1998/08/30  03:33  
 kundalini-l-d Digest V98 #610 
  
kundalini-l-d Digest				Volume 98 : Issue 610
 
Today's Topics: 
  Is this part of the K experience?     [ "Kat" <kcliffordATnospamodyssey.on.ca> ] 
  Re: kundalini and Java                [ v <madammumATnospamptialaska.net> ] 
  Re: K experience?or...what?           [ onarresATnospaminreach.com ] 
  Sparks of light..                     [ Lori Nelson <amarantATnospamunisono.net.mx ] 
  Gracias Katrina...                    [ Lori Nelson <amarantATnospamunisono.net.mx ] 
  test...                               [ Mystress Angelique Serpent <serpent ] 
  Re: kundalini and Java                [ GISLENNEATnospamaol.com (by way of sdollar ] 
  Re: kundalini and Java                [ Dharma <annfisherATnospamstic.net> (by way ] 
  Re: Christianity and Kundalini Not a  [ "Magne Aga" <magneagaATnospammonet.no> (by ] 
  Re: K experience?or...what?           [ onarresATnospaminreach.com (by way of sdol ] 
  Sparks of light..                     [ Lori Nelson <amarantATnospamunisono.net.mx ] 
  Re: K experience? or......what?       [ "Kat" <kcliffordATnospamodyssey.on.ca> (by ] 
  Re: K experience?or...what?           [ CKRESSATnospamaol.com (by way of sdollarsATnospam ] 
  Re: Stuck in rut                      [ "Evelyn Niedbalec" <log_me_inATnospamhotma ] 
  Re: kundalini and Java                [ v <madammumATnospamptialaska.net> (by way  ] 
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1998 00:33:40 -0400 
From: "Kat" <kcliffordATnospamodyssey.on.ca> 
To: <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com> 
Subject: Is this part of the K experience? 
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Hi All,
 
Last night I was in a very lets say hmmmm scared mood.  Scared of my 
future......I wanted to return to what I understood.  I know this was wrong 
but I allowed my fear to get the better of me.  I agreed to go out drinking 
with a friend of mine....we ended up leaving after just a few drinks because 
......not that I told her this as she would not of understood.....I could no 
longer handle all the emotions I was picking up from the people around me. 
I knew that most of the people in the bar even though they were smiling were 
in fact very unhappy people.  My friend then asked me if I wanted to go to a 
singles dance.  I figured what the heck and I agreed to go.
 
Now there I had a lot of fun.  I have not danced in more then 10 yrs. 
Some people here were upset as well and lonely but most of them were just 
enjoying the dancing.  Now this is where the experince came in that was 
strange to me.  As I was dancing I could acutually feel the flow of the 
music and also the emotions of the person that I was dancing with.  It was 
while I was dancing that this incredible feeling of joy rushed through my 
system and I understood why I could not go backwards!  I could not return to 
a world of negetiviity when there is a world in front of me that is full of 
wonderful discoveries.  Yes some of them will be painful and I am sure that 
I wonder once again where it is that this K is taking me but to even 
experience that joy for a brief minute or second of our times just makes it 
all worth while.  Is that feeling of oneness that I felt there for a few 
moments the drinks that I had or did it really happen and if it did was it 
part of the K?  The feeling was like I had become one with everyone in the 
room and we all became one with the energy around us.  We were all flowing 
to a tune that we could not hear unless we wanted to.  It was wonderful!  Is 
this part of the K experience as well?  If it is then I guess its not so bad 
to go through the pain!
 
In L&L & Understanding,
 
Katharine 
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1998 19:51:10 -0800 
From: v <madammumATnospamptialaska.net> 
To: GISLENNEATnospamaol.com 
CC: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com 
Subject: Re: kundalini and Java 
Message-ID: <35E8CC31.7392ATnospamptialaska.net> 
 
I'm sorry you have pain G., love & light in your direction. 
What exactly is lupus? It's a form of cancer, or something quite 
serious, isn't it? 
v
 
GISLENNEATnospamaol.com wrote: 
>  
> hi everyone 
>   This Kundalini is kicking my butt!!!!!!! I am having soo much pain, now iam 
> getting sharp pains in my neck and head...i''m wondering could this be from 
> the lupus or is it the actual kundalini..or is the lupus Kundalini? 
>   I just wish the pain would stop, so far it has been nonstop for a week. 
> Its travelling all over my body. 
>    i really didn't want to say anything cause i don't like to complain..but 
> man its like travelling all over the place. 
>   i can feel the heat in my body also...oh well, just had to let it out. Don't 
> like to tell the family cause they worry so i had to let it out to someone. 
>   sorry to be so negative!! 
>  love u all.....gis 
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1998 21:01:53 -0700 
From: onarresATnospaminreach.com 
To: CKRESSATnospamaol.com, kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com 
Subject: Re: K experience?or...what? 
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El wrote: 
>Katherine also mentions "a ringing noise like a telephone that is not 
being answered" that happens "over and over and over again."  I've heard of 
numerous cases of this phenomena, which often seems related to spirits 
trying to contact us.  In some cases they have caused actual phones in the 
home to ring repeatedly.   When answered, nobody seems to be on the line.  
 
dor: Happened the other morning at two a.m., when I answered the phone all 
I heard was a lot of "different" static on the line, I hung up and then 
picked up the phone immediately and the line was as clear as a bell... no 
pun intended... later that morning while trying to sleep, I had mega 
energies going upwards to the crown chakra, and then - wouldn't you know 
it, a loud buzz that seemed to circle the head but only buzzing in the left 
ear. After that I was left with a pain in the center of the forehead. Many 
times I've gotten up to answer the door only to find no one there, and I 
distinctly heard it ring.
 
El: > Say a prayer for protection and/or surround yourself with white light 
first to screen out lower astrals who may be messing with you.
 
dor: Very true, you may wish to put a glass filled with salt atop the 
computer as well, change the salt daily - since I've been doing this, 
nothing has happened.
 
Namaste dor 
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1998 23:39:09 -0600 (CST) 
From: Lori Nelson <amarantATnospamunisono.net.mx> 
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com 
Subject: Sparks of light.. 
Message-Id: <l03130321b20e3a012c38ATnospam[200.36.14.37]> 
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Hey Kat,
 
The spinning, the spinning, the spinning..........
 
I dance salsa, alot, and I mean, siempre, I dance more than I eat....  I 
find that dancing is a major part of my expression of K....  I'm known as a 
dancer... sounds like you will be too if you keep this up... The music 
play's me, it interprets it'self through my body and I surrender to it, 
with or without a partner (do you know salsa?)..  Another good music is 
"Music to Disappear In" by Raphael, 1 & 2 for Shakti waves and Kundalini 
grease through the Being...  Sometimes I go out (sleep) with head phones 
on, directly to that realm...
 
 There are alot of music's that I use in my movement of Kundalini..  not at 
all your standard radio top 40....  I find that lyrics are baggage, and I 
listen to alot of wordless and tongues beside my first or second, it's 
cleaner for me.   I relate to Josephine Baker... sparks be flyin'... 
Anyway... The first thing I was going to ask when I hooked up here was, 
"who dances"?!
 
Perhaps I ought to darn my leather bottoms right now and hit the floor... 
It is, after all, Saturday night....
 
Much Love, 
Loraine 
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1998 23:39:11 -0600 (CST) 
From: Lori Nelson <amarantATnospamunisono.net.mx> 
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com 
Subject: Gracias Katrina... 
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Hi Katrina,
 
Thanks for your note.....
 
It's the only show in town...  years ago when I first awoke, and coming 
into my Saturn return, my son was very young and I went into a near death 
crisis...  If it weren't for my fathers wise advice I may not have made 
it...  He said "look to God, and look at your son".  That was a huge 
initiation... and transformed every area of my life, resulting in profound 
and productive clarity...  I was cookin' like a spinnin' mandala-magnet... 
once I gained some equilibrium....  And we do dance the spiral...
 
This last equinox, Beltane, energies came over me that had me in an almost 
constant state of ecstacy, my orgasmic energy was off the charts... and I 
entered another realm of initiation...  I went into a descent that took me 
through deaths of another sort, and floored me to the point that friends 
were bringing me food.... it stripped my world right into the marrow... 
When they say "peeling the flesh"... they mean it...  I'm still somewhat 
dismembered... and treating myself with this knowlege...
 
 I am quite aware of my willingness and faith, and the path I've 
surrendered to, as well as the pain that leads to this peace. I have no 
regrets, one of my favorite quotes is "there are no victim's, only 
volenteer's...   I understand that the depths I go into and their jewels 
are to be integrated.  As you must know, the payoff;'s are outragous....
 
 I'm very well loved and cared for...  It's funny, I'm totally the 
odd-child to all my friends...  So many of them haven't a real clue, they 
haven't had the exposure.  They are very dear.  I try to "keep-up" in that 
outside world, but it just ain't me...  Yet Grace Abounds...   There's some 
kind of recognition.  I'm very discreet in my practices...  It's kinda hard 
when you're a walking wave of Kundalini to be unseen...  I put on a 
baseball cap and my son's clothes sometimes in the hopes of being 
invisible, you know, on "those" days...
 
I'm just "coming out" in the sence of explaining more of what I've been 
working with all these years.   Some know, but more and more I feel it's 
time, and wise, to lay it out simply... I have no investment in being seen 
as "normal", an absurd concept from the get-go...  Everyone knows on some 
level about these things anyway.
 
I'm in service quite a bit... which accomodates my energies a great deal. 
Some of the things and names people address me by bring a grin and 
chuckle...  I'm delighted with the receptivity and my friends are relieved 
to have some way to "classify" me....  Too funny, hu....  It's very sweet 
and beautiful to watch the softening around me...  I'm seen as the softest, 
the most couragous, the strongest, and certainly the most vulnerable... not 
to mention a few other things......  What soup this path is...
 
It's very nice to have hooked up with you all...  I don't know that I can 
keep up with the corespondance... but it's cool nevertheless...
 
Big Blessings, 
Loraine
 
---------------- 
INHERITANCE
 
My deepest sorrow 
from where it springs 
lifetimes of heartbreak 
opening rings-of awakening 
as Christ incarnates 
invitations extend 
to what ends-I truly cannot say 
but that moment by moment 
day by day 
all I can do 
is say yes as I pray 
weep and surrender 
for I Am the Temple 
My Master must enter
 
Lori Nelson 
      copy right 98'
 
 
 
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Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1998 03:24:22 -0700 
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Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1998 03:26:41 -0700 
From: GISLENNEATnospamaol.com (by way of sdollarsATnospamis.com.fj (SANDOLLARS (Andree Austin))) (by way of Mystress Angelique Serpent <serpentATnospamdomin8rex.com>) 
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com 
Subject: Re: kundalini and Java 
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hi everyone 
  This Kundalini is kicking my butt!!!!!!! I am having soo much pain, now iam 
getting sharp pains in my neck and head...i''m wondering could this be from 
the lupus or is it the actual kundalini..or is the lupus Kundalini? 
  I just wish the pain would stop, so far it has been nonstop for a week. 
Its travelling all over my body. 
   i really didn't want to say anything cause i don't like to complain..but 
man its like travelling all over the place. 
  i can feel the heat in my body also...oh well, just had to let it out. Don't 
like to tell the family cause they worry so i had to let it out to someone. 
  sorry to be so negative!! 
 love u all.....gis 
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1998 03:27:18 -0700 
From: Dharma <annfisherATnospamstic.net> (by way of sdollarsATnospamis.com.fj (SANDOLLARS (Andree Austin))) (by way of Mystress Angelique Serpent <serpentATnospamdomin8rex.com>) 
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com 
Subject: Re: kundalini and Java 
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Sharon!
 
>Something kinda weird happened.  I had a disk stuck in my floppy drive with 
>no way to get it out.  I was afraid to reboot because I figured the computer 
>would hang with a floppy in the slot.  Neither my husband nor I could get 
>the disk out. 
> 
>I had just put up some fractal Java applets on my web page and I was looking 
>at the one called 'Tunnel' when I went into some kind of k funk.  I felt all 
>sorts of energy rising and I went into an altered state.  When I came out of 
>it, the disk that was stuck in my drive was gone.  ???
 
You mean it wasn't just out of the drive?  It was vanished, disappeared, 
gone??
 
Love, 
Dharma 
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1998 03:28:12 -0700 
From: "Magne Aga" <magneagaATnospammonet.no> (by way of sdollarsATnospamis.com.fj (SANDOLLARS (Andree Austin))) (by way of Mystress Angelique Serpent <serpentATnospamdomin8rex.com>) 
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com 
Subject: Re: Christianity and Kundalini Not at Odds Here 
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---------- 
* Angelique 
> if you want to discus Christian 
> Mysticism, the web is a big place, and I would suggest you seek out 
Gnostic 
> Christianity, as it seems to be the only form that has a lot to offer a 
> Kundalite.
 
Hmm... I was just thinking about Theresa of Avilla, a female christian 
mystic preaching about the *divine sound* (AONG or *AUM*). In Eastern 
teaching it's called Nada-Yoga. Mystic experiences, buddhistic, hinduistic, 
jewish or christian, are still mystic experiences. It's the dogmas of 
ortodox churches, not only in Christianity, but in other religions too, 
which have condemned their own roots - direct experience !
 
Every religion began from direct mystic experience. They were mystery 
religions. Maybe we could say that - a mystic experience is neither 
christian, buddhistic, hinduistic or jewish. IT IS ! plain and simple.
 
So, when Shakespeare asked: "The Church ! Where is it ?" - the answer is: 
In Your Own Divine Beeing. Do not consider anyone else as your *savour*. 
Only Your own High Self is the redeemer from karma.
 
Christianity is a Word, plain and simple. And words have different 
connotations among people. Ironically, it's the ortodox christianity which 
too a large extent have destroyed its reputation. The most important thing 
too seek is TRUTH. Truth = Truth. It doesn't matter *who* told the truth.
 
Blessings from Norway 
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1998 03:28:59 -0700 
From: onarresATnospaminreach.com (by way of sdollarsATnospamis.com.fj (SANDOLLARS (Andree Austin))) (by way of Mystress Angelique Serpent <serpentATnospamdomin8rex.com>) 
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com 
Subject: Re: K experience?or...what? 
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El wrote: 
>Katherine also mentions "a ringing noise like a telephone that is not 
being answered" that happens "over and over and over again."  I've heard of 
numerous cases of this phenomena, which often seems related to spirits 
trying to contact us.  In some cases they have caused actual phones in the 
home to ring repeatedly.   When answered, nobody seems to be on the line.
 
dor: Happened the other morning at two a.m., when I answered the phone all 
I heard was a lot of "different" static on the line, I hung up and then 
picked up the phone immediately and the line was as clear as a bell... no 
pun intended... later that morning while trying to sleep, I had mega 
energies going upwards to the crown chakra, and then - wouldn't you know 
it, a loud buzz that seemed to circle the head but only buzzing in the left 
ear. After that I was left with a pain in the center of the forehead. Many 
times I've gotten up to answer the door only to find no one there, and I 
distinctly heard it ring.
 
El: > Say a prayer for protection and/or surround yourself with white light 
first to screen out lower astrals who may be messing with you.
 
dor: Very true, you may wish to put a glass filled with salt atop the 
computer as well, change the salt daily - since I've been doing this, 
nothing has happened.
 
Namaste dor 
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1998 03:28:46 -0700 
From: Lori Nelson <amarantATnospamunisono.net.mx> (by way of sdollarsATnospamis.com.fj (SANDOLLARS (Andree Austin))) (by way of Mystress Angelique Serpent <serpentATnospamdomin8rex.com>) 
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com 
Subject: Sparks of light.. 
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Hey Kat,
 
The spinning, the spinning, the spinning..........
 
I dance salsa, alot, and I mean, siempre, I dance more than I eat....  I 
find that dancing is a major part of my expression of K....  I'm known as a 
dancer... sounds like you will be too if you keep this up... The music 
play's me, it interprets it'self through my body and I surrender to it, 
with or without a partner (do you know salsa?)..  Another good music is 
"Music to Disappear In" by Raphael, 1 & 2 for Shakti waves and Kundalini 
grease through the Being...  Sometimes I go out (sleep) with head phones 
on, directly to that realm...
 
 There are alot of music's that I use in my movement of Kundalini..  not at 
all your standard radio top 40....  I find that lyrics are baggage, and I 
listen to alot of wordless and tongues beside my first or second, it's 
cleaner for me.   I relate to Josephine Baker... sparks be flyin'... 
Anyway... The first thing I was going to ask when I hooked up here was, 
"who dances"?!
 
Perhaps I ought to darn my leather bottoms right now and hit the floor... 
It is, after all, Saturday night....
 
Much Love, 
Loraine 
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1998 03:30:07 -0700 
From: "Kat" <kcliffordATnospamodyssey.on.ca> (by way of sdollarsATnospamis.com.fj (SANDOLLARS (Andree Austin))) (by way of Mystress Angelique Serpent <serpentATnospamdomin8rex.com>) 
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com 
Subject: Re: K experience? or......what? 
Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980830033007.00ca8880ATnospammail.fantasycorp.com> 
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Hi Dharma,
 
>You must be very happy to have this contact with your spiritual guide! 
>That's the important thing that's happening.  Strengthen that as you can. 
>Expect more contact with your guide in meditation, be open to hearing that 
>voice.  When it's more conscious, it won't seem like a dream.
 
I am feeled with a great deal of joy over this!  Thank you for telling me 
this. 
> 
>Unusual sounds are pretty common with K.  Nothing to worry about. :) 
How about the sightings of black type shadows floating around?  Is this part 
of the K as well? 
> 
>Should you answer the phone?  Why not, if you can?  If you see/hear things 
>symbolically in meditation, you might see a phone you could answer.  But 
>you don't seem to need this kind of symbolic interface to contact your 
>guide.  You can probably talk directly with your guide much as you did in 
>the dream, except that it will be more real and less dream-like.
 
As I am drifting off into a sleep or just waking up I often will hear a 
voice but when I go to focus in on it , I can no longer hear it.  Sometimes 
I hear a voice that seems more like a thought.....is this one of  my guides? 
> 
>What I've been doing with ringing and tones in my ears is using them in 
>meditation; you might try it.  Go into meditation, and then focus on the 
>tone you hear.  Don't think about it or try to do anything else at the same 
>time; just rest, breathe, listen to the tone.  Get into it, vibrate with 
>it, be that tone.  One note is a different vibration than another; the 
>wave-length is different. (Maybe somebody else can explain that better. :) 
>Find that vibration and be there.
 
I think you explained it quite well and I thank you for this explantion. 
> 
>Using a tone as a focus for meditation is a good way to do something else 
>than think - to meditate without thought without trying to _stop_ the 
>thoughts, see?  And for me it's a useful substitute for the music I usually 
>hear in my head.  Opera is glorious, but a simple tone is usually more 
>beneficial for meditation. :))
 
I sometimes can hear music but no radio is on.  It is usually a beautiful 
sound but when I go to try to hear it better it disappears.  I will take you 
up on your suggestion above. 
> 
>Using the tone that's loud in my ear(s) at the moment seems, in general, to 
>have good results, to lead me in good directions.  I really can't be more 
>conclusive than that, except to say that I have NOT had any bad experiences 
>from doing this.  Why not try it?
 
Okay I will! 
> 
>Better still, when you're in contact with your spiritual guide again, ask 
>him! :))  Best advice you can get!
 
Agreed!
 
In L&L & Understanding,
 
Katharine 
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1998 03:29:51 -0700 
From: CKRESSATnospamaol.com (by way of sdollarsATnospamis.com.fj (SANDOLLARS (Andree Austin))) (by way of Mystress Angelique Serpent <serpentATnospamdomin8rex.com>) 
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com 
Subject: Re: K experience?or...what? 
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Katherine wrote that her computer "is doing things completely on its own!" 
When Kundalini is active, all kinds of paranormal and other weirdness can 
occur in electrical equipment, including battery operated appliances.  I've 
known of several cases where televisions turn themselves off and on at random. 
When my Kundalini was strongest, the people next door to us told us that for 
several days in a row, their TV had been turning itself on full blast in the 
middle of the night.
 
Fires are also common occurrences in the vicinity of someone with awakened 
Kundalini.  The house on the other side of ours burned down the week my 
Kundalini rose!  Yikes -- my aura seems to extend pretty far.  Fortunately, 
nobody was hurt.  Neither of these neighbors had any idea I was undergoing a 
Kundalini awakening.
 
Katherine also mentions "a ringing noise like a telephone that is not being 
answered" that happens "over and over and over again."  I've heard of numerous 
cases of this phenomena, which often seems related to spirits trying to 
contact us.  In some cases they have caused actual phones in the home to ring 
repeatedly.   When answered, nobody seems to be on the line.  They also have 
been known to leave a series of phantom empty messages on answering machines.
 
May be that someone (probably on the other side) is trying to send a literal 
message to Katherine and is trying to get her attention through the computer 
shenanigans and telephone ringing sounds.  I would suggest meditating to get a 
sense of who it is and what the message might be.  Say a prayer for protection 
and/or surround yourself with white light first to screen out lower astrals 
who may be messing with you.
 
And pay attention to dreams; the message and source of the message may come 
through more clearly there.
 
Shanti, 
El 
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1998 03:30:33 -0700 
From: "Evelyn Niedbalec" <log_me_inATnospamhotmail.com> (by way of sdollarsATnospamis.com.fj (SANDOLLARS (Andree Austin))) (by way of Mystress Angelique Serpent <serpentATnospamdomin8rex.com>) 
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com 
Subject: Re: Stuck in rut 
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>Think that u have to know and experience the supreme through kundalini 
and 
>if u r lazy in that how will u reach that goal before ur death. Time is 
>ticking away second by second , day by day. Think why r u awakening ur 
>kundalini? 
> 
>Love, 
>anurag
 
Although I don't mean to discount the benefits of enlightenment, I don't 
think that guilt and pressure is the way to the attainment of such.  We 
are all immortal.  If it takes a few extra lifetimes, that only seems of 
importance while we are here on Earth.  But to our immortal selves, it 
is but a tiny drop in the ocean.  We are where we are supposed to be and 
all will make it "in the fullness of time," stealing from Babylon 5 
here.
 
If one is conflicted about setting the time aside to meditate, then one 
has not finished with other aspects of life yet and IMHO should do so 
first.  We have all heard about the troubles caused by pushing the 
kundalini too fast.  When one is ready, one will be drawn to do it, not 
have to be pushed into it.  After all, we have not all come here just to 
get back there!
 
In fact I often feel that even more important than meditation, is that 
we apply what we know of goodness to our everyday lives and look 
honestly into ourselves to know our strengths and weaknesses.  This can 
be done through the day while doing other things.
 
Life is meant to be bitten into and chewed heartily!
 
-Evelyn
 
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From: v <madammumATnospamptialaska.net> (by way of sdollarsATnospamis.com.fj (SANDOLLARS (Andree Austin))) (by way of Mystress Angelique Serpent <serpentATnospamdomin8rex.com>) 
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I'm sorry you have pain G., love & light in your direction. 
What exactly is lupus? It's a form of cancer, or something quite 
serious, isn't it? 
v
 
GISLENNEATnospamaol.com wrote: 
> 
> hi everyone 
>   This Kundalini is kicking my butt!!!!!!! I am having soo much pain, now 
iam 
> getting sharp pains in my neck and head...i''m wondering could this be from 
> the lupus or is it the actual kundalini..or is the lupus Kundalini? 
>   I just wish the pain would stop, so far it has been nonstop for a week. 
> Its travelling all over my body. 
>    i really didn't want to say anything cause i don't like to complain..but 
> man its like travelling all over the place. 
>   i can feel the heat in my body also...oh well, just had to let it out. 
Don't 
> like to tell the family cause they worry so i had to let it out to someone. 
>   sorry to be so negative!! 
>  love u all.....gis
 
 
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