1998/08/11 10:12
kundalini-l-d Digest V98 #558
kundalini-l-d Digest Volume 98 : Issue 558
Today's Topics:
RE: Shaktiwhat? [ Mystress Angelique Serpent <serpent ]
Re: A burning question [ "Jason S. White" <zymphtATnospambluewin.ch ]
Re: Shakti Masters [ Anurag Goel <anuragATnospamBhaskara.ee.iis ]
Re: Kundalini / Shaktipat [ Anurag Goel <anuragATnospamBhaskara.ee.iis ]
well. . . um . . er [ Maureen Heffernan <morlightATnospammhonlin ]
Re: Shakti Masters [ Ron Grimes <rogrimeATnospamibm.net> ]
Re: A burning question [ hbarrettATnospamix.netcom.com (Holly N. Ba ]
RE: Shaivism [ "jb" <janbarenATnospaminfase.es> ]
Re: Shakti Masters [ "Kat" <KcliffordATnospamodyssey.on.ca> ]
Re: well. . . um . . er [ "Kat" <KcliffordATnospamodyssey.on.ca> ]
RE: A burning question [ kyira_korriganATnospamdynapro.com (Kyira K ]
Re: Shakti Masters [ Matthew Bastress <mattbATnospamchrysalis.c ]
RE: mysticism and madness (was RE: S [ kyira_korriganATnospamdynapro.com (Kyira K ]
Kundalini/Shaktipat Book [ hyperATnospamhmt.com (HMT) ]
Re: Shakti Masters [ hyperATnospamhmt.com (HMT) ]
Re: Shakti Masters [ fredaann2ATnospamjuno.com (freda ann) ]
Re: Shakti Masters [ "Antoine" <acarreATnospamconcentric.net> ]
Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 23:58:46 -0700
From: Mystress Angelique Serpent <serpentATnospamdomin8rex.com>
To: AfperryATnospamaol.com
Cc: Dirk_HaueterATnospamhrsoft.com, Kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: RE: Shaktiwhat?
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Bravo, Alan! I am in agreement with you. I don't believe in "premature
awakenings". Goddess gets it right! Awakening before purification might
make for a hairier rollercoaster ride, but Goddess won't give you more than
you can handle.
Blessings, Mystress.
At 11:36 AM 10/08/98 EDT, AfperryATnospamaol.com wrote:
>Shakti is God and kundalini will
>not awaken unless/until God wills it, however worthy both the channel and the
>recipient.
>I think one of the dangers of the current List discussion about shaktipat is
>the tendency to reduce it to a purely human endeavour. I feel this is to
>degrade it.
Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 09:12:29 +0200
From: "Jason S. White" <zymphtATnospambluewin.ch>
To: <rogrimeATnospamibm.net>, <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Re: A burning question
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>Since my own K awakening in this life, and as the evolution of that energy
increases, I
>have noticed that my wife's orgasms continue to reach new levels, as well
as do her
>mystical states of mind during them. Any like observations by fellow
Kundalites?
>
>Thanks,
>
>Ron Grimes
>
I have had the same experience although it tends to leave my partner
exhausted and myself energized. I've found that periods of abstinence with
her helps us both to become more aware of the energetic exchange. Like
holding two magnets just slightly apart, the potential becomes enormous and
an obvious force in life.
Total abstinence is a practice that is talked about quite casually. My
feeling is that it can be dangerous to those who have not resolved their
lust. For me periods without a partner have been marked by increase in
energy but also an imperative to maintain awareness of the divine source of
energy. Without this there is a tendency to develop eccentricity,
morbidity, unbalance.
May all you experience each day a pleasant, urgent stirring in the belly
like squirrels at play.
Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 15:04:14 +0530 (IST)
From: Anurag Goel <anuragATnospamBhaskara.ee.iisc.ernet.in>
To: HMT <hyperATnospamhmt.com>
cc: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: Shakti Masters
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On Mon, 10 Aug 1998, HMT wrote:
> >All of this talk about awakening Kundalini by a Shaktipat master inclines me
> >to issue a
> >bit of warning to newbies who may think this is a great idea.
>
>
> Not to worry. How much Shakti you receive (take) and how much you retain
> really depends on the container (your body) you bring and your temperament.
>
> Not much development, only a little will come to you. Lots of development,
> lots will flow to you.
>
> The Shakti is intelligent and gives each one what he/she needs.
>
> Also, the Master removes any blockages at the time of initiation. You come
> under the protection of the Master and the lineage.
>
> Naturally it is always a good idea to research and study the Master and his
> lineage and to use discriminating awareness.
>
> My experience has been that Shaktipat has enhanced everyone that I've seen
> get it. I'm not promoting it. It's a personal choice.
>
> Worldly people blossom in worldly ways and spiritual people blossom in
> spiritual ways.
>
> I've never seen Shakti hurt anyone.
# If given in much excess it can even explode a inidividual in to
fragments.Guru gives as much as a disciple can handle it.
>
> It's written in the scriptures that people who try to initiate themselves
> by doing yogic practices irritate the Kundalini and usually have negative
> results.
# and so does My gurudev says that there r chances of Kundalini getting
deviated if risen only through yogic practices Dhauti,neti.........
>
> What Ron said about the flame staying lit once it's lit is true. It never
> goes out. Ever. Watch out what you wish for. You might get it.
>
>
> Kriyas bothering you and others around you?
>
> Try chocolate and/or bananas.
>
>
> Martin
>
>
>
>
>
>
Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 14:31:10 +0530 (IST)
From: Anurag Goel <anuragATnospamBhaskara.ee.iisc.ernet.in>
To: Ron Grimes <rogrimeATnospamibm.net>
cc: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: Kundalini / Shaktipat
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Ron that was very beatifully put. But one thing Ron an able Guru makes
the individual capable enough so that one can deal with that kundalini.
He/she constantly keep structuring the disciple 24hrs a day. And when one
is capable enough there is a kundalini awakening initiated by SatGuru.
By different kind of Dikshas and Shaktipat Guru makes the individual
capable of handling Kundalini.
Love,
Anurag
Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 06:31:01 +0000
From: Maureen Heffernan <morlightATnospammhonline.net>
To: Kundalini <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: well. . . um . . er
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Hi Marybeth,
I have chosen to be celibate -(sell-a-bit,sorry couldn't resist!) for
many years now and have found that all the female energies are
transmuted to the higher chakras. It is started with great effort and
attention and then becomes a way of life. The heart center and those
above produce the children of vision,esp,clarity
,clairaudience(hearing),levitation,etc. Most of our his-story is focused
on the male and not the female's or her-story. I agree much more should
be written about it as the female is naturally more receptive to
Spirit.Don't know what books to recommend can only offer my life
experience.
More Light!,
+ Maureen
Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 07:13:14 -0600
From: Ron Grimes <rogrimeATnospamibm.net>
To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: Shakti Masters
Message-ID: <35D05179.688F27A5ATnospamibm.net>
HMT wrote:
> Not to worry. How much Shakti you receive (take) and how much you retain
> really depends on the container (your body) you bring and your temperament.
>
> Not much development, only a little will come to you. Lots of development,
> lots will flow to you.
>
> The Shakti is intelligent and gives each one what he/she needs.
Really. Then how do you explain those in mental institutions who have had it accidently
and/or improperly awakened and are now labelled insane because they have no idea how to
deal with it?
In fact, the ancients warned that K going up the left channel can lead to insanity, and K
going up the right channel can cause physical damage.
- Ron
Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 08:29:53 -0500 (CDT)
From: hbarrettATnospamix.netcom.com (Holly N. Barrett, Ph.D.)
To: DruoutATnospamaol.com
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: A burning question
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Hillary wrote:
My guess is that celebacy jump starts K, but
>that it is unnecessary and has no real affect one way or another after
the
>awakening. Any other experiences??
I'm married and so cannot compare k-activity in celibate life, but in
general find that k has sanctified sex along with everything else.
Marriage is the number one rigorous spiritual path for me, though, not
because my husband is difficult (he's a peach), but because marriage
brings up all the petty, grotty little ways I keep myself from seeing
God in him (and myself). When, as they say, the mirror is clean, sex
and kundalini and prayer all get woven together in one basket that
Shakti gets poured into. And I'd better stop now before I go into
metaphor overload. Holly
Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 14:53:33 +0100
From: "jb" <janbarenATnospaminfase.es>
To: "K. list" <kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com>, "HMT" <hyperATnospamhmt.com>
Subject: RE: Shaivism
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Dear Martin,
Your articles about Shaivism I appreciate a lot. As in my practice all
states and samadhis were never in secluded rooms with eyes closed, I can
only testify that it is a must for integrating practice and "worldly life".
> and..... for the Musicians in the crowd:
>
> Dharana 18 Verse 41
>
>
> 2. When the music stops, it still vibrates in the memory. If the yogi does
> not allow his mind to wander to something else, but concentrate on the
> echo of the music, he will be absorbed in the source of all sound, viz;
> Paravak, and thus will acquire the nature of Bhairava."
>
>
> Pretty cool....
Long ago, I practiced walking meditation with mantra and experienced the
mantra still repeating while having dinner, several hours later. Since 10
years I am writing songs and quite often, the same is happening. The song I
am working on is repeating endlessly in the mind, irrespective of its other
occupations. Another advantage of being creative in (instrumental) music is
that one doesn't use the part of the mind that is relying on language for
its functioning. This is a joy by itself...
Jan
Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 11:05:23 -0400
From: "Kat" <KcliffordATnospamodyssey.on.ca>
To: "Anurag Goel" <anuragATnospamBhaskara.ee.iisc.ernet.in>, "HMT" <hyperATnospamhmt.com>
Cc: <kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com>
Subject: Re: Shakti Masters
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Hi Martin,
># If given in much excess it can even explode a inidividual in to
> fragments.Guru gives as much as a disciple can handle it.
Could you explain this to me a little bit further? How can you be sure that
a individual is in fragments to this reason and not for the reason of
MPD?(Mulitiple Personility Disorder) Has a new name now but I am not sure
what it is.
In L&L & Understanding,
Katharine.
Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 11:08:43 -0400
From: "Kat" <KcliffordATnospamodyssey.on.ca>
To: <morlightATnospammhonline.net>
Cc: <kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com>
Subject: Re: well. . . um . . er
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Hi Maureen and All,
>I have chosen to be celibate -(sell-a-bit,sorry couldn't resist!) for
>many years now and have found that all the female energies are
>transmuted to the higher chakras
I am glad that you could not resist! It gave me a chuckle when I needed
one! <grin>
. It is started with great effort and
>attention and then becomes a way of life. The heart center and those
>above produce the children of vision,esp,clarity
>,clairaudience(hearing),levitation,etc. Most of our his-story is focused
>on the male and not the female's or her-story. I agree much more should
>be written about it as the female is naturally more receptive to
>Spirit.Don't know what books to recommend can only offer my life
>experience.
I too would like to know a great deal more about this. I have many
questions in my mind but they are unformed and I do not know how to ask
them.
Just how much sex is involved in this change? I have a reason for asking.
The one thing I do know at the moment is that the depression that this
K-rising can set off can be really overwelming. I am also not to keen on
the way it demands answers to questions I did not even want to ask!
In L&L & Understanding,
Katharine
In L&L & Understanding,
Katharine
Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 08:16:56 -0700
From: kyira_korriganATnospamdynapro.com (Kyira Korrigan - DTI,MF)
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com (kundalini-l)
Subject: RE: A burning question
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> Since my own K awakening in this life, and as the evolution of that
energy
> increases, I have noticed that my wife's orgasms continue to reach new
> levels, as well as do her mystical states of mind during them. Any like
> observations by fellow Kundalites?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Ron Grimes
I've run into something similar. It is much more common for me that my
sexual partners experience blissful states during sex than I do. I don't
plan it or try for it, but all but one of my partners in the past three
years has regularly experienced some kind of kundalini affect while we
had sex, from mild to quite strong.
Sometimes I'm actually frustrated, that it's not happening to me ;)
-Kyira
Date: Tue, 11 Aug 98 11:41:44 EDT
From: Matthew Bastress <mattbATnospamchrysalis.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: Shakti Masters
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> In fact, the ancients warned that K going up the left channel can lead to insanity, and K
> going up the right channel can cause physical damage.
I've had this nagging intuitive feeling that if I had
been celibate (no sexual release) for a month or more
before my initiation the whole process would have been
a lot more gentle. Can anyone confirm this?
Matthew
Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 08:53:55 -0700
From: kyira_korriganATnospamdynapro.com (Kyira Korrigan - DTI,MF)
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com (kundalini-l)
Subject: RE: mysticism and madness (was RE: Shakt
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Ron wrote:
> Really. Then how do you explain those in mental institutions who have
had it
> accidently and/or improperly awakened and are now labelled insane
because
> they have no idea how to deal with it?
There's a significant amount of correspondance between the mystical
experience and madness, esp. schizophrenia. This is in experience,
manifested behaviour, and brainwave patterns. I don't know whether
anti-schizophrenia drugs will inhibit mystical experiences, though...
One explanation teachers of mine have come up with is that we are all
receiving "transmissions" from god/dess (just ask Philip K Dick) and only
a certain few receive them. For most of us, the first reception is
ignored and we slowly "tune" ourselves away from receiving messages
clearly. Some do tune in, and become more spiritually open. Of those, not
everyone can handle the attunement to god/dess; you can call them broken
vessels. Perhaps psychological, perhaps biological or karmic, they stop
being able to tune into the transmissions with increasing clarity and
instead end up restructuring their world into a place of madness, where
the voices come but they can't understand them for what they are.
This could imply that madness, or a state similar to madness, is
conducive for invoking direct communication from god/dess. There are
precedants where great illness or emotional crisis catalyse spiritual
powers.
Although I like the idea that "god/dess does it right" I think that grace
is name we give to explain why things happen without our complete
understanding or control. The Buddhist equivalent of grace is patience
(according to Trungpa, founder of Shambala). His tradition, and the
Tibetan tradition itself, imply that following the precepts, exhibiting
right action and right mindfulness, while studying and practicing hard,
will give you the k-awake experience *only if your karma is right for
it*. God doens't create your karma, you do.
My own experience, probably obvious in my argument, is that one need not
have a belief in god/dess in any concrete form to have k-awakening - but
it doesn't inhibit it. Both invocative and evocative enlightenment
techniques are useful, it is the honesty with which one approaches it all
that seems to be the major inhibitory factor.
-Kyira
Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 00:08:10 -0400
From: hyperATnospamhmt.com (HMT)
To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Kundalini/Shaktipat Book
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All this discussion has me going through the old spiritual book collection
and I rediscovered one that I would like to recommend. Covers everything.
Easy and fun to read.
It's called:
The Sacred Power A Seeker's Guide to Kundalini by Swami Kripananda
Suny Press
ISBN # 0-911307-39-7
Regarding the discussions at the moment, the chapter heading below which
are in the book are very applicable.
*The Descent of the Supreme into Matter
*The Awakening
*The Impact of the Divine Power
Some quotes to give you the flavor of the author's presentation:
On Shaktipat and the impact of Divine power:
"Our samskaras determine how we react to saktipat- the intensity with which
we receive it and the types of kriyas that it produces.
For this reason, even though the Guru bestows grace equally on all his or
her disciples, the result is never exactly the same. If the Guru's Shakti
enters a seeker who is pure and whose samskaras have been weakened through
previous sadhana, it will work in him very quickly. If all his nadis
(subtle channels through which the prana or life-force flows) are pure and
clear, he will receive Shakti with the greatest force. Conversely, if a
seeker has done very little sadhana or none at all, if his samskaras are
strong and unyielding, and if his system is full of impurities, it will
take the Shakti a long time to do its job. This is why people react very
differently to saktipat"
"The power of the Shakti is like fire. One has to be able to withstand it.
The higher states of consciousness will come at the right time- when one's
body has become strong and pure enough to hold the tremendous force of the
Shakti."
"A person receives as much as he can hold. The great saint Ramana Maharshi
once said that the grace of the Guru is like the ocean. If a seeker comes
with a cup, he or she will receive only a cupful. THere is no use
complaining that the ocean is miserly. The bigger the vessel a seeker
brings, the more he will be able to take away. It is entirely up to him."
Intensities of Shaktipat broadly catagorized by Abhinavagupta, 10th century
Shaivite sage:
1. Tivra- very intense
2. Madhya- moderate intensity
3. Manda- low intensity
"He has furthur broken down each of these catagories into three subgroups,
which he discusses one by one. He adds at the end that each of these nine
types of saktipat can in turn be broken down into three additional
subgroups, bringing the number to twenty-seven, and then each of these can
be further catagorized into many subsidiary types."
"1. A person who receives tivra-tivra (the most intense variety of intense
saktipat) attains spontaneous knowledge of the Self and instantaneous
liberation. He immediately understands that the pure, limitless, blissful
Consciousness is his own Self, and he sees everything as a reflection
appearing in that Consciousness. However, the force of the Shakti is so
intense in this form of intiation that his system cannot withstand it, and
he soon leaves his body. He becomes a Master in the subtle realms.
2. A person who receives tivra-madhya saktipat (still intense but less so)
also experiences a spontaneous realization of the Self, but he does not
leave his body. He remains in this world as Master for the upliftment of
mankind.
3. A person who receives tivra-manda saktipat (the slowest variety within
the intense category) does not experience spontaneous realization, so he
must find a Guru. He attains the highest state through the Guru's look,
word, thought, or touch. Through these three degrees of intense saktipat,
Lord Shiva creates Masters. With less intense varities of saktipat, He
creates disciples.
4. A person who receives madhya-tivra (the strongest of the moderate
degrees of saktipat) goes to a Master, but a touch or glance of the Master
will not enlighten him. The Guru initiates him into a mantra and teaches
him how to follow the spiritual path. He fully attains his divine nature
only when he leaves his physical body.
5. In the madhya-madhya degree of saktipat, a person has an intense desire
for Self-realization, however, he also retains some desire for worldly
pleasures. When he leaves the body, he goes to a celestial realm to
experience the pleasures there until he is fully satisfied. He receives
initiation once again in that realm, and there he merges into Shiva.
6. A person who receives madhya-manda degree of saktipat has a greater
desire for worldly pleasures than he does for Self-realization. When he
leaves his physical body, he goes to a celestial realm to satisfy his
longing for enjoyment. Then he must take birth again on earth as a yoga
brastha, one who has practiced yoga but was unable to complete his sadhana
in his previous lifetime. He continues his spiritual practice and attains
perfection in this birth.
7-9. A person who receives the manda, or least intense varitey of saktipat
has a strong attachment to worldly life. He yearns to attain
Self-realization only when things go badly for him. At that time he may
decide to renounce everything and dedicate himself exclusively to spiritual
practice, but he is unable to sustain it. He attains liberation in stages
by taking birth in some higher world and then returns to this physical
world to live out all his karmas and desires. This occurs over and over
again until he eventually attains the highest state."
******
This book is a great primer on Shaivism. Those are Shaivite teachings.
So you see, nothing to worry about. You'll only get what you deserve. :)
It does appear as if we all have our work cut out for us, though.
One funny personal anecdote:
The subject of dispensing of Grace came up in the group and our teacher
made the following comment regarding it.
He said,"Grace is dipensed gradually. Otherwise you will show off in front
of your friends".
I've thought about that one a lot. It would be very hard to keep from
trying to prove things to skeptical friends using siddhis.. Most likely
people would disbelieve it or become fanatics about it. Society hates
fanatics. In either case, use of siddhis (yogic powers) to mystify people
drags one backwards.
My understanding is that siddhis are just mile markers in the Sadhana. 20
years ago that Gnani yogi advised to ignore them and keep pushing forward,
past them.
In Shaivism, the level of siddhis is considered inferior knowledge. One
must go furthur, to the final level; complete merging with the all
pervading "I" consciousness.
Love you all. Everything being the Self, how could it be otherwise?
Martin
Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 00:19:41 -0400
From: hyperATnospamhmt.com (HMT)
To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: Shakti Masters
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>
>Really. Then how do you explain those in mental institutions who have had it
>accidently
>and/or improperly awakened and are now labelled insane because they have no
>idea how to
>deal with it?
>
>In fact, the ancients warned that K going up the left channel can lead to
>insanity, and K
>going up the right channel can cause physical damage.
>
>- Ron
Is there any empirical evidence available that the people you are referring
to in the mental institutions are disturbed or insane as a result of
improperly awakened Kundalini?
Who has made the diagnosis that these folks are insane as a result of
improper Kundalini awakening?
I would very much like to see the diagnostic tools being used to make this
determination.
martin
Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 09:22:59 -0700
From: fredaann2ATnospamjuno.com (freda ann)
To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: Shakti Masters
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HMT wrote:
>>The Shakti is intelligent and gives each one what he/she needs.
Ron replied:
>Really. Then how do you explain those in mental institutions who have
had it accidently
and/or improperly awakened and are now labelled insane because they have
no idea how to
deal with it?
freda here: (hello)
Having survived one of these delightful mental institutions myself, I can
give a personal explaination.
Labels are just labels, institutions are just institutions, insanity
exists outside the walls, moreso I think on the outside,,,,, some behind
the walls are there because thats where they *fit* there IS reality in
those places, it is in many cases a chosen community, becase it works for
them, this outside -the -wall reality is not something that they can as
you say "deal with" others may or may not be experiencing spiritual
awakenings,,,, some who came in sick might get spiriual awakenings....
I have a sneakin' hunch that I was one of the *sick* going in because for
what ever reason I really wasnt coping with life, didnt want to accually,
my reality was somewhat, well, distored.. and having gotten a clearer
picture, was in fact unable to cope,,,, somehow, dont know when, although
I suspect, again, that it was when I just let go, I think thats when K
got me -she snatched her chance - after ego had been trashed - but thats
maybe what it took for me, a wake up call.... a good many lessons came
from that experience, and when I think about it, it feels like, well, a
gift, in a really ugly wrapping paper, a shortcut---sent from
god/spirit--- I cant think of a more intense way at the time to forse me
to test the merit of my reality.... except maybe hidding' in a fox hole
in the middle of a battle,,,,, never done that but I can pitcure myself
scared as hell layin' in a foxhole prayin' for a different reality......
whatever it takes,
and for me I suppose it was being labeled and locked in an instituion,
It's like asking "why does god let children suffer"..... it is
experience, life, shit happens. In our day and time we put those who
arent *dealing* with it in institutions and give them drugs,,,, oh well,
that is how it is.... doenst mean ya got too much K it means you arent
coping, just because you get K doesnt mean the garbage in the world
goes away,
---although I was sure it had, once---
: ) nuf' ramble
freda
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Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 12:41:07 -0400
From: "Antoine" <acarreATnospamconcentric.net>
To: "Kat" <KcliffordATnospamodyssey.on.ca>,
"Anurag Goel" <anuragATnospamBhaskara.ee.iisc.ernet.in>,
"HMT" <hyperATnospamhmt.com>
Cc: <kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com>
Subject: Re: Shakti Masters
Message-ID: <01bdc546$d722b300$35f4adceATnospamconcentric>
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Hello Katherine,
>># If given in much excess it can even explode a inidividual in to
>> fragments.Guru gives as much as a disciple can handle it.
>
>Could you explain this to me a little bit further? How can you be sure
that
>a individual is in fragments to this reason and not for the reason of
>MPD?(Mulitiple Personility Disorder) Has a new name now but I am not sure
>what it is.
It has been said, also:
> In fact, the ancients warned that K going up the left channel can lead to
insanity, and K
> going up the right channel can cause physical damage.
The left and right channel can symbolise two general tendacies we have to
"evolve" around the central balanced path. One path being to look/identifie
to much with sky energy, male energy, yang, Shiva polarity. The other path
to identify ourselves too much to the earth, female, yin, Shakti polarity in
us.
I don't beleive that trying to find a reason why, as an individual, one
tends towards one side or the other will help as much, as to learn - how to
learn - to look for the central balance as the k flow grows "bigger" and
"bigger".
Working towards balance may be the hardest part, for we tend to find it
***BORING***, at first. I wonder if MPD comes from wanting to distract
oneself from oneself, as so many other disorder?...
Some find breathing boring, they don't know how much they really miss...
Antoine
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