1998/07/14 21:31
kundalini-l-d Digest V98 #510
kundalini-l-d Digest Volume 98 : Issue 510
Today's Topics:
Re: Dissecting the Frogs [ "Sen Ashanka" <sashankaATnospamaismi.ais.i ]
OBE Cautions, was "Interpreting this [ Orea <oreaATnospamerols.com> ]
Re: Dissecting the Frogs [ "Wonderer" <mrtn74aATnospamprodigy.com> ]
RE: AutoPost from Kundalini Resource [ "s linden" <s365930ATnospamstudent.uq.edu. ]
Mystress Angelique's Grounding page [ "Wonderer" <mrtn74aATnospamprodigy.com> ]
Re: Dissecting the Frogs [ "Paul West" <paulATnospamstationone.demon. ]
Stars [ Lizard4663ATnospamaol.com ]
Re: AutoPost from Kundalini Resource [ "Joseph Miller" <joemillerATnospamhotmail. ]
throat chakra [ MoonDghtrATnospamaol.com ]
Re: OBE Cautions, was "Interpreting [ MoonDghtrATnospamaol.com ]
How do I start [ "Don Q Nguyen" <DNguyenATnospamsemcor.com> ]
Re: OBE Cautions, was "Interpreting [ Orea <oreaATnospamerols.com> ]
Re: AutoPost from Kundalini Resource [ starjunkyATnospamuswest.net ]
Re: Stars [ DruoutATnospamaol.com ]
Re: Mystress Angelique's Grounding p [ Mystress Angelique Serpent <serpent ]
Re: Dissecting the Frogs [ Harsha1MTMATnospamaol.com ]
RE: How do I start [ "jb" <janbarenATnospaminfase.es> ]
AutoPost from Kundalini Resource Cen [ yannick <matrixATnospamroyaume.com> ]
Re: Pretense [ "Ed Arrons" <eeaATnospamaug.com> ]
Re: How do I start - Gopi Krishna, e [ Harsha1MTMATnospamaol.com ]
Re: AutoPost from Kundalini Resource [ freda <fredaATnospamnwlink.com> ]
Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 09:29:20 +0200
From: "Sen Ashanka" <sashankaATnospamaismi.ais.it>
To: "Wonderer" <mrtn74aATnospamprodigy.com>
Cc: "kundalini-1" <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Re: Dissecting the Frogs
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Dear Cathy,
---you wrote---
>1. Time is just an illusion caused by the ticks of change, and
>measured by us relative to the rates of change we perceive. The
>illusion of time, thus, came into being with the creation of physical
>matter. Before that it was always NOW, and it still is NOW.
>
>2. We are all also HERE; space too is an illusion caused by the
>presence of matter. What is space, after all, but a void, or
>nothingness. Science already knows that all matter came from one
>infinitesimally small point. That is all there really is .
Cathy, you are simply wonderful. This is one of the major discoveries
of the ancient saints of India. All this phenomenal world that we see
with our limited relatie senses is an illusion. This is what the
ancient ones called "maya" - or illusion.
They further went on to discover that all that is seen in this "maya"
is temporary and will one day devolve into the source energy -- the
"unified field".
But, there is one reality in all this, that cannot be denied. That
is the fact the You know You exist. This consciousness is the only
reality. The other reality is Existence. This Existence is infinite
and not bound by temporal and spacial constraints. Similarly your
consciousness cannot be bound by temporal and spacial constraints.
In the creation there is only one infinite, no two infinites. So,
these two infinites - the macrocosmic existence, and the micro-
cosmic consciousness -- these two are THE SAME.
So, it is You who are the Universe, You who is Time, You who is
Space......
Cheers and love to all
Ashanka
Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 07:28:41 -0400
From: Orea <oreaATnospamerols.com>
To: Kundalini l list <kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com>
Subject: OBE Cautions, was "Interpreting this experience"
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>Cathy wrote:
><< Sorry I took so long to get back to you on this. One of the main
> obstacles to overcome with OBE's is FEAR! Fear of leaving the body,
> fear of the unknown, fear the body will die if you leave it... >>
> You nailed it right on the head. Every time I start to leave *WHAM* ! the
>fear brings me right on back. I'm scared that if I let go, I will lose myself
>somehow. Is that just ego or is it a legitamate fear?
> ~~~Judy
Hi,
There is something legitimate to fear.
During one of the shamanism workshops I took, we did some pretty
far-reaching, extended journey work. You can go out so far and have such a
great time that you really aren't that motivated to come home. I have had
some difficulty with this even at times I did not expect to.
We worked with partners and were instructed to give a phrase the partner
could use if there was a problem getting you to return, something you knew
would motivate you strongly. "My children need their mother." "Chocolate
ice cream." Whatever floats your boat!
Our instructor told of a woman he knew who didn't come back. She didn't
die or become a vegetable, she went through the motions of her life, but
her personality underwent a distinct change, maybe a flattening would
describe it, because much of her was simply gone. He said she was never
the same afterward.
I'm not saying don't do this, just be careful, don't go too far, don't stay
out too late! (Momspeak!) Use the "buddy system" if you plan extensive
work because this is not a game.
Blessings,
Orea
Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 09:46:39 -0400
From: "Wonderer" <mrtn74aATnospamprodigy.com>
To: "Sen Ashanka" <sashankaATnospamaismi.ais.it>
Cc: "kundalini-1" <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Re: Dissecting the Frogs
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Ashanka wrote:
This is one of the major discoveries of the ancient saints of India.
All this phenomenal world that we see with our limited relatie
senses is an illusion. This is what the ancient ones called "maya" -
or illusion.
They further went on to discover that all that is seen in this "maya"
is temporary and will one day devolve into the source energy -- the
"unified field".
>Cheers and love to all
>Ashanka
>
>
Dear Ashanka,
To be fair, of course, I have read of the "delusion of maya". But, I
could not understand... how it could be a delusion. Breaking it
down, to the illusion of time, space, and finally matter helped me
"get it". Deepak Chopra explains the illusion of time in his books.
The early seers of India knew the nature of matter, and even drew
it - the atom. The nucleous, they say, is the will of God. Without
the benefit of our modern science, they knew all this.
Even so, the modern mind cannot always comprehend the illusion of
space, time and matter. What is required is the willingness to
understand and (for me) considerable effort. I am hoping this is a
step toward piercing the veil.
Cathy
Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 02:33:50 +1000
From: "s linden" <s365930ATnospamstudent.uq.edu.au>
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You could try ear-wax...........!!!!
>From lucas
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I am currently in the process of waking Kundalini so far I have awakened the
first three chakras that was no problem but for some time now I have been
having trouble opening the 4th chakra. My hangup comes in whenever I try to
let the anahat come in to me I am going by John Selby's book "Kundalini
Awakening" Can any one explain this technique to me so that I can better
understand what is going on. Or can anyone give me a specific technigue so
that I can hear the anahata. Thank you Greg Howard
Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 14:15:00 -0400
From: "Wonderer" <mrtn74aATnospamprodigy.com>
To: "kundalini-1" <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Mystress Angelique's Grounding page
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Hi K-Listers,
I just came back from a visit to this page.
http://www.domin8rex.com/serpent/ground.htm
I could feel the charge running through me the moment I saw it.
I am now so charged, I feel like electricity is running through me.
Wow.
Cathy
Date: 8 Jan 78 11:25:20 +0000
From: "Paul West" <paulATnospamstationone.demon.co.uk>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Dissecting the Frogs
Message-Id: <F161A20.MD-0.196.paulATnospamstationone.demon.co.uk>
Sen Ashanka,
> Cathy, you are simply wonderful. This is one of the major discoveries
> of the ancient saints of India. All this phenomenal world that we see
> with our limited relatie senses is an illusion. This is what the
> ancient ones called "maya" - or illusion.
It ain't what you do it's the way that you do it.
> They further went on to discover that all that is seen in this "maya"
> is temporary and will one day devolve into the source energy -- the
> "unified field".
And there is no such thing as permanence IMO.
--
Paul.
IRC: #amiga, Dalnet: #blitz
WWW: http://www.stationone.demon.co.uk
E-M: paulATnospamstationone.demon.co.uk
Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 14:16:46 EDT
From: Lizard4663ATnospamaol.com
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Stars
Message-ID: <3f9763e6.35aba090ATnospamaol.com>
Upon falling asleep last night, a small psychedelic star streamed through the
blackness. It was pretty neat.
Liz
Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 12:15:17 PDT
From: "Joseph Miller" <joemillerATnospamhotmail.com>
To: lhcpmgphATnospamiswt.com
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com, david.bozziATnospamsnet.net
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Gregory wrote:
> (snip) I have been having trouble opening the 4th chakra. (snip) can
anyone give me a specific technigue so that I can hear the anahata.
-----
David wrote:
Do you want to open your heart or do you want a specific technique?
-----
I'll ask a more general question.
Is your goal to advance Kundalini or to open the heart?
It is important for several reasons.
If your first goal is advancing Kundalini, doing a good practice:
maintaining your diet, rest, asana, mantra, etc. will work. If it has
gotten you into third chakra it will take you into fourth given time. If
you need a change your teacher should give it to you, but it is not as
normal to need to change a practice at that level. Above throat it is
more common to need a change, below throat there is usually little need
to change one that has worked at lower levels.
If you're looking for a dramatic event at heart you might want to tone
down your expectations. Women usually have a more dramatic opening at
heart than men. It is also usually easier for them to get heart open
than men, but it balances, once past heart men tend to have an easier
time getting into ajna. This is not universal, nor is it reflective of
one gender being better or worse than the other. It is much like the
physical generality, men are usually stronger (can lift more, etc.) and
women are usually have a more flexible body. It is just a difference
between the sexes.
Fact is many men (and women) don't stop at heart, they just go from
third to fifth, going through heart but not stopping there. The heart is
open in these people, but what you'll see are the manifestations of the
problems at throat or of the freshly open throat. They'll overshadow the
symptoms of the heart chakra's opening.
If advancing Kundalini is secondary to the desire for an experience of
the heart, try doing more Karma Yoga. That is selfless service. Work in
soup kitchens, volunteer in nursing homes, care for the dying, go to a
hospital and hold, rock, and care for crack and/or AIDs babies, etc.
All of these things will help advance Kundalini but they will also lead
to a much more dramatic experience of the heart than other ways of
advancing Kundalini.
Namaste,
Joe
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Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 16:44:03 EDT
From: MoonDghtrATnospamaol.com
To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: throat chakra
Message-ID: <ca671abf.35abc31eATnospamaol.com>
Just a question...
When I feel K energy coursing through my body, both my mate and myself can
feel energy emanating from every chakra except the throat. I feel that it is
bloked and, furthermore, that it is some sort of an emotional
block...something that I cannot (or will not, more likely :) ) let go. I'm
not sure what the block is, specifically. Does anyone have some insight into
such a block?
Thanks in advance,
~~~Judy
Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 16:51:32 EDT
From: MoonDghtrATnospamaol.com
To: oreaATnospamerols.com
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: OBE Cautions, was "Interpreting this experience"
Message-ID: <6970ff42.35abc4d5ATnospamaol.com>
Orea,
Thanks for the advice! My problem is, however, that this (OBE) occurs
spontaneously therefore I don't have a partner to rely upon. What does
someone do in this case? Also, I'm not really scared of enjoying it so much
that I don't want to come back...I'm scared of possession of my body (can't
really describe it better than that) while I'm gone. Is this fear legitimate?
How does one combat such a fear if it is not?
~~~Judy
>Cathy wrote:
><< Sorry I took so long to get back to you on this. One of the main
> obstacles to overcome with OBE's is FEAR! Fear of leaving the body,
> fear of the unknown, fear the body will die if you leave it... >>
>
You nailed it right on the head. Every time I start to leave *WHAM* ! the
>fear brings me right on back. I'm scared that if I let go, I will lose
myself
>somehow. Is that just ego or is it a legitamate fear?
> ~~~Judy
Orea wrote:
There is something legitimate to fear.
*snip*
You can go out so far and have such a
great time that you really aren't that motivated to come home. I have had
some difficulty with this even at times I did not expect to.
*snip*
I'm not saying don't do this, just be careful, don't go too far, don't stay
out too late! (Momspeak!) Use the "buddy system" if you plan extensive
work because this is not a game.
Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 17:41:07 -0400
From: "Don Q Nguyen" <DNguyenATnospamsemcor.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: How do I start
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I meditated for 2 years in 1984 -1986 and felt sensation at the crown,
third eye and at the base (not at the end of the spine) between the anus
and the sex organ. After reading Gopi Krishna book, I stop practicing in
fear of the consequences.
After all of these years, I still feel the sensation at the third eye
without practicing. In the last few days, I start to meditate again and I
start to feel the sensation at the kundalini seat ??? again. Right at this
moment I can feel the tingling sensation.
My question are:
1- Am I in danger ??
2- If I want to continue, what should I do? What is the safe technique?
3- Can anyone help?
Regards,
Don Nguyen
Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 17:58:45 -0400
From: Orea <oreaATnospamerols.com>
To: MoonDghtrATnospamaol.com, Kundalini l list <kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com>
Subject: Re: OBE Cautions, was "Interpreting this experience"
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>Orea,
>Thanks for the advice! My problem is, however, that this (OBE) occurs
>spontaneously therefore I don't have a partner to rely upon. What does
>someone do in this case? Also, I'm not really scared of enjoying it so much
>that I don't want to come back...I'm scared of possession of my body (can't
>really describe it better than that) while I'm gone. Is this fear legitimate?
>How does one combat such a fear if it is not?
If it happens spontaneously, you will have to motivate yourself to return,
give some thought in advance (like now!) to the things that are important
to you in this existence. You should have some control over how far you go
and how long you stay out there, I would think.
As for possession, nothing was mentioned in the class about it being a
problem. I wouldn't worry too much about it. This said, I did have to
evict an unwanted guest from my son some years ago. It can happen OBE's
notwithstanding.
Sorry I can't be more help on that subject.
Blessings,
Orea
Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 04:51:47 -0600
From: starjunkyATnospamuswest.net
To: "kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com" <kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com>
Subject: Re: AutoPost from Kundalini Resource Center
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Claire Illich wrote:
> Hi
> I am new to the concept of Kundalini. I first experienced this last winter as a feeling of electric shocks going my body. This was followed by experiencing visions. I had no idea what was happening to me. The visions I had were extremely scarey for me.. The very first one I saw my granddaughter run in front of a bus. This was accompanied by an energy explosion so strong, I thought I had been hit by lightning, Then it stopped for about 6 months and it is starting again. I am not equipped to deal with this. Anyone who can offer me advice and support would be greatly appreciated.
>
>
> Thanks
>
> Claire
Dear Claire:
Welcome to the list from a newcomer myself. I also have had feelings of electric shocks. Mine happened in 92 . I was laying in bed trying to go to sleep with my eyes closed and could feel myself falling and the shocks would wake me from the falling.
I'm curious to how you saw your visions. Is it a visual flash? Did you look at something that triggered it? Did your grandchild actully get hit ? How did you know that the symptoms you incured had to do with kundalini? How didyou find the list?
Ok Im here to support you girl.....Let me know.
Love and Light
Aimee
Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 18:45:25 EDT
From: DruoutATnospamaol.com
To: Lizard4663ATnospamaol.com, kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Stars
Message-ID: <466ed408.35abdf86ATnospamaol.com>
In a message dated 98-07-14 14:17:54 EDT, Lizard4663ATnospamaol.com writes:
<< Upon falling asleep last night, a small psychedelic star streamed through
the
blackness. It was pretty neat.
>>
Dear Liz,
That's a wonderful image! Did you have any physical sensations with it?
Love, Hillary
Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 12:37:50 -0700
From: Mystress Angelique Serpent <serpentATnospamdomin8rex.com>
To: "Wonderer" <mrtn74aATnospamprodigy.com>
Cc: "kundalini-1" <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Re: Mystress Angelique's Grounding page
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(giggle) Now you know what it feels like to be me....:)
I sing the body electric.. because it feels delicious.
Blessings, Mystress.
PS: when you are very charged up, is a good time to do the "mirror game"
in a dim room and see "who's home? I have gotten pretty good at "nobody
home", vanishing altogether.
At 02:15 PM 14/07/98 -0400, Wonderer wrote:
>
>Hi K-Listers,
>
>I just came back from a visit to this page.
>http://www.domin8rex.com/serpent/ground.htm
>I could feel the charge running through me the moment I saw it.
>I am now so charged, I feel like electricity is running through me.
>Wow.
>
>Cathy
>
>
>
>
>
Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 20:58:25 EDT
From: Harsha1MTMATnospamaol.com
To: sashankaATnospamaismi.ais.it, mrtn74aATnospamprodigy.com
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Dissecting the Frogs
Message-ID: <78eadc03.35abfeb2ATnospamaol.com>
In a message dated 7/14/1998 12:36:58 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
sashankaATnospamaismi.ais.it writes:
<< So, it is You who are the Universe, You who is Time, You who is
Space......
Cheers and love to all
Ashanka >>
Harsha: Now that you have heard it, all you have to do is to be Your Self.
The Gap between intellectual knowledge and experiential knowledge is then
clearly seen. The goal of spiritual practice including Kundalini Yoga is to
narrow that Gap and eventually remove it. To do it one must enter the Silence
All Alone and see Eternity in all its Nakedness. Are we ready to give up our
clothes? It is quite hot and humid this time of the year.
Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 02:54:54 +0100
From: "jb" <janbarenATnospaminfase.es>
To: "K. list" <kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com>
Subject: RE: How do I start
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Don wrote:
> I meditated for 2 years in 1984 -1986 and felt sensation at the crown,
> third eye and at the base (not at the end of the spine) between the anus
> and the sex organ. After reading Gopi Krishna book, I stop practicing in
> fear of the consequences.
>
> After all of these years, I still feel the sensation at the third eye
> without practicing. In the last few days, I start to meditate again and I
> start to feel the sensation at the kundalini seat ??? again.
> Right at this
> moment I can feel the tingling sensation.
>
> My question are:
> 1- Am I in danger ??
> 2- If I want to continue, what should I do? What is the safe technique?
> 3- Can anyone help?
You are not in danger. Gopi Krishna's experiences are not the rule but the
exception. Many experience with K. is the opposite. K. is to burn away
karma. Ignoring all phenomena that K. brings, in the sense of not getting
engaged in them is a safe way. If some of the phenomena can be used as an
aid to concentration, it is right to do so. The sensation at the third eye
and crown chakra could be useful in concentration. Generally, K. heats up
the mind so meditation has to silence or at least calm down the mind. A warm
heart is also indispensable. It will prevent the mind to dabble with
'personal' things as like/dislike, pleasant/unpleasant and other pairs of
opposites. The practice of trying to see the Self in everyone/everything
does the same: not providing food for the mind in the form of the pairs of
opposites. One of the consequences is to avoid as much as possible all
issues that require personal opinion and the arguments caused by engaging in
it. Another consequence is that this way of silencing the mind will develop
intuition, so that after a while you will know what to do with respect to
your sadhana. This is not the intuition that sometimes is right, sometimes
is wrong, but one that never fails.
Jan
Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 16:39:04 -1000 (HST)
From: yannick <matrixATnospamroyaume.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: AutoPost from Kundalini Resource Center
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hello,
i'm 25 years old and i want to say.
do not play with kundalini!,it's not as fun as you think
it's a sacred force inside of us and you must be very sage to understand
how to practice that.
it's not as stupid as you think cause
when doing sexual ritual with your "wife",the man does not ,in any case,
spend his semen(sperme) cause if you do that you must pay after that by the karma.
mean,that the force must not serve the animal in you but the spirit.
you must have the right wife too....and many other rules.
but be caustious with that,it's a good practice but only who have the force to think wisely
is this a man who want to never ejaculate during sexual act? for all your entire life?
are you ready and strong enought to sacrify yourself day by day in front
of all obstacle of the life?
maybe i'm wrong,but i think jesus(*) was the only man who want to sacrifice his animal being
in front of all of us.
are you ready to accept the life and beat the dragon inside of you.
well,you'll have to gain many experience and learn many thing about the energie
before practicing the kundalini ritual no?
i'm not a sage but be causious with that,it's not for kids i think.
thanks
Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 23:30:47 -0400
From: "Ed Arrons" <eeaATnospamaug.com>
To: "Jose Arroyo" <jm_arroyoATnospamhotmail.com>, <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Re: Pretense
Message-Id: <199807150330.XAA13456ATnospamsandia.aug.com>
Jose Arroyo: (thanks for responding.)
One that is pretending, isn't he/she lying to himself/herself... not
being honest with himself/herself?
Someone else's pretense might seem to be dishonest but really be
a need for attention and approval. The pretense seen in others may
very well be our own.
"Oh, yes I'm the great pretender" Elvis P.
Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 23:34:06 EDT
From: Harsha1MTMATnospamaol.com
To: DNguyenATnospamsemcor.com, kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: How do I start - Gopi Krishna, etc.
Message-ID: <27654a43.35ac2330ATnospamaol.com>
In a message dated 7/14/1998 2:42:49 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
DNguyenATnospamsemcor.com writes:
<< I meditated for 2 years in 1984 -1986 and felt sensation at the crown,
third eye and at the base (not at the end of the spine) between the anus
and the sex organ. After reading Gopi Krishna book, I stop practicing in
fear of the consequences.
After all of these years, I still feel the sensation at the third eye
without practicing. In the last few days, I start to meditate again and I
start to feel the sensation at the kundalini seat ??? again. Right at this
moment I can feel the tingling sensation.
My question are:
1- Am I in danger ??
2- If I want to continue, what should I do? What is the safe technique?
3- Can anyone help?
Regards,
Don Nguyen
>>
Harsha: I would agree with what Jan said earlier. If you feel fear in
meditation and do not understand its nature, you should seek the help of an
experienced individual. Being on the K-list may be helpful. There was an
extensive discussion/debate on Gopi Krishna and his books on the k-list about
7-8 months ago. It should be in the archives and may be helpful for those who
are intimidated by the experiences related by Gopi Krishna and therefore
discouraged from spiritual practices. Although there are no universal rules,
many teachers suggest that the Anahata (with the proper use of SO-HUM mantra
and/or a simple meditation on the breath) is a good place to start if one
wants to unfold gradually and safely. The Heart Center is acknowledged both
in the Christian and the Jewish traditions as well.
The following article on the Web, based on my own experience and
background, may be helpful for those interested in Kundalini awakening and
Self-Realization. It contains important cautions about meditation and
pranayama.
The Spiritual Experience and the Awakening of
>Kundalini Shakti in Tantra Yoga
>http://www.telebyte.nl/~frans/kundalini/harsh.html
Here is some Shakti inspired poetry about the Goddess and enlightenment.
http://www.telebyte.nl/~frans/kundalini/poetry.html
Below is a repost from sometime ago on meditation on the energy centers.
There is a lot of information available on these matters in books and on the
web. Having personal guidance from an experienced Yogi can be very helpful at
critical stages. Kurt's Keutzer's FAQ on the Web is very informative and is
written by a person who has extensive experience and knowledge of the subject
of Kundalini.
In a message dated 98-02-11 23:01:27 EST, keutzerATnospameecs.berkeley.edu writes:
<< Harsha mentioned, and many teachers
have as well (e.g. Sri Chinmoy), that concentration should begin with the
heart cakra. >>
Harsha writes: Yes, I had said that for many aspirants Anahata is a good place
to start as it is safer and allows for gradual unfolding. However, there are
no universal rules. People have different inclinations which are natural to
them. Those who practice pranayama (under guidance) may find it useful to
combine it with concentration and meditation on the Manipura and Ajna. As I
mentioned in my paper (at the Kundalini home site), Kundalini is more easily
awakened with meditations on Ajna, Sahasarara, Manipura , etc. Sometimes
aspirants start with muladhara and work their way up (meditating on each
center for several months). When I was initiated, my Gurudev told me to make
my primary meditation on the Sahasarara. I enjoyed meditating on all the
centers and exploring their energies, but spent more time with Sahasarara as
that was my primary aim. Ultimately I realized that there is a Reality beyond
all the Centers which transcends Superconscious states, all thought and doubt.
Where ever we start and where ever we meditate, we are bound to end up in our
own Self, the Eternal Being. May we all become true devotees of the Lord of
Life and obtain his grace and mercy. God bless everyone with all that is best
in life.
Harsha
Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 20:39:08 -0700
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To: matrixATnospamroyaume.com
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Wheeww,!! am I glad I dont have need for a wife!
that's some scarry stuff.
:)
yannick wrote:
>
> hello,
> i'm 25 years old and i want to say.
> do not play with kundalini!,it's not as fun as you think
> it's a sacred force inside of us and you must be very sage to understand
> how to practice that.
> it's not as stupid as you think cause
> when doing sexual ritual with your "wife",the man does not ,in any case,
> spend his semen(sperme) cause if you do that you must pay after that by the karma.
> mean,that the force must not serve the animal in you but the spirit.
> you must have the right wife too....and many other rules.
> but be caustious with that,it's a good practice but only who have the force to think wisely
> is this a man who want to never ejaculate during sexual act? for all your entire life?
> are you ready and strong enought to sacrify yourself day by day in front
> of all obstacle of the life?
> maybe i'm wrong,but i think jesus(*) was the only man who want to sacrifice his animal being
> in front of all of us.
> are you ready to accept the life and beat the dragon inside of you.
> well,you'll have to gain many experience and learn many thing about the energie
> before practicing the kundalini ritual no?
> i'm not a sage but be causious with that,it's not for kids i think.
> thanks
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