1998/07/27 22:48
kundalini-l-d Digest V98 #538
kundalini-l-d Digest Volume 98 : Issue 538
Today's Topics:
Re: What was it? [ Harsha1MTMATnospamaol.com ]
Re: kundalini-l-d Digest V98 #535 [ Harsha1MTMATnospamaol.com ]
Re: AutoPost from Kundalini Resource [ Harsha1MTMATnospamaol.com ]
Re: What was it? [ Wonderer <Mrtn74AATnospamprodigy.com> ]
Re: ??? [ Wonderer <Mrtn74AATnospamprodigy.com> ]
Re: 666 [ Anurag Goel <anuragATnospamBhaskara.ee.iis ]
Re: What was it? [ Mystress Angelique Serpent <serpent ]
om mani... [ "janpa tsomo" <j_tsomoATnospamhotmail.com> ]
Re: kundalini-l-d Digest V98 #535 [ Marybeth Gottshall <kmgATnospamtaconic.net ]
something unusual... [ F19AshATnospamaol.com ]
RE: What was it? [ "jb" <janbarenATnospaminfase.es> ]
Re: A Loving Amen [ "Alan Gaskins" <alan_gaskinsATnospamhotmai ]
Illusion [ Lizard4663ATnospamaol.com ]
Re: A Loving Amen [ "Alan Gaskins" <alan_gaskinsATnospamhotmai ]
Re: Illusion [ "Alan Gaskins" <alan_gaskinsATnospamhotmai ]
Re: Illusion [ Ron Grimes <rogrimeATnospamibm.net> ]
Astrology and K rising [ Ron Grimes <rogrimeATnospamibm.net> ]
Re: What was it? [ MoonrisempATnospamaol.com ]
Re: kundalini-l-d Digest V98 #535 [ "Joseph Miller" <joemillerATnospamhotmail. ]
Re: something unusual... [ Stormy May <stormymATnospamjps.net> ]
RE: The Seeds of Self-Delight [ "jb" <janbarenATnospaminfase.es> ]
A quick trip [ "Kat" <KCliffordATnospamodyssey.on.ca> ]
RE: Illusion [ "jb" <janbarenATnospaminfase.es> ]
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1998 12:53:26 EDT
From: Harsha1MTMATnospamaol.com
To: KCliffordATnospamodyssey.on.ca, kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: What was it?
Message-ID: <5ad12298.35bcb088ATnospamaol.com>
In a message dated 7/27/1998 9:06:55 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
KCliffordATnospamodyssey.on.ca writes:
<< My sister however
saw what I felt. She saw something leave my body at the exact time that I
screamed. She said it had a glow about it and somewhat white but see
through. She believes that a part of me died that day and went with my son.
Is this possible? and should I be trying to get that part of me back? >>
Harsha: Some things are hard to explain. When my grandmother (my father's
mother) passed away in India, we were here in the U.S. One day we were coming
back to our car after visiting a park. My parents were ahead of us. Both my
parents saw a dense bright white light come out of nowhere. They watched it in
amazement. It circled the car several times and then floated. After a few
seconds it zoomed away and disappeared. Then we got the telegram about my
grandmother. My parents still remember and talk about the "incident"
sometimes. The bond between souls transcends time and space.
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1998 13:04:55 EDT
From: Harsha1MTMATnospamaol.com
To: joemillerATnospamhotmail.com, KCliffordATnospamodyssey.on.ca
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: kundalini-l-d Digest V98 #535
Message-ID: <4bb8f08e.35bcb338ATnospamaol.com>
In a message dated 7/27/1998 7:44:12 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
joemillerATnospamhotmail.com writes:
<< I
wouldn't take any drugs for mental issues unless absolutely necessary.
They'll just gunk things up more and mean you'll have to keep going
through this cleaning process to get rid of the drug residue as well as
the stuff it won't let you face.
A simple meditation every day should help. Cross-legged, relax, back
straight, eyes closed, do Samabyas (I'm a poor speller, it is also
called alternate nostril breathing) for about 10-15 minutes, then
meditate for at least that long to twice that long using the mantra "Om"
or the Gayatri mantra, posted in a recent edition of the digest by Ron
Grimes:
OM BHUR BHUVAH SVAH
TAT SAVITUR VARENYAM
BHARGO DEVASYA DIMAHI
DHIYO YO NAH PRACHODAYAT
You might also greet the day with a few sun-salutations.
Namaste,
Joe
>>
Harsha: Good advice from Joe. Take care of diet, do some exercise, and stay
away from drugs. Drink juices and other vegetable liquids. Use medicine
judiciously only when really needed and not as a crutch. Gayatri Mantra is a
great purification mantra. It is a universal prayer in India and many Hindu
children have usually memorized it by age 3 or 4. It was the first mantra
that I practiced as a child along with pranayama with a focus on Ajna. I
believe audio tapes for proper recitation are available from many
organizations.
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1998 13:11:23 EDT
From: Harsha1MTMATnospamaol.com
To: gurumurthysATnospamhotmail.com, kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: AutoPost from Kundalini Resource Center
Message-ID: <61a7c110.35bcb4beATnospamaol.com>
In a message dated 7/27/1998 6:26:17 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
gurumurthysATnospamhotmail.com writes:
<< Hi,
I am very much interested in kundalini yoga and have read some books about
it. I want to know a good method to get introduced to this practice? Would I
need to find a guru? If so, can you suggest anyone? Can you also suggest some
good books/online articles about it?
Thanks,
>>
Harsha: The following article on the Web, based on my own experience and
background, may be helpful for those interested in Kundalini awakening and
Self-Realization. It contains important cautions about meditation and
pranayama.
The Spiritual Experience and the Awakening of
>Kundalini Shakti in Tantra Yoga
>http://www.telebyte.nl/~frans/kundalini/harsh.html
Here is some Shakti inspired poetry about the Goddess and enlightenment.
http://www.telebyte.nl/~frans/kundalini/poetry.html
Best wishes to all....
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1998 14:55:28 -0700
From: Wonderer <Mrtn74AATnospamprodigy.com>
To: Kat <KCliffordATnospamodyssey.on.ca>
CC: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: What was it?
Message-ID: <35BCF750.69FDATnospamprodigy.com>
Kat wrote:
> (snip)
My sister however saw what I felt. She saw something leave my body at the exact time
that I screamed. She said it had a glow about it and somewhat white but see through.
(snip)
Dear Kat,
I have read of disembodied souls sharing a body with a weak, or willing, host. It would
seem natural in this case for the baby's spirit to return to you, and for you in your
grief to welcome that soul. At my last death, I refused to leave this physical plane
until "the scene had finished". Perhaps the funeral was the last scene for your baby to
witness, and then he knew it was time to return.
It was right for him to return, so he can continue with his evolution.
Your vision also explains the SIDS death. I had actually decided to return to the
astral when I was a baby. I left my body, and returned there with no intention of ever
coming back. My mother followed me there, and was able to convince me to return. In my
case, I felt she had broken our agreement, and that I had no obligation to continue the
life together. She returned home after that; she had abandoned me to my father's care.
In your case, your son in the vision explained this was supposed to be a short life
together, a painful one?, to satisfy Karma. Perhaps, with some of that karma spent,
your child can be reborn to a better future, and can re-enter your life. Note,
just for the record, however, that I no longer believe in satisfying karma, just in
making no more of it. "Go forth and sin no more". A great many souls are still
operating this way, and that explains intentionally beginning a life of pain.
Love,
Cathy
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1998 15:07:35 -0700
From: Wonderer <Mrtn74AATnospamprodigy.com>
To: Paul Torres <island_11ATnospamhotmail.com>
CC: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: ???
Message-ID: <35BCFA27.7B64ATnospamprodigy.com>
Paul Torres wrote:
(snip)
As I have been growing recently, I believe that I have learned to have more
love than I have for either of these two girls, but I believe that the love
that I feel towards them is influenced by the parts of these people who I
have described to you.
(snip)
Hi Paul,
Glad you're back. You are a very sensitive person, and I believe you are learning to
feel God's love for a variety of creatures and people.
Remember our thoughts and emotions are not really us. A few nights ago, I was looking
at my sleeping child and felt such love for him. I thought "God loves David so much".
How do I know? Because I feel that love pouring through me when I see him.
When does this love mean you are supposed to spend time together, as in have a
relationship? That you will know, because you will desire it. That too, will be a
desire given to you by God.
God is love. We are consciousness, awareness. If we are feeling love, we are aware of
God's love in that moment.
Cathy
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1998 20:33:02 +0530 (IST)
From: Anurag Goel <anuragATnospamBhaskara.ee.iisc.ernet.in>
To: flute <fluteATnospamtexas.net>
cc: "kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com" <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Re: 666
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On Mon, 27 Jul 1998, flute wrote:
> and 666 is 999 upside down..
> Nine is the release of karma in Fung Shui. So for someone you are
> obsessing about.. hate, frustration, etc. Send them 9 Red Roses..
> Roses have 9 petals so 9 +9 = 81 which is another 9.
> Its a great release for your mind. My friend even uses Aum Mani Padme
> Aum to complete the circuit. And you know what.. It works..
I think that there is fault in this mantra "Aum mani Padme Aum" .
love
Anurag
>
> So for you 666'ers.. 999 to you..
> love,
> flute
>
>
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1998 13:22:25 -0700
From: Mystress Angelique Serpent <serpentATnospamdomin8rex.com>
To: "Kat" <KCliffordATnospamodyssey.on.ca>
Cc: <kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com>
Subject: Re: What was it?
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Hi Kat:
Peace be on you. Nothing is lost, nothing needs to be found.
Your son did not go into the light, right away. Instead, he followed the
aka cord connecting you both and went back onto the womb. He did not know
he was dead.
The funeral served to bring angels to take him home. The silence and
pause, was the presence of eternity. The angel of Death. Time stopped.
The scream was him, realizing that he was dead and he had to leave you.
He did not want to go. Your sister saw his soul departing your body.
I am honored that you shared this old pain with us, I hope that you can
find comfort in this knowing.
Blessings, Mystress.
At 11:16 AM 27/07/98 -0400, Kat wrote:
>Hi All,
>
>The reading of recent messages has given me the strength to ask this
>question. I lost my son through SIDS (Sudden Infants Death Syndrome) at 5
>weeks. At the funeral service something very strange happened. I will
>explain it from my point of view and then my sisters. The priest was doing
>the last part of it......up until then I was just in a very quiet state. I
>could detect that for some reason nothing was moving anymore. The wind
>stopped blowing and there was no sound to be heard. Silence surrround us.
>It was as if the world was mourning with me. It was then that everything
>went strange. The priest started the part about dust to dust......all of a
>sudden something deep inside of me came screaming out. I screamed the words
>no and began to loose all strength in my body and began to fall. I was
>aware at all times. I felt something leaving me but I could not reach it
>and pull it back. I have always felt as if a part of me died that day that
>would never come back.
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1998 14:02:15 PDT
From: "janpa tsomo" <j_tsomoATnospamhotmail.com>
To: fluteATnospamtexas.net, anuragATnospamBhaskara.ee.iisc.ernet.in
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: om mani...
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how could the mantra of the bodhisattva of compassion have a problem?
i've heard 'om mani padme hung' 'om mani peme hum'. etc...
--janpa
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Date: Mon, 27 Jul 98 17:36:37 -0500
From: Marybeth Gottshall <kmgATnospamtaconic.net>
To: "Joseph Miller" <joemillerATnospamhotmail.com>, <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Re: kundalini-l-d Digest V98 #535
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Dear Joe,
You said:
>Did he give you any more detail of the purple's shade, any mixed hues,
>etc.? That is important because "smoky purple" is associated with a good
>(proper channel) rising to the throat (a seat of psychic powers) while
>I've been informed by some people trained in a more western approach to
>this stuff that Vajra gives off purple, but of a very different hue.
>
>I am inclined to guess it is a Vajra rising.
Can you (or someone) tell me what a Vajra rising is? Please excuse my
ignorance, but I am unfamiliar with this concept. And how does one tell
the difference between this and a Kundalini rising?
Love and Peace,
Marybeth
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1998 18:10:18 EDT
From: F19AshATnospamaol.com
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: something unusual...
Message-ID: <f2ce248d.35bcfacbATnospamaol.com>
Hello everyone
Last night I felt something very strange run thru me. I was lying in bed
trying to sleep, which for some reason I couldnt. (It was probably the heat)
So I decided to concentrate on "higher matters" and I tried to imagine my
body floating to the ceiling...like as to enter the astral plane...(which ive
never been able to do outside my dreams). Let me also mention that my little
black kitten Merlin was trying to sleep on my legs. All of a sudden, after
awhile, when I had my eyes closed and I was consentrating hard, but it seem
like not at all, it felt like my whole body began to vibrate. I almost felt
numb, but I could feel everything more too. I felt the energy in my body
pulse as if it were almost a foot that had fallen asleap and was almost awake
(with those pins and needles feeling), yet it didnt hurt at all. I felt so
alive, but it was freaky too. After I started to feel this, I forced my eyes
open for a second, and the vibration stopped. Then I closed my eyes quickly,
and it began again. By this time I realized I wasnt ready for this, so I
opened my eyes again and shook it off...moved around...moved my cat off my
legs. The rest of the night tho, I couldnt sleep at all until my boyfriend
came in to say goodbye to me because he was leaving for work. Does anyone
have any explination for this experience i had? Did I open the gateway to the
astral plane? Did my kitten help me with this because he was laying on my
legs? Should I have continued to feel the vibration until something else
happened or was I right in stopping it? What was the vibration itself
exactly? Thank you for any responses from this. Love and Light, Blessed Be,
Emily
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1998 00:44:06 +0100
From: "jb" <janbarenATnospaminfase.es>
To: "K. list" <kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com>, "Kat" <KCliffordATnospamodyssey.on.ca>
Subject: RE: What was it?
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Kat wrote:
> [...] all of a
> sudden something deep inside of me came screaming out. I
> screamed the words
> no and began to loose all strength in my body and began to fall. I was
> aware at all times. I felt something leaving me but I could not reach it
> and pull it back. I have always felt as if a part of me died
> that day that
> would never come back.
Jan: Sometimes relationships make clear, that time and space are easily
abridged. At a time when my life was endangered (driving down from a
mountain peak on a road with 10 inches of snow where too much breaking meant
the ravine as would too little breaking) my mother knew the exact time and
the duration of the ordeal - my father had made her write it down. When my
brother had died, a neighbor could tell my parents that his karma was
exhausted. Seeing karma was a siddhi that had developed spontaneously and
she used it only to help. She asked me, to talk to her son when I had the
time, because she hadn't succeeded in interesting him in spiritual life. I
was surprised - why me? I understood, when a few weeks later she too had
left the body.
From: the Life and Teachings of the Buddha
THE LIGHT OF ASIA
by Sir Edwin Arnold
This is the doctrine of the KARMA. Learn!
Only when all the dross of sin is quit,
Only when life dies like a white flame spent
Death dies along with it.
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1998 17:36:28 PDT
From: "Alan Gaskins" <alan_gaskinsATnospamhotmail.com>
To: serpentATnospamdomin8rex.com, mrtn74aATnospamProdigy.com
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com, starjunkyATnospamuswest.net
Subject: Re: A Loving Amen
Message-ID: <19980728003628.28100.qmailATnospamhotmail.com>
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>Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 08:36:49 -0700
>From: Wonderer <mrtn74aATnospamProdigy.com>
>To: "Alan Gaskins <alan_gaskinsATnospamhotmail.com>;Mystress Angelique
Serpent" <serpentATnospamdomin8rex.com>
>CC: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com, starjunkyATnospamuswest.net
>Subject: A Loving Amen
>
>Alan, for me, Jesus is a role model of how to live purely on this
earth.
> When he said "I am the way", I take this to mean that He is a living
>example of the path to God. By his words, deeds, and loving example,
we
>have a map to the heart of God.
>
>I have been trying to feel my love for God, and I find it is
>difficult to feel love for a nameless, faceless entity. I believe this
>is my current life mission. I was meditating on this love for God, and
I
>came away with the words "Learn to love yourself and you will love
God."
>
>Amen.
>
>Cathy
>
>
sorry it took so long to respond,thank you for this.
I believe a fair english equivalent for Amen is "so be it". And, as
Mystress indicated, who needs a face/name when God is Love of the most
indescribable variety
NAMASTE
Everything is relative to the mind, including the mind itself...
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Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1998 20:38:52 EDT
From: Lizard4663ATnospamaol.com
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Illusion
Message-ID: <972cdb02.35bd1d9dATnospamaol.com>
Sometimes I feel we are all living an illusion.
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1998 17:51:21 PDT
From: "Alan Gaskins" <alan_gaskinsATnospamhotmail.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com, serpentATnospamdomin8rex.com
Subject: Re: A Loving Amen
Message-ID: <19980728005122.12807.qmailATnospamhotmail.com>
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>Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 18:16:00 -0700
>To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
>From: Mystress Angelique Serpent <serpentATnospamdomin8rex.com>
>Subject: Re: A Loving Amen
>
>At 06:07 PM 21/07/98 -0700, Mystress Angelique Serpent wrote:
>
>>Lemme fix that link..
>>
> It's a stubborn one..
>http://www.hotbot.com/?MT=Gnostic+Christian&SM=MC&_v=2&OPs=MDRTP&DE=1&DC=100
>&DV=180
>
> The website I spent the weekend studying is
> http://home.fireplug.net/~rshand/streams/query.html
> Blessings, Mystress.
>
> Thank you Mystress!!!
>
>
Everything is relative to the mind, including the mind itself...
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Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1998 18:03:20 PDT
From: "Alan Gaskins" <alan_gaskinsATnospamhotmail.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com, Lizard4663ATnospamaol.com
Subject: Re: Illusion
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>From: Lizard4663ATnospamaol.com
>Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1998 20:38:52 EDT
>To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
>Subject: Illusion
>
>Sometimes I feel we are all living an illusion.
>
>
Perhaps that is because life, as defined by ego, IS an illusion.
Welcome this as a breakthrough to Being - getting past the duality, into
the Oneness of I AM. So there is no need to "live" anything - just be
I Am - and know that you are Perfect.
Everything is relative to the mind, including the mind itself...
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Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1998 19:43:20 -0600
From: Ron Grimes <rogrimeATnospamibm.net>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Illusion
Message-ID: <35BD3AC8.D921B079ATnospamibm.net>
Alan Gaskins wrote:
> Perhaps that is because life, as defined by ego, IS an illusion.
> Welcome this as a breakthrough to Being - getting past the duality, into
> the Oneness of I AM. So there is no need to "live" anything - just be
> I Am - and know that you are Perfect.
> Everything is relative to the mind, including the mind itself...
Zen master Hung-jen wanted to choose a successor, so he asked his students
to compose a poem which would convey their depth of realization.
The senior student, Shen-hsiu composed this poem:
"The body is the the Bodhi Tree;
the mind is like a clear mirror;
moment by moment, wipe the mirror carefully;
let there be no dust upon it."
The new student, Hui-neng, composed this poem:
"Bodhi really has no tree;
the mirror too has no stand;
from the beginning there's nothing at all;
where can any dust alight?"
Hui-neng became the next ancestral patriarch of Zen.
-----------------------------------
"Before attaining enlightenment,
mountains are mountains, rivers are rivers.
At the moment of enlightenment,
mountains are no longer mountains, nor are rivers rivers.
But after accomplishing enlightenment,
mountains are mountains, rivers are rivers."
- Diamond Sutra
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1998 20:00:06 -0600
From: Ron Grimes <rogrimeATnospamibm.net>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Astrology and K rising
Message-ID: <35BD3EB6.A07DE09DATnospamibm.net>
Just wanted to let everyone know that I am still working on finishing
the analysis and putting the document together. After my last post on
this subject, I received about 20 more charts to include in the study,
so I am taking a bit longer than the "few days" I mentioned before. But
it is forthcoming.
Thanks to everyone for participating. I have nearly 50 charts that will
be included in the results, so at this point I am going to close off
accepting any more birth charts to include in this particular segment of
the study. But if anyone else wants to still get me their birth data, I
can still use it for future phases of this study. Those sending me their
data should include birth date, time, and place. All three are necessary
to cast a correct chart.
Also, a note to those who have asked me to "do" their chart. That
generally means a full blown reading, which I don't have time to do. As
I stated before, I am offering my services free to those who have a
specific K rising issue or crisis into which they need some astrological
insights. These types of requests take priority, and I will get to other
requests as I have time.
Again, many thanks to all who are graciously helping with this research.
I believe that astrology is one of the few body's of knowledge which can
offer true insights into this phenomena. People experiencing K rising
have so few avenues to explore when trying to gain insight into what is
going on. Medical doctors and psychiatrists certainly offer little, or
no, help. So, it is my hope to provide a fair degree of predictive
accuracy with regards to this phenomena. For me, it helps tremendously
to know when experiences will intensify and when they will subside.
Sometimes, it is what helps me make it through the mind and ego
consuming fire of K rising.
- Ron Grimes
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1998 22:26:58 EDT
From: MoonrisempATnospamaol.com
To: KCliffordATnospamodyssey.on.ca
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: What was it?
Message-ID: <68da15b0.35bd36f3ATnospamaol.com>
Katherine,
It is very possible that you had a part of you leave you. I had 3 "pieces" of
myself brought back by a Shaman a few years ago. I have felt a difference
since they returned. It seems as he described it, whenever there is a trauma
in your life or you are depressed, that is the time you usually leave or give
up a part of you that cannot live in the situation you are in. I say that I
existed instaed of living at those times. I am now awake and living life more
aware and awake than ever. So, I would say from my own experiences and from
what I have read and heard from others, you want to have all your parts back!
Hope this helps and thank you for sharing your story with us.
Barbara
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1998 19:39:43 PDT
From: "Joseph Miller" <joemillerATnospamhotmail.com>
To: kmgATnospamtaconic.net
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: kundalini-l-d Digest V98 #535
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>Dear Joe,
>
>You said:
>
>Can you (or someone) tell me what a Vajra rising is? Please excuse my
>ignorance, but I am unfamiliar with this concept. And how does one
>tell the difference between this and a Kundalini rising?
Marybeth,
I think the saying is, "An ignorant question is the one that isn't
asked."
A Vajra rising is a kundalini rising through Vajra nadi (nadis are like
roadways for prana and Kundalini). It is one of several less desriable
forms of risings (good news: Kundalini is awake, bad news: she isn't
housebroken, has only the manners she chooses to have today, will do
whatever the hell she feels like, and your reactions are limited). Vajra
risings can not lead to enlightenment nor a dependable complete
cessation of symptoms unless and until Kundalini is moved out of Vajra
into Susumna or one of the other two nadis that are actually housed
inside Susumna.
The differences have to do with the way the nadis operate and interact
with the chakras. Vajra goes all the way from the genitils to the base
of the spine to the brain centers. In a healthy rising the brain centers
come after and above Ajna (brow) chakra. But K will move about and will
not stay up, nor move higher. In fact K can reach the brain without any
of the chakras "being opened" so much work is by-passed that must be
done before the goal can be reached.
Namaste,
Joe
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Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1998 19:43:14 -0700 (PDT)
From: Stormy May <stormymATnospamjps.net>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: something unusual...
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All of a sudden, after
>awhile, when I had my eyes closed and I was consentrating hard, but it seem
>like not at all, it felt like my whole body began to vibrate. I almost felt
>numb, but I could feel everything more too.
Actually not unusual at all, a classic description of the beginning of a
consciously-willed out of body experience. A wonderful book that is a
how-to on the phenomena is "Adventures Beyond the Body" by William Buhlman.
You can read all about the experience at:
http://www.out-of-body.com
or especially try this area for questions and answers on the phenomena:
http://www.out-of-body.com/qa.htm
happy explorations,
Stormy
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1998 05:02:01 +0100
From: "jb" <janbarenATnospaminfase.es>
To: "K. list" <kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com>, <Harsha1MTMATnospamaol.com>
Subject: RE: The Seeds of Self-Delight
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Harsha: [...] What you experienced
> during walking is quite interesting. Walking meditation is part
> of the Jaina
> system of Self-Realization where the monks spend most of their
> time during the
> day in walking.
Jan: I learned by it, that the body is no obstacle whatsoever. Instead of
calling the body "bag of filth" as do some yogis, I understood that there is
no contradiction between the readiness to leave the body at any moment and
yet taking care of it as something very precious. Besides, the use of
incorrect food and self-mortification would violate Ahimsa. Reading about
poor Milarepa and his asceticism, I could not resist trying stinging nettles
for food (incorporated in my diet). It produced a rash all over the body and
it took a long time to find the cause: stinging nettles are highly
purifying; all accumulated toxic waste was driven out too fast. The
experience became the basis for the present diet (fruits only). I was
curious if I would have more in common with the Jaina system and found a
site with a lot of excellent articles: http://sunsite.unc.edu/jainism/
The Jaina 'definition' of God makes every Kundalite a possible candidate
[:>)
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1998 00:29:49 -0400
From: "Kat" <KCliffordATnospamodyssey.on.ca>
To: <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: A quick trip
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Hi All,
I thought I would post this quick message to let everyone know that I will
be gone for a few days. I am sorry for those of you that I have not had a
chance to reply to. I will get back to you as soon as I can. I just posted
this so no one would become concerned if they don't hear from me.
In L&L & Understanding,
Katharine
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1998 05:49:23 +0100
From: "jb" <janbarenATnospaminfase.es>
To: "K. list" <kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com>, <Lizard4663ATnospamaol.com>
Subject: RE: Illusion
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> From: Lizard4663ATnospamaol.com [mailto:Lizard4663ATnospamaol.com]
> Sometimes I feel we are all living an illusion.
And what are you feeling at other times than sometimes? Let me guess: Other
illusion....
Many lives are but the dreams of the One Life - wake up!
Jan
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