1998/07/13  04:50  
 kundalini-l-d Digest V98 #508 
  
kundalini-l-d Digest				Volume 98 : Issue 508
 
Today's Topics: 
  Re: (no subject)*street sense*        [ freda <fredaATnospamnwlink.com> ] 
  A dream                               [ "Paul West" <paulATnospamstationone.demon. ] 
  AutoPost from Kundalini Resource Cen  [ Claire Illich <ClaireiATnospamaol.com> ] 
  Re: (no subject)*street sense*        [ Rainsong <rainsongATnospamvalley-internet. ] 
  Re: (no subject)*street sense*        [ "Sharon Webb" <shawebbATnospamyhc.edu> ] 
  Re:*street sense*                     [ "Michael M. Zanoni" <herbgmpATnospamix.net ] 
  Street Sense                          [ Orea <oreaATnospamerols.com> ] 
  AutoPost from Kundalini Resource Cen  [ Gregory Howard <lhcpmgphATnospamiswt.com> ] 
  Re: AutoPost from Kundalini Resource  [ nancy <nancyATnospamwtp.net> ] 
  Re: AutoPost:Anahata Voice.           [ Mystress Angelique Serpent <serpent ] 
  Re: AutoPost: Anahata voice.          [ Mystress Angelique Serpent <serpent ] 
  Melody/e-mail                         [ WEIVODAATnospamaol.com ] 
  AutoPost from Kundalini Resource Cen  [ Royale Shelton <rjillsATnospamcruzio.com> ] 
  Re: AutoPost:Anahata Voice.           [ nancy <nancyATnospamwtp.net> ] 
  Meaning of Life / Soul                [ WEIVODAATnospamaol.com ] 
  Re: (no subject)*street sense*        [ MMeyers541ATnospamaol.com ] 
  Re: *street sense*                    [ MMeyers541ATnospamaol.com ] 
  RE: Captives of the mind              [ "Jose Arroyo" <jm_arroyoATnospamhotmail.co ] 
  Re: Pretense                          [ "Jose Arroyo" <jm_arroyoATnospamhotmail.co ] 
  Re: Freda                             [ "Jose Arroyo" <jm_arroyoATnospamhotmail.co ] 
  Re: (no subject)*street sense*        [ "Jose Arroyo" <jm_arroyoATnospamhotmail.co ] 
Date: Sun, 12 Jul 1998 04:24:51 -0700 
From: freda <fredaATnospamnwlink.com> 
To: jim privacy <jprivacyATnospamHotmail.com> 
CC: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com 
Subject: Re: (no subject)*street sense* 
Message-ID: <35A89D03.5053ATnospamnwlink.com> 
 
Hello Jim, & Others,
 
> Wonder what the opinion of others is on the general subject: do you  
> trust in Allah but tie up the camel? In this case, does common sense  
> prevail and you take precautions to defend yourself from possibility of  
> attack? Or does metaphysical theory prevail, and you avoid even the  
> thought of being attacked for fear of creating that condition in the  
> world i.e., fear that your negative thoughts will attract negativity to  
> you? 
 
I can of corse only speak to the issues as they affect me, what I have 
done, and the results of my actions. 
I have always been cautious, I know the danger is out there, I keep my 
eyes open and my ears 1/2 open, I listen to my walkman with one earplug. 
I have been doing this kind of work for 6 years and NEVER, until now had 
any confrontations, but I never let my guard down either. When I first 
started, good intententioned people gave me mase & a knife, even had one 
give me a gun.... I promtly removed both the gun and its owner from my 
home... I never even held the knife in my hand, I personally would never 
be able to use it so why carry it? I did carry the mase for a few days 
and then gave that up, it made me *feel* like I was drawing trouble to 
me. Okay, I am a whimp! I prefere to blend into the woodwork, I speak a 
friendly hello to anyone I pass - first - I don't wait for them to speak 
to me, and then right back into the woodwork I go... this usually works, 
for me.. I have been known to run like hell to the nearest door when 
feeling threatened, screaming the whole way,,, but this was in the 
daytime,,,, and it turned out nobody was persuing me anyway.. :0 
I think there IS something to be said for *bad vibes* I see this with 
dogs and cats, that I can pass an animal repeatedly night after night 
with no problem if I am in good spirits,, but I have learned to be 
stand-offish with them if I am feeling out of sorts... they pick up on 
this and it makes them nervous.. they get defesive. People are the same 
way. 
This incident with Liz-Beth, I think that what happened with her 
probably was the result of a couple of things... first, I *was* putting 
out bad vibes, and secondly, she is a very nervous highly strug 
individual to begin with,,, just like the dogs, she felt those vibes and 
she defended herself... her guard was definitly UP and her "street 
sense" prevailed.  
I dont feel like I brought this on myself, nor do I blame her for her 
actions. In this case it was more like two fools passing in the night, I 
am just thankful she wasnt carring a gun!  
BTW I dont think this is a blame the victim attitude, it may sound 
whippy, but in 43 years I have been assulted 2x's both by women, both of 
them highly sensitive, socially victimized... and neither time did I 
have the wit about me to defend myself,,, the thoughts in my head both 
times were of "why?" and neither time could I find reason to retaliate 
either during the incidents or later, and in hind sight have been glad I 
didn't. 
Domestic violence on the other hand has been a different matter,,,, on 
those occasions I was rightfully indignint from the get go,,, didn't 
have to think... just got bigger than life and whopped ass ... so maybe 
I am not such a wimp after all... 
>From what I have seen, there are those people who talk tough, and find 
they have to prove it... and there are those who carry wepons, and find 
they have to use them. And sometimes those of us who do neither run into 
someone with a stick...  
I don't wish to change myself to accomadate the violence in the world so 
I will just contiue to be myself, say hello, and stear clear of people 
and 
situations which make me feel uneasy.... and maybe take a friend along 
when 
I'm giving off bad vibes......... to keep my spirits up.  
freda 
Date: 6 Jan 78 11:42:08 +0000 
From: "Paul West" <paulATnospamstationone.demon.co.uk> 
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com 
Subject: A dream 
Message-Id: <F137AAC.MD-0.196.paulATnospamstationone.demon.co.uk> 
 
Hi.
 
Had a quite lovely dream this morning. It was nighttime and I looked 
up into the sky. Space was pitch black and every star sparkled with 
great clarity. I then started to see constellations and there appeared 
`outline images' of the constellation's characters, cancer, 
saggitarious, taurus, pegasus, etc. And it was as though I had never 
seen this before or had the clarity to do so. It was most beautiful 
and I was in awe.
 
Anyway. Things with me have been improving lately. With some help from 
the zodiac I seem to be asking "why?" a lot less. There's a warmth 
that seems to glow inside of me. It seems that anything is possible 
and that there is no reason for this not to be allowed. A horoscope 
for this past week said that I should (would) keep my intellectual 
analysis for the crossword. This is certainly occuring. I seem to wake 
up these days without wondering why the hell I exist. The intellectual 
reasons why certain things are not allower or right are so... 
unnecessary.
 
-- 
Paul.
 
IRC: #amiga, Dalnet: #blitz 
WWW: http://www.stationone.demon.co.uk 
E-M: paulATnospamstationone.demon.co.uk 
Date: Sun, 12 Jul 1998 05:35:45 -1000 (HST) 
From: Claire Illich <ClaireiATnospamaol.com> 
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com 
Subject: AutoPost from Kundalini Resource Center  
Message-Id: <199807121535.FAA15981ATnospamhaleakala.aloha.net>
 
Hi 
I am new to the concept of Kundalini.   I first experienced this last winter as a feeling of electric shocks going  my body.  This was followed by experiencing visions.  I had no idea what was happening to me.  The visions I had were extremely scarey for me..  The very first one I saw my granddaughter run in front of a bus.  This was accompanied by an energy explosion so strong, I thought I had been hit by lightning,  Then it stopped for about 6 months and it is starting again.  I am not equipped to deal with this.  Anyone who can offer me advice and support would be greatly appreciated. 
  
 
Thanks
 
Claire 
Date: Sun, 12 Jul 1998 11:25:17 -0500 
From: Rainsong <rainsongATnospamvalley-internet.net> 
To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com 
Subject: Re: (no subject)*street sense* 
Message-Id: <2.2.16.19980712092216.312f8728ATnospammail.valley-internet.net> 
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> 
>Wonder what the opinion of others is on the general subject: do you  
>trust in Allah but tie up the camel? In this case, does common sense  
>prevail and you take precautions to defend yourself from possibility of  
>attack? Or does metaphysical theory prevail, and you avoid even the  
>thought of being attacked for fear of creating that condition in the  
>world i.e., fear that your negative thoughts will attract negativity to  
>you?  
>
 
A devout man was caught unaware in a flash flood.  He climbed to the roof of 
his house, and watched the water rise.  As it reached the first floor, a man 
on a raft came by and offered him a ride to higher ground.  
 
"No thanks." he replied. "I've asked God to rescue me.  He'll be coming by 
shortly."   
As the water rose, another man in a motor boat came by, yelling "Get in!"   
 
"No thanks.  I've asked God to rescue me.  If I need help, he will save me."
 
The water rose to the eaves of the roof.  A helicopter flew over, dropping a 
rope ladder.  Again, the answer was, "No thanks.  I've asked God to rescue 
me.  If I need help, he will save me."
 
The man drowned.  As he approached God, he accused angrily.  "You said to 
trust You but you let me drown."
 
God's answer, "I sent two boats and a helicopter.  What more did you want?"
 
------------ 
We are spiritual beings having a human experience.  Because we are governed 
by physical limits, we have to live by physical law.  I live in the here and 
now.  Life is good and well worth living!
 
Trust in One's Higher Power does not mean avoiding life.  Fear of a negative 
thought creates more problems than facing the thought, owning, embracing and 
processing it.  Denial is more den a river in Egypt.  I refuse to further 
victimize the victim by asking, "How did you manifest this?"  
 
Women especially have to be able to take care of themselves.  I live in a 
small town, have little to fear from assailants, however, there is nothing 
wrong with taking care of myself!  I carry a knife when I am out alone. 
(There is nothing unusual about that, as I use it to cut string, flowers, 
etc. and this is "country".)  
 
If one is processing "old stuff" and goes into "hit me" mode, be aware of 
it.  Look at where it came from, why you are still holding on.  Get 
emotional/mental support from trusted friends or a support group.  Ask your 
Higher Power (Mine is the Goddess) for help.  Shield yourself psychically, 
*and* physically.  Learn about how perpetrators of crime choose their 
victims.  Take self defense courses.  Just having the protection available 
often is enough to deter an attack.
 
What is the difference between a lady and a wench?  A lady carries a blade 
and can say NO when she wants!
 
Just my thoughts/opinions on a well asked question.
 
Rainsong 
Date: Sun, 12 Jul 1998 12:30:03 -0400 
From: "Sharon Webb" <shawebbATnospamyhc.edu> 
To: <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com> 
Subject: Re: (no subject)*street sense* 
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Jim and all,
 
I want to live in a safe universe.  I left a dangerous city (Miami) and 
moved to a small town in the Blue Ridge mountains.  I choose to trust people 
and situations, but I also trust the vibes and feelings I get.
 
I don't tie up the camel much.  Until we moved three years ago, I left my 
house and car unlocked all the time unless we were going out of town for 
more than two days.  Started locking where we are now, as there are many 
part-time summer residences in our neighborhood---and vacation houses are 
attractive to thieves.  I still leave the car unlocked though.  :-)  I also 
have two big dogs---teddy bears, but strangers are afraid of them.
 
I have let stranded strangers into my house at 1 or 2 in the morning...and 
on one memorable occasion, the strangers were a blue-grass band who played 
for an hour for my daughter and me before their ride showed up.  Once I 
opened the door at 1:30 AM to two teen-agers armed with shotguns.  They were 
there to suggest I put my horses up in the barn as they had spotted a 
mountain lion on the prowl.
 
I hired a young schizophrenic to work around the house and cut deadfall with 
a chainsaw.  I thought nothing of this until my daughter pointed out the 
dangers she perceived.  But he was utterly harmless and needed a job, so I 
kept him on.
 
We keep guns in the house---about a dozen---but they haven't been fired in 
years and I seldom think of them.
 
I tend to trust people and believe what they tell me---unless vibes kick in 
that they are lying or in some way a danger to me.  When this happens, I 
completely trust my inner impressions.  I know I am guided.  When I hear 
inner voices telling me to "Get out!  Now!" believe me I don't hang around.
 
When I was driving home from work once at night, I was chased by four men in 
a car.  It was on a lonely mountain road where even the CB radio couldn't 
get a signal, but I outran them.
 
When I worked in the Emergency Room, I encountered drunks, druggies, and 
belligerents of all stripes.  Some carried knives; some brandished them, but 
it seems at times like that that an inner energy comes flowing out very 
strongly and says, in effect---and effectively---"Stop that!"  When a 
situation is tense and potentially dangerous, I become very calm.
 
I had fifty dollars taken from my purse once, but that was the only theft in 
my life.
 
I'm sure a lot of people will think I'm a fool for living the way I do.  I 
can only say, I'd rather be this way than to mistrust and withdraw.  I may 
be a fool, but it works for me.
 
Sharon
 
>Wonder what the opinion of others is on the general subject: do you 
>trust in Allah but tie up the camel? In this case, does common sense 
>prevail and you take precautions to defend yourself from possibility of 
>attack? Or does metaphysical theory prevail, and you avoid even the 
>thought of being attacked for fear of creating that condition in the 
>world i.e., fear that your negative thoughts will attract negativity to 
>you? 
Date: Sun, 12 Jul 1998 10:42:54 -0700 
From: "Michael M. Zanoni" <herbgmpATnospamix.netcom.com> 
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com 
CC: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com 
Subject: Re:*street sense* 
Message-ID: <35A8F59E.2E4FF640ATnospamix.netcom.com> 
 
>
 
Friends -I found that there is a great difference between not manifesting 
violence and manifesting not-violence.  The "not manifesting violence" is 
the idea that I could alter my thoughts and personal manifestations such 
that I would not create violent situations in my life.  The "manifesting 
not-violence" means that I developed the emotional state where, when 
confronted with a situation that might go any direction, I would be able to 
control my participation so that something other than a violent outcome was 
manifested.  I have had many real-world experiences in this area, having 
worked as a police officer, in military intelligence, as a drug counselor, a 
teacher in jails, and as a psychologist. 
It took almost twenty years of work in meditation, martial arts, and 
generally overcoming my own ignorance for me to realize that so much 
violence in my life originated from my own fear.  Much of this fear was able 
to grow in me because I was unable to allow the Love shown to me by others 
to penetrate into my Heart.
 
I no longer sleep with a firearm by the bed, but I still tie my camels up at 
night.
 
Mike Zanoni 
Date: Sun, 12 Jul 1998 17:19:27 -0400 
From: Orea <oreaATnospamerols.com> 
To: Kundalini l list <kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com> 
Subject: Street Sense 
Message-Id: <v04011701b1ced83b5d4bATnospam[207.172.146.239]> 
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I knew a gifted psychic who thought he didn't have to lock up his house 
because that would show lack of faith in his protection.  Guess what? 
An angry former associate knew his schedule, brought a couple of strong 
cohorts and robbed him blind, stole his computer and all of his mailing 
lists, a large sum of cash he left in the desk drawer even though he had 
a safe, etc.
 
Faith has its place but nothing can replace common sense and simple 
precautions.
 
Blessings,
 
Orea 
Date: Sun, 12 Jul 1998 11:37:15 -1000 (HST) 
From: Gregory Howard <lhcpmgphATnospamiswt.com> 
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com 
Subject: AutoPost from Kundalini Resource Center  
Message-Id: <199807122137.LAA20688ATnospamhaleakala.aloha.net>
 
I am currently in the process of waking Kundalini so far I have awakened the first three chakras that was no problem but for some time now I have been having trouble opening the 4th chakra.  My hangup comes in whenever I try to let the anahat come in to me I am going by John Selby's book "Kundalini Awakening"  Can any one explain this technique to me so that I can better understand what is going on.  Or can anyone give me a specific technigue so that I can hear the anahata.  Thank you   Greg Howard 
Date: Sun, 12 Jul 1998 16:13:41 -0600 
From: nancy <nancyATnospamwtp.net> 
To: lhcpmgphATnospamiswt.com, kundalini-1 <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com> 
Subject: Re: AutoPost from Kundalini Resource Center 
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Hi Greg,
 
Welcome. I am not familiar with the John Selby or his techniques. Can 
you please explain and let us (or at least me) know what hearing 
"anahata" means?
 
Again, welcome to the list.
 
Nancy 
Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 16:22:35 -0700 
From: Mystress Angelique Serpent <serpentATnospamdomin8rex.com> 
To: lhcpmgphATnospamiswt.com 
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com 
Subject: Re: AutoPost:Anahata Voice.  
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At 11:37 AM 12/07/98 -1000, Gregory Howard wrote: 
>  Can any one explain this technique to me so that I can better understand 
what is going on.  Or can anyone give me a specific technique so that I can 
hear the anahata.  Thank you   Greg Howard 
> 
  Here ya go:
 
 The grounding visualization for awakening Kundalini is at  
     http://www.domin8rex.com/serpent/ground.htm   
  Please visit this page when you have 20 minutes to relax  
and do the meditation, as the page is "charged" with Shakti  
and keyed to be released by your free will choice to visit the page. 
      Blessings, Mystress. 
Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 16:24:51 -0700 
From: Mystress Angelique Serpent <serpentATnospamdomin8rex.com> 
To: nancyATnospamwtp.net 
Cc: lhcpmgphATnospamiswt.com, kundalini-1 <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com> 
Subject: Re: AutoPost: Anahata voice. 
Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980713162451.00c804bcATnospamdomin8rex.com> 
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  The still, small voice within, the voice of the Heart Chakra is the 
perfect Guru. 
     Blessings, Mystress.  
  
At 04:13 PM 12/07/98 -0600, nancy wrote: 
>Can 
>you please explain and let us (or at least me) know what hearing 
>"anahata" means? 
> 
>Again, welcome to the list. 
> 
>Nancy 
> 
> 
> 
Date: Sun, 12 Jul 1998 19:31:59 EDT 
From: WEIVODAATnospamaol.com 
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com 
Subject: Melody/e-mail 
Message-ID: <15536cce.35a94770ATnospamaol.com> 
 
Melody....I miss placed your e-mail address, being the air head I have been 
latley.  So can you please contact me. 
Kristin 
Date: Sun, 12 Jul 1998 15:06:23 -1000 (HST) 
From: Royale Shelton <rjillsATnospamcruzio.com> 
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com 
Subject: AutoPost from Kundalini Resource Center  
Message-Id: <199807130106.PAA27661ATnospamhaleakala.aloha.net>
 
Hello to all. Just resubscribed to list but found out I could e-mail it direcly 
so Im testing this method.  Any old members still on from l996?  Royale 
Date: Sun, 12 Jul 1998 19:17:26 -0600 
From: nancy <nancyATnospamwtp.net> 
To: Mystress Angelique Serpent <serpentATnospamdomin8rex.com>, 
 kundalini-1 <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com> 
Subject: Re: AutoPost:Anahata Voice. 
Message-ID: <35A96022.7BEB4D20ATnospamwtp.net> 
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Mystress Angelique Serpent wrote:
 
>  The grounding visualization for awakening Kundalini is at 
>      http://www.domin8rex.com/serpent/ground.htm 
>   Please visit this page when you have 20 minutes to relax 
> and do the meditation, as the page is "charged" with Shakti 
> and keyed to be released by your free will choice to visit the page.
 
I've already mentioned to Angelique that I had quite a charged feeling right 
after doing this meditation. But I have to share with you all that I am soooo 
ENERGIZED! I'm storming around the house in my swimming suit cleaning...and I 
HATE cleaning. I've got my bathroom all scrubbed, fridge cleaned, rugs in the 
wash. Next I'm going grocery shopping. (I'll put some clothes on for that :-)
 
I've realized that I have allowed my self to be depleted of energy...maybe 
operating at about 50% of capacity. Whatever goes on with that meditation put 
me in connection with my source. I feel renewed!
 
Thanks again, Angelique!
 
Nancy 
Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 00:12:59 EDT 
From: WEIVODAATnospamaol.com 
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com 
Subject: Meaning of Life / Soul 
Message-ID: <febdceb0.35a9894dATnospamaol.com> 
 
If you were a speck, on the surface of a vast galaxy, controlled by nothing 
but insticts given to you by forces you never will understand. Can you still 
achieve greatness?
 
If you make a doghouse, is it merely certain pieces of certain matter, held 
together by so many forces that it is innumerable, arranged in a specific 
order to serve a purpose to our needs, in the end is it just a doghouse or 
something else?
 
If you lead the horse to water and it will not drink, what would be any 
different if you lead the horse to heaven?
 
Just Thinking, 
Kristin 
Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 00:34:28 EDT 
From: MMeyers541ATnospamaol.com 
To: shawebbATnospamyhc.edu 
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com 
Subject: Re: (no subject)*street sense* 
Message-ID: <bcf1b7a5.35a98e56ATnospamaol.com> 
 
In a message dated 98-07-12 12:30:49 EDT, you write:
 
<< I'm sure a lot of people will think I'm a fool for living the way I do.  I 
 can only say, I'd rather be this way than to mistrust and withdraw.  I may 
 be a fool, but it works for me.    Sharon >>
 
Hi Sharon,
 
I'm with you a 1,000%!!  I think we are all gently guided by Spirit, and that 
whatever "bad" happens to us is a blessing in disguise...a lesson that we need 
for growth.  We just can't see it until we're "further on down the road." 
--Michele 
Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 00:39:12 EDT 
From: MMeyers541ATnospamaol.com 
To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com 
Subject: Re: *street sense* 
Message-ID: <62cf6d4c.35a98f71ATnospamaol.com> 
 
Hi All,
 
Been following this thread a few days about protecting yourself from the evils 
that abound thruout the city & country.  Here's my 2 cents...
 
Whenever I'm out & about, & see possible danger, such as an unfriendly dog, I 
simply send my love, say something sweet like, "Hi, Puppy"...and be on my way. 
Works for me--Michele 
Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 00:25:44 PDT 
From: "Jose Arroyo" <jm_arroyoATnospamhotmail.com> 
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com 
Subject: RE: Captives of the mind 
Message-ID: <19980713072544.12743.qmailATnospamhotmail.com> 
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>Dear Jose, 
> 
>My post was about : 'inner' and 'outer' senses. Nowhere did I use the  
words 
>'intuition' and 'knowing'. I didn't have intuition in mind, as (IMO) it
 
Okay Jan. I thought you were meaning something else; you had something  
else in your mind. 
 
Love and Joy, 
Jose
 
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Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 02:58:00 PDT 
From: "Jose Arroyo" <jm_arroyoATnospamhotmail.com> 
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com 
Subject: Re: Pretense 
Message-ID: <19980713095801.20334.qmailATnospamhotmail.com> 
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> 
>Thankfully, the symptoms in this moment of separation, this  
>pseudo "now", can  be recognized: the mind in linear mode,  
>typing letters and words in  sequence; the possibility of endless  
>discussion in concepts metaphorically parallel to various truths  
>that prevent the actual experience; the wanting of  recognition 
>and assurance of being 'wise' or humorous; the possibility of   
>drifting from subject to subject without a sense of completeness;  
>the temptation to indulge in pretentious spirituality, humility, and  
>self-awareness.....Oops!  :-) 
> 
>
 
Dear Ed,
 
Thanks for this interesting posting. How true! 
Pretense... Yes, sure! How could it be different when one wants to talk  
about something in a personal way without the (real) wish to share but  
moreover to 'impose' ones own ideas/views... Or, even talking about  
something one has not experience at all... Or, when does one stops  
wearing all kind of masks and just be oneself? ... 
It has happen in the past, its happening now and it will happen in the  
future. 
One that is pretending, isn't he/she lying to himself/herself... not  
being honest with himself/herself?
 
Love and Joy, 
Jose
 
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Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 03:27:45 PDT 
From: "Jose Arroyo" <jm_arroyoATnospamhotmail.com> 
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com 
Subject: Re: Freda 
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Hello Freda&Cathy,
 
I wish you both are feeling better!
 
> 
>The only explanation I've come up with is "these are some sort of 
>tests, or growing experiences".  After a while, my "center" will 
>shift in response to these changes. 
>
 
Thats it! There is knowing to learn if nothing happens... :-)
 
>For some reason, people we meet are reacting to some sort of vibe you 
>(and I) are giving out.  To be sure, these are people who were
 
Most of the times there is a positive or negative respons to the vibes   
one is transmitting (even in the case where these vibes are loving  
ones...)
 
>have observed correcting others behavior before on the train.  I feel 
>she needed to be corrected in this way, but I also feel I failed to 
>handle the situation lovingly, and that I am incapable of doing so, 
>or handling it any better.  This has bothered me for two days. 
>
 
You were aware that you could have handled the situation (more)  
lovingly. How lovely is this for itself for how many people do not  
respond in a non-loving way and are not at the least aware of the pain  
they may have inflicted to other(s)? 
Cathy, it is beautiful to be (fully) aware of one's own non-loving  
events and feeling remorse for that, for in doing this one has already  
learn something very important. Probably, if you encounter this lady  
again you will respond differently, isn't it? *smile* 
Do not dwell too long on a negative experience or this experience will  
influence your life (negatively) for some time. Live the experience,  
choose to learn from it (or not) and go on... with life!
 
> 
>I feel that some sort of purification process will help this stage 
>pass.  Cleansing of the body, clothes, house and mind, so nothing 
>impure is attached to you.  Meditate, and ask God to help you get rid 
>of all thought forms, or negative concepts from the past.  Hang in 
>there!  I am feeling more balanced already today, and more 
>comfortable with myself. 
>
 
I like a lot the above piece of beauty. Thanks for sharing it :-)
 
Freda: 
You seem to have had some bad time. That for itself is also an  
experience. Maybe this helps... 
Think that it could have been worse. 
(Just a positive way to look at an negative experience for we all can  
choose how to react, positively or negatively, to such an expereince) 
Take care of yourself.
 
Love and Joy, 
Jose
 
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Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 04:49:41 PDT 
From: "Jose Arroyo" <jm_arroyoATnospamhotmail.com> 
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com 
Subject: Re: (no subject)*street sense* 
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>me. Okay, I am a whimp! I prefere to blend into the woodwork, I speak a
 
No, you are not!
 
>friendly hello to anyone I pass - first - I don't wait for them to  
speak
 
This is beautiful *smile*
 
>I think there IS something to be said for *bad vibes* I see this with 
>dogs and cats, that I can pass an animal repeatedly night after night 
>with no problem if I am in good spirits,, but I have learned to be 
>stand-offish with them if I am feeling out of sorts... they pick up on 
>this and it makes them nervous.. they get defesive. People are the same
 
I have experienced this myself with dogs. When I am radiating *good  
vibes* there is no fear at all and probably they 'read' this kind of  
energy.
 
>BTW I dont think this is a blame the victim attitude, it may sound 
>whippy, but in 43 years I have been assulted 2x's both by women, both  
of
 
It doesn't sound whippy to me. 
Does one has to prove something to the world? It takes much more "guts"  
to be a peaceful warrior and approach people with a smile, a hug or a  
kiss than approaching them in a defensive and possible aggresive way.
 
>them highly sensitive, socially victimized... and neither time did I 
>have the wit about me to defend myself,,, the thoughts in my head both 
>times were of "why?" and neither time could I find reason to retaliate 
>either during the incidents or later, and in hind sight have been glad  
I 
>didn't.
 
Beautiful. You are a peaceful "warrior". :-) 
The peaceful warrior walks around and shares and gets love from (most  
of) the people he/she relates to. The love makes you strong. 
While the armed warrior will be always on the defense and may sometimes  
even attack someone with no reason. This kind of warrior attracts  
negativity, fear. The arms is a source of the weakness.
 
>I don't wish to change myself to accomadate the violence in the world  
so
 
You don't have to. The way you are walking now you are diminishing 
the violence in the world instead of increasing it. (Even if it is by  
only one person. Others may follow your steps)
 
>I will just contiue to be myself, say hello, and stear clear of people 
>and 
>situations which make me feel uneasy.... and maybe take a friend along 
>when 
>I'm giving off bad vibes......... to keep my spirits up.  
>freda 
> 
> 
Way to go Freda! Beautiful intentions!
 
Love and Joy, 
Jose
 
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