1998/07/27  09:55  
 kundalini-l-d Digest V98 #537 
  
kundalini-l-d Digest				Volume 98 : Issue 537
 
Today's Topics: 
  ???                                   [ "Paul Torres" <island_11ATnospamhotmail.co ] 
  Re: ??? *synopsis*                    [ valerian <madammumATnospamptialaska.net> ] 
  Re: ???                               [ "THOMAS SMITH" <WHITEKNIGHT11ATnospamprodi ] 
  666                                   [ flute <fluteATnospamtexas.net> ] 
  Aura Photos                           [ flute <fluteATnospamtexas.net> ] 
  AutoPost from Kundalini Resource Cen  [ Gurumurthy Swaminathan <gurumurthys ] 
  Religion or Control                   [ flute <fluteATnospamtexas.net> ] 
  Re: kundalini-l-d Digest V98 #534     [ melintonATnospamalison.sbc.edu ] 
  Prayer                                [ melintonATnospamalison.sbc.edu ] 
  Re: kundalini-l-d Digest V98 #535     [ "Joseph Miller" <joemillerATnospamhotmail. ] 
  What was it?                          [ "Kat" <KCliffordATnospamodyssey.on.ca> ] 
  Re: 666                               [ "Kat" <KCliffordATnospamodyssey.on.ca> ] 
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1998 00:32:52 PDT 
From: "Paul Torres" <island_11ATnospamhotmail.com> 
To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com 
Subject: ??? 
Message-ID: <19980727073254.17475.qmailATnospamhotmail.com> 
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  When I was in eighth grade, in a small catholic school where everyone  
knows everyone else, A friend killed herself.  I wasn't very close with  
her, but I still thought of her as a friend.  I then had a momentus  
experience within the next few weeks or so: 
  I was coming downstairs after playing in my room, to eat dinner with  
my family.  We sat down and began eating as we would any other day.  I  
remember that there was a whole day that this dream encompassed, but the  
events of the day weren't notable enough, it was just a normal day.   
This strikes me because I can normally tell the difference between my  
dreams and reality very easily except for this dream, (and one other  
re-occuring one.  not of any importance now)  Anyway, as we were all  
finishing our food, my parents brought up the recent passing of this  
person.  They talked with me and my younger sister, and then asked us to  
promise never to kill ourselves.  Disgusted by the whole event, I agreed  
very swiftly, but my sister was questioning "her right to do what she  
wanted."  I remember being confused at her response, not understanding  
why anyone would want to kill themselves.  She eventually gave in and  
promised.  We all finished our food, and went on with our normal night.  
  This dinner conversation was the last defense of my life during my  
depressive years.  I remember sitting by my window on the second floor  
with my bedsheets secured to my bed, and my neck, with a surefire way to  
kill myself, but I couldn't bring myself to kill myself and break this  
promise, because then I felt that this breach of trust was not a good  
way to enter into the afterlife.  I feared a punishment for my abuse of  
my parents' trust.  I had been ready to go many nights, but the talk  
with my parents kept my head connected with my neck.   
  Up until a year or two ago, I thought that this day actually occured.   
I asked my sister if she remembered this conversation, but she didn't,  
but I thought that she was just too young to remember.  Then I was  
convinced after my mother couldn't recall any such conversation.  This  
was a dream.  I had been saved by a dream!  I still wonder why I had the  
dream, but the only thing that I can come up with is that there is some  
greater reason that I have to be here.  I don't think that even  
depression will cause me to get that bad again, but the pain of  
depression has in the recent past exceeded the pain felt at the time of  
my dangerous depression.   
  This dream is just background information for a larger question that I  
have.  I have been slow in my life to establish a personality.  I have  
an amorphous character, that is, I am who I am with. I believe that this  
attracted possibly forces to me because I had no real personal  
direction, I just was a vessel semi-conscious of its own existence.   
This explains why I could have had so many wierd experiences as a child. 
  A few months ago there was a death of a friend of mine.  He died of  
causes unknown to me at this time. (possibly drugs)  He opened my eyes  
to such a great extent.  There are parts of him that I see in me all of  
the time.  When I first knew of his death, I tried to see what I could  
see with my lesser known faculties, and I felt, through my connection  
with him, all of the pain that he had in his life.  I felt his view of  
life, and the saddness caused by it.  He was an atheist, and his only  
real motivation for life was the human experience.  The way he saw the  
world was very beautiful, but it lended too much to the personal voids  
caused by a lack of something to believe in.  He made a large impact on  
many people.   
  I have felt part of him inside of me, since that occasion.  The point  
of view that he had became mine for a few months, during which, a major  
depressive episode occurred.  I think of him a few times every week.  I  
don't know why.  I believe that part of his spirit may actually reside  
inside of me. I am not sure.  Perhaps one can entrust part of one's self  
to another after death. 
  A person that I had met recently has had problems with death.  One of  
her best friends died suddenly in a car accident.  She said that he knew  
her better than she knew herself.  I think that this person may have  
been on the road to Kundalini.  She found out, after he had pased away,  
that he had had feelings for her. When I first met her, I reminded her  
so much of this person, that she placed all of her feelings towards him  
on me.  I have dealt with similar situations, and my energy was high.  I  
decided to go with it, or so to speak.  (If people can entrust part of  
themselves to another, then he entrusted her with part of himself.)  A  
few weeks ago her father died.  I was then put into a very awkward  
position, but feeling confident, and desiring new experiences to broaden  
my view of the world, I decided to help her.  Through my support of her,  
she was able to make it through the funeral, and even help the rest of  
her family deal with the tragedy.   
  The point of my story is coming very soon, I apologize for the length  
of this message.   
 As I look back upon the relationship to this girl, I realize that she  
has directed so much energy towards me that I couldn't help but know her  
well.  I have felt moved towards helping her as though there was some  
force that I was unaware of, moving me.  I have continued to be there  
for her.  I have noticed a love for her that I cannot explain. The part  
of me that I know is me likes the way she sees things.  I like her world  
view.  I do not know where these feelings came from.  I will explain in  
just a bit what I think about it.  
  I have had love for a girl for about fifteen months.  She had been  
going out with my friend who recently died.  I knew that I had this love  
since they were going out.  I would stop by his house after work  on a  
regular basis, and say hello during last summer.  This was when he was  
very twisted on drugs.  (He never lost his personal integrity during the  
time that I knew him, even though he was on heroin most of the time.)  I  
believe that he saw something in me that reminded him of himself, or  
something that he used to have.  This is why I felt a strong connection.   
Anyway, I believe that he loved this girl, even though they were only  
together for a short time. I know that she felt very strongly towards  
him, because what set her apart from everyone else I know, what I fell  
in love with, was the way she looked at him one time when I stopped by  
his house after work.  I wish I could truly convey the beauty that I saw  
in those few moments. I took her to his funeral.  He didn't seem dead,  
at least, he still seemed to be talking to me.   
  Now to the point.  As I have grown, I realized that I have been  
detached from the full of the human experience, so, I may have some  
attraction to other-worldly entities because I am still connected with  
the physical.  (If you aren't using that, why can't  I use it.  This is  
the mentality I am thinking of.)  I think that this is what allows me to  
see things, is my detatchment.  As I have been growing recently, I  
believe that I have learned to have more love than I have for either  of  
these two girls, but I believe that the love that I feel towards them is  
influenced by the parts of these people who I have described to you.   
Because of this "purpose" that I am supposed to have, and the senses  
that I must have to accomplish it, I am sensitive to things like this,  
and these people are taking advantage of it. I think that these people  
are looking to fufill unfinished parts of their lives through me.  I  
would not mind helping them, but I do not know if this scenario is  
actually possible. I have been confused as of late as to the validity of  
this theory, and I was hoping that someone could relate.  I figure that  
this may be the only place that I could turn for advice. 
Thank you for your patience, 
Paul Torres
 
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Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1998 00:04:02 +0000 
From: valerian <madammumATnospamptialaska.net> 
To: Paul Torres <island_11ATnospamhotmail.com> 
CC: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com 
Subject: Re: ??? *synopsis* 
Message-ID: <35BBC3EC.B6C8C4F6ATnospamptialaska.net> 
 
Paul Torres wrote: 
<snip> 
  I think that this is what allows me to 
> see things, is my detatchment.  As I have been growing recently, I 
> believe that I have learned to have more love than I have for either  of 
> these two girls, but I believe that the love that I feel towards them is 
> influenced by the parts of these people who I have described to you. 
> Because of this "purpose" that I am supposed to have, and the senses 
> that I must have to accomplish it, I am sensitive to things like this, 
> and these people are taking advantage of it. I think that these people 
> are looking to fufill unfinished parts of their lives through me.  I 
> would not mind helping them, but I do not know if this scenario is 
> actually possible. I have been confused as of late as to the validity of 
> this theory, and I was hoping that someone could relate.  I figure that 
> this may be the only place that I could turn for advice.
 
well, Paul, 
   I read through your stories in their entirety, & I think what you are 
saying is that the *detached* part of your psyche is the part of you that 
enables you to see your spiritual TRUTHS - the things your Higher Self is 
teaching you so you can grow towards Light, & that you have a form of love for 
these two girls, but are wishing to remain more  
*detached* from them, because you see your love for what it is, in a detached 
way, & question the validity of the motivations behind the love. 
   A lot of love is fondness, & a lot of love is companionship, & a lot of 
love is lust even. But the one person who needs your love more than any other 
is your SELF, because without that divine connection between self-love & 
Divine love, all relationships are futile. 
   If these relationships are just caused by past attachments & not from 
directives toward the *highest good* for your soul, then you can validate your 
detached analysis & understand them for what they are. 
   Often, esp. when young, we need to *kick start* ourselves towards 
meditation & relationship with our inner guidance. It's very easy to become 
lonely & just 'hang out' with people we are fond of, or whom we have seen as 
truly beautiful in paradoxical contexts, because it is easier than being alone 
& facing ourselves. 
   While you could truly be being influenced by other forces, you seem on the 
right path when you validate your SELF & recognize the truths self-recognized 
within your detachment. 
   Detachment is a gift you will need to refer to all along the path. When you 
can see things as they are outside your immediate senses, then you have 
broadened your mind beyond *the world*. 
   My advice is to go with this detachment. Nurture & strengthen it; see where 
it guides you. Look within yourself for your answers; you are your only true oracle. 
   Try broadening your circle of friends, innocuously. Join a martial arts 
class, a meditation group, a yoga class. Develop relationships whereupon your 
mentors & peers guide you inwardly along your path. If you cannot draw upon 
your inner sources of strength, then you will soon have nothing left to give 
in relationships. 
   You will find that if you just "let go & let God" (simplistically), you 
will be drawn & guided to the people & experiences you most need to learn 
lessons from next. 
In Sisterhood, 
vc 
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1998 05:21:27 -0400 
From: "THOMAS  SMITH" <WHITEKNIGHT11ATnospamprodigy.net> 
To: "Paul Torres" <island_11ATnospamhotmail.com>, <kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com> 
Subject: Re: ??? 
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Paul,
 
Have you thought of becoming a writer? Seriously, your words simply flow 
very smoothly, until you start to doubt that another would be interested in 
what you are conveying. Write more, you're a good writer!
 
Oh, and one thought:
 
For you to see something, anything in another, you must see it in yourself 
first. The "love" you mention my friend is within you now.
 
Namaste' 
Tom 
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1998 07:35:05 -0500 
From: flute <fluteATnospamtexas.net> 
To: "kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com" <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com> 
Subject: 666 
Message-ID: <35BC73B7.3B19ATnospamtexas.net> 
 
and 666 is 999 upside down..  
Nine is the release of karma in Fung Shui.  So for someone you are 
obsessing about.. hate, frustration, etc.  Send them 9 Red Roses.. 
Roses have 9 petals so 9 +9 = 81 which is another 9.   
Its a great release for your mind. My friend even uses Aum Mani Padme 
Aum to complete the circuit.  And you know what.. It works.. 
 
So for you 666'ers.. 999 to you.. 
love, 
flute 
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1998 07:37:59 -0500 
From: flute <fluteATnospamtexas.net> 
To: "kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com" <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com> 
Subject: Aura Photos 
Message-ID: <35BC74A7.4F08ATnospamtexas.net> 
 
Actually the Aura Photo's seem to be very enlightening.. There 
is an Aura Video at one of the local Bookstores. You can watch 
the energy change colors as you sit there.  Think of something 
that makes you angry and watch the changes in colors.. Or think 
of Love or Spirituality.. Amazing and neat.  
Is there a question about if ther is or isn't an aura?? 
love, 
flute 
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1998 03:25:50 -1000 (HST) 
From: Gurumurthy Swaminathan <gurumurthysATnospamhotmail.com> 
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com 
Subject: AutoPost from Kundalini Resource Center  
Message-Id: <199807271325.DAA14101ATnospamhaleakala.aloha.net>
 
Hi,
 
  I am very much interested in kundalini yoga and have read some books about it. I want to know a good method to get introduced to this practice? Would I need to find a guru? If so, can you suggest anyone? Can you also suggest some good books/online articles about it?
 
Thanks,
 
regards, 
Guru. 
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1998 08:36:12 -0500 
From: flute <fluteATnospamtexas.net> 
To: "kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com" <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com> 
Subject: Religion or Control 
Message-ID: <35BC824C.7899ATnospamtexas.net> 
 
Once upon a time, long time ago.. There lived a few dudes called 
cave men and women.. somewhere around the Black Sea.. I particulary 
liked a village called Milesia. The people of this village were very 
progressive and very prolific. So they decided to migrate and strangely 
enough.. they decided the pattern to migrate should be in a expanding 
spiral. 
     The migration moved downward for some (Milesians) to the Greek 
islands where as this family evolved they moved into shipping.  As 
powerful Merchants these ancestors of the cave man expanded their 
knowledge and pockets by traveling to Egypt (a very rich country at the 
time).  From Egypt they traveled in their ships to sell merchandise to 
the Iberian pensula then upward into the Isle of Hibernia. Then these 
Sons of the Greeks migrated to the top of the island, staked their claim 
as to a homeland and called the place Scotland after the Egyptian 
Princess who one of the Son of the Greeks married. King Alpine set foot 
on and established a keltic colony in the year 650 BC. King Alpine whose 
real name was "Son of the Greek" or McGreghior established an organized 
Society on that small island. 
     At the same time his ancient ancestors were traveling and migrating 
to Germany, and the Iberian Pensula (now called. Spain, France, 
Netherlands, etc.. you've seen it on the maps). Then they settled and 
became quieter in their physical explorations. 
     Thus began the bigger mind game of "Mines bigger than Yours" Where 
people noticed differences in each other and decided that anyone 
different was a threat (as it might have been necessary in their 
survival methods to migrate so far).  
     These Keltoi tribes, realized they were not animals and founded 
societies that dealt with Man, his mind and his spirituality called 
Religions.  Some were comfortable with knowing and appreciating. 
But even in Religion, Man Migrated and changed and used the society 
created to control HIS part of the vast universe that was 
unreachable.       If he could corner his religion and make others 
believe it then it must be real. So he decided to crusade the knwn world 
and make all men believers in his society. The more they conquered the 
more he had to conquer.. Inquisitions were set up for those that didn't 
conform and women that dared to use a folk medicine were burned as 
witches.. Or if they were just in the way of a powerful leader they were 
executed as witches. Convenient, yes? An order of Priest and Monks 
became the keepers of the spirituality as it was with the Druids in the 
more ancient times. 
In order to keep the society in line, stories and myths were created to 
show a proper life style and the opposite was something not desirable. 
So there needed to be symbols of this not desirable behavior and these 
were identified as such things as Devil, Hell and 666s. Anything that 
could be used to control or fixate the mind of man was used to the 
benefit of the rulers.   
Since some people were not willing to go along with the new patterns, 
many were executed in the name of a society belief. This created a fear 
of not being in league with the more powerful group. 
Then there needed to be a structure and Places where people could go and 
prove their alligence to this society. So the Masons were called to 
build Churches of incredible size and structure. "Mine's still bigger 
than yours" conplex again. and No man was allowed to be an Island. No 
man was accepted unless he or she followed the society patterns set by 
the more powerful leaders.   
     Now we are entering the age of Unity but as individuals and ao now 
the mind/spiritual process is growing and expanding.. Called the Age of 
Aquarius. The computers and the internet are one of the vehicles of this 
thought process. Here we listen to and learn others viewpoints. We can't 
see the images of those we talk to and relinquish our fears of combat 
and war.   Here we open our closed minds to the fact that we are all of 
the same energy patterns.  
     I accept all of you in reverence and Love. I appreciate your ideas 
and input. I will not infringe on your beliefs nor do I expect you to 
infringe on mine. My family history is above as was told by the Clan in 
the method of the Bards/Druids. Hopefully we will all develop and spiral 
outward in our thoughts expanding the awareness of the world. 
Love, 
flute 
Carolyn McGregor Cousier Maloney 
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1998 10:15:01 -0400 
From: melintonATnospamalison.sbc.edu 
To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com 
Subject: Re: kundalini-l-d Digest V98 #534 
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tg wrote: 
I see prayer moreso for ourself rather than others.
 
signalFire writes: 
I agree with tg to a certain extent. Prayer changes & teaches the pray-er.
 
Also, giving thanks is beautiful prayer and holding those who have injured 
or angered or otherwise wronged you in light, feeling love for them and 
sending them positive energy to help them. This is the best active prayer.
 
Passive prayer is that deep meditation & stillness that allows at-one-ment 
to emerge. 
all light to you, 
--signalFire
 
"Duct tape is like the Force. It has a dark side, it has a light side, and 
it holds the universe together." 
  --comic theorist Carl Zwanig 
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1998 10:35:26 -0400 
From: melintonATnospamalison.sbc.edu 
To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com 
Subject: Prayer 
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>tg wrote: 
>I see prayer moreso for ourself rather than others. 
> 
signalFire writes: 
I agree with tg to a certain extent. Prayer changes & teaches the pray-er.
 
Also, giving thanks is beautiful prayer and holding those who have injured 
or angered or otherwise wronged you in light, feeling love for them and 
sending them positive energy to help them. This is the best active prayer.
 
Passive prayer is that deep meditation & stillness that allows at-one-ment 
to emerge. 
all light to you, 
 --signalFire
 
"Duct tape is like the Force. It has a dark side, it has a light side, and 
it holds the universe together." 
  --comic theorist Carl Zwanig 
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1998 07:43:40 PDT 
From: "Joseph Miller" <joemillerATnospamhotmail.com> 
To: KCliffordATnospamodyssey.on.ca 
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com 
Subject: Re: kundalini-l-d Digest V98 #535 
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Dear Katharine:
 
I've read some of the responses to your post. I am sorry I missed the  
original post, last week I deleted a lot of stuff without reading  
because of a lack of time. 
 
I've noted some of the advice you've been given. Checking for physical  
problems is always a good idea, as long as you don't get any  
overpowering drugs for your efforts that do more harm than good. (I have  
a friend just diagnosed with medically induced Lupus, it is a sensitive  
topic with me right now.)
 
Kat wrote: 
> Over a year ago I was admitted into a hospital over night because of a 
> headache & a burning feeling  that was unbearable.  They of course  
could 
> find no reason for it and drugged me up for the night. 
(snip) 
> My emotions have gone haywire and 
> somewhat out of control.  I use to be what I would consider a very  
patient 
> person. Nope not anymore!   Anger seems to rise in me very easily now  
and it 
> is only a walk in nature that will bring peace to my tortured mind.  I  
have 
> thoughts racing through my mind continously.  Questions that make no  
sense 
> and answers that make even less sense!  Past issues that I thought  
were 
> taken care of are rising their ugly heads and asking for attention.   
Things 
> that do not normally move ....move!  just for a blink of a second but  
I see 
> them move!    When I am really angry or really excited things will  
jump out 
> of the cupboards or fall from selves.    Lights will dim or completely  
shut 
> off if I am walking at night time.  I hear noise's that most people  
cannot 
> but animals can.  So now that I have expressed myself about my nutty  
life 
> what do you think?  Is this the Kundalini rising? 
 
All of what you've described are signs of Kundalini rising. When I was  
more angry than I am these days (though I have more reason to be now) I  
was forever turning off street lamps as I walked and when I "blew a  
fuse" in my house I actually blew lightbulbs. Psychic powers are part of  
the package, they will always come at some point in a Kundalini rising.
 
>or should I give in to 
> what other people have told me and sign myself in for help?   I saw a  
Physic 
> recently he tells me there is a lot of purple in my aura......What  
does 
> purple mean?  He also saw the depression that is around me and has  
given me 
> some keys to work with that are helping.
 
Did he give you any more detail of the purple's shade, any mixed hues,  
etc.? That is important because "smoky purple" is associated with a good  
(proper channel) rising to the throat (a seat of psychic powers) while  
I've been informed by some people trained in a more western approach to  
this stuff that Vajra gives off purple, but of a very different hue. 
 
I am inclined to guess it is a Vajra rising. I had one when I was  
blowing lights and turning off street lights on my evening walks. Also  
you have symptoms that should be from separate chakras. Some from throat  
and some from the area above Ajna. What I call "the gunk" meaning the  
old crap that keeps coming up, the reemergence of issues you thought  
were finished and settled, demanding you deal with them NOW! is from the  
area above Ajna. It is part of that "dark night of the soul" stuff that  
is the final effort (and testing) before reaching the 7th chakra. You  
shouldn't have them all together unless it is a Vajra rising, most  
likely with Kundalini in a very excited state.
 
I don't know if it is any consolation but appearance of "the gunk" is a  
part of a cleaning process. It will lessen what will be required of you  
later, in terms of cleaning.
 
Talking with a psychologist about some of the issues will help. I  
wouldn't take any drugs for mental issues unless absolutely necessary.  
They'll just gunk things up more and mean you'll have to keep going  
through this cleaning process to get rid of the drug residue as well as  
the stuff it won't let you face.
 
A simple meditation every day should help. Cross-legged, relax, back  
straight, eyes closed, do Samabyas (I'm a poor speller, it is also  
called alternate nostril breathing) for about 10-15 minutes, then  
meditate for at least that long to twice that long using the mantra "Om"  
or the Gayatri mantra, posted in a recent edition of the digest by Ron  
Grimes:
 
OM BHUR BHUVAH SVAH 
TAT SAVITUR VARENYAM 
BHARGO DEVASYA DIMAHI 
DHIYO YO NAH PRACHODAYAT
 
You might also greet the day with a few sun-salutations.
 
Namaste,
 
Joe
 
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Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1998 11:16:05 -0400 
From: "Kat" <KCliffordATnospamodyssey.on.ca> 
To: <kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com> 
Subject: What was it? 
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Hi All,
 
The reading of recent messages has given me the strength to ask this 
question.  I lost my son through SIDS (Sudden Infants Death Syndrome) at 5 
weeks.  At the funeral service something very strange happened.  I will 
explain it from my point of view and then my sisters.  The priest was doing 
the last part of it......up until then I was just in a very quiet state.  I 
could detect that for some reason nothing was moving anymore.  The wind 
stopped blowing and there was no sound to be heard.  Silence surrround us. 
It was as if the world was mourning with me.  It was then that everything 
went strange.  The priest started the part about dust to dust......all of a 
sudden something deep inside of me came screaming out.  I screamed the words 
no and began to loose all strength in my body and began to fall.  I was 
aware at all times.  I felt something leaving me but I could not reach it 
and pull it back.  I have always felt as if a part of me died that day that 
would never come back.  I heard my mothers voice of concern and felt myself 
being caught by two men that were behind me.  It was the concern in my 
mothers voice that brought me back from where ever it was that I was 
traveling to.  I guess maybe I was trying to leave with my son?  My mother 
has a heart condition and I did not want another death in the family because 
of my own sillyness.  I knew I had to be strong for the people around me and 
so therefore I was.  It was not until years later that I was able to deal 
with my own feelings and finally release myself from my pain.    My sister 
felt the stillness as well, in fact many people there agreed with me that it 
was as if time stood still for a fraction of a second.    My sister however 
saw what I felt.  She saw something leave my body at the exact time that I 
screamed. She said it had a glow about it and somewhat white but see 
through.  She believes that a part of me died that day and went with my son. 
Is this possible?  and should I be trying to get that part of me back?  I 
should mention that over a year ago in meditation I had a vision.  In the 
vision my son explained to me the reason that we were not to stay together 
in this lifetime and he also told me that we would be together in another 
lifetime.  The purpose of this life time was a promise that we had made to 
each other to absorb some karma from pastlive times.  At the end of this 
vision we hugged each other and I felt a love that I have never felt before. 
It was so full of Joy!  We said our goodbyes and then the vision ended.  It 
was after this vision that I was finally able to accept his death  and found 
peace.
 
In L&L & Understanding,
 
Katharine 
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1998 10:44:21 -0400 
From: "Kat" <KCliffordATnospamodyssey.on.ca> 
To: <fluteATnospamtexas.net>, <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com> 
Subject: Re: 666 
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Hi Flute,
 
>and 666 is 999 upside down.. 
>Nine is the release of karma in Fung Shui.  So for someone you are 
>obsessing about.. hate, frustration, etc.  Send them 9 Red Roses.. 
>Roses have 9 petals so 9 +9 = 81 which is another 9. 
>Its a great release for your mind. My friend even uses Aum Mani Padme 
>Aum to complete the circuit.  And you know what.. It works..
 
 
There is one person in my life I cannot seem to let go of because of 
feelings of frustration, anger and it does cause some obsessiviness in me as 
I am always trying to fix the situation that developed.  I think I'll try 
the 9 red roses.  I would like to put this sitution in my past and move on 
into my future.  Thank you for the idea.  What is Aum Mani APadme Aum?
 
In L&L & Understanding,
 
Katharine
 
Ps.  Thank you to everyone that has responded to my email message.
 
 
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