1998/07/22  13:40  
 kundalini-l-d Digest V98 #528 
  
kundalini-l-d Digest				Volume 98 : Issue 528
 
Today's Topics: 
  Re: What's up?                        [ Mystress Angelique Serpent <serpent ] 
  Re: Shaktipat & Fear                  [ "THOMAS SMITH" <WHITEKNIGHT11ATnospamprodi ] 
  Re: Paul West - -a dream/nightmare?   [ matrixATnospamroyaume.com ] 
  Re: Mail failure:cut that out!        [ Mystress Angelique Serpent <serpent ] 
  All That Is                           [ Harsha1MTMATnospamaol.com ] 
  Enjoy and have Fun!                   [ "THOMAS SMITH" <WHITEKNIGHT11ATnospamprodi ] 
  This is Love....                      [ "THOMAS SMITH" <WHITEKNIGHT11ATnospamprodi ] 
  Re: What's up?                        [ SunSaluteATnospamaol.com ] 
  All That Is                           [ Harsha1MTMATnospamaol.com ] 
  All That Is                           [ Harsha1MTMATnospamaol.com ] 
  Re: What's up?                        [ David Bozzi <david.bozziATnospamsnet.net> ] 
  Re: Shaktipat & Fear                  [ "THOMAS SMITH" <WHITEKNIGHT11ATnospamprodi ] 
  Something that maybe of interest      [ Siva <guardianATnospamihug.co.nz> ] 
  [Fwd: Mail failure]                   [ w van der linde <wliATnospamxs4all.nl> ] 
  Siva who am I ?                       [ Maureen Heffernan <morlightATnospammhonlin ] 
  Re: Multidimensional Reiki & Stealin  [ flute <fluteATnospamtexas.net> ] 
  SUSCRIBE                              [ Arsinoe S <arsinoeATnospamcaramail.com> ] 
  Planting a Seed                       [ "Wonderer" <mrtn74aATnospamprodigy.com> ] 
  email troubles?                       [ "Kat" <KCliffordATnospamodyssey.on.ca> ] 
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 14:47:41 -0700 
From: Mystress Angelique Serpent <serpentATnospamdomin8rex.com> 
To: "Paul West" <paulATnospamstationone.demon.co.uk> 
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com 
Subject: Re: What's up? 
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At 09:09 PM 21/07/98 +0000, Paul West wrote:
 
> 
>I keep trying to figure out ways to solve the problems and they just 
>keep coming back all the time. 
   What you give your attention to, grows. Things are neutral of 
themselves, it is your ego that colors them dark or light. 
 
> But I'm starting to wonder if maybe 
>everyone else doesn't know about these problems I have, like, maybe I 
>am inventing them. 
   You are inventing your whole life. We all do. That's the game. If you 
don't like what you've got, give it love and release it, and ask for 
something else. Usually tho, "problems" are just gifts you haven't found a 
use for, yet. but you must give up the negative attitudes to see that. Keep 
prospecting for silver linings. You won't find unless you seek. 
 
>I keep feeling that there are all sorts of things wrong. I was looking 
>through a website about mental health and in some way I thought that 
>just about every mental problem applied to me in some way. But why? 
  Coz you are using your ego to try to find out who you are. All it knows 
are your problems and limitations, and it makes it self bigger by finding 
more. This is the only trick it knows, one trick pony..  
  That is why some folks have encouraged you not to feed it so much, by 
posting. 
 
>Why would I want to say that such a beautiful thing is ugly?
 
  Why is it a lot more work for me to widen someone's limits to feel bliss, 
than to increase their ability to tolerate pain? Because pain is familiar 
to the ego, it lets it know it is still alive, reaffirms it's cherished 
limits. Bliss demolishes it, and it feels like it's dying. The French call 
an orgasm "le petit morte".. the little death. So why do so many say that 
sex is sinful? Bliss is scary.  
  
>There always seems to be a mental cloud in my head and it's like I am 
>not very aware of myself. And in that cloud there are so many 
>complicated ruts and divvets and tangles. It seems hopeless that there 
>could be any permanent solution to it all. I keep getting feelings of 
>being childish and weak. 
   Good!!! 
   So you get a sense, then, of Exactly Where your ego Is. It is that cloud 
that makes you feel childish and weak. You even have an ability to stand 
apart from the cloud and look at it's tangles. So why do you keep jumping 
back into it? Dump it, give it back to Goddess, thread by knot. That is 
it's only permanent solution. Write it all out to yourself and burn it up 
so the bits transform to light, instead of feeding it by seeking the 
attention of the list.  
  Didja ever see a brilliant movie about awakening called "Joe Vs. the 
Volcano"? Go rent it. It is fill of wonderful hidden messages.  
  In the movie, Joe is persuaded he is dying, because he has a "brain 
cloud".. that's you, my boy.. this brain cloud is killing you. It is making 
fears and limits that cause sickness, old age and death. That is it's job. 
    
>I feel, when I'm saying this, that I am already more aware of myself. 
  That is illusion. It is the carrot on a string that ego uses to keep you 
talking talking endlessly. Going round and round the self-perpetuating 
loops of the ego tangles in the brain cloud. Hamster in a wheel, running 
like heck and going nowhere.  
The list gets cranky at you, coz it is hard to watch the pain and futility 
of your circles. Like seeing a drowning person who cannot be helped.  
  Stop it!  
  Pull out of the noise of your endless opinions. Be still. Be silent. 
Listen. It is only when you know Nothing, that there is room for truth. 
   Begin, by not responding to this post.  
 Blessings, Mystress. 
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 18:59:27 -0400 
From: "THOMAS  SMITH" <WHITEKNIGHT11ATnospamprodigy.net> 
To: <fluteATnospamtexas.net>, <kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com> 
Subject: Re: Shaktipat & Fear 
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Flute wrote:
 
>There are two emotions.. One is Fear the other is Love.  
 
Yes, and everything is based on one or the other.
 
> Others can control you or steal your energy thru fear.  
 
Only if that is your belief sweetie...If you do believe that another 
can "steal" your energy, you are indeed living in fear, for the Source 
provides us all all the life force enegy needed, allowing one to give  
to another in need, without fear of draining you of yours.
 
Sending you Love in Light my friend.... 
Tom nn WhiteKnight 
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 19:03:49 +0200 
From: matrixATnospamroyaume.com 
To: Mystress Angelique Serpent <serpentATnospamdomin8rex.com> 
Cc: morlightATnospammhonline.net, kundalini <kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com> 
Subject: Re: Paul West - -a dream/nightmare? 
Message-Id: <35B4C9F5.67E9ATnospamroyaume.com> 
 
M 
> > 
> > 
thanks a lot mystress,i understand now.sorry,i want to much to be 
perfect again.i have understand i lot from your letter,from you?,and 
when i readed the apocalypse church. 
the destiny and the dual...we can't control such things. 
as it say,raising our kundalini it's by gold from god forged in the holy 
fire. 
thanks :) 
 bye 
  yannick 
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 16:16:11 -0700 
From: Mystress Angelique Serpent <serpentATnospamdomin8rex.com> 
To: "THOMAS  SMITH" <WHITEKNIGHT11ATnospamprodigy.net> 
Cc: <morlightATnospammhonline.net>, <kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com> 
Subject: Re: Mail failure:cut that out! 
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At 06:19 PM 21/07/98 -0400, THOMAS  SMITH wrote: 
>>   You are funny.. next time I'll blow it wide open..:) 
>>     Blessings, Mystress. 
> 
>I accept! ;) 
> 
>All the Blessings I have, I send to You 
>Tom 
> 
  I accept!  
  Knock and the Door shall be Opened.  
   Ask and it Shall be Given. This is cosmic law. You have asked. Now let 
it be so. Feel the divine breath blowing thru you. 
  By the power of your surrender, by the Law of Free Will, by the gift of 
your limitless blessings you grant me the power to move you beyond your 
illusory limitations. Such is the Law of Shakti, the mechanism of Grace. By 
surrender we are unified with Goddess.  There in only One. 
  By giving up All that we have, We become All that Is.  
  May Goddess return your blessings many times multiplied.  
  May the lotus of your crown be opened like a window to the stars, to 
receive the Divine Light from the Great Central Sun.  
  May it's seed of love  be fertilized in  you, so you may be reborn into 
eternity, into the void that is the Great Womb of the Mother, as fearless 
spirit, Child of the Universe. for the Good of all and Harm to None, as 
Goddess wills.  
      So mote it be, HERE and NOW !!!  AWAKEN!! 
 
     Blessings, Mystress. 
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 19:26:13 EDT 
From: Harsha1MTMATnospamaol.com 
To: serpentATnospamdomin8rex.com, WHITEKNIGHT11ATnospamprodigy.net 
Cc: morlightATnospammhonline.net, kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com 
Subject: All That Is 
Message-ID: <39ad759b.35b52396ATnospamaol.com> 
 
In a message dated 7/21/1998 4:18:25 PM Pacific Daylight Time, 
serpentATnospamdomin8rex.com writes:
 
<< By giving up All that we have, We become All that Is.  >>
 
Harsha: Beautiful and Profound message and blessings.  May the Light of Love 
that pervades the Whole Universe envelop us and shine on us and absorb us.
 
Here is some Shakti inspired poetry about the Goddess and enlightenment. 
 
http://www.telebyte.nl/~frans/kundalini/poetry.html
 
   
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 19:33:30 -0400 
From: "THOMAS  SMITH" <WHITEKNIGHT11ATnospamprodigy.net> 
To: "Jose Arroyo" <jm_arroyoATnospamhotmail.com>, <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com> 
Subject: Enjoy and have Fun! 
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>From Jose:
 
>Once one has walked both paths, when one is aware that there are 2 options, 
one can choose.
 
This could be broken up into many discussions....There is truly just one 
option my friend as we each are on the same path. It is the road one travels 
that is ones choice. And each road has many curves to experience and to 
choose from but our paths lead to the same place....finding Who We Are and 
Who We Wish to Become during our experience going Home.
 
>Once one has chosen to open oneself (more), to live a life full of Love, 
>with the most understanding, compassion, unconditional servicing towards 
>humanity etc. one will feel the pain of the separation between loved 
>ones.
 
My friend, once one begins to live the Life of Love, there is no separation. 
Living the life in fear creates separation not Love....Unconditional Love is 
acceptance of another doing exactly what they need to do, Now.
 
If one is guided to read A Course In Miracles, Love is taught. If one is 
guided to read Seth Speaks then The Nature of Personal Reality: A Seth Book, 
one learns that we each create our own reality through our beliefs. Walking 
ones experience leads to understanding, there are many ways, many paths, no 
rights or wrongs. So enjoy you Life and have Fun! <S>
 
Love in Light and, Laughter! 
Tom 
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 19:42:36 -0400 
From: "THOMAS  SMITH" <WHITEKNIGHT11ATnospamprodigy.net> 
To: "Mystress Angelique Serpent" <serpentATnospamdomin8rex.com> 
Cc: <morlightATnospammhonline.net>, <kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com> 
Subject: This is Love.... 
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Oh Mystress,that was beautiful and so free flowing....Thank You
 
How about one for the Third-eye now? ;)
 
All the Blessings I have, I send to You 
Tom
 
>  Knock and the Door shall be Opened. 
>   Ask and it Shall be Given. This is cosmic law. You have asked. Now let 
>it be so. Feel the divine breath blowing thru you. 
>  By the power of your surrender, by the Law of Free Will, by the gift of 
>your limitless blessings you grant me the power to move you beyond your 
>illusory limitations. Such is the Law of Shakti, the mechanism of Grace. By 
>surrender we are unified with Goddess.  There in only One. 
>  By giving up All that we have, We become All that Is. 
>  May Goddess return your blessings many times multiplied. 
>  May the lotus of your crown be opened like a window to the stars, to 
>receive the Divine Light from the Great Central Sun. 
>  May it's seed of love  be fertilized in  you, so you may be reborn into 
>eternity, into the void that is the Great Womb of the Mother, as fearless 
>spirit, Child of the Universe. for the Good of all and Harm to None, as 
>Goddess wills. 
>      So mote it be, HERE and NOW !!!  AWAKEN!! 
> 
>     Blessings, Mystress. 
> 
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 20:24:28 EDT 
From: SunSaluteATnospamaol.com 
To: paulATnospamstationone.demon.co.uk, kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com 
Subject: Re:  What's up? 
Message-ID: <9d155150.35b5313dATnospamaol.com> 
 
Paul--
 
You are talking about some *major* questions here!  Everyone on the path must 
eventually ask them.
 
I too alternate between awe of the wonders of this world and a deep conviction 
that there are so many problems that it seems almost foolish to even try to 
solve them.  Yet you've hit the nail on the head when you say that it is our 
attitude towards the world that manufactures these problems--both in the sense 
of percieiving problems where there may be none, and in the sense of actually 
creating more problems because we stubbornly cling to our own personal 
agendas.
 
Yet the truth is that nothing is wrong and nothing really matters. To realize 
this is to deflate our egos, to get rid of all the justifications for our 
righteousness, to open our eyes to the world as it really is, to surrender to 
what is complete, whole and right.
 
I think many of us cling to our notions of wrong because our personalities are 
built upon them, and we feel lost without them.  Yet to keep on clinging is to 
limit ourselves and to separate ourselves from the divine.
 
How can we live in the great generosity of "nothing is wrong?"  How can we 
live in the great freedom of "nothing really matters?"  How can we live in 
love, beyond the daily horrors of the rat race?
 
I don't have any answers; all I can do is add to your own list of 
questions--but how importnat these questions are--and how important it is that 
more and more of us come together to ask them!!!
 
Peace, 
Anthony 
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 21:58:38 EDT 
From: Harsha1MTMATnospamaol.com 
To: WHITEKNIGHT11ATnospamprodigy.net, serpentATnospamdomin8rex.com 
Cc: morlightATnospammhonline.net, kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com 
Subject: All That Is 
Message-ID: <b23adfda.35b5474fATnospamaol.com> 
 
In a message dated 7/21/1998 4:18:25 PM Pacific Daylight Time, 
serpentATnospamdomin8rex.com writes:
 
<< By giving up All that we have, We become All that Is.  >>
 
Harsha: Beautiful and Profound message and blessings.  May the Light of Love 
that pervades the Whole Universe envelop us and shine on us and absorb us.
 
Here is some Shakti inspired poetry about the Goddess and enlightenment. 
 
http://www.telebyte.nl/~frans/kundalini/poetry.html 
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 22:27:18 EDT 
From: Harsha1MTMATnospamaol.com 
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com 
Subject: All That Is 
Message-ID: <5786d7e7.35b54e07ATnospamaol.com> 
 
<< In a message dated 7/21/1998 4:18:25 PM Pacific Daylight Time, 
 serpentATnospamdomin8rex.com writes: 
  
 << By giving up All that we have, We become All that Is.  >> 
  
 Harsha: Beautiful and Profound message and blessings.  May the Light of Love 
 that pervades the Whole Universe envelop us and shine on us and absorb us. 
  
 Here is some Shakti inspired poetry about the Goddess and enlightenment.  
  
 http://www.telebyte.nl/~frans/kundalini/poetry.html 
  >> 
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1998 01:40:56 -0400 
From: David Bozzi <david.bozziATnospamsnet.net> 
To: Kundalini <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com> 
Subject: Re: What's up? 
Message-ID: <35B57B68.AF5879D6ATnospammail.snet.net> 
 
Paul West wrote:
 
> I was looking 
> through a website about mental health and in some way I thought that 
> just about every mental problem applied to me in some way. But why?
 
Because all problems are of the mind.(Thank God it's only one problem and 
it's not even real)
 
> Why would any enlightened person in their right mind want to view 
> themselves as incomplete?
 
I once knew an Enlightened One, but then forgot.(Zzzzzzzz...)
 
> Why would anyone want to take something perfect and try to fix it? It's 
> so 
> stupid.
 
Dreaming that it's broke? 
(Zzzzzzzzz...) 
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1998 06:38:51 -0400 
From: "THOMAS  SMITH" <WHITEKNIGHT11ATnospamprodigy.net> 
To: <fluteATnospamtexas.net> 
Cc: <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com> 
Subject: Re: Shaktipat & Fear 
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Flute wrote:
 
>laughing.. When someone steals your energy they emotionally do it.. when 
>you get angry you deplete yourself.. so its a kind of stealing.. 
>Energy economy is hte best route.. Don't get emotional about anything.. 
>giggling.. especially my notes. 
>Love, 
>flute 
Snip....
 
I once thought by not allowing my emotions to surface I was taking charge 
of the ego. That the ego was something bad. I now realize that the ego is 
a friend who guides me, us, in showing Who I Am Now. This is not Who I Will 
To 
Become although through conscious awareness I am able to observe my 
thoughts, feelings, and emotions which are my current beliefs. By doing this 
I am able to create new beliefs, as shown above I have already begun.
 
Why not get emotional? It's part of Who You Are....
 
Namaste' 
Tom 
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1998 23:22:31 +1200 
From: Siva <guardianATnospamihug.co.nz> 
To: : 
Subject: Something that maybe of interest 
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 WHO AM I ?  
 Every one of you has to know that this question has to worry you  
 sooner or later. And, everyone has to discover the answer. The 
 senses, each specialising in one small field of cognition, are 
 powerless to give the answer; they are at best very inadequate 
 even in their own specialised provinces; there are sounds the ear 
 cannot hear; there are colours the eye cannot take in and interpret 
 to us; and tastes beyond the ken of the buds of the tongue. They are  
 imperfect instruments for the study of the external World. How can 
 they serve to teach us about the intangible, invisible, inner World 
 of the self ? The Vedantic vision alone can reveal to you:  
 "Anoraniyam mahatho maheemyam" 
 "the smaller than the smallest and bigger than the biggest". 
   
      *** Baba 
       
 source: Thought for the Day 
 Book from Prasanthi Nilayam          
  
  
  
  
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Edward Gurd wrote: 
>  
> Could you give m ore specific instructions on the meditation on the 
> needle for 
> arousing or awakening kundalini? 
>  
ok i give some instructions about meditation on the needle. 
it is based on the meditation of gautama boeddha. 
the original word of boeddha was bhavana it means development or 
cultivate 
it's important to understand that because in the western world 
meditation  
is misunderstood. The western  world thinks meditation is escaping from 
the  
world in fantasy. This is a contradiction.! One of the main forms of 
bhavana 
is a sharp consciousness of everything. Living in the now is very 
important. 
Another important aspect of bhavana is that we must analyze our thougts 
and  
feelings. We must do it from a scientific background. 
 --- 
instruction 1 
be attentive. 
sit down in the evening. 
go back in your to your awakening in the morning. 
do it not in words but in images 
if u can't write down the episode. 
if your thougts are wandering away then goto back to your awakening 
write down the moments u have forgotten. 
 --- 
instruction 2 
concentrate on the needle 
observe the needle 
your concentration must be absolute. 
other thoughts are not allowed 
try it and tell me if you succeed. 
 ---- 
instruction3 
concentrate on your respiration 
do not try to control your respiration. 
attempts to control respiration elicts a fight or fly response  
and destroys the relaxation respons.
 
good luck wli 
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1998 07:40:08 +0000 
From: Maureen Heffernan <morlightATnospammhonline.net> 
To: kundalini <kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com> 
Subject: Siva  who am I ? 
Message-ID: <35B59758.8913F7E3ATnospammhonline.net> 
 
Dear Siva, 
So true. What helped me was Krishna's sentence, , , "the body is a 
pillowcase." So simple and in plain everyday lanuage. It helps to close 
the mind, the busy,busy mind down long enough to understand.
 
Logos and Light,
 
+Maureen 
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1998 08:15:31 -0500 
From: flute <fluteATnospamtexas.net> 
To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com 
Subject: Re: Multidimensional Reiki & Stealing Energy 
Message-ID: <35B5E5F3.589EATnospamtexas.net> 
 
> From: "jim privacy" <jprivacyATnospamhotmail.com> 
(snip) 
> Sorry, I'm ignorant. Briefly, what is multidimensional reiki? (Is it 
> like multilevel marketing? :)   ) Thanks.
 
   Multidimensional Reiki is a healing on all levels that promotes you 
taking responsibility for your actions and being able to taste, feel 
smell, hear and breath Reiki. 
   We look at the Usui and Takata Lineage as a mythology that has 
promoted the technique and this is good. However it is not the whole of 
the matter. We rarely mention anything about the History in our classes. 
When we are asked questions, we tell them read the books for the Legends 
and History.  
There are some Reiki people that get so caught up in the ego (Mine's 
bigger than yours concept) and linage and the titles (Of which there are 
none in Japan), That the true idea of Reiki is lost. 
We recognize that all who practice healing honestly and with reverence 
are one and accomplish much.  Also we teach in a more scientific method 
specifically for Nurses and Left Brained people.. <G>Nurses and Doctors 
So Multidimensional Reiki is our trademark.. 
 
  Good Reading is "Reiki Fire" by Frank Petter. Frank is a Reiki Master 
practicing and living in Japan with his Japanese. According to his book 
there were 2,000 Reiki students trained by the Usui Clinics in 1940. 
Also there have been 5 presidents of the original Usui group in Japan 
(still operating in Japan) Which is why the "Reiki Alliance" has been 
unable to Trademark the name.
 
ANOTHER NOTE ON STEALING ENERGY: 
There are some that misunderstood my reference to Stealing energy.. What 
I meant by ths is metophorical.. Another possibly better word is Energy 
Economy.  When someone affects your emotions, you tend to focus on that 
point rather than on your self in the here and now.  That's how my Gang 
type friend controlled his adversaries. By Fear.. because of their fear 
they were not motivited to express themselves in the normal manner. 
Possibly only considering what Might happen instead of what was 
happening. 
(G) 
Love, 
flute 
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Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1998 13:53:29 -0400 
From: "Wonderer" <mrtn74aATnospamprodigy.com> 
To: "kundalini-1" <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com> 
Subject: Planting a Seed 
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Hi K-List Friends,
 
Physical reality has been very active lately, I'm just settling down 
today.  I have been preoccupied too, by a new memory from my past 
life.  I have recalled more detail about the way I ended that life. 
I remember, my higher self told me I had to plant a seed, because 
there was no probability of my dying at that time and place.  I did 
not understand, and I was told that possibility, and probability were 
necessary to effect results in the realm of cause and effect.  My 
higher self agreed that if I were to say goodbye to my husband and 
his friends, telling them I was leaving, this would be planting a 
seed of an adequate probability, that would later require the second 
step (astral visit to ask his spirit to murder me).  This was called 
"planting a seed".  To be sure, this made him angry and set the 
probability in motion.
 
I am both fascinated with the planting the seed concept, and saddened 
by what I have done.  Why did I use this man to help me escape from 
my depressed physical existence?  Why did my higher self assist me in 
this regard?  Did my husband agree, on the spiritual level to this, 
because he needed to learn a lesson about non-attachment?  I have 
asked God for forgiveness of these sins.  But, I do not understand 
why spirit would instruct me in this direction to begin with.
 
When Buddha became enlightened, he saw all his past lives.  Just 
small glimpses of mine can be very painful, and a lot to work 
through.  Just imagine all the mistakes I (we all) have made, and 
dealing with the memory of all this.  I do not remember enough about 
that life to understand why I was so depressed, but that is the only 
way I remember that life.  Perhaps it was a symptom of my early 
kundalini awakening.  Perhaps I have to tell all of you now who may 
be suffering as I was then, not to do what I have done.  There is no 
escaping the will of God.
 
Once again, I am unsettled, and that is good for it means growth.
 
Is anyone familiar with the planting the seed concept?  I am 
wondering if this is some sort of "magick", as in mysticism?  The 
bible also uses much seed analogy, "As ye sow, so shall ye reap",etc. 
In my past life, my family were land owners and farmers; this too 
seems all connected as in a message.
 
Sending seeds of love,
 
Cathy
 
P.S.  My ego has been pestering me to ask Paul West this question, 
and I am finally going to indulge it.  Paul, why is the word "demon" 
in your e-mail address?  What does this signify to you?  Do you feel 
demonized, vilified, possessed?  Are you ready to give up this 
distinction and become a mere mortal yet?  Pardon my intrusion; don't 
answer if its too personal.
 
I just wouldn't want to identify myself in this way to others, unless 
I liked scaring, intimidating, or (perhaps impressing) them?  Once, 
at a convenience store, the cash register came to $6.66 and the 
cashier turned pale and said in a quivering voice the total is $6.66! 
I immediately handed her something else, and she rang it up.  Later, 
my mother-in-law, who is Jewish, wanted an explanation.  When I told 
her it is believed in Christian circles to be the number of the 
devil, she nearly fainted.  I also told her she had named her son 
with 6 digits in each name, and that my ex-husband had the same 
distinction.   Interesting hmm??
 
Hoping you reply (somewhat briefly please :-))
 
Cathy 
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1998 16:25:36 -0400 
From: "Kat" <KCliffordATnospamodyssey.on.ca> 
To: <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com> 
Subject: email troubles? 
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Hi all,
 
I just recieved a message from someone that has told me that a email he sent 
me has bounced back to him.  This is the second time.  I am now wondering if 
other messages are not making it to me.  Is anyone on this list getting 
email bounced back to them when they try to send me email?
 
In L&L & Understanding,
 
Katharine
 
 
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