychic vampires do to drain one of their 
energy. 
>  does merely being in the field of energy change the quality of the 
> aura? 
I think so.Being in the field of a holy or spiritual person alters ones 
vibration-aura.Can you see them? 
More Light, 
+ M 
Date: 3 Sep 98 20:41:27 +0000 
From: "Paul" <paulwestATnospamstationone.demon.co.uk> 
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com 
Subject: Enforced spirituality 
Message-Id: <OUT-35EEFEF7.MD-1.0.paulwestATnospamstationone.demon.co.uk> 
 
Hi.
 
Recently discussions of mine, mainly private ones, have led me to 
wonder that perhaps this list is recently running on hot like it is 
boiling up all its energy too fast, beacause people are putting forth 
an enforced spirituality founded in their own energies, and not 
something that is bigger than self. Probably I am part of it too. 
There have been some bickerings amongst people who normally lead us to 
believe they are better than that and various people voicing there 
opinions about it, of which this is one. But generally I feel that 
this is more to do with the fact that individual people are having 
individual relationships and are forgetting about `the many' that is 
the one. This in-fighting reinforces and affirms seperations and is 
setting a nasty aftertaste on the list. There is of course nothing I 
personally can do about it but this is my view of the matter and I 
wish to express it. I think a number of people need to look at their 
hidden /root/ feelings, which applies to myself most of all.
 
--  
Paul.
 
IRC: #amiga, Dalnet: #blitz 
WWW: http://www.stationone.demon.co.uk 
E-M: paulATnospamstationone.demon.co.uk
 
 
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