1998/08/12 23:51
kundalini-l-d Digest V98 #563
kundalini-l-d Digest Volume 98 : Issue 563
Today's Topics: Re: Mail failure [ "guy johnson" ]
Re: Shakti Masters [ "Kat" ] re: Lingering Spirit [ Mystress Angelique Serpent ]
Re: notes and comments [ "jb" ] Re: Lingering Spirits [ nancy ]
theory [ "Paul West" ] We're all merely lifeguards on the s [ Dave08812ATnospamaol.com ]
Re: K sensitivities [ ImtgxxxATnospamaol.com ] the heavens of imagination [ "Jason S. White"
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tsomo? thank you for your patience. Katrina
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> >Oh the sensitivity. My very struggle in work has been to find a way to
>give my knowledge without perpetuating the suffering inherent in its >traditions. My eyes also, sting with my own overwhelming understanding
>of the enormity of sadness and pain all around me (this includes plants,
>people, air, water, rocks). And yet it does seem to be balanced by >periods of joy, during which I am able to reaffirm that this path, even
>with its insistent call to see the full spectrum of sensation and >energy, will provide what we need, and then the pain seems like growth,
>requiring compassion we might otherwise forget. Thank you for >sharing... with love, katrina
> >
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>>Hey there, >>
>>i have talked with my teachers about this, but it still bogs me down >>somewhat.
>> >>i can sense at the perifery of awareness...a great orchestra off-key,
>>and its very very very sad. >>
>>my last foray into the woods for a week brought this to the full force >>of my attention and i cried like a water pump. at the time, it forced
>>energy awareness to a level that it was hard staying around the >>temple..i was that raw.
>> >>the comments about sadhana are correct. once in, the only way out is
>>through. doesnt matter if ur path is buddhist or vedantic or whatever. >>this lady has a ton of buddhist karma.
>> >>Lama Lodu Rinpoche recently said something like 'a bodhisattva is more
>>sensitive, like your eyes are more sensitive to dust. Your hands now, >>they could handle dust all along, but not your eyes. The bodhisattva
>>becomes aware of suffering like an eye of dust. it cannot be ignored.' >>
>>Chenrezi is always crying...so was born the Mother of the Buddhas, Arya
>>Tara. >>
>>i think this senstivity is part of the purifying process. you just cant
>>stand to make more suffering, of your own hand or at the hand of >>another.
>> >>noticed when a swarm of mosquitoes comes at me, i blow them away, shoo
>>them, tolerate them, but i dont ever ever slap them anymore. >>
>>enuf rambling, >>
>>--janpa >>
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Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 15:01:06 -0400 From: "Kat"
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Hi Antoine,
>I wish i would have the answer for you. If i was to be in your place, i >would ask myself what is it to me the male, yang. If i come to feel a
>principle, force, energy, blabla, or identify myself as female yin, what is >that principle outside of me that makes me feel polarized this way? Why is
>that yang principle is then felt as outside of me, and the yin inside of me >(or vis versa) in X situtations? How can i reconcialite them, marry them,
in >me?
You have! The questions you posed are questions that I need to ask within
myself. Thank you.
>So true... Going deeper, is there any situations where we don't learn?
okay going deeper........when we do learn how long does it take to unlearn
it? and is this not a lesson in itself?
>I don't Katharine, more and more i look at the person in front of me,
trying >to leave who the person beleives she is alone with god. Who i'm i to
>judge?... Yet i know that the only act of observation is an act of >judgement, and a mode of action.
> >Sigh, so much to learn.
But are we not taught to never judge? least we become the very one that we
have judged? I will have to give some thought to your last sentence.
In L&L & Understanding,
Katharine Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 15:04:56 -0400
From: "Kat" To: "Mystress Angelique Serpent"
Cc: "Antoine" , Subject: Re: Shakti Masters
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Hi Mystress,
> Take up martial arts, or become a Dominatrix.
What is a Dominatrix? I am having very strange thoughts on this word!
In women, the male energy >is the unconscious warrior side. Do warrior things, and give it room to
>express. It is in charge of every cell in your body, you wanna have it on >your side, unified with your conscious fem self.
> BB, A.
Thank you for sharing this with me.
In L&L & Understanding,
Katharine Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 12:49:59 -0700
From: Mystress Angelique Serpent To: melintonATnospamalison.sbc.edu
Cc: nancyATnospamwtp.net, kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com Subject: re: Lingering Spirit
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At 10:55 AM 12/08/98 -0400, melintonATnospamalison.sbc.edu wrote:
>Hi Nancy-- > Thanks for asking such a great question. Someone described her way
>of moving spirits back to light on the list in late spring or early summer >of this year. It might be a scary technique because it was a sort of
>tonglen variation where she sort of passed the entity through herself to >give it love energy to propel it safetly to the light. If you can find her
>post in the archives, maybe you can email her directly -- I'm not sure, but >I *think* it was Magne Ana.
I think it was me. One way I have of clearing spooks is to open my heart to them till they
go into my heart chakra and out my crown, into the light. Since then I have been working with some discarnate shaman, and Goddess,
to create a "spirit canoe" that looks nothing like a canoe, to be a vehicle/trap for stuck entities. Made it partly out of the energy body of
the Titanic, after that dimensional gig was done.. clearing all those Ghosties.. but it can take any form, whatever the spook will recognise and
trust. Beat the drum, burn some sage, think of me and Goddess and ask for a
visit from the spirit canoe, to carry the entities home. Don't have expectations of how it will look, just ask for it, and the assistance of
it's "crew" to clear your space. I gave it over to the Shamen who asked me for it. They needed a physical body to manifest the creation.
They are clearing stuck ghosts on behalf of Gaia. If you like, I can repost my "house spell", for protecting your space.
Blessings, Mystress. Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 14:18:15 -0600
From: nancy To: Mystress Angelique Serpent ,
"kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com" Subject: Re: Lingering Spirit
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> If you like, I can repost my "house spell", for protecting your space.
Please.
Thanks for the suggestions Angelique and all the rest of you. We're going to give it a try tonight. I'll let everyone know how it goes. (OK--I admit it. I'm
a bit nervous. But also a little excited. Gosh! This IS real, isn't it! See, Gis, we're NOT nuts! :-)
Nancy
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 21:44:28 +0100 From: "jb"
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janpa tsomo wrote:
[...]
i can sense at the perifery
of awareness...a great orchestra off-key, and its very very very sad.
my last foray into the
woods for a week brought this to the full force of my attention and i cried like a water pump. at the time, it forced energy awareness to a
level that it was hard staying around the temple..i was that raw. [...]
Before K. starts transforming
something, it is brought into the consciousness. So before suffering is transformed, one will become conscious of it to such an extent that even
when "the ocean of suffering" is crossed, one will act in the right way when faced with suffering.
Regarding food, a lot of
"civilized" food is mere poison. Rightly, the body is protesting when the "inhabitant" is enforcing the
"wrong" stuff to be taken. The body is subjected to transformation too.
Jan
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 16:25:18 -0600
From: nancy To: "kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com"
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> When lower
> astral beeings intrudes your aura, tries to damage you, let them come as > close as possible. Let them expose until they almost kill You. At these
> crucial point, *mirror* them away from which they came, together with the > White Light. This philosophy corresponds to Qi Gong martial arts ("It's
> easy to fall into the River, but impossible to get out of it's dangerous > streams of water")
Well, this sounds a little dangerous. I would like to know if anyone knows
what that "ghost" was doing to me in my dream last night? It was very draining, like the light was being compressed out of me. I screamed for my
angels to help me, and the pull eased off. As I said, it was scary to me as I've never experienced anything like this before.
Nancy
Date: 13 Aug 98 00:35:28 +0000 From: "Paul West"
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com Subject: theory
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Hi
Maybe it's just me, and it probably is, but is this list starting to get a bit theoretical?
--
Paul.
IRC: #amiga, Dalnet: #blitz WWW: http://www.stationone.demon.co.uk
E-M: paulATnospamstationone.demon.co.uk Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 20:31:04 +0000
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Hi Paul,
I thought we were just beginning to get to the good stuff.
More Light!
+ Maureen
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 19:16:13 -0600 From: Ron Grimes
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com Subject: Re: K sensitivities
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John Heaton wrote:
> Ron Grimes wrote: >
> > But I think even beyond food, I have noticed that I can no longer tolerate the thoughts of > > cruelty and violence. This means that the action movies I used to enjoy I cannot watch any
> > longer. I find that it greatly disturbs me to see our society's love affair with violence, > > whether that be in real life or just in the movies. There is a verse that states something
> > to the effect that God cannot dwell in an unclean body. I now understand that the greatest > > "uncleanness" comes from what we choose to watch or listen to. Much of the non-sense our
> > society thrives on is greatly offensive to our spirits. > >
> > - Ron >
> I used to feel the same way Ron. But as I go along, I find that for myself, this is > not sensitivity but intolerance.
> > What better test of our 'spiritual marrow' than to find unconditional love for every
> aspect of the "wrongs" you listed above?? What better way to purge ourselves of our own > judgements, condemnations, hatreds and prejudices than to accept fully that everything is as
> it should be right NOW?
If a person wants to purge oneself of such things, then it is better to work with people who have committed cruelty and violence, and help them in whatever way possible to pull themselves
out of such destructive behavior. That is true karma yoga. To think that a person can purge oneself of "judgments, condemnations, hatreds and prejudices" by continuing to waste time
watching such non-sense is a self-deception of the highest order. It amounts to rationalization of a behaviour under the guise of operating from a more enlightened point of view.
But, that certainly is the popular new-age mantra, "Everything is as it should be right now."
However, it is lacking in full understanding. Such thinking leads us to tolerate cruelty and violence amongst us. I am reminded of a saying by Alexander Pope:
"Vice is a monster of so frightful mien,
as to be hated, needs but to be seen. Yet seen too oft, familiar with its face,
we first endure, then pity, then embrace."
Yes, it is true that everything is as it should be, but it is also true that we must choose what we align ourselves with. Everything emits a vibration, and the type of vibrations we choose to
surround ourself with is also the type of vibration to which we shall automatically attune ourself. Only a fully enlightened one can walk through mud and come out the other side clean and
smelling like a lotus flower. If we mistake our level of spirituality, thinking that we can do the same thing, it is only to our own detriment.
It is said that Satan can appear as an angel of light. I think he does that best when he
convinces us that we can engage in the normal foolishness of the world and, at the same time, convinces us that we have simply reached a more enlightened viewpoint of tolerance.
> As Mystress is always saying, Goddess has it handled....I 'spose the rest is up to > us. :)
God or Goddess only handles it through us.
That reminds me of a popular story. A priest walks up to the home of one of his parishioners,
and notices him working in the garden. Trying to start a conversation, the priest says, "That's a mighty fine garden God has blessed you with." The man answers, "Yep, but you should have seen
it when God had it all by Himself."
- Ron Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 22:35:31 EDT
From: Dave08812ATnospamaol.com To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
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Dear Everyone:
Sometimes we may be so bent on self improvement that we forget to have fun.
In that vein I recommend a good movie called The Road to Wellvillee. There are tons jokes on bowel health, and enemas as well as the evils of onanism. There
are also seminars on chewing your food. It is all anal retentive fun as grim faced acolytes try to achieve the good life.
Best wishes,
Dave
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 00:25:51 EDT From: ImtgxxxATnospamaol.com
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com Subject: Re: K sensitivities
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In a message dated 8/12/98 9:16:40 PM Eastern Daylight Time, rogrimeATnospamibm.net writes:
> To think that a person can purge oneself of "judgments, condemnations,
hatreds and prejudices" by continuing to waste time watching such non-sense is a self-deception of the highest order. It amounts to rationalization of a
behaviour under the guise of operating from a more enlightened point of view.
Since I'm operating from a more enlightened point of view (helllooooo all of you down there!!!), hold on a sec while I adjust my pedestal.....
Ahem. Now. aummmmmmmmmmmmmmmm. ok ready.
You are right. Watching such nonsense is a self-deception of the highest
order. And what are we watching anyway?
> But, that certainly is the popular new-age mantra, "Everything is as it > should be right now."
(maybe if you snapped your fingers while chanting, you'd see it has a good
beat to it ...)
> However, it is lacking in full understanding. Such thinking leads us to > tolerate cruelty and violence amongst us.
Oh pooey Ron. I would think that it would bring out our best thinking --
ways and means to stop the insanity, cruelty and violence. If I think "everything is the way it should be", that only means acceptance of the
moment. That would include my own thinking that there is something a wee bit off about cruelty and violence should it come into my area of experience...
and would lead me to do something about it if it affected me in any way.
>I am reminded of a saying by Alexander Pope:
Hey no fair bringing the Pope in.
>Only a fully enlightened one can walk through mud and come out the other side clean and smelling like a lotus flower.
I thought we all do this. Are not our worst case scenarios we go through our
biggest advances in life? Maybe the *enlightened* just get to the end of the mud a bit quicker rather than wallowing in it for a while. Maybe we are more
enlightened than we think. We just have this time issue....
>If we mistake our level of spirituality, thinking that we can do the same thing, it is only to our own detriment.
Why did you say that? Are you trying to push me off my pedestal? Dangit Ron,
it took so long for me to get up here and now you have me wallowing in the mud once again. Oh! But what it does to my complexion and skin tho.... love those
mud baths!! (did I say thank you?) Thanks. >
> It is said that Satan can appear as an angel of light. I think he does that > best when he convinces us that we can engage in the normal foolishness of
the world and, at the same time, convinces us that we have simply reached a more enlightened viewpoint of tolerance.
Apparently you speak from experience. What would be your definition of
'normal foolishness' of the world?
You wrote: Much of the non-sense our society thrives on is greatly offensive to our spirits.
Do you really think spirit gives a hoot and gets offended? Spirit plays
neither offense or defense. They give the ball to the ego to run with.
Taking the game ball with me and going home...
Much Love, xxxtg
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"In biology the cell divides endlessly, but never becomes anything
different; but if we unite cells of opposite qualities, male and female, we lay the foundations of a structure whose summit is unattainably fixed in the
heavens of imagination.
"Similar facts occur in chemistry. The atom by itself has few constant qualities, none of them particularly significant; but as soon as an element
combines with the object of its hunger we get not only the ecstatic production of light, heat, and so forth, but a more complex structure having
few or none of the qualities of its elements, but capable of further combination into complexities of astonishing sublimity. All these
combinations, these unions, are Yoga."
-Aleister Crowley
full text at http://deoxy.org/annex/8yoga0.htm
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