1998/07/23 17:17
kundalini-l-d Digest V98 #530
kundalini-l-d Digest Volume 98 : Issue 530
Today's Topics:
Re: My bizarre experiences [ "Wonderer" <mrtn74aATnospamprodigy.com> ]
Re: love for all that is [ "Wonderer" <mrtn74aATnospamprodigy.com> ]
letting go [ "Paul West" <paulATnospamstationone.demon. ]
paul - letting go [ Maureen Heffernan <morlightATnospammhonlin ]
Dhyani "Debbie" - dizzy broad [ Maureen Heffernan <morlightATnospammhonlin ]
Re: Dhyani "Debbie" - dizzy broad [ onarresATnospaminreach.com ]
KRN and "Psychic Illness" (response) [ "Joseph Miller" <joemillerATnospamhotmail. ]
Re: love for all that is [ "THOMAS SMITH" <WHITEKNIGHT11ATnospamprodi ]
Re: Planting a Seed [ John Halonen <mtmindATnospamusa.net> ]
Re: What's up? [ John Halonen <mtmindATnospamusa.net> ]
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 10:59:54 -0400
From: "Wonderer" <mrtn74aATnospamprodigy.com>
To: "Mulligan, Tim" <TMulliganATnospamCentral.UH.edu>, <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Re: My bizarre experiences
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Hi Tim,
I have been so busy, and I am sorry I took so long to get back to you
on the Thought Forms. I have found a web site that seems to repeat
much of what I found in the Ascension booklet on this subject.
http://www.eu.spiritweb.org/Spirit/astral-cleaning-duna.html
The Astral Cleaning page explains how to clear thought forms from
your home, not so much what exactly they are. I read, somewhere,
that Thought Forms are not spirits, but emotions or thoughts living
in the astral.
Also, check out the linked page to Boogie Busting, which explains how
to clear misguided spirits.
There are a lot of other promising links, as well, which I will enjoy
perusing.
Sending you Good thoughts of Love and Joy to help you on your way!
Cathy
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From: Wonderer <mrtn74aATnospamprodigy.com>
To: Mulligan, Tim <TMulliganATnospamCentral.UH.edu>; kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
<kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Date: Friday, July 17, 1998 1:17 PM
Subject: Re: My bizarre experiences
>Dear Tim,
>
>I am sorry you have suffered so greatly. You may, indeed, have
>created some of these creatures; they sound (to me) like what has
>been referred to as "Thought Forms". Unfortunately (fortunately?) I
>am no expert on this.
>
>The Ascension manual by Joshua Stone, refers to alien implants and
>detrimental thought forms and how to get rid of them.
>
>"The Complete Ascension Manual How to Achieve Ascension in This
>Lifetime : How to Complete the Seven Levels of Initiation (The
>Ascension Series)" by Joshua David Stone
>
>http://www.amazon.com sells this book.
>
>In the book, Joshua David Stone also said to contact him, or his
>wife, for help removing the thought forms and alien implants. I
also
>recall his advice to ask God for help with this.
>
>Sorry, I do not remember much more, because I had no idea what he
was
>talking about and do not seem to personally have this problem (thank
>the Lord!). If you wish, I will review those chapters and get back
>to you on this (probably after the weekend).
>
>Cathy
>
>Tim wrote:
>(snip)
>
>>I was visited by what I can only describe as "creatures". They
>seemed like a sort of animal. They would glom onto my legs and bite
>my toes!!
>(snip)
>The other thing was that they installed some kind of living thing,
>like a big worm, inside my torso.
>(snip)
>
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 13:47:23 -0400
From: "Wonderer" <mrtn74aATnospamprodigy.com>
To: <F19AshATnospamaol.com>, <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Re: love for all that is
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Hi Emily,
Sorry you did not get many responses to your request. Sometimes, I
want to respond to a post, but feel I may not be the best equipped on
the list to do so. The folks on this list keep their Egos in check,
and I suspect would be hesitant to respond in any authoritative way
to a request, if we feel we cannot add much to the discussion. This
is how I feel anyway.
With that said, I can recommend the following book which I have read,
which will cover the basics of Kundalini:
This title is available at www.Amazon.com:
Kundalini Awakening : A Gentle Guide to Chakra Activation and
Spiritual Growth
by John Selby, Zachary Zelig (Illustrator)
Our Price: $16.95
Availability: This title usually ships within 24 hours.
You can find the book by entering the word > Kundalini < in the key
word search. It will show up in a list, along with a great number of
other Kundalini books available through Amazon.
As to Kundalini being dangerous, I have read that many times. It may
be, but I don't experience it that way. I believe Kundalini can
cause intense emotions or depression to rise, because it cleans that
sort of garbage out of the system. A gentle awakening will hopefully
let you handle that sort of stuff in small doses, so you can be
cleared less painfully of your past psychic trauma.
Cathy
You wrote:
(snip)
>about a week ago also and posted a message to everyone asking what
books are good to read to learn about the kundalini. I also
suggested it maybe was dangerous, but the only response i got was
about one line from one person saying we all have to be open to it,
whether it is dangerous or not... seems kinda rude to make that
response to someone who doesnt kno much about the subject. Well I
just hope the people on this list are as open to new ideas as i am.
>Thank you,
>Emily (F19Ash)
>
Date: 23 Jul 98 17:31:21 +0000
From: "Paul West" <paulATnospamstationone.demon.co.uk>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: letting go
Message-Id: <35B77369.MD-0.196.paulATnospamstationone.demon.co.uk>
Hello.
For any of you who have not visited my website, there was an accident
some 11 years ago, when I was about 12 years old. I lost the two
closest friends I ever had when the makeshift arrow left my bow and
pierced his eye. I've been in termoil eversince.
It has been coming to light recently that I am in great emotional
pain. It's funny how you can be inside something and not realise it.
With the help of a few people I have realised that it was just plain
bad luck. I had no motive to injure anybody it was just harmless fun
at the time.
I had a dream last night in which there was a boy, about the age I was
when the incident occured, and he was crying, and it was very deep and
personal. It wasn't because of anything anyone had done to him, but it
was still there. I approached him and lifted him onto a low brick
wall. I pointed his attention at a large building which was being
constructed. I didn't know what to say to him, and I had no
preconceptions. I began to tell al little story about how parts of the
building were corresponding to his emotional distress. I had no
emotion myself.
Although I didn't know where things were leading it seemed that in the
end I came to enough of a conclusion for him to realise that it was
alright. He turned and hugged me and I hugged him to, very tightly.
I held him so close and there was no restraint. It was like father and
son. It lasted for quite some time and he wasn't emotional anymore.
The dream scene changed, perhaps a seperate dream, in which I had been
invited into the house of some people. They lived rough in a wooden
shack thing, no artificial lights. They were almost barbaric,
squabbling amongst themselves in a primitive fashion. I might as well
not have been there. Usually I would feel the need to be polite but I
just got up and walked away.
When I woke up I was laying in a most awkward posture, and yet it was
very comfortable. I usually sleep like I'm strapped into place.
I have been playing a lot of music today. Usually I take the words
personally, attatching to them, like they are relevent to me. This
isn't happening today. I find myself also not reproducing the music in
my head.
I have been thinking of a lot of things lately. Forgiveness, and what
position you need to be in for it to happen. I think I have always
looked at the accident through the eyes of the person I was back then.
I need a new view of it and I have one.
The thing was an accident, and there was nothing I could do to prevent
it. It had no meaning, no reason. It wasn't because I was trying to
cover up my own intellectual right-eye, nor was it anything to do with
being evil or angry or irresponsible. It was just plain bad luck.
It is odd, and I never envisaged this, but the arrow leaving the bow
seems now to signify the letting go of guilt and responsibility about
it. Totally out of my control. I didn't even aim the thing. All along
the reality of the situation was right there in what actually
happened.
There was no higher-self harvesting bigger meaning from it, no lesson
being learnt, no suffering that I deserved to endure, no inevitability
or fate that befell on me. It just happened. I can't blame myself
anymore for... well.. it just was.
I hope you can forgive me for talking about myself again. <newborn
smile>
--
Paul.
IRC: #amiga, Dalnet: #blitz
WWW: http://www.stationone.demon.co.uk
E-M: paulATnospamstationone.demon.co.uk
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 14:52:34 +0000
From: Maureen Heffernan <morlightATnospammhonline.net>
To: kundalini <kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com>
Subject: paul - letting go
Message-ID: <35B74E32.AF24086CATnospammhonline.net>
Dear Paul,
Tried sending to your adress, and mail failure,,,what else.
In short,
you tried to help the little kid. You held him, you held
yourself, dear.
Happy for you,
Logos and Light,
+ Maureen
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 14:59:56 +0000
From: Maureen Heffernan <morlightATnospammhonline.net>
To: kundalini <kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com>
Subject: Dhyani "Debbie" - dizzy broad
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Hi Deb,
Only joking! smile. I had that experience years ago and can laugh
now,because now I appear to be on the giving end. What's upsetting for
me is that now people actually back away and say they're getting goose
bumps and I feel horrible about it. They say it's fine just give them a
minute. I offer to leave and they say no, no, but it makes me feel
different.
Isn't is great that you are that sensitive to it?
+ Maureen
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 12:11:45 -0700
From: onarresATnospaminreach.com
To: morlightATnospammhonline.net, kundalini <kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com>
Subject: Re: Dhyani "Debbie" - dizzy broad
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Hi Deb and Maureen,
Yeah - I know this as well... only difference is they tell me I have "great energy" and like to be near me - something they explain as "waves of positive healing energy". I once asked to be told more about this and the explanation was "They would like to have the energy that you have, it makes them feel good"... dor
At 02:59 PM 7/23/98 +0000, Maureen Heffernan wrote:
>Hi Deb,
>Only joking! smile. I had that experience years ago and can laugh now,because now I appear to be on the giving end. What's upsetting for me is that now people actually back away and say they're getting goose bumps and I feel horrible about it. They say it's fine just give them a minute. I offer to leave and they say no, no, but it makes me feel different. Isn't is great that you are that sensitive to it?
>
>+ Maureen
>
>
>
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 12:54:38 PDT
From: "Joseph Miller" <joemillerATnospamhotmail.com>
To: debhATnospammindspring.com
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: KRN and "Psychic Illness" (response)
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Dhyani wrote:
Is everyone aware of the Kundalini Research Network? They are
having a conference October 15-18 in Norcross, Georgia.
I have never attended a conference but they look quite interesting.
Joe:
I've mentioned them a time or two on the list. I gave a presentation a
few years ago in Philadelphia about my experiences. Five of my teacher's
students will be presenting in Atlanta. The knowledge level of the
presenters is mixed. Some are as solid as anyone in the west, some are
not so solid, many were reporting and searching as much as trying to
answer questions. They meet annually, usually alternating between the
East and West coasts, last year it was in California.
Dhyani:
Last: Has anyone with active Kundalini energy experienced the sensation
of psychic illness when encountering another person with awakened "K"
energy? I have had difficulty with this for several years. I have
experienced it even over the phone. I will get quite dizzy,
disoriented, lightheaded, etc... It lasts about five or six hours.
My Anthroposophic Doctor says I must stay away from people who have
energy which comes into my field too closely.
Joe:
Nothing against your Anthroposophic Doctor but he/she doesn't know much
about Kundalini if he/she said that. You are experiencing Kundalini
doing her best and most important work!
Three points then the why:
1. It isn't an illness.
2. It is very common (in the right population).
3. You should seek out people with advanced K. and be around them.
It isn't an illness:
What you were experiencing is the "excitement" that K has when in the
presence of another person with active K. You can get the same thing at
truly holy sites. I got it at several temples in India and get it around
a very powerful Cherokee holy site I visit often. I get it around my
teacher and around a number of students of his who have advanced
process. I've never asked my teacher about this point but it has
happened in all those I've talked to only after they had Kundalini in or
above Ajna (in Susumna or other "good" nadi, not in Vajra or other "not
so good" nadi, my earlier posts explained why that's important).
It is possible to get an effect that mimics it if one does an intense
meditation/mantra practice at a strong holy site without the throat lock
on. That is due to a major movement of prana, not Kundalini. I've not
heard of that experience happening without the practice or just from
being around others with a like energy level. Putting on the lock will
prevent it from happening. (If anyone gets it from prana, put the lock
on! Your prana is then at the point it will move Kundalini properly
upward.)
It might help to think of Kundalini as being like a puppy in many ways.
She can get excited on her own, put her in the presence of another puppy
and it is no longer "can get" but rather "is then very" excited,
immediately.
It is very common:
This "excitement" manifests differently, or perhaps it is perceived
differently, in each person, dependent on their personality,
sensitivity, and level of advancement (where Kundalini has fixed/worked
through in the brain centers above Ajna). In me the closest "common"
experience would be very good marijuana high (no pain, a broad grin, and
very happy and, as you describe it, "dizzy, disoriented, lightheaded"
being an old hippie I just say I am "ripped"). In my friend it was a
mild headache with a "buzz" associated with it, now his is more like my
experience.
My condition will impact how and how quickly I react to others with
Kundalini process. When health and diet are good and I have been doing
my practice it is like watching an episode of the Highlander (the
immortals identify each other by their "buzz"). I can tell when someone
with advanced process comes within ~10-20 feet of me, even if it is
behind me in a store. If I'm physically ill (I get very anemic at
times), stuck in the physical world, not doing practice, etc. I'll have
to be around them for 10-15 minutes and physically closer before it'll
kick in. But it will ultimately kick in, even on my worst day.
I haven't asked everyone I see who has K above Ajna (I know ~12) but of
the 6 or so I've talked to about it, all get the buzz in one form or
another. My teacher didn't say it was universal. His words were, "very
common" but his statement didn't rule out universal. (English is his 4th
language and not his best. It saves time to go on if you have enough
information to work with and accomplish your goal, lingering over fine
points isn't worth it.)
You should seek out people with K:
>From the scriptures the line, "Make friends with the happy", or a better
version, "Associate with those who experience bliss", is about this
subject. You want your Kundalini excited. That is how is does its work.
You just need to know how to react and what to do.
Kundalini is asking you to go inward, to meditate, so she can do the
work she needs to do to clear a path upwards. If you do you will have
the best of meditations. If you don't the symptoms you describe will
come. They are of little value unless you act upon them. They do tell
you when you need to be doing practice. That is why one meditates with
the Guru. His advanced Kundalini will excite the student's K just by
being around him. When both are meditating this effect will increase.
The "symptoms" you describe won't come because you will be focusing
Kundalini in meditation. She will go about her work. When it is over
(these can last a few hours and not be a bother to you at all) you will
feel a great peace and contentment (a "bliss-over") but also need to
rest physically.
Congratulations! The force is with you, use it!
A word of warning:
If you are experiencing this with other people you should be aware you
are apt to get the same thing, maybe even stronger, by eating or
drinking things containing certain herbs. The strongest will be anything
sweetened with Stevia (an herb ~400 times as sweet as sugar). It is not
a good idea to do that because it will weaken brain and make Kundalini's
job more difficult. Stevia doesn't feed the process or enhance the nadis
or centers. It just stimulates the "buzz". If you add some real sugar
(sugar does feed Kundalini) and do practice my teacher tells me using it
once a week should be OK. Using it regularly for a period of time can
result in not being able to do practice without it and Kundalini's
advancement may be stopped forever.
Namaste,
Joe
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Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 17:17:00 -0400
From: "THOMAS SMITH" <WHITEKNIGHT11ATnospamprodigy.net>
To: <F19AshATnospamaol.com>, <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Re: love for all that is
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Hi Emily
>i would like to know about the healing circles on the net myself...
This is one of the best healing networks:
Distant Healing Network
> >280 Healers from over twenty countries worldwide
> >-----------A Free Service to All Who Ask----------------
> > http://www.nucleus.com/~gateway/healing.html
> >====================================
Namaste'
Tom
Reiki Master
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 18:20:53 -0400
From: John Halonen <mtmindATnospamusa.net>
To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: Planting a Seed
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Actually Daemon was a greak word for angel or gaurdian. "Good" and "Bad"
Spirits wre refered to as daemons. Lots of people still name there servers
demon or daemon, because it's correct definition is "helper".
>Wonderer wrote:
>>
>>P.S. My ego has been pestering me to ask Paul West this question,
>>and I am finally going to indulge it. Paul, why is the word "demon"
>>in your e-mail address? What does this signify to you? Do you feel
>>demonized, vilified, possessed? Are you ready to give up this
>>distinction and become a mere mortal yet? Pardon my intrusion; don't
>>answer if its too personal.
>
Hope I have answered part of your question.
Numerology on the other hand, I never got past algebra. Oh well.
LOve and light,
John Halonen
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 18:08:29 -0400
From: John Halonen <mtmindATnospamusa.net>
To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: What's up?
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The lines below by mystress are a great statement. Simple, but great.
It is often these simple things that get over looked.
Our ego pretends to be greater than all, and so we miss the little simple
things.
But it is the magic of it being so simple, that makes it beautiful.
Like the breath. Nothing works better for me, than a simple mediation of
just watching my breath. No need to tie myself in knots and stand on my
left two toes.
Just sit and watch my breath. Breath is life, so watch your breath, and
life grows! :-)
Thanks mystress.
Mystress wrote:
>What you give your attention to, grows. Things are neutral of
>themselves, it is your ego that colors them dark or light.
>
>
> Begin, by not responding to this post.
> Blessings, Mystress.
>
So now the list post grows.
Love and light.
John Halonen
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