1998/07/07 07:50
kundalini-l-d Digest V98 #499
kundalini-l-d Digest Volume 98 : Issue 499
Today's Topics:
Re: Voices [ Orea <oreaATnospamerols.com> ]
Re: Love by, me. [ "Wonderer" <mrtn74aATnospamprodigy.com> ]
Re: Light [ Angela Mary Broad <ambroadATnospamacs.ucal ]
Re: Voices [ DruoutATnospamaol.com ]
Re: Light [ "Paul West" <paulATnospamstationone.demon. ]
Re: Light [ "Wonderer" <mrtn74aATnospamprodigy.com> ]
Re: Love by, me. [ Mystress Angelique Serpent <serpent ]
Re: Voices [ Orea <oreaATnospamerols.com> ]
Re: Love by, me. [ "THOMAS SMITH" <WHITEKNIGHT11ATnospamprodi ]
Re: Valerie's Overwhelming Hate [ "jim privacy" <jprivacyATnospamhotmail.com ]
Re: Snake dream [ "jim privacy" <jprivacyATnospamhotmail.com ]
Re: Consciousness tree? [ "Jose Arroyo" <jm_arroyoATnospamhotmail.co ]
Re: kundalini-l-d Digest V98 #493 [ Fabricio Franco <fabfrancoATnospamrocketma ]
Re: Snake dream [ John Halonen <mtmindATnospamusa.net> ]
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Date: Mon, 6 Jul 1998 09:52:58 -0400
From: Orea <oreaATnospamerols.com>
To: Kundalini l list <kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com>
Subject: Re: Voices
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HI Hillary,
I've been thinking about crossroads, and ithas occurred to me that many of
the significant ones in my life are visible only in hindsight. It can be
as tiny as a few words spoken, or a decision to have hot dogs for dinner.
No bells ring, no alarms go off and yet your path has just taken on a new
direction.
As for "keep your eyes on the prize," that is one of my mottoes, you may
have seen it here. I probably got it from an inner voice. I am glad your
voice liked it! It is a lifesaver for me at times.
As for the voices, it depends on who they are. Some seem more like
friends, then there is a group that makes themselves available to clarify
things I don't understand. They told me there was no point in exchanging
names, as I would not likely be speaking to any one member enough to form a
relationship. The entity with the best fit would answer each question as
it came up.
One of the most important (to me) messages I got a number of years ago came
as I was drifting off into sleep one night. It was this: "God wants you to
be whole." Whoever it was repeated it over and over for ten or fifteen
minutes; it drove me nuts even though I realized they were only doing it to
be sure I would remember it the next morning! As I thought about it (and I
had ten or fifteen minutes right off the bat to think about it!) I realized
that if God wants us to be whole, the only thing standing between ourselves
and wholeness was...us. "All" we have to do is get out of our own way.
Blessings,
Orea
Date: Mon, 6 Jul 1998 10:32:37 -0400
From: "Wonderer" <mrtn74aATnospamprodigy.com>
To: "THOMAS SMITH" <WHITEKNIGHT11ATnospamprodigy.net>,
"Paul Torres" <island_11ATnospamhotmail.com>
Cc: <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Re: Love by, me.
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Thinking about this love, I remembered the words from the John Denver
song, "You fill up my senses, like a night in the forest". Once,
when asked to describe this feeling of love, I was at a loss for
words to describe it because it could be felt by my sense of taste,
smell, and touch. It looked like rays of colored light. I finally
said the love was like caramel candy flowing upwards through me and
out to the universe. I regarded that pure love as being "flavored"
with my personal touch and then being sent out to all corners of
creation. In that way, I personalized that universal love, much as I
personalize the love I feel now for my son (as his mother), or my
husband, etc.
I felt then, and will agree that the source of this love is
"universal", or what we may think of as God.
I am interested in the Reiki Healing Sessions. Do they "fill up the
senses" as I described?
Cathy
****************
>Cathy wrote:
>
>> This love is released through the heart. It becomes
>>"your" love, pouring out through the universe. This is the
greatest
>>and most intense pleasure I have ever known.
>>
>>Cathy
>>
>snip
>
>This reminds me of Reiki Healing sessions...while placing hands-on,
one
>feels the energy of Unconditional Love...This Love is Universal not
mine or
>"yours" but All That Is...which includes each an everyone of us.
But, one
>must be openly aware to feel it. <S>
>
>And yes Cathy, kundalini practised correctly with an awakened
partner has
>the same feeling also...unconditionally.
>
>Namaste'
>Tom
>Westchester County, NY
>
Date: Mon, 6 Jul 1998 11:24:43 -0600 (MDT)
From: Angela Mary Broad <ambroadATnospamacs.ucalgary.ca>
To: Paul West <paulATnospamstationone.demon.co.uk>
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com, kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: Light
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Guys...I think....he's getting it...
WHOOOOHOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :) :) :)
I want to LOVE, I want to GIVE, I want to find another way to LIVE...
Let the WALLS come TUMBLing Down!!!!!
On 1 Jul 1998, Paul West wrote:
>
> Hi.
>
> I hope I don't sound too overjoyous, but isn't it the most seriously
> spiritual and enlightening experience when you suddenly and for the
> first and last time catch sight of something that you have always
> assumed only to immediately see without interpretation or comment that
> it is constructed of pointlessness and deception and is a /complete/
> mistake with /absolutely/ no reason for being there?
>
> <cue usual personal example-story>
>
> All of my life there has been a desire to please other people, to keep
> them happy. Always I have strived to keep them happy. I have always
> believed that it was necessary and safe to avoid unpleasantness in
> others at all costs, to kind of worship them. So intense has always
> been my desire to please others, I would put all of my own feelings
> aside even if they were intense (and they are), and would not want to
> appear weak.
>
> Yesterday in one of these sudden illuminations, I saw for the very
> first time in my life (and I really do mean that), in an instant, the
> whole "got to keep others happy" thing. I saw there to be /absolutely/
> no link between that attitude (and everything it entails) and the
> actual, real person I was aiming it at. None at all. Totally distinct.
> Detatched.
>
> There was some example person just standing there, and in front of
> `him' in a distinct, enclosed package, was this entire worshipping
> thing. And the instant of seeing it was to see its true nature. And
> all I saw there was a really silly mistake, a total pointlessness.
> Just a structure, a blob, and it was unnecessary. There was no reason
> for it. My entire life I had spent assuming it was an inherant part of
> reality, that it was something I had to strive for, and the right way
> to be. But here it was, utterly pointless, utterly unjustified and
> uncalled for. In fact, it was the most serious feeling that people did
> not in any way /deserve/ it! I think that works both ways. They do not
> deserve it in the sense that they are not as good as I make them out
> to be, and in the sense that it is in a way an offensive thing for my
> own benefit.
>
> That state of light, of sudden illumination, really is like someone
> switching a light on. Suddenly it's "Oh my god, how could I...". This
> kind of experience is, for me, the most genuine occurence of
> spirituality and reality. It may not be as complete as what I suspect
> will be an observation of the uncalled-for actions of having not loved
> myself for all my life, but it is the only thing I know to be a true
> moment of revelation, of /revealing/. And it is so shocking that it is
> the first time you have EVER seen such a thing. The entire foundation
> of a major chunk of your reality suddenly shown to be totally
> unfounded.
>
> I wonder what it might be like to be in that state of immediate
> beginning and end, first time and last time, eternally, where all you
> see is that everything is useless except love.
>
>
> --
> Paul.
>
> IRC: #amiga, Dalnet: #blitz
> WWW: http://www.stationone.demon.co.uk
> E-M: paulATnospamstationone.demon.co.uk
>
>
Date: Mon, 6 Jul 1998 13:39:34 EDT
From: DruoutATnospamaol.com
To: oreaATnospamerols.com, kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Voices
Message-ID: <d0135c65.35a10bd7ATnospamaol.com>
In a message dated 98-07-06 09:44:40 EDT, you write:
<< As for "keep your eyes on the prize," that is one of my mottoes, you may
have seen it here. I probably got it from an inner voice. I am glad your
voice liked it! It is a lifesaver for me at times.
>>
Dear Orea,
This is very interesting! Just shows how susceptible I must be to suggestion.
It's so easy to feel our experience is unique! :))
Thanks for all of you who responded. The voices are so compelling, that it's
hard to believe that it is really the self who is speaking. I see more and
more evidence that my voices are products of my reading.
Love, Hillary
Date: 6 Jul 98 18:52:02 +0000
From: "Paul West" <paulATnospamstationone.demon.co.uk>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Light
Message-Id: <35A11CD2.MD-0.196.paulATnospamstationone.demon.co.uk>
Angela Mary Broad,
> Guys...I think....he's getting it...
>
> WHOOOOHOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :) :) :)
>
> I want to LOVE, I want to GIVE, I want to find another way to LIVE...
> Let the WALLS come TUMBLing Down!!!!!
Hmm. Well, it's a rollercoaster. Bottom of a hill at the moment.
I think that walls are in fact ego's observations of the places where
its continuum stops. More of a chasm than a wall, the points where the
mirror behind the continuum reflects back the blockage of the
continuum itself. There are no walls, there are only pockets of
spacetime. But I may be wrong.
Someone slap me for f***s sake.
--
Paul.
IRC: #amiga, Dalnet: #blitz
WWW: http://www.stationone.demon.co.uk
E-M: paulATnospamstationone.demon.co.uk
Date: Mon, 6 Jul 1998 16:25:29 -0400
From: "Wonderer" <mrtn74aATnospamprodigy.com>
To: "Paul West" <paulATnospamstationone.demon.co.uk>, <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Re: Light
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There are no walls, there are only pockets of
>spacetime. But I may be wrong.
>
>Someone slap me for f***s sake.
>
>--
>Paul.
>
Dear Paul,
Your intellect is taking over again. Remember that time is a
man-made concept. There is no time, no past and no future, only NOW.
It is always Now. The motions of change cause the illusion of time.
Your mind's proper role in this is to reflect on the truths you
observe, not to try to figure them out from scratch! Take it easy,
breathe, and just let your spirit fill you in on what you really need
to know next. Be passive. Then, when inspiration does flow, watch
your mind take the bit and run like a wild horse with it. When that
happens and it gets stale, tell it to chill.
Been there too, too often.
Cathy
Date: Tue, 07 Jul 1998 13:42:04 -0700
From: Mystress Angelique Serpent <serpentATnospamdomin8rex.com>
To: Wonderer <mrtn74aATnospamProdigy.com>
Cc: Paul Torres <island_11ATnospamhotmail.com>, kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com,
jm_arroyoATnospamhotmail.com
Subject: Re: Love by, me.
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Yeah, the beauty of it all, the teary laughter joy recognition of the
amazing miraculousness.
Yeah, words don't do it well.. but it is art to keep trying.. bad art
sometimes, but ya gotta watch out for those judgments, eh? The misty smiles
come from suspending the judgment of ego vision to see the wondrous
perfection. sigh. Yummy.
Blessings, Mystress.
At 02:52 PM 05/07/98 -0700, Wonderer wrote:
>Paul,
>
>Love is something I am learning to feel in this life. <....> It becomes
>"your" love, pouring out through the universe. This is the greatest
>and most intense pleasure I have ever known.
>
>Cathy
>
>
>
Date: Mon, 6 Jul 1998 18:59:11 -0400
From: Orea <oreaATnospamerols.com>
To: Kundalini l list <kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com>
Subject: Re: Voices
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>Dear Orea,
>
>This is very interesting! Just shows how susceptible I must be to suggestion.
>It's so easy to feel our experience is unique! :))
>
>Thanks for all of you who responded. The voices are so compelling, that it's
>hard to believe that it is really the self who is speaking. I see more and
>more evidence that my voices are products of my reading.
>
>Love, Hillary
Hi Hillary,
I suppose we are all more susceptible than we might like to think. But the
fact that some things are stored and used later subconsciously is
intriguing in itself.
:-)
Orea
Date: Mon, 6 Jul 1998 20:23:47 -0400
From: "THOMAS SMITH" <WHITEKNIGHT11ATnospamprodigy.net>
To: "Wonderer" <mrtn74aATnospamprodigy.com>, "Paul Torres" <island_11ATnospamhotmail.com>
Cc: <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Re: Love by, me.
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>I am interested in the Reiki Healing Sessions. Do they "fill up the
>senses" as I described?
>
>Cathy
snip
Fill up the senses? I would not express it as "filling up" but opening up,
not only ones physical senses but also ones Inner senses. <S>
Namaste'
Tom
Date: Mon, 06 Jul 1998 17:24:36 PDT
From: "jim privacy" <jprivacyATnospamhotmail.com>
To: madammumATnospamptialaska.net
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Valerie's Overwhelming Hate
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Dear Valerie:
Sorry I'm so late in responding. Maybe the crisis is already over?
I've also gone through periods of intense loathing. I hated everything
and everyone, even me. Then hated myself for being hateful. Didn't make
any sense to me, either.
The rest of this reply is going to have to be theoretical, not
experience-based. Sorry if it comes off as artificial or intellectual.
I guess the only thing to do is allow the hate to come up. Stop saying
"I'm not the kind of person who" or "this feels illegal." Stop trying to
deny it. Stop feeling *guilty* about feeling *hateful*. You don't have
to add another layer of thoughts and felings *about* your feelings. Just
sit still and feel them.
No drama, no battle, just accept these feelings as your own. Doesn't
make you a less spiritual person. Try accepting yourself *in spite of*
your hatefulness. Love yourself just like you'd love your daughter in
the middle of a temper tantrum!
I think if you fight it, it will take longer to run its course.
I don't know what it means, but I'd guess that you have to practice
loving your hate instead of hating your hate. I'm not trying to be
cryptic. Try to practice loving that least lovable part of yourself,
this hateful emotion. Accept your hate instead of rejecting it.
That's all I can come up with. Hope something here was helpful.
Love you, all of you, even your hate. -Jim
>Date: Wed, 01 Jul 1998 23:16:03 -0800
>From: valerie cooper <madammumATnospamptialaska.net>
>
>Right now, in my heart, I HATE everybody, & I know I'm 'off kilter'.
>And- it just ain't right.
<snip>
>Every experience I have
>just strengthens this faux conviction, & I fear I am reeling into a
>black hole of contempt & unfounded hate. I even *hate* me.
>I am feeling *hate*. I am admitting it because I still do not believe
>*who I am* has the capacity to *hate*, so I am very worried.
>Still, I cannot process this *hate* - I feel it is illegal, & only
>through admitting it might there be some help.
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Date: Mon, 06 Jul 1998 17:41:30 PDT
From: "jim privacy" <jprivacyATnospamhotmail.com>
To: NancyATnospamwtp.net
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Snake dream
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Nancy wrote:
>Seems like snake dreams are recurring for me...not sure if anyone else
also has these. Are these another symptom of kundalini?
*** That's what I've read, anyway. Common dream is to get bit by a
snake. Supposed to be good luck if, in the dream, the snake is a Cobra
and you get bit on middle finger of right hand. I wouldn't make that up.
>My latest snake dream happened two nights ago. I remember three key
>fragments to the dream...
>
>First fragment:
>Someone (another woman?) is holding a rattlesnake by the neck. I am
>standing directly across from her, but I am not afraid. She knows what
she is doing and is teaching me how to hold the snake without getting
bit.
>
>Second fragment:
>I am with this man I know. We're hugging and kissing in a nurturing
way. [Note: In "real" life this man and I had a falling out several
weeks ago.]
>
>Third fragment:
>I'm having oral sex with another woman. I am not homosexual and realize
this in the dream and wonder what the hell I'm doing with this nameless,
faceless woman.
>
>I feel that the three fragments of this dream are linked together and
>are trying to convey an important spiritual message. Though I have some
ideas on the individual fragments, I'm not picking up on the overall
message. Any feedback is appreciated.
>
>Thanks,
>Nancy
Dear Nancy:
I don't know much about dream interpretation. But the first thing that
came to mind was that, by learning to "handle" the k energy, you would
learn to love others and love yourself. That may be oversimplified, but
it ties the 3 fragments together in 1 message.
Or, it may be that you will learn to love men and women equally, in case
you currently have more trouble with one sex vs. the other.
You may be receiving instruction in handling k from an outside person or
you may get inner guidance. The former boyfriend is just a symbol of a
happy loving relationship, IMO. The same-sex oral sex could just be a
symbol for self love, not literally lesbianism.
Hope this is helpful. Love, -Jim
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Date: Tue, 07 Jul 1998 06:17:26 PDT
From: "Jose Arroyo" <jm_arroyoATnospamhotmail.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Consciousness tree?
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> Just a point for someone to think about, what if life is just
>furthering the ego, and true death is relinquish of ego, therefore, as
>the leaf falls, and disintegrates back into the ground, it loses its
>individuality, and forgoes ego to become part of the beautiful cycle
>again as yet another vital part of the fragile ecosystem of life.
> As the leaf is absorbed into the ground, and then into the tree, it
>then is shown, in the minutest detail, the whole innerworkings of the
>tree, until it becomes another leaf with a history of the whole of
>consciousness of the tree. As a leaf, it inherintly knows, from the
>path it has traveled, the truths about the consciousness tree.
>
This is a very beautiful piece of wisdom. Thank you.
Is the human being much different than the leaf that 'thinks' of
surviving on its own? How foolish to think even that!
Yet the leaf does not want to be separated by the tree for it knows that
everything is a Divine game of Life. Human beings, 'know' better... Is
this the reason we struggle so much with ourselves?
For if one knows it better how is it that we hit so many times the same
wall?
>Paul Torres
>P.S.
>About a minute ago I was trying to think of why everyone was talking
>about trees and leaves, I thought I had mistakenly signed up on a
nature
>mailing list.
>
How many different ways are there to talk about a subject/object and yet
the subject/object remains unchanged? :-)
Love and Joy,
Jose
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Date: Tue, 07 Jul 1998 09:38:50 -0400
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I had a variation where There was a cobra in a cave, shadows all around.
More than a cobra is all I knew. It was going to attack me, and I became a
mongoose. I don't recall the rest.
Later I then dreamt that since I knew the cobra's weakness to be the mongoose,
I could become the cobra, knowing it's weakness and using that to my
advantage.
Still not sure of the entire meaning.
Love to all
John Halonen
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