1998/08/30 18:47
kundalini-l-d Digest V98 #613
kundalini-l-d Digest Volume 98 : Issue 613
Today's Topics: Drinking and K [ nancy ]
Re: Drinking and K [ "Sharon Webb" ] Re: Last Word [ "" ]
RE: Is this part of the K experience [ "jb" ] Anybody have some extra evil? [ geoffrey33ATnospamjuno.com ]
Re: Kundalini - heart, and flow. [ Mystress Angelique Serpent ] Re: Is this part of the K experience [ "Kat" ]
Re: Is this part of the K experience [ "Kat" ] Re: Drinking and K [ Siva ]
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1998 16:36:59 -0600 From: nancy
To: kundalini-1 Subject: Drinking and K
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Hi all,
I was out last night and decided to be one of the gals so I hoisted a few beers. It's not that I don't drink, I do have a beer some evenings
or a glass of wine when I dine out. But I haven't consumed more than a couple in a long time.
I slept restlessly last night. I had these weird psychological crap
processing dreams.--far different than the shared dreams and spiritual plane dreams I usually have.
The effects of drinking were as if I had drank a case of beer, not four
beers. This morning, I was very sick. Headache, sweats, throwing up. I got up once to puke and I actually fainted! I have never fainted before
in my life! When I awoke a few seconds later, I was lying on the floor by the bathroom. I tried to arise, but for a few moments, it was like my
legs and arms wouldn't work. (I thought, this must be what dying feels like...feeling seperate from your body). Then I couldn't remember, why I
was by the bathroom or how I had gotten there.
Here's my theory. I think that as we become more spiritually awake, our bodies change dramatically. Our substance becomes "lighter." When we
engage in denser activities (like drinking alcohol), there's too much of a gap between our spirits and our bodies and the result is misalignment.
I had to get sick so I could eliminate that dense material quickly and have my body and spirit realign.
I've always rebelled against the advice from some religions and
spiritual masters about avoiding alcohol. I think I understand this now.
Has anyone else had a similar experience with their body--drinking, drugs, eating certain foods? Does anyone have another explanation of why
limited drinking could make someone so sick? I'd be very interested in other views.
Nancy
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1998 19:04:43 -0400 From: "Sharon Webb"
To: , "kundalini-1" Subject: Re: Drinking and K
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Nancy wrote:
>Has anyone else had a similar experience with their body--drinking, >drugs, eating certain foods? Does anyone have another explanation of why
>limited drinking could make someone so sick? I'd be very interested in >other views.
The only explanation that I can come up with is that k changes the metabolism---or, to be more specific, it changed mine. For example, all my
life a sweated profusely in the heat, even mild heat, but since k started I seldom sweat at all. As far as drugs, one of the pills my doc prescribed
made me sick as a dog. I took only one, but for two days I was nauseated and felt drugged out. And my food tastes changed, too. Now I eat foods so
spicy that they would have burned out my gullet before k and I have developed a distaste for lots of artificially sweetened foods.
I don't think there are hard and fast rules about all this. It seems to be
trial and error as to what k individuals can tolerate.
Love, Sharon
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1998 16:30:45 PDT From: ""
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>Lets clear this little matter up. >
>All I am saying is my mind is still open and I don't have any banned subj=
>ects. I did not even post the original "offending" Christian piece. I =
>can't abide a situation where people censor other people's thoughts. All=
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>Cathy >
> A VERY LARGE AMEN!!!
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From: "jb" To: "K. list" , "Kat"
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Katharine:
The
question of opposite I am afraid will get me to pose a question that I am sure will get me in trouble but I must ask.......if everything has
an opposite then why do enlightened people find it so hard to believe that the opposite of Good is Evil? and that we do not
necessarily get attacked by it because of our thoughts?
Jan: Opposites
are seen as a pair instead of two opposites. For someone born blind, darkness is different from what is darkness for us. Without light, no darkness. Good and
evil are the exception. These opposites do not depend on observation but on judgment and culture. In Islamic countries, wealthy men can have 4 women. It is
called "good". In Spain, it is "evil". In enlightenment, many will change. One observes what happens without judgment. Another change is
that beliefs (opinion) will disappear. Opinion is fact + emotion and the emotional part will gradually vanish. So it will be impossible to remember any
of your pains and agonies, but you will not forget when they happened or the causes. Yet emotion (but without memory) will remain for a long time, at a
deeper level, but no longer disturbing Peace. Good and Evil will even evaporate for Christians, who always believed in them. No matter "where you come
from" (religion/meditation), enlightenment will always lead one into Oneness, no matter the name it is given (nondualism would be appropriate). In
Oneness, K. will continue transforming - although Oneness doesn't change, there are many transformations.
Our thoughts do
have power: all our habits were formed by thoughts. Knowing that Good and Evil don't exist but in your mind means if something is disturbing you, there is
some "homework" to do ( awareness, surrender, meditation).
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Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1998 19:08:24 -0700 From: geoffrey33ATnospamjuno.com
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com Subject: Anybody have some extra evil?
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If anybody has found any evil, please contain it in some thing as I really would like to see some. If no one can gather any, I will have to
assume it is just some peoples opinions and is not a scientific fact.
As Jan wrote:
>Jan: Oneness is the goal of K., the state that is arrived at is (one >of) the
>state(s) of nonduality. In nondual states the "I" is missing. It is a >permanent state of Bliss.
At this stage there is a high degree of acceptance of everything. It is a place of non-judgement and non-discrimination. Everything is seen as
one energy in expression. Someone who has reached this level can not descend any lower than the buddhic plane. Evil does exit in lower
planes of consciousness but why keep your focus there? Why look for good and evil when you can look for and experience oneness? One of the
things to transcend on the path is the concept of good and evil. Also the idea of I and not I as Jan stated above.
It is much easier to be detached from daily life without the emotional
overtones of good and evil, right and wrong. But hey, if you enjoy the good/evil game, play all you want. K will
eventually bring an end to that game.
Blessings to the infinite One,
Geoffrey
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From: Mystress Angelique Serpent To: "Pure Heart"
Cc: KcliffordATnospamodyssey.on.ca, kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com Subject: Re: Kundalini - heart, and flow.
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At 10:26 AM 28/08/98 PDT, Pure Heart wrote:
>Nice post mistress. You too Darlin. Thanks for snipping! :)
>As regards to Kundalini, I never seem to hear people mention
>anything but 1/2 of the cycle - the earth power coming up through >the feet.
>Until the upper flow is active, you arein the preparatory >stages - waiting to be fertilized.
> >Kevin
That's the fun thing about K... no two awaken the same. Best to be careful with the sweeping generalizations.
I was playing with the downward flow as a little Catholic grrl in church, making the place light up, instead of listening to the mass. Especially
once I figgered out that I knew more about spirit than the priest did... I was born awakened, so that might make a difference.. but I think most folks
have awareness of the downward flow before the upward one starts to make itself noticed. I suspect that is the case with many who have some psychic
ability, but whom are not awakened.. (shrug) In a limitless universe of infinite manifestation, everything
that Can Be, Is, somewhere.. I was watching the light in my head to fall asleep in my crib.. I think
my K. worked it's way down my chakras and then back up again. Not sure tho.. My Mom has a picture of me as a teeny toddler barely able
to stand.. in sleepers and mud, with a muddy popsicle stick in my hand, standing beside a dug up planter with an odd expression on my face..
I had always remembered the picture being taken.. it was frustrating because I was urgently trying to communicate the importance of what I was
doing, and Mom & Dad were fussing about how cute I was and telling me to smile for the camera. I am not sure if I had learned to talk, yet..
An urgent need to find buried treasure was the motive... couldn't remember exactly what it was, for a long time. I barely remember making up
my mind to get out of my crib, and succeeding.. it was scary but I was motivated!! I was too little to get the doors open to dig in the garden, so
in frustration I settled for digging up a plantpot. Goddess provided the popsicle stick..
I got the rest of the memories back, a few months ago. Funny, the memories that come up as the karma unkinks...
I had awoken from a beautiful dream of an incredible loving light that was under the ground. The dream was so intense and beautiful that when I awoke
I was possessed of an urgent desire to find it immediately. I had just begun to realize to my sadness that the light was not to be
found in the plantpot, when the folks woke and found me. I wanted them to open the door so I could go dig up the light in the garden.. . instead they
made fun of me and told me to smile, waving toys and making faces. It was wretched.. I must have been able to tell them that I was looking for the
light, coz I clearly remember my Mom making a clown face like adults do at small children, and assuring me that light came from the sun, or from
flicking a light switch, and under the Earth was only darkness.. she was wrong, and I knew it, but she was not listening..
For years afterward, I liked to dig holes.. secretly hoping to find the light under the ground.. but I knew better than to tell anyone, what I was
looking for.. until finally in school we learned about volcanos, and how no-one really knows what is at the center of the Earth.. then I knew, the
light might be there, but I'd never reach it, by digging..
Last time I saw my Mom, I tried to explain to her, about the Light under the ground..
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From: "jim privacy" To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
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Nancy wrote: >Has anyone else had a similar experience with their body--drinking,
>drugs, eating certain foods? Does anyone have another explanation of >why limited drinking could make someone so sick?
When my k activity increased in the past year, I suddenly lost my
attraction to alcohol and caffeine. I used to have 2-4 shots of whiskey about 3-4 times a week; that wasn't enough to get drunk but enough to
help me relax. Now, I go months without having a single drink, or even thinking about one. And now that my liver is out of practice, it takes
only a small drink to get me sleepy or even drunk.
If you drink regularly, your body develops a tolerance, and adapts to metabolize the alcohol quicker. Same holds true for legal and illegal
drugs: witness the addict taking ever increasing doses to try to recreate the initial high.
I used to drink coffee like a java junkie: 6 - 10 cups a day. Now, I
can't tolerate more than a half a cup in the morning without triggering a massive headache. Again, I think that cutting back on caffeine has
reduced my tolerance, and made me much more sensitive to its effects.
I've been able to cut back on my prescription medications, too. Helps the budget as well as the body.
There may be a metaphysical explanation but, for me, simple biology is
enough to explain the changes in my body's tolerance for foreign substances. My biological machinery runs smoother without having to
detoxify all those non-food items. Cutting back or eliminating alcohol and caffeine -- 2 popular, legal drugs -- reduces my body's tolerance
for them.
However, biology can't explain how K took away the attraction to these substances, how it began purifying my body without my conscious
decision. I can only say I'm grateful.
Hope this addresses your question.
Love, -Jim
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Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1998 21:55:56 -0400 From: "Kat"
To: , "kundalini-1" Subject: Re: Drinking and K
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Hi Nancy,
>Here's my theory. I think that as we become more spiritually awake, our
>bodies change dramatically. Our substance becomes "lighter." When we >engage in denser activities (like drinking alcohol), there's too much of
>a gap between our spirits and our bodies and the result is misalignment. >I had to get sick so I could eliminate that dense material quickly and
>have my body and spirit realign.
Good theory! I can see it as being very possible. >
>I've always rebelled against the advice from some religions and >spiritual masters about avoiding alcohol. I think I understand this now.
Me too!!! Silly arn't we? Oh well I guess this is all part of the learning
process. >
>Has anyone else had a similar experience with their body--drinking, >drugs, eating certain foods? Does anyone have another explanation of why
>limited drinking could make someone so sick? I'd be very interested in >other views.
I can say that my eatting habits have changed a lot in these past few years.
I eat food that is good for me when it is within my choice. At the moment I am in a situation that makes this difficult and I have to eat what ever is
avalable. I feel blessed however as things could be a lot worst and I know it. There are foods that I can no longer eat that I use to enjoy. I just
figured this was all part of getting older....ya know the body saying.....forget it! I have noticed however that if I eat a diet of mainly
salads and fresh fruits that I am more proned to spiritual insights at those times. Yes I can also say drugs can and do have an effect. Whether this
has to do with the K, I am not sure. While growing I was put on a lot of different drugs to save my life more then one time. All of these drugs now
if I was to take them would kill me. My body rejects anything that it feels is artifical. This is why I am now researching the use of herbs. I should
add however that in the past many years I am healthier then I have ever been and I am very grateful for this.
In L&L & Understanding,
Katharine
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1998 22:21:08 -0400 From: "Kat"
To: "Mystress Angelique Serpent" Cc:
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Hi Mystress,
> It is letters like these, I think, that are the very best use of >bandwidth.. Yes, Kat, that is what the K. is all about. Unity. One taste
>makes it all worth it, eh, but that is just your _First_ taste.. you >realized tonight, that you had a choice, to go into the fear... you said
>yes to it, out of "enjoyment of drama".. it is one way to know you are >alive, in a _separate_ sort of way.. or you can choose to say no to the
>fear and see the world thru the eyes of your heart.. and one glimpse leads >to the next, then to the next, .. hey Kat, thanks for the experience.. I
>saw it felt it too, when I read your email. When you make a choice to be >receptive, Goddess provides..
> The Divine Beloved is All that Is. > All that Is: that wave of unity you felt, is infinite, and it's infinite
>wisdom is in charge of your future. Don't worry be happy. :)
You would not believe the pressure feeling that suddenly came across my
third eye when I read this reply. Not sure why it just did. I felt my whole body drift to the right of me. I had to concentrate strongly to get
myself back in before ???? what?? Somehow I would not be surprised if I just lost some time but I cannot be sure as I am not wearing my watch and I
can't say I noticed the time on the computer....it does seem later though. Now the top of my head is having a feeling of opening up as well. Strange?
and I am feeling very lightheaded. Maybe I am coming down with the flu? or the kundalini wants to play again
Anyways thank you for your response. I am glad that my message somehow made
it possible for you to experince the Unity feeling that I got to go through. This pleases me as I like to share anything that is good. Your last
sentence made me think of a song that I like a lot. Don't worry be happy. I can hear in my mind now that you have provoked the memory of it. Thanks.
In L&L & Understanding,
Katharine
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1998 22:10:03 -0400 From: "Kat"
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Hi VC,
>I have been having to reform my belief structures from being immune to >evil by the protection of THE LIGHT, to noticing the subtle & not so
>subtle effects of evil in a larger sense, manifest by affectations in >people absent from their bodies (like on a computer i.e.) & the workings
>of machinery or breaking down & sabotage affects thereof!
I am having to reform all of my beliefs! I think this is one of the
reason's I having been feeling lost for some time now. Ever time I think I have come up with the answer it disappears and the search begins again.
Thanks for sharing your thoughts with me but could you expand on them a bit more? I think I am missing some of the points that you were trying to get
across to me.
In L&L & Understanding,
Katharine Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1998 13:47:38 +1200
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I agree with what is said below some food thends to change your vibrations therefore slowing it down, I believe you may find the terms "thamasic",
"Satwic", useful as they catageroise the food we eat into good, okay, and bad. I also have to say these classifications were
originaly made long ago and then people took it and intepretted it and made their own classifications of it. Kind of like the bible(no offense).
But I generally go by the rule of thumb, eat food fresh when ever you can, when I say fresh I mean fresh vegetables, aswell as cooking food and eating
them fresh, compared to cooking food and keeping them in the freezer and reheating them and eating them.
I know when I eat frozen food I feel yucky! and just want sleep. with the modern life style it is hard to avoid at times, but i do my best to fix this.
As for alcohol I have got drunk before but my rule on it is I only drink when some else is buying, which hasn't happened to me in the past year. If
you find it hard to give it up you may find substituing highly potent drinks with sipping of wine, I am not sure why I say that other than the
fact i feel it is right.
Charan
>Hi Nancy,
> >>Here's my theory. I think that as we become more spiritually awake, our
>>bodies change dramatically. Our substance becomes "lighter." When we >>engage in denser activities (like drinking alcohol), there's too much of
>>a gap between our spirits and our bodies and the result is misalignment. >>I had to get sick so I could eliminate that dense material quickly and
>>have my body and spirit realign. >
>Good theory! I can see it as being very possible. >>
>>I've always rebelled against the advice from some religions and >>spiritual masters about avoiding alcohol. I think I understand this now.
> >Me too!!! Silly arn't we? Oh well I guess this is all part of the learning
>process. >>
>>Has anyone else had a similar experience with their body--drinking, >>drugs, eating certain foods? Does anyone have another explanation of why
>>limited drinking could make someone so sick? I'd be very interested in >>other views.
> >I can say that my eatting habits have changed a lot in these past few years.
>I eat food that is good for me when it is within my choice. At the moment I >am in a situation that makes this difficult and I have to eat what ever is
>avalable. I feel blessed however as things could be a lot worst and I know >it. There are foods that I can no longer eat that I use to enjoy. I just
>figured this was all part of getting older....ya know the body >saying.....forget it! I have noticed however that if I eat a diet of mainly
>salads and fresh fruits that I am more proned to spiritual insights at those >times. Yes I can also say drugs can and do have an effect. Whether this
>has to do with the K, I am not sure. While growing I was put on a lot of >different drugs to save my life more then one time. All of these drugs now
>if I was to take them would kill me. My body rejects anything that it feels >is artifical. This is why I am now researching the use of herbs. I should
>add however that in the past many years I am healthier then I have ever been >and I am very grateful for this.
> >In L&L & Understanding,
> >Katharine
>
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