1998/08/29  20:29  
 kundalini-l-d Digest V98 #609 
  
kundalini-l-d Digest				Volume 98 : Issue 609
 
Today's Topics: 
  Re: I AM                              [ "" <alan_gaskinsATnospamhotmail.com> ] 
  Re: Christianity and Kundalini Not a  [ Mystress Angelique Serpent <serpent ] 
  Bible                                 [ Maureen Heffernan <morlightATnospammhonlin ] 
  evolving                              [ Maureen Heffernan <morlightATnospammhonlin ] 
  album                                 [ Maureen Heffernan <morlightATnospammhonlin ] 
  fire inspired...                      [ Lori Nelson <amarantATnospamunisono.net.mx ] 
  kundalini and Java                    [ "Sharon Webb" <shawebbATnospamyhc.edu> ] 
  fractals                              [ Maureen Heffernan <morlightATnospammhonlin ] 
  Chronology                            [ "Magne Aga" <magneagaATnospammonet.no> ] 
  Re: kundalini and Java                [ GISLENNEATnospamaol.com ] 
  Re: kundalini and Java                [ GISLENNEATnospamaol.com ] 
  Re: kundalini and Java                [ Dharma <annfisherATnospamstic.net> ] 
  Re: Christianity and Kundalini Not a  [ "Magne Aga" <magneagaATnospammonet.no> ] 
  Re: Stuck in rut                      [ "Evelyn Niedbalec" <log_me_inATnospamhotma ] 
  Re: Bible (was Re: Ego)               [ "Magne Aga" <magneagaATnospammonet.no> ] 
  Re: K experience? or......what?       [ "Kat" <kcliffordATnospamodyssey.on.ca> ] 
  Re: K experience?or...what?           [ CKRESSATnospamaol.com ] 
  Re: K experience?or...what?           [ CKRESSATnospamaol.com ] 
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1998 10:29:35 PDT 
From: "" <alan_gaskinsATnospamhotmail.com> 
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com, morlightATnospammhonline.net 
Subject: Re: I AM 
Message-ID: <19980829172937.20033.qmailATnospamhotmail.com> 
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> 
>Alan, 
>you said, 
>Kundalini is inclusive and "says" a Way.Yes. a Way - - - TO??? the  
Great 
>I AM That I Am. References to ? I would say,"Living water",Pentecost 
>with the firey tongues over the crown centers, the Holy Spirit Mother, 
>etc.I always believed the gifts of the Holy Spirit are the gifts of 
>Kundalini, , the results are similar. I have enjoyed very much joining 
>this group yet am waiting for the duscusions of what the way leads To. 
>So much talk on the phenomena,which is wonderful but what does it lead 
>to? Not 24 hour orgasms of the body but I think rather 24 hour 
>ectasies,(never could spell that sucker) of the soul. Yes??? 
>And of course, 
>More Light. 
> 
>+ Maureen 
> 
> 
    Beloved, I concur completely on your comparisons. Bless you!  But I  
do not get it that the Way has become a wait/weight; the I AM has become  
well then what is it I ain't; answers have become ?'s; and the flow has  
become the wolf spelled backwards. 
     That which is, is. Yes there is evolving on our part to or from a  
greater understanding of the Way, the I AM, the Oneness, etc.  But these  
truths are infinite, omnipresent, eternal, so where can they go to or  
from, when they are everywhere and all that is?  It is our thinking that  
limits us. 
     In short, WE are that which is to or from - what?  THE WAY.
 
in the ONENESS, 
 NAMASTE, 
      
Alan Gaskins
 
     Everything is relative to the mind, including the mind itself...
 
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Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1998 12:46:17 -0700 
From: Mystress Angelique Serpent <serpentATnospamdomin8rex.com> 
To: "Sharon Webb" <shawebbATnospamyhc.edu> 
Cc: "Kundalini" <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com> 
Subject: Re: Christianity and Kundalini Not at Odds Here 
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At 04:24 PM 28/08/98 -0400, Sharon Webb wrote: 
>Cathy, 
> 
>I had hoped that you would take my letter in the spirit in which it was 
>intended.  My letter answered every one of your points.  To reiterate:  the 
>k list is NOT a forum for discussion of spirituality in general, it is a 
>specific list meant to discuss kundalini and kundalini alone.  If we all 
>cooperate, the list will more or less stay on topic and do what it is 
>intended to do which is to help with specifics pertaining to kundalini.
 
 Bravo Sharon! I hereby dub you Deputy List Mistress!  
 Cathy, the argument you are trying to put forth has been "done to death", 
on this list, and Sharon is right. All of life is spiritual, but All of 
Life won't fit in your email box.. if you want to discus Christian 
Mysticism, the web is a big place, and I would suggest you seek out Gnostic 
Christianity, as it seems to be the only form that has a lot to offer a 
Kundalite.  
  You might also want to look up the effects of the "Toronto blessing", a 
K-fire contagion that has been sweeping some churches.. and polarizing 
Christianity still further. 
   
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1998 15:52:20 +0000 
From: Maureen Heffernan <morlightATnospammhonline.net> 
To: Kundalini <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com> 
Subject: Bible 
Message-ID: <35E823B4.18B30D1CATnospammhonline.net> 
 
Thank you Jane, Big eyes, 
Seems like the bible itself has become "forbidden fruit". 
When all the time, right under our noses are profound refernces to the 
zeal and fire of kundalini.Not in picking and nit picking apart 
interpetations but broad concepts.Our God is a consuming Fire. 
More and More Light! 
+ Maureen 
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1998 16:22:51 +0000 
From: Maureen Heffernan <morlightATnospammhonline.net> 
To: Kundalini <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com> 
Subject: evolving 
Message-ID: <35E82ADB.D26C5003ATnospammhonline.net> 
 
Alan, 
But these  
truths are infinite, omnipresent, eternal, so where can they go to or  
from, when they are everywhere and all that is?  It is our thinking that  
limits us. 
I don't know if you got this one. 
I think there is a goal. A blossoming. A fullfillment,completion and 
perfection. I don't see it as a mere self realization,unless you carry 
that all the way through to the Self(God within) unifying with the Self 
,God. But then that involves activity and growth also. Not a sitting 
around in Heaven playing harps but a nitty gritty working out in word 
and deed(on whatever planet we may find ourselves) so as to invoke a 
response from the temple of the Living God within the heart of people. 
I believe there are octaves and progressing initiations and if I 
remember my A. Bailey, "you can not proceed and pass through the door 
unless you turn to take the hand of the one behind you". I interpet this 
as the person behind one or the kingdom behind or "below" one. If we are 
vegetarian then I think that advances the vegetable kingdom, and if we 
intereact and work with crystals then that enhances and elevates that 
kingdom.These people or kingdoms achieve vibrancy and depth. Ever 
increasing spirals and octaves of perfection.The angelic kingdom is also 
quite busy in assisting the Godhead in our human advancement. 
     Goal or path. Goal and Path. Goal.For me the path is sometimes 
unclear,frustrating , sensless, incredibly beautiful, totally humbling, 
beyond words, and amazing. 
     But the grand and Glorious Goal is (without sounding arrogant) a 
little bit clearer to me. I carried it through all the way one day and 
it means that I believe God advances. God evolves. You mean He/She is 
and was not perfect from the beginning? Yup. 
     The Ain Soph of the Kabbala resides in perfection but THAT remains 
veilved. Once creation begins and the veils extend downward then there 
is also a lack of perfection increasing in amount the lower one goes. 
As we climb and advance our way back up , 
May each of our paths be filled with,
 
More Light!,
 
+ Maureen 
I quess in a nutshell,God evolves. The Way evolves. The jealous tribal 
God of the Hebrews evolvs to the loving God of the new testament and I 
believe now is in the advance mode.We're actually agreeing yet I see 
where I used to interpet the Way as static,a cut out pattern or mold and 
now view it as ever evolving. That was always big news to me for I am a 
recovering Catholic !:-) Sort of like we can never catch up but wow the 
ride will be terrific! 
Thank you Alan. 
Namaskara and 
More Light. 
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1998 16:32:48 +0000 
From: Maureen Heffernan <morlightATnospammhonline.net> 
To: Kundalini <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com> 
Subject: album 
Message-ID: <35E82D30.CF78F8F9ATnospammhonline.net> 
 
KAT, Hi, 
Please do not send the holy stuff.  Not sure why but it bothers me.
 
OOOOOOOOOOHHH. 
What's up? 
That would be like me telling you,  don't send the understanding stuff 
after L+L cause you'll never understand. 
Holy Joy is soul to soul, not just human happiness. 
That's what I wish for you my friend. 
Bye, 
+ Maureen 
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1998 16:00:33 -0600 (CST) 
From: Lori Nelson <amarantATnospamunisono.net.mx> 
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com 
Subject: fire inspired... 
Message-Id: <l03102801b20dcc769b16ATnospam[200.36.14.46]> 
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Hello,
 
It's been quite a pleasent surprize tho find that there is a place to 
relate regardeing Kundalini.  For so many years there has been no other 
person for me to talk with who is activated.
 
I am wondering if any of you have had initiations of the private sort that 
have "taken you out" of functioning in the practical sence...  I also 
wonder if anyone else has experienced "equinox heat wave"?
 
Here is a Kundalini inspired writing....
 
Bless, 
Loraine 
(Lori for short)
 
________
 
The Nature Of Heat 
Path of Fire
 
Your heat like a reddened pulse 
Some animalistic beat to high tide 
Rising up my spine
 
Flames grow from worlds below 
Steam of coals through my throat 
Forcing it's tears as sighing waves 
I open my mouth but I cannot not say 
I hear only shadowed moans
 
I toss my body in spins of violent quake 
To flush this fire through my veins 
At an edge that can never be retrieved 
The ravage hunger of a merciless beast 
With rivers of blood she burns to her prey
 
There may be no such moment perfected 
Ordained before the flame of desire 
When passion has become enraged 
Devouring only once it's innocence 
As lovers cross the path of fire
 
Lori Nelson
 
copy right  Aug. 98' 
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1998 18:00:18 -0400 
From: "Sharon Webb" <shawebbATnospamyhc.edu> 
To: <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com> 
Subject: kundalini and Java 
Message-ID: <001201bdd398$6a4c0aa0$8ed11fa8ATnospamsharonwe> 
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Hi, 
Something kinda weird happened.  I had a disk stuck in my floppy drive with 
no way to get it out.  I was afraid to reboot because I figured the computer 
would hang with a floppy in the slot.  Neither my husband nor I could get 
the disk out.
 
I had just put up some fractal Java applets on my web page and I was looking 
at the one called 'Tunnel' when I went into some kind of k funk.  I felt all 
sorts of energy rising and I went into an altered state.  When I came out of 
it, the disk that was stuck in my drive was gone.  ???
 
A few other people started using my Lake and Water fractal applets to 
meditate with.  The other night I was in an online meditation connected with 
water.  I visualized that Lake applet and I found myself going right through 
the Gateway into space.  The odd thing was that another woman did exactly 
the same thing.
 
Is it the motion of these things that cause the k reaction or is it the 
fractals?  Or is it a combination of both?  Or maybe I've just slid off the 
deep end.  I would appreciate any ideas about this.  I had one that was so 
disorienting to me that I had to delete it, but it didn't seem to bother 
non-k-active people.
 
If you want to see what they might do to/for you the URL is below.
 
Sharon 
shawebbATnospamyhc.edu 
Seven new Fractal Java applets were 
added to this page on Aug. 29, 1998
 
      Fractals and 2D and 3D graphics 
      http://www.fractalus.com/sharon/
 
      Winner of nineteen top web awards. 
      Free screensaver and wallpaper d/l. 
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1998 18:55:59 +0000 
From: Maureen Heffernan <morlightATnospammhonline.net> 
To: Kundalini <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com> 
Subject: fractals 
Message-ID: <35E84EBF.B317C14DATnospammhonline.net> 
 
Sharon, 
Very! Way! Cool! 
Bubblegum for the eyes. Subtley hynotizing and beautiful.
 
More Light. 
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1998 01:01:02 +0200 
From: "Magne Aga" <magneagaATnospammonet.no> 
To: <onarresATnospaminreach.com>, "Wonderer" <mrtn74aATnospamprodigy.com> 
Cc: "Kundalini" <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com> 
Subject: Chronology 
Message-Id: <199808300003.BAA19619ATnospamumbukta.monet.no> 
 
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* Wonderer
 
> 1,000,000 - 800,000 B.C. - Early Lemurian development (let's not forget 
the Lemurians were mostly spirit).
 
According to the Book of Dzyan, the physical humans became separated into 
two sexes 18.6 million years ago. 
The symbolical biblical *fall from grace*, the fall from the light body 
down to material bodies, occured 26 million years ago.
 
>  
>             500,000 B.C. - Lemuria was inundated by water, peoples 
scattered. 
>  
>   400,000 - 300,000 B.C. - Lemuria inhabited and civilization advanced  
>  
>             250,000 B.C. - Second Lemurian catastrophe, possibly by fire 
> 
 
What about 206 000 B.C ?
 
>              80,000 B.C -  First Atlantean culture emerged. Final 
Lemurian submergence. 
>  
>              28,000 B.C. - Second Atlantean disturbance. Recorded 
biblically as the Great Flood.
 
What about 26 000 B.C (One Star-Year) ?
 
>  
>              10,700 B.C. - Final destruction and sinking of Atlantis. 
>  
>              10,390 B.C. - Final completion of The Great Pyramid by Ra Ta 
and Hermes. 
> 
 
Blessings from Norway 
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1998 19:15:22 EDT 
From: GISLENNEATnospamaol.com 
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com 
Subject: Re: kundalini and Java 
Message-ID: <71d7d34.35e88b8aATnospamaol.com>> 
 
Hi Sharen 
  Just went to your website!!! Way Cool if I do say so myself...I Love it 
!!!!!!! 
  Those fractals are beautiful...i can get swallowed in them!! 
  I have bookmarked the pages so that i can go to them frequently!!
 
   Thanks and lots of love....gis 
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1998 19:25:09 EDT 
From: GISLENNEATnospamaol.com 
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com 
Subject: Re: kundalini and Java 
Message-ID: <49fdd330.35e88dd5ATnospamaol.com>> 
 
hi everyone 
  This Kundalini is kicking my butt!!!!!!! I am having soo much pain, now iam 
getting sharp pains in my neck and head...i''m wondering could this be from 
the lupus or is it the actual kundalini..or is the lupus Kundalini? 
  I just wish the pain would stop, so far it has been nonstop for a week. 
Its travelling all over my body. 
   i really didn't want to say anything cause i don't like to complain..but 
man its like travelling all over the place. 
  i can feel the heat in my body also...oh well, just had to let it out. Don't 
like to tell the family cause they worry so i had to let it out to someone. 
  sorry to be so negative!! 
 love u all.....gis 
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1998 18:26:23 -0500 
From: Dharma <annfisherATnospamstic.net> 
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com 
Subject: Re: kundalini and Java 
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Sharon!
 
>Something kinda weird happened.  I had a disk stuck in my floppy drive with 
>no way to get it out.  I was afraid to reboot because I figured the computer 
>would hang with a floppy in the slot.  Neither my husband nor I could get 
>the disk out. 
> 
>I had just put up some fractal Java applets on my web page and I was looking 
>at the one called 'Tunnel' when I went into some kind of k funk.  I felt all 
>sorts of energy rising and I went into an altered state.  When I came out of 
>it, the disk that was stuck in my drive was gone.  ???
 
You mean it wasn't just out of the drive?  It was vanished, disappeared, gone??
 
Love, 
Dharma 
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1998 01:30:23 +0200 
From: "Magne Aga" <magneagaATnospammonet.no> 
To: "Sharon Webb" <shawebbATnospamyhc.edu>, 
 "Mystress Angelique Serpent" <serpentATnospamdomin8rex.com> 
Cc: "Kundalini" <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com> 
Subject: Re: Christianity and Kundalini Not at Odds Here 
Message-Id: <199808300032.BAA19824ATnospamumbukta.monet.no> 
 
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* Angelique 
> if you want to discus Christian 
> Mysticism, the web is a big place, and I would suggest you seek out 
Gnostic 
> Christianity, as it seems to be the only form that has a lot to offer a 
> Kundalite. 
 
Hmm... I was just thinking about Theresa of Avilla, a female christian 
mystic preaching about the *divine sound* (AONG or *AUM*). In Eastern 
teaching it's called Nada-Yoga. Mystic experiences, buddhistic, hinduistic, 
jewish or christian, are still mystic experiences. It's the dogmas of 
ortodox churches, not only in Christianity, but in other religions too, 
which have condemned their own roots - direct experience !
 
Every religion began from direct mystic experience. They were mystery 
religions. Maybe we could say that - a mystic experience is neither 
christian, buddhistic, hinduistic or jewish. IT IS ! plain and simple.
 
So, when Shakespeare asked: "The Church ! Where is it ?" - the answer is: 
In Your Own Divine Beeing. Do not consider anyone else as your *savour*. 
Only Your own High Self is the redeemer from karma.
 
Christianity is a Word, plain and simple. And words have different 
connotations among people. Ironically, it's the ortodox christianity which 
too a large extent have destroyed its reputation. The most important thing 
too seek is TRUTH. Truth = Truth. It doesn't matter *who* told the truth. 
 
Blessings from Norway 
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1998 16:51:22 PDT 
From: "Evelyn Niedbalec" <log_me_inATnospamhotmail.com> 
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com 
Subject: Re: Stuck in rut 
Message-ID: <19980829235123.2674.qmailATnospamhotmail.com> 
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>Think that u have to know and experience the supreme through kundalini  
and 
>if u r lazy in that how will u reach that goal before ur death. Time is 
>ticking away second by second , day by day. Think why r u awakening ur 
>kundalini? 
> 
>Love, 
>anurag
 
Although I don't mean to discount the benefits of enlightenment, I don't  
think that guilt and pressure is the way to the attainment of such.  We  
are all immortal.  If it takes a few extra lifetimes, that only seems of  
importance while we are here on Earth.  But to our immortal selves, it  
is but a tiny drop in the ocean.  We are where we are supposed to be and  
all will make it "in the fullness of time," stealing from Babylon 5  
here.  
 
If one is conflicted about setting the time aside to meditate, then one  
has not finished with other aspects of life yet and IMHO should do so  
first.  We have all heard about the troubles caused by pushing the  
kundalini too fast.  WHen one is ready, one will be drawn to do it, not  
have to be pushed into it.  After all, we have not all come here just to  
get back there!  
 
In fact I often feel that even more important than meditation, is that  
we apply what we know of goodness to our everyday lives and look  
honestly into ourselves to know our strengths and weaknesses.  This can  
be done through the day while doing other things.  
 
Life is meant to be bitten into and chewed heartily!
 
-Evelyn    
 
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Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1998 02:09:59 +0200 
From: "Magne Aga" <magneagaATnospammonet.no> 
To: <ImtgxxxATnospamaol.com>, <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com> 
Subject: Re: Bible (was Re: Ego) 
Message-Id: <199808300112.CAA20006ATnospamumbukta.monet.no> 
 
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* Me  
> Magne: < The apple represents the pineal gland ! 
  
* Teegee 
> Always great hearing from you Magne... You have soooo much knowledge in 
that 
> mind of yours, I always learn something from you!  Thanks for being 
here... 
 
 
Funny you say so, because today I realized that I Am Completly Stupid ! 
 
Some days ago, I healed a person from drug abuse. His abstinenses for 
heroin and amfetamin disappeared momentarily. A miracle ! - people say. 
But, I myself cannot heal myself. I need help from Reiki healers, zone 
therapeuts etc. 
 
While healing persons aura's, I see colours yes. But I do not understand 
them fully anymore.
 
Today, my clairvoyant abilities exploded into the uncomprehensible. The 
Apple, the eternal gift beyond the Wall of Light through our head, shows me 
very intensive colours. Today, I saw a light rosy intense light when a 
Reiki healer helped me balance my Chi. I saw a *rainbow bridge*. I saw a 
white bridge of light beneath my feats. But I do not UNDERSTAND 
(under-stand = beneath your feets) everything I get tuned into.
 
I'm like a child. Very childish at the moment. A child want's to play, to 
swim in the light energy without restrictions, without the rigid 
*adultness* of our socially made, false ego.
 
But - think of it. You walk in your home town. You see cars, roads, people, 
the railway station, the subway, the airport ... And so what ? What use do 
these impressions have if you don't understand them ? Even an imature child 
can be clairvoyant. 
 
It would be ridicilous if I were a jornualist during the Gulf War, without 
having an inkling of an idea of WHAT I was reporting - wouldn't it ? *Now I 
see a person with a green uniform* - for example, without having even heard 
about a soldier in my whole life. Not even Jerry Seinfeld could think about 
something more ridiculous !
 
So, the larger the circle of Light, the larger it's interface to darkness. 
A whole new world of clairvoyance became opened for me today, but I only 
understand fragments of it. Clairvoyance, clairaudience ... We need *clair 
understanding* !
 
My manas chakra, the 6 bladed lotus in the head, in which center the spiral 
of Bindu goes up to the place where the hair splits, is during an opening 
process. And for those interested in Christianity: The disciple Thomas 
represented these chakra, mentioned in the Tantra tradition. Without 
understanding, without illumination (buddhi) of the spiritual world 
openings for us, we are stupid on a more advanced level !
 
I have strong colour flashes through the even broader opened chakra system. 
But I do not understand all the colours anymore. There are 3, 4, maybe 5 
different levels in the aura. The chakra colours in each layer differs, and 
even differs depending on who spiritually evolved the person is. No wonder 
people argue between which colour is the *correct*. I'm confused, stupid 
and feels like a playing child, reborn into a new the world I see for the 
very first time in my life.
 
I'm open for any suggestions what colours is concerned.
 
Blessings from Norway 
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1998 22:13:40 -0400 
From: "Kat" <kcliffordATnospamodyssey.on.ca> 
To: <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>, "Dharma" <annfisherATnospamstic.net> 
Subject: Re: K experience? or......what? 
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Hi Dharma,
 
>You must be very happy to have this contact with your spiritual guide! 
>That's the important thing that's happening.  Strengthen that as you can. 
>Expect more contact with your guide in meditation, be open to hearing that 
>voice.  When it's more conscious, it won't seem like a dream.
 
I am feeled with a great deal of joy over this!  Thank you for telling me 
this. 
> 
>Unusual sounds are pretty common with K.  Nothing to worry about. :) 
How about the sightings of black type shadows floating around?  Is this part 
of the K as well? 
> 
>Should you answer the phone?  Why not, if you can?  If you see/hear things 
>symbolically in meditation, you might see a phone you could answer.  But 
>you don't seem to need this kind of symbolic interface to contact your 
>guide.  You can probably talk directly with your guide much as you did in 
>the dream, except that it will be more real and less dream-like.
 
As I am drifting off into a sleep or just waking up I often will hear a 
voice but when I go to focus in on it , I can no longer hear it.  Sometimes 
I hear a voice that seems more like a thought.....is this one of  my guides? 
> 
>What I've been doing with ringing and tones in my ears is using them in 
>meditation; you might try it.  Go into meditation, and then focus on the 
>tone you hear.  Don't think about it or try to do anything else at the same 
>time; just rest, breathe, listen to the tone.  Get into it, vibrate with 
>it, be that tone.  One note is a different vibration than another; the 
>wave-length is different. (Maybe somebody else can explain that better. :) 
>Find that vibration and be there.
 
I think you explained it quite well and I thank you for this explantion. 
> 
>Using a tone as a focus for meditation is a good way to do something else 
>than think - to meditate without thought without trying to _stop_ the 
>thoughts, see?  And for me it's a useful substitute for the music I usually 
>hear in my head.  Opera is glorious, but a simple tone is usually more 
>beneficial for meditation. :))
 
I sometimes can hear music but no radio is on.  It is usually a beautiful 
sound but when I go to try to hear it better it disappears.  I will take you 
up on your suggestion above. 
> 
>Using the tone that's loud in my ear(s) at the moment seems, in general, to 
>have good results, to lead me in good directions.  I really can't be more 
>conclusive than that, except to say that I have NOT had any bad experiences 
>from doing this.  Why not try it?
 
Okay I will! 
> 
>Better still, when you're in contact with your spiritual guide again, ask 
>him! :))  Best advice you can get!
 
Agreed!
 
In L&L & Understanding,
 
Katharine 
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1998 22:33:56 EDT 
From: CKRESSATnospamaol.com 
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com 
Subject: Re: K experience?or...what? 
Message-ID: <99691e73.35e8ba14ATnospamaol.com>> 
 
Katherine wrote that her computer "is doing things completely on its own!" 
When Kundalini is active, all kinds of paranormal and other weirdness can 
occur in electrical equipment, including battery operated appliances.  I've 
known of several cases where televisions turn themselves off and on at random. 
When my Kundalini was strongest, the people next door to us told us that for 
several days in a row, their TV had been turning itself on full blast in the 
middle of the night.
 
Fires are also common occurrences in the vicinity of someone with awakened 
Kundalini.  The house on the other side of ours burned down the week my 
Kundalini rose!  Yikes -- my aura seems to extend pretty far.  Fortunately, 
nobody was hurt.  Neither of these neighbors had any idea I was undergoing a 
Kundalini awakening.
 
Katherine also mentions "a ringing noise like a telephone that is not being 
answered" that happens "over and over and over again."  I've heard of numerous 
cases of this phenomena, which often seems related to spirits trying to 
contact us.  In some cases they have caused actual phones in the home to ring 
repeatedly.   When answered, nobody seems to be on the line.  They also have 
been known to leave a series of phantom empty messages on answering machines.
 
May be that someone (probably on the other side) is trying to send a literal 
message to Katherine and is trying to get her attention through the computer 
shenanigans and telephone ringing sounds.  I would suggest meditating to get a 
sense of who it is and what the message might be.  Say a prayer for protection 
and/or surround yourself with white light first to screen out lower astrals 
who may be messing with you.
 
And pay attention to dreams; the message and source of the message may come 
through more clearly there.
 
Shanti, 
El 
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1998 22:33:55 EDT 
From: CKRESSATnospamaol.com 
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com 
Subject: Re: K experience?or...what? 
Message-ID: <6da88d79.35e8ba13ATnospamaol.com>> 
 
Katherine wrote that her computer "is doing things completely on its own!" 
When Kundalini is active, all kinds of paranormal and other weirdness can 
occur in electrical equipment, including battery operated appliances.  I've 
known of several cases where televisions turn themselves off and on at random. 
When my Kundalini was strongest, the people next door to us told us that for 
several days in a row, their TV had been turning itself on full blast in the 
middle of the night.
 
Fires are also common occurrences in the vicinity of someone with awakened 
Kundalini.  The house on the other side of ours burned down the week my 
Kundalini rose!  Yikes -- my aura seems to extend pretty far.  Fortunately, 
nobody was hurt.  Neither of these neighbors had any idea I was undergoing a 
Kundalini awakening.
 
Katherine also mentions "a ringing noise like a telephone that is not being 
answered" that happens "over and over and over again."  I've heard of numerous 
cases of this phenomena, which often seems related to spirits trying to 
contact us.  In some cases they have caused actual phones in the home to ring 
repeatedly.   When answered, nobody seems to be on the line.  They also have 
been known to leave a series of phantom empty messages on answering machines.
 
May be that someone (probably on the other side) is trying to send a literal 
message to Katherine and is trying to get her attention through the computer 
shenanigans and telephone ringing sounds.  I would suggest meditating to get a 
sense of who it is and what the message might be.  Say a prayer for protection 
and/or surround yourself with white light first to screen out lower astrals 
who may be messing with you.
 
And pay attention to dreams; the message and source of the message may come 
through more clearly there.
 
Shanti, 
El
 
 
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