1998/08/06 06:39
kundalini-l-d Digest V98 #549
kundalini-l-d Digest Volume 98 : Issue 549
Today's Topics:
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my aching head! [ "janpa tsomo" <j_tsomoATnospamhotmail.com> ]
Re: The wizard [ "Jason S. White" <zymphtATnospambluewin.ch ]
Re: The wizard [ Danijel Turina <dturinaATnospamhempseed.co ]
Fwd: Re: my aching head! [ "janpa tsomo" <j_tsomoATnospamhotmail.com> ]
UNSUBSCRIBE [ "KANTHAN RAMAKRISHNAN" <rkanthanATnospamho ]
Re: UNSUBSCRIBE [ mohamad fahmi muhsain <muhsainATnospamstud ]
symbols [ Maureen Heffernan <morlightATnospammhonlin ]
Re: THE AGE OF AQUARIUS, ILLUMINATIO [ "Magne Aga" <magneagaATnospammonet.no> ]
Re: UNSUBSCRIBE [ "K.M. WARFIELD" <kmwarfieATnospamjulian.uw ]
Re: THE AGE OF AQUARIUS, ILLUMINATIO [ "Magne Aga" <magneagaATnospammonet.no> ]
Re: The wizard [ Jax <jaxxATnospamihug.co.nz> ]
Re: oddities [ ImtgxxxATnospamaol.com ]
Re: ??? [ amckeonATnospamhsmail.nfld.k12.mn.us ]
Re: As Promised [ amckeonATnospamhsmail.nfld.k12.mn.us ]
Re: The wizard [ "Jason S. White" <zymphtATnospambluewin.ch ]
Re: Kundalini / Shaktipat [ F19AshATnospamaol.com ]
Evil old Wizard ? [ esther steinacher <esther.steinache ]
RE: my aching head! [ "jb" <janbarenATnospaminfase.es> ]
RE: The wizard [ "jb" <janbarenATnospaminfase.es> ]
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Date: Wed, 05 Aug 1998 13:07:22 PDT
From: "janpa tsomo" <j_tsomoATnospamhotmail.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: my aching head!
Message-ID: <19980805200722.13500.qmailATnospamhotmail.com>
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hi guys,
am finding folks weave webs with each other.
i keep having this sensation sometime of a 'sinking/dropping' along the
energy webs. esp with certain people who worry a lot.
its like i have no choice but to connect. then once connected its easy
to be overwhelmed and lose ground.
then it never fails i get headaches and sometimes even vertigo. also
find that it gets worse if i get personal about it all and resentful.
its like i dont work right unless i am working for all beings. if i
start to be selfish...i literally start to get sick. ok is janpa being
paranoid that others are 'stealing' her energy or is thsi a famillier
story?
was very cool being around Lama Lodu Rinpoche this weekend. he sounds
like my own guru.
maitri,
--janpa tsomo
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Date: Wed, 5 Aug 1998 22:07:52 +0200
From: "Jason S. White" <zymphtATnospambluewin.ch>
To: <kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com>, "Danijel Turina" <dturinaATnospamhempseed.com>
Subject: Re: The wizard
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>Why? For those who understand the object-oriented programming and that
>terminology: Sai Baba is not my "parent", he is my "sibling". For instance,
>TWindow is the parent. From the parent, TGraphWindow and TTextWindow are
>derived. They have the same parent, but are not in any other way related to
>each other. Sai Baba DOES NOT HAVE A SINGLE STUDENT. He DOESN'T have the
>"guru initiation". He is not capable of transferring Spirit. He is a
Beautiful! Great story! Great adventures! May your sibling's path become
straight. May those who have learned from him be thankful AND alert enough
to see his delusion as you have.
Compile this:
type
TAtma = class(TGod);
TGuru = class(TAtma);
TDanijel = class(TAtma);
const Atma = 1: TAtma
Guru = TGuru.Create;
Guru.Parent = Atma;
Danijel = TDanijel.Create;
Danijel.Parent = Atma;
if (Danijel.Guru.Location = Within) then
Message("One always never misunderstood!")
endif
May all your days be filled with clarity and your path be strewn with petals
of flowers delicately dusted with crystal glimmers of enlightenment.
Date: Wed, 05 Aug 1998 22:44:13 +0200
From: Danijel Turina <dturinaATnospamhempseed.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: The wizard
Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980805224413.00a8b100ATnospammustafa.hempseed.com>
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At 22:07 1998.08.05 +0200, you wrote:
>>Why? For those who understand the object-oriented programming and that
>>terminology: Sai Baba is not my "parent", he is my "sibling". For instance,
>>TWindow is the parent. From the parent, TGraphWindow and TTextWindow are
>>derived. They have the same parent, but are not in any other way related to
>>each other. Sai Baba DOES NOT HAVE A SINGLE STUDENT. He DOESN'T have the
>>"guru initiation". He is not capable of transferring Spirit. He is a
>
>
>
>Beautiful! Great story! Great adventures! May your sibling's path become
>straight. May those who have learned from him be thankful AND alert enough
>to see his delusion as you have.
>
>Compile this:
>
>type
> TAtma = class(TGod);
> TGuru = class(TAtma);
> TDanijel = class(TAtma);
>
>const Atma = 1: TAtma
>
>Guru = TGuru.Create;
>Guru.Parent = Atma;
>
>Danijel = TDanijel.Create;
>Danijel.Parent = Atma;
>
>if (Danijel.Guru.Location = Within) then
> Message("One always never misunderstood!")
>endif
>
>
>May all your days be filled with clarity and your path be strewn with petals
>of flowers delicately dusted with crystal glimmers of enlightenment.
:P~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ LOL ROTFL :)
Are we commenting the same movie here or have you too been watching too
much Baywatch? ;> ;) That sort of comments were exactly the reason why I at
first hesitated to publish the report here, I actually expected Harsha to
ask me "who is experiencing". But what the hell, I'm dumb, at least that's
no secret.
-----
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Date: Wed, 05 Aug 1998 13:56:35 PDT
From: "janpa tsomo" <j_tsomoATnospamhotmail.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Fwd: Re: my aching head!
Message-ID: <19980805205635.14300.qmailATnospamhotmail.com>
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>From: "janpa tsomo" <j_tsomoATnospamhotmail.com>
>To: j_tsomoATnospamhotmail.com, KcliffordATnospamodyssey.on.ca
>Subject: Re: my aching head!
>Date: Wed, 05 Aug 1998 13:52:56 PDT
>
>hehehe,
>
>maitri is sanskrit for 'love' or 'lovingkindness' i'm so used to using
>it i forget when someone doesnt know i mean it as a sign-off. maitri is
>the first of the 4 immesurables, maitri karuna mudita & upekesha.
>
>its an interlanguage joke of a sort. my name 'janpa' means 'maitri' in
>Tibetan.
>
>ya the wording thing is right on. i've been working on purification
>stuff more than i usually do too lately. Last few months i've been off
>again on again with the dizziness and headaches. Actually went to the
>doctor... he said probably labyrinthitis.
>
>then i noticed in meditation its not there. its when im in the 'real
>world' that i tend to notice this phenom. it can be very tiring.
>
>im not a very good yogini, but i keep at it.
>
>anurag i know u asked me about the om mani mantra. im not sure what i
>can and cant say about it (you know how we buddhists are about our
>mantras...)
>
>it means 'jewel in the lotus blossom', a veiled tantric reference to
>boot!
>
>the syllables and colours have meanings too. corresponding the the
>realms of buddhist cosmology & stuff.
>
>anyway!
>
>maitri,
>
>--jt
>
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Date: Wed, 05 Aug 1998 14:22:54 PDT
From: "KANTHAN RAMAKRISHNAN" <rkanthanATnospamhotmail.com>
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Date: Wed, 5 Aug 1998 16:27:39 -0500 (CDT)
From: mohamad fahmi muhsain <muhsainATnospamstudents.uiuc.edu>
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Date: Wed, 05 Aug 1998 17:34:25 +0000
From: Maureen Heffernan <morlightATnospammhonline.net>
To: Kundalini <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: symbols
Message-ID: <35C897A1.10EA4E02ATnospammhonline.net>
Hi Aimee,
Yes and no. No eagles or horse or numbers. Very,very different. It is of
no lanuage of earth. One would be like a sideways number four with two
bold lines underneath with a fountain effect, coming from the center of
it. The whole thing pulsating, electric beautiful colors. I somehow knew
by the different colorings and brilliance, which were the more important
ones. They were not entities but rather "concepts"??? Like if you took a
well known book - - say gone with the wind and summed it up in one
symbol. The symbols were that packed with information, but having
recieved so many my brain got a cramp. Sorry, I can't explain better for
you.
But the peace sign. Oh Yes! Hope I can explain so that you can see it.
Picture the elevation of the host by the priest at mass. His two arms
make the two lower slants of it. The host is above and "light" shoots up
from it to the top of the circle of light surrounding the priest. Yes?
More Light!
+ Maureen
Date: Thu, 6 Aug 1998 00:07:01 +0200
From: "Magne Aga" <magneagaATnospammonet.no>
To: "Wonderer" <mrtn74aATnospamprodigy.com>, <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Re: THE AGE OF AQUARIUS, ILLUMINATION (BODHI), AND THE MANAS CHAKRA
Message-Id: <199808052310.AAA13804ATnospamumbukta.monet.no>
----------
>
> I too have some dark days, when I have seen too much of the news and
> become saddened by people's inhumanity. Sometimes, it is more than I
> can understand.
>
> This world is full of sorrows meant to point us toward the path of
> inner illumination.
>
Dear Cathy
The bright side of these nightmare is that the deeper one dives into it,
the harder the tests and challenges are given - the more glorious the
victory. It's the Qi Gong self dence philosophy, so to say: To eliminate
evil with it's roots just when it is about to overwhelm you.
In these battle between choosing our mortal personality or our immortal
Divine Self, in these wandering through the dark caves in quest for the
Pearl of Compassion, trespassing the shells of our social made falls
identities, splintered by melted ice from above, in quest for the
non-duality center of our very being, these atman, these buddha-nature - we
must review and detach from ourselves the memories from past dualistism, as
they are throwed up.
These memories from former *belief systems* have a tendency to live *their
own life*, like ghosts from the past. But to relive them - to reexperience
them and let Go, is to heal our soul from scars of past experiences.
It's these ghosts, these memory patterns in my very cellular structure, I'm
working so hard to abolish.
The tragedy is that humanity, in the despair situation of NOW doesn't know
how near they are the end of their sorrows. A new unimaginable Age of Light
is about to dawn. But it doesn't seem so.
Everytime in history something new and bright is about to manifest, havoc
takes place, because everything want's to live, even the outdated and evil.
>From these viewpoint, the havoc and major crisis in our century (even the
world wars) becomes bitter-sweet; they are not pain ONLY, but the pain of
bearing child, the battle of freedom from samsara and karma, the
butterfly's battle out of the cocoon - into freedom and leaving behind.
The throwing up and disolvement of the *past* - cause and effect speeded
up, takes places simultaniously with the inflow of Fire. The old, outdated,
fights a desperate fight to live during these rebirth, making any effort
possible to resist change and prevent that which is non-preventable.
+ + +
"I know your flaws and your errors and your guilt feelings as intimately as
you consciously know them. This is because I personally have stirred up the
subconscious memory bank to throw up into the conscious mind recall those
inspirations and dreams and so fort, which promts you ... to review them"
- Sananda, March 24th, 1987
"For every person on the planet and for the Earth itself, karmic knots have
been loosened. Soul blockages now can more easily be dissolved"
- Sananda, July 24th, 1991
"The spiritual surges we are releasing during April will affect all planes
and planets throughout this solar system. Not only is the Earth to be
implanted and transmuted with these new frequency, but every level of light
throughout this entire solar system is to be changed and lifted to a new
expression of evolvment. Nothing will remain the same, for we are closing 4
major cycles that directly affect those on the etheric, astral and physical
planes.
Nothing is separated. All are interconnected. This effort for this
selected period of time require the coordination of every light worker on
the etheric. The etheric realms are common territory for every level, plane
and planet in this solar system.
We are working for the full cosmic consciousness of everyone in this
solar system so that it can become manifested in a time period, unknown and
unspecified, on the Earth planet. ...
It's our hope that this concentrated effort can be the final rending of
the 6th phase of the 7th veil. After that, if successful, we can respond to
the reactions of this might effort. ... This is the most important moment
for all of you in this current incarnation on Earth."
- Kootoomi, Maitreya, Morya, Sananda, Nada, April 1st, 1992
"A new day has dawned ! The 6th phase of the 7th veil has been rent
successfully. But it will take another 6 weeks, at least, for all the
mankind to feel the effects of this mighty accomplisment."
- Sananda, April 19th, 1992
Blessings
Magne
Date: Wed, 5 Aug 1998 18:15:39 -0400 (EDT)
From: "K.M. WARFIELD" <kmwarfieATnospamjulian.uwo.ca>
To: mohamad fahmi muhsain <muhsainATnospamstudents.uiuc.edu>
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Please remove my name from the Kundalini Yoga mailing list. My e-mail is
stated above and my name is Katie Warfield. Thanks in advance
Date: Thu, 6 Aug 1998 00:29:21 +0200
From: "Magne Aga" <magneagaATnospammonet.no>
To: <F19AshATnospamaol.com>, <mrtn74aATnospamprodigy.com>, <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Re: THE AGE OF AQUARIUS, ILLUMINATION (BODHI), AND THE MANAS CHAKRA
Message-Id: <199808052332.AAA14055ATnospamumbukta.monet.no>
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> From: F19AshATnospamaol.com
> To: mrtn74aATnospamprodigy.com; kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
> Subject: Re: THE AGE OF AQUARIUS, ILLUMINATION (BODHI), AND THE MANAS
CHAKRA
> Date: Wednesday, August 05, 1998 9:27 PM
>
> after a while of meditation on the subject: WHY ARE WE HERE ON EARTH?...i
> realized that it is to learn. "Adam and Eve" as examples were placed on
earth
> because they did not learn right and wrong from God. They had to learn
it on
> their own then, on Earth (even tho i believe the Adam and Eve story is
pure
> fiction...)
>
Sol-O-Man Sananda
Adah Abel
Zolanda
(High priestess on Earth Temple, Atlantis)
Yonah Noah
Asenath Khufu
Margoah Melchizedek
?
(anonymous
incarnation)
Moses
King Solomon
Eliah
Parshandathah Zarathustra
Yasodhara Gautama Buddha
Eunice Socrates
Mary Jesus
(The twin-soul incarnations mentioned in The Second book of Acts)
The word "Adam" is symbolic meaning "the first", in sanscrit Adi - meaning
the first human(s), the first race or segment of humanity.
So is "Adah".
Adah and Abel is denoting the first human race, and spesific spiritual
teachers in the same time. A mixture of an allegory and twisted historic
facts.
Date: Thu, 06 Aug 1998 15:45:10 +1200
From: Jax <jaxxATnospamihug.co.nz>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: The wizard
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Danijel, you wrote:
>------
>>From the beginning...
>
>3.7.
>We come to Prashanti ashram in the morning... not quite ourselves from the
>trip, many things don't look quite right but we attribute it all to our
>condition and similar things. One of the first things we noticed is the
>dome Sai mounted above the areas of his influence... the dome "eats" the
>astral, I noticed that by some symptoms: for instance, when two people walk
>down a road talking. You go between them, and you can sense the "cloud",
>fragments of prana, astral and similar things. Here, it is not present.
>Also, at other places you can see crap on people, astral and mental forms,
>good or bad, it doesn't matter, they can be seen. Not in Prashanti. We
>decide that it must be something good, that he is probably cleansing crap
>from people, so he could work with them seriously later. We go to the
>afternoon darshan (which means crowd gathering in an overcast area in front
>of the mandir, where Sai walks, takes letters from some, calls some for the
>interview or materializes some junk). Total disappointment. Sai looks like
>an old man with brain damage. Absolutely nothing, his energy isn't much,
>nothing special can be felt from him, he doesn't recognize us... nothing.
My name is Jacqueline and I usually lurk around the list. I have been
absent for about 6 months but have just recently come back.
I read your words with interest... Its surprised me that though you
condemned this man's practise of taking another man's karma you took his
karma upon yourself. Whilst saying it was a set of lessons that should
have been learnt you deprived another of a posible death situation which
may have proved to be a valuable lesson.
I read how you broke down/attacked a dome and also yourself was attacked.
It seems you two a quite alike.
What aspect is he of yours??
...jacqueline
Date: Thu, 6 Aug 1998 01:04:39 EDT
From: ImtgxxxATnospamaol.com
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: oddities
Message-ID: <9f51277c.35c93969ATnospamaol.com>
In a message dated 8/5/98 8:18:20 AM Hawaiian Standard Time,
serpentATnospamdomin8rex.com writes:
<< The moments of your life are ticking down, as you watch TV... someday it
will be over, and you will look back and think of how you spent your time
incarnate >>
As above
So below
The Guiding Light
is my favorite
TV show
xxxtg
Date: Wed, 5 Aug 1998 19:46:31 -0600
From: amckeonATnospamhsmail.nfld.k12.mn.us
To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: ???
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Tom smith wrote:
>Have you thought of becoming a writer? Seriously, your words simply flow
>very smoothly, until you start to doubt that another would be interested in
>what you are conveying. Write more, you're a good writer!
I had that exact same thought after reading Paul Torres' email. The
detachment he speaks of definitely strikes me as "writer's detachment," the
ability to step far enough out of your own life to take notice of what's
going on with other people's lives... to be an observer more than a
participant.... and by that token to be able to truly "see." It can be bit
alienating at times though, can't it?
with apologies for the lateness of this response,
amckeon
Date: Wed, 5 Aug 1998 22:27:58 -0600
From: amckeonATnospamhsmail.nfld.k12.mn.us
To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: As Promised
Message-Id: <l03020901b1eed73ff074ATnospam[206.103.216.205]>
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>Hi, how do you go about getting auric photos? I've heard of it, but does
>one have to have special equipment? Jennifer
When I went to the "Whole Life Expo" there was someone there doing auric
photos. The price was somewhere between $15-$35 as I recall. They are on
the web at http://www.wholelife.com
If you live near Cleveland, Ohio; Austin, Texas; Chicago, Illinois;
Atlanta, Georgia; or Portland, Oregon it's coming soon to an auditorium or
convention center near you! Check it out! Our very own Flute is going to be
at the Austin one, as well!
amckeon
*wishing she hadn't been so cheap and had gone for one of those aura
portraits herself*
Date: Thu, 6 Aug 1998 08:52:01 +0200
From: "Jason S. White" <zymphtATnospambluewin.ch>
To: "Danijel Turina" <dturinaATnospamhempseed.com>
Cc: "Kundalini" <Kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Re: The wizard
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>>May all your days be filled with clarity and your path be strewn with
petals
>>of flowers delicately dusted with crystal glimmers of enlightenment.
>
>:P~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ LOL ROTFL :)
>Are we commenting the same movie here or have you too been watching too
>much Baywatch? ;> ;) That sort of comments were exactly the reason why I at
>first hesitated to publish the report here, I actually expected Harsha to
>ask me "who is experiencing". But what the hell, I'm dumb, at least that's
>no secret.
I'm glad you published the report. My sort of comments triggered your
negative expectations. Perhaps my sense of humor is a bit odd. You are not
dumb by any means. Your energy here on the list is quite powerful and
refeshingly upturning. Normally a knee-jerk response can be discarded in
favor of pause, discrimination, higher judgement. No malice is meant here.
May all you days be filled with the calmness of a lazy river moving like a
nap through a shaded summer afternoon.
Date: Thu, 6 Aug 1998 03:12:43 EDT
From: F19AshATnospamaol.com
To: hyperATnospamhmt.com, kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: Kundalini / Shaktipat
Message-ID: <b9de2a9.35c9576cATnospamaol.com>
but on the kundalini info web page i read certain things that qualify someone
to be experiencing kundalini awakening...and the page did not mention going to
see someone or the word "shaktipat" at all but things like "seeing visions,
health anomilies that cant be explained etc. Personally, I believe words like
"shaktipat" are just words--period. I mean, if you are going to experience
something like a kundalini awakening, there of course are no true words to
describe it. Im sure the word is like a different language etc....but then
why cant all that experience these things be able to understand it. I dont
wish to go to some "master" myself. I feel I should let God do what God wills
to me instead.
Date: Thu, 06 Aug 1998 21:36:50 +0500
From: esther steinacher <esther.steinacherATnospamxtra.co.nz>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Evil old Wizard ?
Message-ID: <35C9DBA2.27BFATnospamxtra.co.nz>
Who are we to judge,
control-certainly,
I have always experianced an abhorant evil that surrounds perfection
waiting to asail,sounds just like it to me,but then maybe i dont know
what im talking about,Help is probabably in need, hard to hold such
power,Sad,
Love to you All
Earle
Date: Thu, 6 Aug 1998 12:24:22 +0100
From: "jb" <janbarenATnospaminfase.es>
To: "K. list" <kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com>,
"janpa tsomo" <j_tsomoATnospamhotmail.com>
Subject: RE: my aching head!
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Janpa:
[...]
> its like i dont work right unless i am working for all beings. if i
> start to be selfish...i literally start to get sick. ok is janpa being
> paranoid that others are 'stealing' her energy or is thsi a famillier
> story?
Jan: Stealing energy isn't what is taking place. You are aren't getting sick
or paranoid, but you are becoming aware of other's sickness in a rather
literary sense. What I used to do, was to cause some pleasant event so that
the one who 'seemed' to be stealing energy, got in a much better mood but
without focusing attention on me. If this is done often and with care, you
are actually helping (healing) people. Small talk and K. don't mix well,
with the exception of humor. So I used to move the conversation away from
the personal to humor or impersonal affairs like the weather. If that wasn't
possible, I went back to work or any other activity where I would be left
alone. It reminds me of an event at my job:
The company wasn't very fortunate with the choice of copiers. At a time the
machine was behaving so badly that each day it broke down. As my little lab
was on the way to the copier, all my colleagues visited me and released
their anger and frustration. I decided that something had to be done and
wrote a poem, wording the frustration of the colleagues in a mix of sarcasm,
mockery and humor. It was without any offense. When the mechanic arrived
next day, he took an oath, never to visit us anymore. He repaired the
copier and the next day it was defect again. My superior called for another
mechanic but all mechanics refused. Another copier had to be bought and this
time, it was a reliable one that never broke down. My colleagues were rather
grateful. The fate of the mechanics was predictable: either compromise with
conscience (continue repairing badly designed machines), change employer
(service properly designed machines) or convince the present employer that
improvements had to be made.
Date: Thu, 6 Aug 1998 13:19:05 +0100
From: "jb" <janbarenATnospaminfase.es>
To: "K. list" <kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com>,
"Danijel Turina" <dturinaATnospamhempseed.com>
Subject: RE: The wizard
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Danijel:
> [...] He also doesn't have the guru initiation, so he
> is completely incapable to awaken the others - [...]
Jan: Ramana Maharshi didn't have a guru initiation, yet he awakened many...
The guru initiation opens the door to the question: Who initiated the first
guru? The 'inner guru' did, as was the case with Ramana Maharshi and many
others. Ramana Maharshi used the analogy with fuel: some fuel will burn
slowly, some fuel has to be dried first and some fuel will burn quickly and
without smoke (no problems with K. whatsoever). So he himself belonged to
the rare class of self-igniting and smokeless fuel. His remarks prove he was
an (auto) initiate of K. and many of his devotees experienced K. awakening.
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