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1998/09/03 04:04
kundalini-l-d Digest V98 #624


kundalini-l-d Digest Volume 98 : Issue 624

Today's Topics:
  Re: Hello [ ImtgxxxATnospamaol.com ]
  Re: Hello [ "Autumn Sheffield" <forest_eyesATnospamhot ]
  Welcome [ Maureen Heffernan <morlightATnospammhonlin ]
  Re: Welcome [ "Autumn Sheffield" <forest_eyesATnospamhot ]
  Query [ Siva <guardianATnospamxtra.co.nz> ]
  Re: Energy problems [ Danijel Turina <dturinaATnospamhempseed.co ]
  Welcome, Autumn [ "jim privacy" <jprivacyATnospamhotmail.com ]
  (Re: I AM)... WHO??? [ Rik Wallace <love_rikATnospamyahoo.com> ]
  3d eye (was Re: Query) [ "Hudson Jackson II" <hjackson2ATnospamhotm ]
  Re: celestine prophecy [ angel3ATnospamuswest.net ]
  absent Healing [ Siva <guardianATnospamxtra.co.nz> ]
  Search Engines [ msdavidsonATnospaminame.com ]
  Re: Query [ "Mel August" <bodacia31ATnospamhotmail.com ]
  Re: absent Healing [ "Pure Heart" <pure_heartATnospamhotmail.co ]
  Is this even getting through. [ Steve Kleinfelter <smkleiATnospamepix.net> ]
  A few visions I had a few weeks ago [ Steve Kleinfelter <smkleiATnospamepix.net> ]
  Re: absent Healing [ "jim privacy" <jprivacyATnospamhotmail.com ]
  Re: Query [ "Evelyn Niedbalec" <log_me_inATnospamhotma ]
  Re: 3d eye (was Re: Query) [ "Evelyn Niedbalec" <log_me_inATnospamhotma ]
  Re: Energy Fluctuations [ "Evelyn Niedbalec" <log_me_inATnospamhotma ]
  Re: K experience? or......what? [ "Evelyn Niedbalec" <log_me_inATnospamhotma ]
  Re: Hello [ "" <alan_gaskinsATnospamhotmail.com> ]
  Re: is this part of the K experience [ "" <alan_gaskinsATnospamhotmail.com> ]
  Re: Words [ "" <alan_gaskinsATnospamhotmail.com> ]
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1998 16:27:04 EDT
From: ImtgxxxATnospamaol.com
To: forest_eyesATnospamhotmail.com
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Hello
Message-ID: <bc5f3112.35edaa18ATnospamaol.com>

In a message dated 9/2/98 2:12:16 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
forest_eyesATnospamhotmail.com writes:

<< I hope to share my own experiences and listen to others so that I know
 that I'm not going crazy or that I'm not doing things wrong. >>

Hi Autumn...

Welcome to the list! We hope you will share your experiences and especially
any questions you have that may help you deal with the kundalini.

Most everyone on the list has shared their experiences at one time or another
-- usually when they first come on here. They usually have many questions and
are trying to understand what the heck is going on.

I've been here for almost 2 years now and it has been a wonderful healing
experience for me. When I got here, I, too, thought I had gone nutzo! You
will find you are not... it is all part of the wonderful world of kundalini.

So share and ask away! If you feel uncomfortable sharing right now, just ask
any particular questions, and we'll be glad to help in whatever we can that
helped us. Everyone is different, and maybe you'll find someone (or many!)
here you can really click with, that seems to have been through the same as
you.

Glad you are here,
Love,
xxxtg

* Ward, come upstairs and talk to The Beaver *

http://members.aol.com/Teeegeee/tgsplace.html
Date: Wed, 02 Sep 1998 14:09:05 PDT
From: "Autumn Sheffield" <forest_eyesATnospamhotmail.com>
To: ImtgxxxATnospamaol.com
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Hello
Message-ID: <19980902210905.27495.qmailATnospamhotmail.com>
Content-Type: text/plain

Thanks TG,

I visited your website, it was very nice, lots of warm vibes there.
<G>.

I will probably take a little while in telling about my experiences,
like you said. Coming from, first, people thinking your crazy because
they're not in spiritual development and second, from people not
believing me because I'm "too young" and "trying to sound special".

I'm just getting used to being sure that I'm actually experiencing this
- although so far it's only during meditations. And my Astara lessons
are really helping me in giving me information on what's going on and
what to expect.

Sometimes though I hear the phrase that the spiritually advanced will
experience this and I realize that that's happening to me and I find it
hard to think of myself as spiritually advanced, I've made very human
mistakes and wonder if I deserve to be advanced sometimes...

I'm sure it's very human to doubt though. I've gained confidence in
myself in so many ways, I guess that will go away sometime too.

Thanks so much for the support, it's nice knowing that there are places
like these for such wonderful support.

Love and Light, Autumn

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Date: Wed, 02 Sep 1998 17:09:33 +0000
From: Maureen Heffernan <morlightATnospammhonline.net>
To: Kundalini <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Welcome
Message-ID: <35ED7BCD.EDFF9CFCATnospammhonline.net>

Hi Autumn,
   I have a daughter named Autumn Maureen, 19 years old. I'm also on the
Astara mailing list.
Just wanted to greet you and say Well Come.
More Light.

+ Maureen
Date: Wed, 02 Sep 1998 14:25:25 PDT
From: "Autumn Sheffield" <forest_eyesATnospamhotmail.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com, morlightATnospammhonline.net
Subject: Re: Welcome
Message-ID: <19980902212526.10494.qmailATnospamhotmail.com>
Content-Type: text/plain

Maureen,

Great to hear from you! It's so nice to find friends in so many
different places! Goes to show what a small world it is, huh?

Looking forward to hear from you soon!

Love and Light, Autumn

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Date: Thu, 03 Sep 1998 09:59:36 +1200
From: Siva <guardianATnospamxtra.co.nz>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Query
Message-Id: <199809022152.JAA19621ATnospamsmtp2.ihug.co.nz>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

Hi guys

I have a query about third eye.
I have been having some experience where my third eye place hurt a little
when ever I try to do something "super natural".
for example I try to give a clairvoyant message my third eye start to hurt
a little, or when I am in two places at once the same occurrence. when I
asked someone about it they reckon my third eye is half way open.
So far I am okay with it.
I am curious as to if there are people here who have been through the
opening of the third eye, and how it feels, also how can I use my third eye
to most utilize it. currently when I attempt to look through my third eye
most of the time I get me travelling though the darkness at an incredible
speed, kind of like in star trek warp travel. Other times I have seem the
whole galaxy swirling in front of my forehead and I was fully aware of the
fact that I could go anywhere by single thought alone, of course I haven't
been successful in achieving these things, they are feelings like having a
cake right in front of me, I can taste it and my mouth is watering, but I
can't eat it. It is really annoying to say the least!

thanks in advance
Charan
Date: Thu, 03 Sep 1998 00:19:24 +0200
From: Danijel Turina <dturinaATnospamhempseed.com>
To: hbarrettATnospamix.netcom.com (Holly N. Barrett, Ph.D.)
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Energy problems
Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980903001924.00a4ab80ATnospammustafa.hempseed.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

At 08:25 1998.09.02 -0500, Holly N. Barrett, Ph.D. wrote:
>>The important thing
>>is to align yourself with your inmost nature, and act from that
>>consciousness. Every such action is perfect.
>
>This is great! Imagine my surprise when I discovered that the quickest
>way to feel connected to God is to simply be present in my body, be
>aware of my existence, experience the "I AM." How clever of God to
>design us this way!

I don't know if God had much choice. :) We could either be or not be. If we
are, we can touch the essence of our reality. If we are not, then, well, we
are not. :)

-----
E-mail : dturinaATnospamgeocities.com
Homepage: http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Forum/1377
Date: Wed, 02 Sep 1998 15:46:35 PDT
From: "jim privacy" <jprivacyATnospamhotmail.com>
To: forest_eyesATnospamhotmail.com
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Welcome, Autumn
Message-ID: <19980902224636.2381.qmailATnospamhotmail.com>
Content-Type: text/plain

Dear Autumn:

Welcome to the k-list. You will meet some wonderful and very helpful
people here. You will meet a few flakes, too. I'll leave it up to you to
decide who's who. I won't even say which camp *I* belong to.

If anyone here gives you advice, please listen to your inner voice to
determine whether the information or suggestions apply to you or not. Be
your own judge. Don't take any advice blindly, including this very
sentence.

Please share your experiences, and ask your questions. I don't know
anything about Astara, maybe you could start by telling me about your
experiences as an Astarian, and how that's ignited your kundalini.

You are not crazy, or maybe we all are.

Glad to have you here, Autumn.

Love, -Jim

PS: the comment about "flakes" was intended as humorous, so save your
flame fest for someone else. lighten up, guys and gals. thanks.
-

I'm curious if people talk about their experiences or ask for help in
figuring out what's going on?

I'm an Astarian and the Astara exercises are what have helped me boost
my spiritual development.

I hope to share my own experiences and listen to others so that I know
that I'm not going crazy or that I'm not doing things wrong.

Thanks for listening, Autumn

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Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1998 16:32:24 -0700 (PDT)
From: Rik Wallace <love_rikATnospamyahoo.com>
To: Danijel Turina <dturinaATnospamhempseed.com>
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: (Re: I AM)... WHO???
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---Danijel Turina <dturinaATnospamhempseed.com> wrote:
> One other thing, the scriptures say that there are subtle
> (suksma, meaning astral/mental) worlds inhabited by yogis
> in the constant state of nirvikalpa samadhi. Well, so
> much for the unplugging into the absolute thing. It
> doesn't work, you still have a very real ego existing on
> some plane or another, and samadhi seems to be the way
> of avoiding the inevidable: working through the ego and
> purifying it completely, until, finally, ... now here is
> the place where I have a problem, until WHAT?
   

   "Until" nothing. S-E-L-F now.

   In time you will remember Danijel that
   the object of the game is the subject
   of this eternal sentence
   to serve the SELF by finding
   'WHO?' is the object of your
   subjective focus
   on yet another nuance of
   reality, mind, world, whatever
   is the object of your
   subjective focus
   on yet another face of
   'Who?' is the Self
   who is the object
   of the subject
   who Self
   is now.

   This is certain.
      
     love_rikATnospamyahoo.com

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Date: Wed, 02 Sep 1998 17:49:21 PDT
From: "Hudson Jackson II" <hjackson2ATnospamhotmail.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: 3d eye (was Re: Query)
Message-ID: <19980903004922.27775.qmailATnospamhotmail.com>
Content-Type: text/plain

>I have a query about third eye.
>I have been having some experience where my third eye place hurt a
little
>when ever I try to do something "super natural".
>for example I try to give a clairvoyant message my third eye start to
hurt
>a little, or when I am in two places at once the same occurrence. when
I
>asked someone about it they reckon my third eye is half way open.
>So far I am okay with it.
>I am curious as to if there are people here who have been through the
>opening of the third eye, and how it feels, also how can I use my third
eye
>to most utilize it. currently when I attempt to look through my third
eye
>most of the time I get me travelling though the darkness at an
incredible
>speed, kind of like in star trek warp travel. Other times I have
<snip>

I remember about 5 years ago I was meditating on the "3d eye" - with my
eyes closed - and within 90 seconds I actually saw a single eye. It was
quite phenominal and horrifying at the same time. The area around the
pupil and iris(?) was slightly yellowish, compared to the normal white
area that all people have.

I was never able to duplicate that, but I'm kind of curious myself as to
what the eye is supposed to signify. . . very much so, since I was under
the impression that one has to do kundalini meditation to make it
happen, something I've never had the time to do back then.

I always thought, too, that if it were truly opened, one could see other
worlds, people, etc., etc., without having to go through a trance. But
then again, that may just be a myth I was thinking about.

- Hudson

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Webmaster (n.): A spider who has achieved
enlightenment on its home turf.


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Date: Wed, 02 Sep 1998 18:45:22 -0700
From: angel3ATnospamuswest.net
To: Kat <KcliffordATnospamodyssey.on.ca>
CC: F19AshATnospamaol.com, kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: celestine prophecy
Message-ID: <35EDF4B2.5E505124ATnospamuswest.net>

I have read all three of his books....just finished the The Celestine Vision...i
was NOT disappointed in any of his books....the concepts were clear...concise,
and imho very accurate. I highly recommend any or all of james redfield's
books...the are at the very least highly inspiritional...

much peace and light
Angel
Date: Thu, 03 Sep 1998 14:00:48 +1200
From: Siva <guardianATnospamxtra.co.nz>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: absent Healing
Message-Id: <Version.32.19980903135655.00ddfc90ATnospampop.ihug.co.nz>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

Hi

I am trying to compile a list of healing centres around the world, aswell
as those people who are willing to do absent healing(and has an email
address) for someone who maybe in need.
If anyone have any info please send me.

thanks
Charan
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1998 15:21:06
From: msdavidsonATnospaminame.com
To: <libraATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Search Engines
Message-Id: <199809030158.UAA07461ATnospamy.mx.execpc.com>

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Date: Wed, 02 Sep 1998 19:53:33 PDT
From: "Mel August" <bodacia31ATnospamhotmail.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com, guardianATnospamxtra.co.nz
Subject: Re: Query
Message-ID: <19980903025334.17244.qmailATnospamhotmail.com>
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>
>Hi guys
>
>I have a query about third eye.
>I have been having some experience where my third eye place hurt a
little
>when ever I try to do something "super natural".
>for example I try to give a clairvoyant message my third eye start to
hurt
>a little, or when I am in two places at once the same occurrence. when
I
>asked someone about it they reckon my third eye is half way open.
>So far I am okay with it.
>thanks in advance
>Charan

Charen And K peoples...
   Had the experience of my third eye buzzing and warm on and off for
the last few days. Kind of a pleasant experience. Any theories? Really
would appreciate your input!! : )
Blessed Bee...
Bodacia

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Date: Wed, 02 Sep 1998 20:10:51 PDT
From: "Pure Heart" <pure_heartATnospamhotmail.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com, guardianATnospamxtra.co.nz
Subject: Re: absent Healing
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www.healers.org has a huge list of distance healers.

-Kevin

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>I am trying to compile a list of healing centres around the world,
aswell
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>address) for someone who maybe in need.
>If anyone have any info please send me.
>
>thanks
>Charan
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Date: Wed, 02 Sep 1998 23:47:41 -0700
From: Steve Kleinfelter <smkleiATnospamepix.net>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Is this even getting through.
Message-ID: <35EE3B8D.4E7BATnospamepix.net>

I hope this message is getting through because I'm really trying to post
some information on this billboard and so far have been completely
unsuccessful...can someone let me know if this is the correct address?
Thanks
Steve
Date: Thu, 03 Sep 1998 00:09:12 -0700
From: Steve Kleinfelter <smkleiATnospamepix.net>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: A few visions I had a few weeks ago
Message-ID: <35EE4098.2794ATnospamepix.net>

Ok, the reason I wanted to send a message. A few weeks ago I had a few
visions or insights, if you will. It wasn't the first time I had this
sort of thing, but these were the most intense. I took a vacation to
the beach with my girlfriend and her family. They had been there a few
days and I drove down myself to meet them. On the way down, I realized
that I had a dream of the exact event; driving there to see them. It
was a good feeling, a happy one. I had bought her a card with a picasso
on the front (the one of the hand offering flowers to the other hand).
I gave it to her when I got there the first night. The second night, we
all went out to eat. She and I were sitting beside each other at the
table when I happened to turn around...we were sitting under a print of
the exact Picasso painting.
On the way back to her house after the vacation was over, we were
driving along, I was driving. I happened to look to my left as I was
driving at some of the mountains, and I had an overwhelming sense of
realization that I was about to get into a really big confrontation with
her family. In this vision, it was two weeks ahead that this
confrontation would take place and I would be asked by her to come to
her house (we live 2 hours apart). About 2 weeks later, she called me
because her parents wanted to have a talk with her (she finally told
them that we are planning on moving in together after she graduates
college at the end of this semester). She wanted me to come to her
house to also discuss things.

Basically, three events revolving around our vacation we forsee by me.
I was just wondering if this is an awakening of Kundalini. I have only
recently (About 2 months ago) began kundalini Yoga, though I have been
studying the theories for a few months. I have also within the last 3
or 4 months become a vegetarian.

Any thoughts? I'd love to hear them!
Steve

P.S.
Sorry for the absolute enormity of this message, but it took me almost a
month and a half to figure out how to post it, so there was a lot built
up inside. :)
Date: Wed, 02 Sep 1998 21:20:51 PDT
From: "jim privacy" <jprivacyATnospamhotmail.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com, guardianATnospamxtra.co.nz
Subject: Re: absent Healing
Message-ID: <19980903042052.5678.qmailATnospamhotmail.com>
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>>>>
Hi

I am trying to compile a list of healing centres around the world,
aswell
as those people who are willing to do absent healing(and has an email
address) for someone who maybe in need.
If anyone have any info please send me.

thanks
Charan
>>>>>>

I suggest you contact flute (fluteATnospamtexas.net) for her "healing across
the internet" list. Also, the DHN Distant Healing Network. Their home
page is:

http://www.geocities.com/HotSprings/Spa/3945/index.htm

There are seveal healers on this list, feel free to contact me or the
others with a specific request.

Love and best wishes, -Jim

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Date: Wed, 02 Sep 1998 22:26:42 PDT
From: "Evelyn Niedbalec" <log_me_inATnospamhotmail.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Query
Message-ID: <19980903052644.26941.qmailATnospamhotmail.com>
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I went through a stage for some months in which the third eye hurt on
and off a lot. At first, I thought I was having some allergic reaction
to asthma meds! (didn't know about kundalini then..) After a while, it
went away and was replaced by other symptoms like tingling and pressure
(but not much pain) on top of head. Then it was a lot of irritating
itching and fatique. The whole things seems to be on hold for a while
during this dang heat wave though. Crappy sleep seems to have halted my
night time excursions.

I got most of the forehead pain during a period of high OBE activity. I
also began seeing energy fields during that time, which happened mostly
by itself. So I can't help you with learning to utilize it.
-E

>Hi guys
>
>I have a query about third eye.
>I have been having some experience where my third eye place hurt a
little
>when ever I try to do something "super natural".
>for example I try to give a clairvoyant message my third eye start to
hurt
>a little, or when I am in two places at once the same occurrence. when
I
>asked someone about it they reckon my third eye is half way open.
>So far I am okay with it.
>I am curious as to if there are people here who have been through the
>opening of the third eye, and how it feels, also how can I use my third
eye
>to most utilize it

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Date: Wed, 02 Sep 1998 22:39:45 PDT
From: "Evelyn Niedbalec" <log_me_inATnospamhotmail.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com, hjackson2ATnospamhotmail.com
Subject: Re: 3d eye (was Re: Query)
Message-ID: <19980903053950.16125.qmailATnospamhotmail.com>
Content-Type: text/plain

>I always thought, too, that if it were truly opened, one could see
other
>worlds, people, etc., etc., without having to go through a trance. But
>then again, that may just be a myth I was thinking about.

I don't think it is a question of open or not open with the third eye.
It is a question of how much influence it has on your perceptions.
Usually, the regular eyes still have control, so the third eye is
subordinate, unless you can go into a trance of some sort. Or the two
can work together, like when seeing energy fields. Sometimes, I flick
back and forth quickly between the 2 types of seeing, but so far, the
regular eyes seem to win out!
-E

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Date: Wed, 02 Sep 1998 22:50:27 PDT
From: "Evelyn Niedbalec" <log_me_inATnospamhotmail.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com, nancyATnospamwtp.net
Subject: Re: Energy Fluctuations
Message-ID: <19980903055029.14510.qmailATnospamhotmail.com>
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>
>Kat wrote:
>
>> >I don't know if anyone else has had this experience, but here's what
it
>> >feels like. I am picking up knowledge that I really haven't earned
the
>> >right to know.
>>
>> If you have gained
>> knowledge you have earned it. Perhaps not in this life time but you
have
>> earned them. Perhaps from a past life time.
>
>Well, I don't know how in the world I could have learned about database
>script writing for web sites during another lifetime! [chuckle] And
believe
>me, I sure haven't earned the knowledge!

Some say that you can have "past" lifetimes from the future. You would
of course be blocked from remembering too much of such lifetimes to
avoid spoiling the show. You could also have "past" lifetimes that took
place in the current time frame but in other parts of the world. Time
is an illusion after all.
-E

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Date: Wed, 02 Sep 1998 22:53:38 PDT
From: "Evelyn Niedbalec" <log_me_inATnospamhotmail.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: K experience? or......what?
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>Hi Kat!
>
>>>Unusual sounds are pretty common with K. Nothing to worry about. :)
>
>>How about the sightings of black type shadows floating around? Is
this part
>>of the K as well?

I have not experienced it, but I have heard a lot of people from the OBE
groups mention the black shadows or movements, especially out of the
corners of the eye, so it seems to be a common thing. I have never
heard of any bad experiences coming out of it.
-E

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Date: Wed, 02 Sep 1998 23:04:32 PDT
From: "" <alan_gaskinsATnospamhotmail.com>
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I'm curious if people talk about their experiences or ask forhelp in
figuring out what's going on?
     Both, and a very warm welcome! (but K does some strange things -
prepare to use your delete key! :-)

     Everything is relative to the mind, including the mind itself...

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Date: Wed, 02 Sep 1998 23:35:11 PDT
From: "" <alan_gaskinsATnospamhotmail.com>
To: vcooperATnospameagle.ptialaska.net, serpentATnospamdomin8rex.com
Cc: CKRESSATnospamaol.com, kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
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Well, I often tithe to the fey, and I see no harm innit..feed the
birds, including the crows and seagulls.. and I have oftennoticed if I
forget to spill a bit in toast to the Fey, especially if I amdining
outdoors, it will often "accidentally" get spilled, to remind meto mind
my
manners and include the world invisible in my considerations ofcompany.
  druid toasts the sea when he is sailing, and wind and watercarry him
well. If you tithe a bit of picnic to the ants and wasps, a weedistance
away from the picnic, they will accept the offering and leavethe table
alone. Nature has good manners..
    How very shamanic! Being part Choctaw, I had to thank you for
this...
In the Oneness,
Alan G.

     Everything is relative to the mind, including the mind itself...

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Date: Wed, 02 Sep 1998 23:40:54 PDT
From: "" <alan_gaskinsATnospamhotmail.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com, dorf01ATnospammail.win.org
Cc: kundalini-l-dATnospamlists.execpc.com
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>Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1998 08:44:07 -0500 (CDT)
>From: "Debora A. Orf" <dorf01ATnospammail.win.org>
>To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
>cc: kundalini-l-dATnospamlists.execpc.com
>Subject: Words
>
>In a word,
>
>Vibration
>colour
>light
>sound
>
>players off of
>atoms
>energy
>will
>
>deep down,
>at the base
>
>there is no base
>for words.
>
>by the shore,
>waves come
>waves go
>
>words speak,
>they are heard
>no
>more.
>
>it can be said,
>if the base
>of fuck
>and om mani padme hung
>
>is the same
>changeless,
>
>then it begs
>the question,
>which is the
>mantra,
>which is
>the defiled?
>
>what rises
>reaches
>dances
>the webs of life
>on each vibration?
>
>stay
>centered
>basecamp
>in the
>eye
>of the
>hurricane.
>
>silly
>silly
>words!
>
>--janpa
>
>
>
     LOVE THIS! THANK YOU!
NANASTE,
   Alan G. - wordsmith,coiner of the sacred mantra
"fuckit", hurricane survivor...

     Everything is relative to the mind, including the mind itself...

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