1998/08/22  11:06  
 kundalini-l-d Digest V98 #581 
  
kundalini-l-d Digest				Volume 98 : Issue 581
 
Today's Topics: 
  Re: Shock , can it be a good thing?   [ "hc19436ATnospamautovia" <hc19436ATnospamautovia. ] 
  Re: Unidentified subject!             [ "hc19436ATnospamautovia" <hc19436ATnospamautovia. ] 
  Re: neck                              [ "jb" <janbarenATnospaminfase.es> ] 
  writing a book                        [ Sunil R Peswani <peswaniATnospamgiaspn01.v ] 
  Re: AutoPost from Kundalini Resource  [ "Evelyn Niedbalec" <log_me_inATnospamhotma ] 
  Earthpeace mailing list               [ "Paul West" <paulATnospamstationone.demon. ] 
  Re: digest Kundalini                  [ Anurag Goel <anuragATnospamBhaskara.ee.iis ] 
  Engineer's view on Aging              [ flute <FluteATnospamcreate.org> ] 
  Re: Terri                             [ TAvalon <TAvalonATnospamtexas.net> ] 
  Yoga and K                            [ "fosterx2" <mytime2ATnospamemail.msn.com> ] 
  Yoga                                  [ "R. Cox" <coxATnospamrmi.net> ] 
  Re: Earthpeace mailing list           [ DruoutATnospamaol.com ] 
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1998 00:08:00 +0100 
From: "hc19436ATnospamautovia" <hc19436ATnospamautovia.com> 
To: Kat <KcliffordATnospamodyssey.on.ca>, "K. list" <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com> 
Subject: Re: Shock , can it be a good thing? 
Message-ID: <35DDFDD0.8B0B01C3ATnospamautovia.com> 
 
Kat wrote:
 
> Hi All, 
> 
> Anyone that is really senstive to negetive vibrations press delete.... 
> 
> Okay now that is out of the way I am in a lot of trouble right now.  I feel 
> like my whole system is going into shock.  I am falling down and this time I 
> am not sure I can get back up.  Just to much is happening.  Can anyone do a 
> posting that will help to send positve vibrations to me?  I can't talk about 
> what is hurting me so badly but I hope someone can help. 
> 
>
 
Jan: Perhaps the terminology has to be changed. Instead of " I am having 
a K. 
awakening" it would be better to state: "Buddha/ Self/God/Goddess (take 
your 
pick) is after 'little me' ". God is the hunter, 'little me' is the 
prey. In the 
"game of God" you are the game, not the doer or controller. Sometimes a 
severe 
shock, sometimes great fear, mind and body are often operating at or 
near the 
limits of what can be tolerated. There seems to be one choice: surrender 
or 
experience like a prey on the run. I would suggest surrender. This way, 
what 
seems to be frightening turns out to be great. Knowing this, do you 
still have a 
choice? 
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1998 00:10:50 +0100 
From: "hc19436ATnospamautovia" <hc19436ATnospamautovia.com> 
To: geoffrey33ATnospamjuno.com, "K. list" <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com> 
Subject: Re: Unidentified subject! 
Message-ID: <35DDFE7A.B6965CBATnospamautovia.com> 
 
geoffrey wrote:
 
> Hi Jan, 
>      I found what you said very interesting.  I did have an experience in 
> meditation of extreme fear(loss of the personality) but did not link it 
> to k, so I'm not sure if it is the same.  What I did experience was a 
> pulsing, swirling  funnel in my crown(it would pulse with my heart beat) 
> for about three weeks about a year ago.  It was as if the top of my head 
> was missing.    During this time my energy level was always high and it 
> seemed the only reason to eat was to maintain my weight, not for energy. 
> The pulsing would be at night ,while I meditated, and other times.  It 
> was fairly loud.   Then it left and hasn't returned.  Is this what it 
> feels like when k is expressing herself through the crown?  Please tell 
> me more.  What is it like?
 
[...]
 
Jan: If K. has her abode in sahasrara, it means she is always in that 
center. 
The center itself is far more complex than any book can describe; there 
are 
many smaller chakras. So K. is active in all these chakras. Sometimes 
other 
centers become active, like the heart center at the right side. But 
whatever 
other chakra is felt, the main activity is always in sahasrara. Call it 
crawling ants, wires inside the head, burning sensations, melting 
plastic, it 
is always present, even during sleep. It is completely independent of 
anything. The presence doesn't change while eating, driving, walking or 
taking a shower. Although K. is a fire, in sahasrara it keeps the mind 
cool 
and the heart warm. It is unceasing, unconditional Bliss. You can only 
"get 
there" by self-surrender. 
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1998 02:59:13 +0100 
From: "jb" <janbarenATnospaminfase.es> 
To: "K. list" <kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com> 
Subject: Re: neck 
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Paul West wrote:
 
  Hi.
 
  `Cosmic energy' recently diagnosed that I have tension in the knees 
  and neck indicative of fear of the unknown. I am not sure about my 
  knees but there is a lot of tension in the back of my neck. What can I 
  do about this?
 
Jan: 'Cosmic energy' must have made a 'snapshot' of you while you where 
practicing the 'knees around your neck' posture [:-) 
Self-surrender will remove most of the fear and probably all of the tension. 
It means giving up control and doership. 
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1998 07:36:27 +0500 (GMT+0500) 
From: Sunil R Peswani <peswaniATnospamgiaspn01.vsnl.net.in> 
To: kundalini-l <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com> 
cc: buddha <buddha-lATnospamulkyvm.louisville.edu> 
Subject: writing a book 
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From...Ram peswani 
  
Address...120,sushil apartment, 
  Pimpri, 
  Poona-411017. 
Phone Nos..762118,762415
 
E-mail No..peswaniATnospamgiaspn01.vsnl.net.in
 
Subject..Help in writing a book and publishing my search for truth for 
   last 10 years.
 
 I have following merits available with me for this work.I am 
basically B.E.(MECH). 
 
1) Vipassana Insight...Used it successfully to clear my old karmas between  
   June 92 to June 94. 
2)Intellectual wisdom... Received this wisdom from Buddhic plane during the  
   course of  meditation. This wisdom gives answers to 
   the working of this universe and the relation between  
   Man, God and Universe. This wisdom also gives answers  
   to the methods useful at various stages of human  
   evolution.This method is new and different from what 
    I have read, and at later stages meets the Yogcara  
   system as given by Maitriya thro' Asanga, Vasudeva  
   etc.
 
3)WISDOM..............This WISDOM works automatically in purifying the karmas 
   collected thro compassion without the use of Ego  
   (self). This WISDOM is the same as mentioned in 
   Yogcara literature. Every moment this body of mine  
   collects karmas of surroundings thro compasssion  
   mostly of Dukkha or pain and transceds them. 
   This WISDOM is different from intellectual wisdom  
   mentioned above and is at experiential level. 
4)Compassion........... I gained this merit of Compassion when I took up the  
   path of Bhoddhisatva in June 94. I was already seeded 
   for this path. 
5)health............... Due to vipassana insight I can locate the start of  
   any disease in my body and cure it before it expands. 
5)Notes................I have kept the record of the process of Intellectual 
    wisdom and WISDOM received since June 92, when i 
    started meditating. Most of the notes are written  
    on computer and a few initial notes are in my  
    handwriting.
 
 The purpose of writing this book is to benefit the humanity by giving 
them a new and scientific angle of this evolution. The science has advanced  
like anything in last hundred years and words and experiences are now  
available to explain and reach more of intellect. 
 Most of my time is spent on the work of Bhoddhisattvahood that is  
I collect compassion of earth and surroundings and purify it for the  
benefit of this earth. This work is more important than writing a book on my 
own for which I may not have sufficient talent.
 
  Below is given a sample of my writings....  
 1) Every thing starts with NOTHING. There was no space or time or 
energy or heat etc. because there was nothing to relate all these factors 
with. There was no wisdom or god etc.  
 Now to understand NOTHING, one can give it name of Suniata or Void or 
Advait (not two).  
 There was space and nothing in it. There was energy in potential 
form but due to no variation in energy level, there was nothing to compare 
it with.  There was heat, but nothing to compare. etc.  
 But this was not a stable stage...  As there was no wisdom in this 
NOTHING, SOMETHINGS were always coming out of Nothing, in the infinite 
space.  
 (Let us understand these SOMETHINGS. Visualise limitless empty 
space say at 1000 V potential. This is the descrption of NOTHING. There is 
no control here in this space. At some spot in vast space there is 
variation in potential voltage from 1000 to 990 v 
 in a certain area for a certain time. This is creation of SOMETHING. 
After a time duration this limited space of energy either gets merged in 
NOTHING or it can create a further variation in voltage of say 980 for 
different space and for different time. A s there is no system or 
intelligence or wisdom to control these variations and there is limitless 
empty space, this process can take limitless variations.)  
 When Somethings came out of NOTHING, these Somethings took energy 
out of NOTHING to become Somethings. These Somethings had their volumes 
giving sense of SPACE. These Somethings also had life of some duration 
giving sense of TIME. Also these Somethings t ook different quantities of 
energies from NOTHING at various places.  
 And hence these Somethings brought out Space, Time and Energy out 
of NOTHING. But because NOTHING was limitless, it made no difference to 
NOTHING.  
 These SOMETHINGS had no intelligence or wisdom and they had 
limitless space to play with. Layers after layers were forming from these 
SOMETHINGS forming vast variations of Space, Time and Energy pockets. Till 
they came to very low levels of Time and spac e, and each step to lower 
level resulted in higher viberations and took more energy out of 
SOMETHINGS.***** At some lower level this increased energy resulted in 
formation of matter and subsequently we see stars, suns, earths and 
moons.***** 
 This confirms the statement that Guatam Buddha and the Vedas say 
that all this universe is a result of cause and its effects.  
 The scientist already know that how life started on (matter) earth 
from microbes to plants to animals finally to human beings.  
 If we take this cause and effect and analyse, we can come to 
conclusion that life can start in any and every condition. Life is not 
limited to where oxygen or water is available.**** Life is also possible 
at any temperature even at the sun.**** 
 It is further easy to analyse and come to conclusion that life 
should not stop at human level but should extend much beyond human level 
in intelligence and wisdom. 
 NOTHING is still, but the world in which we live consists of atoms 
with electrons viberating at high frequency.  
 I do not know to what small limits the science has seen this 
smallest particles, but long time back Guatam Buddha saw these smallest 
particles of our world and called them KALAPAS. He said that human life 
forms these kalapas when a thought is produced by 
 human life. Even the evolution of human life was a slow process as 
science says. Between physical atom and thought kalapas there are various 
links of evolution thro ethereal bodies which first developed in plants 
and animals.  
 These Kalapas have taken vast amount of energies from NOTHING to 
reach our world level and viberate at billions of times in a second and 
their size is much much smaller than electrons.  
  
 **** Evolution of life took the reverse way, it started moving 
towards NOTHING to survive and have peace, but on the way up it took 
WISDOM along with it.*****
 
 *****Thro this WISDOM it started controlling vast pools of energy. 
At somewhere level very near to NOTHING it became GOD due to power and 
presence due to this control with WISDOM.****
 
 God is vast pool of evolved energy at both micro and macro 
level***** and has reached a stage which compared to our level can be said 
to be Omniscient, Omnipresent and Omnipotent. 
 
 Now what we see is part controlled universe thro the power of God.  
We humans and our Solar system is a design of God to increase this energy 
of which God is made of. 
 
 This system is a PERFECT system. When one understands this system 
and its working, one can find no fault in this. And any persons who 
follows this system of God correctly can lead a very happy, healthy and 
prosporous life. 
 
BHODDISATTA RAM PESWANI 
 
 
P.S:-  ****** indicate gaps which have been explained in my diary. 
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 19:51:39 PDT 
From: "Evelyn Niedbalec" <log_me_inATnospamhotmail.com> 
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com 
Subject: Re: AutoPost from Kundalini Resource Center 
Message-ID: <19980822025140.14508.qmailATnospamhotmail.com> 
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Yup, I wouldn't reccomend going OBE unless you feel you are either able  
to control your fear or are ready to face it, because your emotions may  
be quite amplified when out of body.  And if you are feeling great fear,  
you may commonly see scary things as a result.  But once you recognize  
the things are a result of your fear, they often simply disappear or  
just have no affect on you anymore.  But if you don't feel ready, the  
fear of the event can stick in your mind for years and make you not want  
to experience it again.  So my advice is go at your own pace.  
 
On one of my first trips out of body, I saw viscious black wolves and  
heard terrible groaning (I think the scary stuff is tailor made to the  
individual!).  I was quite startled but then remembered that these  
experiences are common challenges, so I said to myself that they were  
not really there, and they disappeared and were replaced by a beautiful  
park scene.   ANd of course, there are some people who just seem to not  
have the negative experiences at all.   
-Evelyn  
> 
>Dear Evelyn, 
>I  too experienced this, and believed I was about to have an out of  
body 
>experience.  I got scared and stoped it.  I was told that when I'm  
ready, I 
>will allow myself to go and it won't scare me.  The weird thing is that  
I 
>experienced this while I was free-dancing.  Does anyone else meditate  
and 
>dance?  Like a Zar. 
> 
>Love, Benita 
> 
>Evelyn Niedbalec wrote: 
> 
>> Sounds like you were about to have an out of body experience my  
friend! 
>> I would do a little research on the term if you want to know more  
(but 
>> of course take what you read with a grain of salt as there are many 
>> opinions out there).  By the way, I think you will find you are not 
>> physically shaking.  It is more like your awareness is transfered to 
>> your energy body which feels similar to your physical body.  I find  
the 
>> vibrations quite pleasant myself, even if they do get a little wild 
>> sometimes! 
>> -Evelyn 
>> 
>> > 
>> >Hi outthere! There is a kundaliniphenomenon i'm wondering about. 
>> >Sometimes when i'm about to sleep, my arms and legs start to vibrate  
in 
>> a 
>> >very rough way. I can feel my chakras and energystreams otherwise  
to, 
>> but this 
>> >is totaly different. It's like i'm getting electrified. I t spreads 
>> from my 
>> >fingers and toes and up. I get afraid, and rise to shake it of. It 
>> disappears, but what 
>> >happens if I let it be ?.If I let it shake me as it wants? 
>> >       Would be grateful for an answer. 
>> > 
>> > 
>> > 
>> 
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> 
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Date: 22 Aug 98 04:08:34 +0000 
From: "Paul West" <paulATnospamstationone.demon.co.uk> 
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com 
Subject: Earthpeace mailing list 
Message-Id: <OUT-35DE42B4.MD-1.0.paulATnospamstationone.demon.co.uk> 
 
Hello.
 
A new mailing list is now available called EarthPeace. I have created 
this list to accomodate discussions about peace on earth and ways in 
which we can bring about the realisation of a vision of brotherhood 
and unity between humanity, itself and nature. I searched for a list 
along these lines and did not find one. I hope that some of the people 
on the k list might be interested in the area of seeing God in all in 
the `physical world', of breaking down the barriers between humans and 
the rest of nature, and working through the ways by which this natural 
harmony is avoided.
 
The list is not dedicated to kundalini or to any other disciplines or 
persuits but rather is geared towards the exploration of uncharted 
territories in the realisation of our unity with one and all, and the 
realisation of transcendental collectivity in our consciousness, as 
well as to develop better attitudes towards life and to bring to light 
the areas of life that go unchallenged in their assumptions of 
righteous conflict.
 
The list is interested in a singular reality and the nature of this 
reality and the ways in which this reality is prohibited, as well as 
the ways in which those prohibitions are perpetuated and hidden from 
destruction. The ultimate ideology is teamwork and group growth in 
removing the diseases of self-loathing, deception and ill-health in 
every way, especially in our attitude towards the planet that we are a 
part of, so that the brotherhood of man may become a distinct reality 
leading further to union and peace with the whole. Group activities 
will be highly encouraged to further the revealing of the true nature 
of love as relationship to all people and all things as acceptable and 
one.
 
You are all invited to join the list if you are interested in this, by 
sending an empty message to earthpeace-subscribeATnospammakelist.com 
Messages are posted to the list at earthpeaceATnospammakelist.com once you 
have subscribed. I have already issued a few invitations privately but 
anyone interested is welcome.
 
Thanks.
 
--  
Paul.
 
IRC: #amiga, Dalnet: #blitz 
WWW: http://www.stationone.demon.co.uk 
E-M: paulATnospamstationone.demon.co.uk 
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1998 14:05:54 +0530 (IST) 
From: Anurag Goel <anuragATnospamBhaskara.ee.iisc.ernet.in> 
To: Rick Puravs <ric51ATnospamgeorge.lhi.net> 
cc: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com 
Subject: Re: digest Kundalini 
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>  
>  
> >digest Kundalini 
>  
>  
> sometimes you digest the kundalini, sometimes the kundalini digests you 
>  
> Blessings, 
>                    Rick
 
HA HA HA HA HA   HA    HA 
 
lols, 
Anurag 
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1998 07:53:40 -0500 
From: flute <FluteATnospamcreate.org> 
To: "kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com" <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com> 
Subject: Engineer's view on Aging 
Message-ID: <35DEBF54.2902ATnospamcreate.org> 
 
Michael Sullivan wrote:
 
 I refer to you posting of August 21, with the rather evocative subject 
 heading, and would like to respond with some thoughts, for what 
 they're worth. 
  
 The answer to "Ageing?" is simply YES.  We are all ageing, whether we 
 like it or not!  However, ignoring certain medical diseases, the 
 process may be accelerated or decelerated by one's own actions. 
  
 This also answers the second part of the subject heading, "Myth or 
 Reality?"  Ageing is a reality not a myth.  The answer to the question 
 of whose reality or myth is it, is also simple.  It's the reality of 
 all that lives in the physical word.  If anyone believes that ageing 
 is a myth, they have a very rude awakening in store for them!  This 
 has got nothing to do with Western (or any other cultural) 
 Programming.  It is a concrete physical fact. 
  
 Sorry Flute, but I am unable to decipher your statement "This 
 question/thought is not from the ego that grasps onto things of this 
 reality."  Do you mean that you (your ego) is not asking the question? 
  You cannot mean that it is your subconscious, which is asking the 
 question, for you would have to bring it into your consciousness to be 
 able to formulate the question.  Maybe you mean that it is your 
 superego which asks the question.  However, the answer should be known 
 by your superego. 
  
 All living cells have an in-built self-destruct mechanism, and if 
 isolated, will quickly die.  Cells require signals from other cells, 
 which tells them not to die.  Such "do not die" signals are 
 interrupted every so often, so as to allow the cell to die and be 
 replaced by a new cell.  As you say, after about every 7 years, every 
 cell in the body has died and been replaced, by other cells of the 
 same type.  Which is the reason you remain looking approximately the 
 same throughout your life.  As time goes on, these "do not die" 
 signals get weaker and more cells die than are reborn ---- hence your 
 body ages. 
  
 Scientists are working on the idea of strengthening these "do not die" 
 signals, and if they are successful, then IN THEORY you will be able 
 to live forever, or at least for several hundred years.  As you know, 
 many plants and some animals have far greater life spans than humans. 
  
 However, nature, or God if you like, knows what She is doing, and has 
 programmed cells so that an organism has a limited life span (although 
 this could be expanded).  You see, the purpose of us being here is to 
 gain experience, and experience is impossible without change.  For 
 change to occur, death and re-birth must take place. 
  
 Does this explain your question as to why we age? 
  
 Now, it must be understood that all of the above refers to the 
 physical world.  If we look at the metaphysical world, things are 
 rather different. 
  
 Firstly, linear time does not exist, it's just a convenient (and 
 necessary) physical concept of the mind.  As you rightly say Flute 
 "Your mind is all powerful".  Exactly how powerful, is little 
 appreciated by most.  In fact, the mind is ALL POWERFUL!  You could 
 say that your mind, or the universal mind, has decided that ageing, 
 death and re-birth is necessary, so there is very little point in you 
 trying to consciously overrule this! 
  
 Nature is also kind enough to allow people to become more aware of the 
 need, and acceptance, of ageing and death, as they get older.  Most 
 elderly people are quite happy to accept death when it comes 
 naturally, in fact many, if not most, subconsciously (or even 
 consciously) decide when they wish to die.  In the past week or so, I 
 have heard of two elderly women friends who have died.  One, aged in 
 her late 70's, I knew very well, was a Taurean and held a similar 
 philosophy to myself.  I KNOW that she had made up her mind to go! 
 The other, although only four months from her 100th birthday, was very 
 young.  She did not need glasses, only used a walking stick to go on 
 quite long walks by herself and climb the two flights of stairs to her 
 apartment, and used to go on holiday regularly with a boy-friend.  She 
 had a excellent memory and a very active mind. 
  
 There are people throughout the world, numbers whom I have been lucky 
 enough to know, who live to 100 years or more, while staying young. 
 Although, their physical location and life style may have a lot to do 
 with this (hard physical work and mountainous areas help a lot), 
 mostly the reason for their youthful longevity, is their state of 
 mind.  If you believe that you are old and decrepit ---- you will be! 
 May I suggest that you look around, and you will find many elderly 
 people who chose to be young.  Talk to them, for they have a lot of 
 wisdom.
 
 Remember, that in the metaphysical realm, you live forever!  For, as I 
 say, time does not exist.  It's just that while your busy experiencing 
 life in a physical body, you do not remember this.  You would get very 
 confused if you did remember.  Of course, sometimes the physical and 
 the metaphysical tend to overlap, or some chose this to be so ---- 
 hence the Indian guru, which you mention.  You say that death is a 
 transition into another reality.  However, this is only half true, as 
 ALL IS THE SAME REALITY, or not, as you prefer! 
  
 You ask " Do we decide on this form and then destroy it as we evolve 
 into a better place?"  From what I have said above, I think the simple 
 answer to this question is YES!  However, this is the simple answer, 
 and I would delete the term "better place", for it's really ALL THE 
 SAME PLACE!  Although, that place is a lot larger and deeper than most 
 would imagine. 
  
 Obviously, the answer is also YES, to your question "Is it possible 
 that we can will our transition?"  By "transition" I assume that you 
 mean death!  However, we are not alone, and everything is 
 interconnected, which must be taken into account.  Which, can explain 
 the concern voiced by a nervous airline passenger.  Who, when told not 
 to worry about the possibility of the plane crashing, as it simply 
 meant that his time had come, and who responded by saying "I'm not 
 worried if its my time, I'm worried that it might be the pilot's time!" 
  
 I don't know if any of the above helps Flute, or maybe just results in 
 further questions. 
  
 Please feel free to copy this to kundalini-l under the nickname 
 "Himself", if you wish. 
  
 Love, 
Himself  
--  
flute 
http://www.create.org/healingarts 
"The same stream of life that runs through my veins night and day runs 
through the world and dances in rhythmic measures." R. Tagore 
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1998 08:47:24 -0500 
From: TAvalon <TAvalonATnospamtexas.net> 
To: FluteATnospamcreate.org 
CC: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com 
Subject: Re: Terri 
Message-ID: <35DECBEC.7C34FDAEATnospamtexas.net> 
 
Flute, 
 
Nope, no lobster. I can't believe we missed the season by one week. Oh 
well, it just gives us another reason to visit your daughter again. 
 
Actually, you are right, Flute, it was around that time that he was 
receiving his Reiki initiation. I am certainly not dismissing all of his 
symptoms as being physically based though I have wondered if some of his 
spiritually energy of that time might not have contributed to the 
vitreous detachment. Vitreous detachment occurs in most of us sometime 
in our lives but perhaps the extra energy running around in him caused 
it to happen earlier and more spectacularly than it might have 
otherwise. 
 
This last July when I decided to do a visionquest at Enchanted Rock 
(going to the top of a dark pink granite rock in one of south Texas' 
hottest months is certainly a way to experience visions or at least heat 
stroke <smile> ) I also noticed lights and floaters. Haven't noticed 
them since. Much. 
 
Blessings, 
 
Terri 
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1998 07:31:34 -0700 
From: "fosterx2" <mytime2ATnospamemail.msn.com> 
To: <DruoutATnospamaol.com> 
Cc: <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com> 
Subject: Yoga and K 
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<<I recognize the chills up the spine--for me they start in the perineum and 
go 
straight to the brain, exploding in pleasure.  Nearly daily I get them up 
the 
spine, causing me to "yelp" when the energy reaches the brain.   I often 
feel 
compelled to assume certain yoga postures at night, and do excercises 3x a 
day 
since this started for 20 min. each. >>
 
Dear Hillary, 
 Thank you for your helpful message and I hope you don't mind if I 
send a bit of it to the list, as I think that it might be helpful. 
    I have a found a seated yoga that I can do and during this time I get 
the chills up the spine that twist me into other shapes and postures ...no, 
not into a pretzel!.......yet.  This happens about eight to ten times in the 
morning.  It turns into what feels like a whole body orgasm.  It continues 
on up into my head where it seems to dissipate.  I end up seeing many 
lights, white and round blue ones and have a "high", spacy sensation. 
Afterwards, I have a little headache in the middle of my forehead and my 
eyes are very sensitive to light.  I would also like to say that the 
orgasmic chills will happen when I am looking at art (really great art), 
meditating, and giving a Reiki treatment.  I have found that I can function, 
(drive, walk, etc....) if I close off my chakra's one at a time by 
visualizing them as flowers that close their petals inward one at a time.  I 
start from the root and work my way up to the crown.  This seems to balance 
the energies.  Love, Julie 
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1998 10:43:12 -0600 
From: "R. Cox" <coxATnospamrmi.net> 
To: "kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com" <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com> 
Subject: Yoga 
Message-ID: <35DEF520.B4DF9218ATnospamrmi.net> 
 
I'm (bio at http://www.byoc.com/health/general/4824/cw_bio.htm) new to 
your list and have been enjoying it quietly for a few weeks. I've been 
tickling my sleepy kundalini for years now and thought maybe I'd get a 
hint or two here on awakening it fully at the "proper" time.  
 
Meditation and yoga have been recently added in a serious way to my 
repertoire of kundalini agents.  I notice that others on this list are 
yoga/meditation enthusiasts.
 
I'd like to invite those of you who might be interested to visit the 
Moving Into Stillness conference on Yoga that my partner Suz (bio at 
http://www.byoc.com/homepage/110554/cw_bio.htm) and I host for Erich 
Schiffmann, Yoga Master (catch him on Ali MacGraw's "Yoga Mind & Body" 
video, on his web page [taken from his book] and in the conference).  
I'll open a kundalini topic (with a pointer to this list) for those who 
might like to post and interact with others similarly interested.
 
Yoga Web Site:      http://www.MovingIntoStillness.com/comm.htm 
Yoga Conference:    
http://www.communityware.com/asp/community.asp?id=4740 
The Holistic Path:  
http://www.HolisticPath.com/holpath/thp_index.htm#SPIRITUAL
 
In closing, I thought I'd share with you The Holistic Path Creed which 
is a generalization of a prayer of entheogenesis that you can commonly 
find on the Web.
 
    Our Spirits which art amongst us, 
Hallowed be thy language, thy visions seen, 
    Our boundaries dissolved, in earth as it is in Heaven.
 
 Give us this day our Sacred Sacraments.  
     Give us the courage to go within 
   With those who have lived before us.
 
      Lead us not into Ego and deliver us from Habit. 
    For thine is the Sacred, the Profound, and the Novel.
 
Forever and ever in Light.
 
Regards,
 
Bob Cox 
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1998 13:17:19 EDT 
From: DruoutATnospamaol.com 
To: paulATnospamstationone.demon.co.uk, kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com 
Subject: Re: Earthpeace mailing list 
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In a message dated 98-08-21 23:11:34 EDT, paulATnospamstationone.demon.co.uk writes:
 
<< A new mailing list is now available called EarthPeace. I have created 
 this list to accomodate discussions about peace on earth  >>
 
Terrific Paul!
 
Love, Hillary
 
 
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