1998/07/06 02:16
kundalini-l-d Digest V98 #498
kundalini-l-d Digest Volume 98 : Issue 498
Today's Topics:
voodoo/voudoun [ "Sharon Webb" <shawebbATnospamyhc.edu> ]
4th July [ "Paul West" <paulATnospamstationone.demon. ]
Voices [ DruoutATnospamaol.com ]
Dream [ PShaw86324ATnospamaol.com ]
Re: Lucid Dreams [ Wonderer <mrtn74aATnospamProdigy.com> ]
lucid dreams [ Wonderer <mrtn74aATnospamProdigy.com> ]
Re: 4th July [ Orea <oreaATnospamerols.com> ]
Re: lucid dreams [ Orea <oreaATnospamerols.com> ]
Re: Book Club [ Wonderer <mrtn74aATnospamProdigy.com> ]
Re: 4th July [ Wonderer <mrtn74aATnospamProdigy.com> ]
Re: Love by, me. [ Wonderer <mrtn74aATnospamProdigy.com> ]
The Continuum [ Mark Anthony Collins <themacmanATnospamear ]
Re: The Continuum [ Mark Anthony Collins <themacmanATnospamear ]
Re: Love by, me. [ "THOMAS SMITH" <WHITEKNIGHT11ATnospamprodi ]
Re: Voices [ David Bozzi <david.bozziATnospamsnet.net> ]
Re: lucid dreams [ David Bozzi <david.bozziATnospamsnet.net> ]
vision/faces [ "frans" <fransATnospamtelebyte.nl> ]
computers-male or female?? [ b bah <happyhunaATnospamyahoo.com> ]
Re: Voices [ "Paul West" <paulATnospamstationone.demon. ]
re: your yawning while driveing [ "b bah" <happyhunaATnospamhotmail.com> ]
Unidentified subject! [ "Paul Torres" <island_11ATnospamhotmail.co ]
Date: Sun, 5 Jul 1998 01:34:47 -0400
From: "Sharon Webb" <shawebbATnospamyhc.edu>
To: <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: voodoo/voudoun
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Hi,
I will be doing an article for Eye On the Web's Philosophy and Religion page
on Voodoo, and I would like to ask anyone who might have personal
experiences with this religion to please contact me if you would like to
share. If you do, please answer directly to me rather than the list as this
is off topic.
I volunteered for the assignment because I want to see the article done
right. Far too many articles on voodoo are sensational, irreverent, and
superficial. Although the article would be quite short (about 1000 words)
due to the constraints of space, I would like to do it with as much depth as
possible. I told the editor that I have been very interested in the
religion for a long time and would approach the subject with deep respect.
Thanks,
Sharon
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Date: 5 Jul 98 15:34:14 +0000
From: "Paul West" <paulATnospamstationone.demon.co.uk>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: 4th July
Message-Id: <359F9CF6.MD-0.196.paulATnospamstationone.demon.co.uk>
Hi.
I have noticed that things have been VERY quiet all over the place the
past couple of days. I saw a few mentions of it being 4th July. Being
in England I don't know much about it. Is it what you far-westerners
call "Thanksgiving"? I understand it's quite a big celebration for a
lot of people, which would explain why mail traffic and even traffic
in other aspects of the net have ground to almost a complete halt.
Anyway, if this is the reason, and if I am correct in that 4th of July
is thanksgiving (or some other celebration), then many happy returns
and...er.. thankyou. :)
--
Paul.
IRC: #amiga, Dalnet: #blitz
WWW: http://www.stationone.demon.co.uk
E-M: paulATnospamstationone.demon.co.uk
Date: Sun, 5 Jul 1998 14:10:35 EDT
From: DruoutATnospamaol.com
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Voices
Message-ID: <b6fe0c83.359fc19cATnospamaol.com>
Dear List,
Since it's relatively quiet, I have a general question for those of us who are
"guided" by "voices."
Two nights ago I woke with the thought "this is a crossroads"
I have no idea what this refers to, as my life right now seems lacking in
dilemmas.
Sometime before that my "voice" said "keep your eye on the prize"
I guess that is self explanatory!
My question is, although these voices are commonly referred to as Guides, or
Higher hearing, or voices from a higher power, I wonder how others actually
catagorize them. Do you feel them a part of "Self" or do you feel the
presence from outside self.
P.S. Please, Paul, as a personal favor, don't reply to this until July 7 if
you plan to respond. Thanks
Thanks for any feedback,
Love, Hillary
Date: Sun, 5 Jul 1998 14:21:30 EDT
From: PShaw86324ATnospamaol.com
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Dream
Message-ID: <64b19d93.359fc42bATnospamaol.com>
I had a weird dream last night. I was paralyzed by the electric force I
sometimes feel in my back, but it was racing all over my body. I dreamt I got
up to try to "escape" it and I passed by a mirror. There were two other me's,
one was dancing. I tried to catch her but she flew away. The other me was
waiting by the bathroom door and disappeared as soon as I got there.
Any feedback?
Liz
Date: Sun, 05 Jul 1998 13:32:40 -0700
From: Wonderer <mrtn74aATnospamProdigy.com>
To: david.bozziATnospamsnet.net
CC: Kundalini <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Re: Lucid Dreams
Message-ID: <359FE2E8.5587ATnospamProdigy.com>
> Wonderer wrote: (It is forbidden to)...
> try to force them to think any way they do not want to think.
David Bozzi wrote:
Is this possible?I am responsible for what I see...
David
I only know "It is forbidden". However, that doesn't stop some people
from trying to force others to conform to their ways, and
beliefs. You will learn at your own pace.
Cathy
Date: Sun, 05 Jul 1998 14:08:39 -0700
From: Wonderer <mrtn74aATnospamProdigy.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: lucid dreams
Message-ID: <359FEB57.69E8ATnospamProdigy.com>
Hi all,
I am trying to live my day now as a lucid dream. To me this means remembering that
these experiences are just another type of dream. I'm finding this makes it easier to
get through the day, because I'm not getting upset as easily, or losing my cool. Of
course, this would likely depend on the degree of negativity I am experiencing. But
stuff that normally would make me blow up is making me laugh and just handle it. I am
also becoming kinder to others and more generous to my neighbors. I am remembering to
just be myself, and not let transient events shake my center.
I'll share my take on this reality:
1. This physical dream, in the realm of cause and effect, just works differently than
dreams on the inner plane. Change here only works in one direction, forward: Birth
and Death are permanent changes here. It is still always now; time just has a stronger
sense of illusion here because of the cause and effect nature of physical change.
2. Our emotional and mental bodies are much heavier, and the weight of our emotions
and thoughts are so strong, they cause us to forget ourselves. "Coming here" exposes
our weaknesses, giving us an opportunity to see our flaws and improve (if we choose).
3. This 3D experience is not necessary for personalities evolved enough to embrace
learning and growth without the unending promptings of cause and effect. For the rest
of us, this world entices us like the sweet aroma of a beautiful flower. We draw so
near to experience the flower. We lose all sense of self, and then are bitten back by
the bee sting of this reality.
I would love to hear your thoughts as well.
Cathy
Date: Sun, 5 Jul 1998 15:21:12 -0400
From: Orea <oreaATnospamerols.com>
To: Kundalini l list <kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com>
Subject: Re: 4th July
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>Hi.
>
>I have noticed that things have been VERY quiet all over the place the
>past couple of days. I saw a few mentions of it being 4th July. Being
>in England I don't know much about it. Is it what you far-westerners
>call "Thanksgiving"? I understand it's quite a big celebration for a
>lot of people, which would explain why mail traffic and even traffic
>in other aspects of the net have ground to almost a complete halt.
>
>Anyway, if this is the reason, and if I am correct in that 4th of July
>is thanksgiving (or some other celebration), then many happy returns
>and...er.. thankyou. :)
>
>--
>Paul.
HI Paul,
The fourth of July is the day we celebrate the signing of the Declaration
of Independence. From Britain. No hard feelings! People tend to have
picnics, barbecues, and watch fireworks at night.
We celebrate Thanksgiving on the third Thursday of November, Canadians do
it earlier, in October I think. Think of it as a harvest festival.
I heard elsewhere that the first two weeks of July are the most popular
vacation time as well. So it is quiet for more than one reason.
Love, Orea
Date: Sun, 5 Jul 1998 15:26:48 -0400
From: Orea <oreaATnospamerols.com>
To: Kundalini l list <kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com>
Subject: Re: lucid dreams
Message-Id: <v04011704b1c58398dd62ATnospam[207.172.146.116]>
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It makes a lot of sense to me, Cathy. I think it is definnitely worth
exploring. I hope you will keep us posted.
Blessings,
Orea
Date: Sun, 05 Jul 1998 14:36:28 -0700
From: Wonderer <mrtn74aATnospamProdigy.com>
To: PShaw86324ATnospamaol.com
CC: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Book Club
Message-ID: <359FF1DC.F14ATnospamProdigy.com>
PShaw86324ATnospamaol.com wrote:
>
> Is anyone interested in starting a "Book" club, where different people could
> buy different books of interest, and pass info on to others? I have found I
> am interested in reading many books, but can only afford a few.
>
> Liz
Hi Liz,
That sounds interesting to me. We could discuss those books we may have
already read too. Sometimes, I'm not sure if a book I'm interested in is
worth buying, and I only have so much cash and time for reading to spare.
Cathy
Cathy
Date: Sun, 05 Jul 1998 14:42:57 -0700
From: Wonderer <mrtn74aATnospamProdigy.com>
To: Paul West <paulATnospamstationone.demon.co.uk>
CC: Kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: 4th July
Message-ID: <359FF361.7FB9ATnospamProdigy.com>
Hi Paul,
Are you joking? The 4th of July is America's Independence Day. That is
the day America's Declaration of Independence was signed, after its
Revolutionary War against Great Britain.
Some stuff that goes on on July 4th:
Flags are flown, Barbecues, Night time fireworks, and of course the
Yankees are required to win their baseball game. To that end, the umps
are sometimes paid off.
Cathy
New York, USA
Cathy
Paul West wrote:
>
> Hi.
>
> I have noticed that things have been VERY quiet all over the place the
> past couple of days. I saw a few mentions of it being 4th July. Being
> in England I don't know much about it. Is it what you far-westerners
> call "Thanksgiving"? I understand it's quite a big celebration for a
> lot of people, which would explain why mail traffic and even traffic
> in other aspects of the net have ground to almost a complete halt.
>
> Anyway, if this is the reason, and if I am correct in that 4th of July
> is thanksgiving (or some other celebration), then many happy returns
> and...er.. thankyou. :)
>
> --
> Paul.
>
> IRC: #amiga, Dalnet: #blitz
> WWW: http://www.stationone.demon.co.uk
> E-M: paulATnospamstationone.demon.co.uk
Date: Sun, 05 Jul 1998 14:52:25 -0700
From: Wonderer <mrtn74aATnospamProdigy.com>
To: Paul Torres <island_11ATnospamhotmail.com>
CC: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com, jm_arroyoATnospamhotmail.com
Subject: Re: Love by, me.
Message-ID: <359FF599.5E4BATnospamProdigy.com>
Paul Torres wrote:
>
> When I experience love, I get to a point where I just want to cry at
> the beauty and completeness that I feel at that moment. If I were to
> feel this all of the time, I would be rendered incompetant
Snip...
Paul,
Love is something I am learning to feel in this life. How have you
gotten so in touch with it? I think it is part of my dharma, to feel the
love in creation. There is a place, where I was before being incarnated,
where one could stand and feel love rise through them, like a torrent of
kundalini energy. This love is released through the heart. It becomes
"your" love, pouring out through the universe. This is the greatest
and most intense pleasure I have ever known.
Cathy
Date: Sun, 05 Jul 1998 17:08:32 +0000
From: Mark Anthony Collins <themacmanATnospamearthlink.net>
To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: The Continuum
Message-ID: <359FB310.F0029E39ATnospamearthlink.net>
I have just started a new site, called "The Continuum: The Online Community
For Messiahs In Training".
Please feel free to visit, submit, and give me feedback on the site and content.
Oh, and BTW...
God loves you!
(He told me so!)
Rev. Mark Anthony Collins
themacmanATnospammacsrule.com
Date: Sun, 05 Jul 1998 17:35:07 +0000
From: Mark Anthony Collins <themacmanATnospamearthlink.net>
To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: The Continuum
Message-ID: <359FB94C.12E8C30DATnospamearthlink.net>
Oops! I forgot the URL to The Continuum! (D'oh!)
http://home.earthlink.net/~themacman/thecontinuum/
Sorry...
Mark A. Collins
Date: Sun, 5 Jul 1998 18:32:01 -0400
From: "THOMAS SMITH" <WHITEKNIGHT11ATnospamprodigy.net>
To: "Wonderer" <mrtn74aATnospamProdigy.com>, "Paul Torres" <island_11ATnospamhotmail.com>
Cc: <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>, <jm_arroyoATnospamhotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Love by, me.
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Cathy wrote:
> This love is released through the heart. It becomes
>"your" love, pouring out through the universe. This is the greatest
>and most intense pleasure I have ever known.
>
>Cathy
>
snip
This reminds me of Reiki Healing sessions...while placing hands-on, one
feels the energy of Unconditional Love...This Love is Universal not mine or
"yours" but All That Is...which includes each an everyone of us. But, one
must be openly aware to feel it. <S>
And yes Cathy, kundalini practised correctly with an awakened partner has
the same feeling also...unconditionally.
Namaste'
Tom
Westchester County, NY
Date: Sun, 05 Jul 1998 16:59:59 -0400
From: David Bozzi <david.bozziATnospamsnet.net>
To: Kundalini <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Re: Voices
Message-ID: <359FE94F.975E5529ATnospammail.snet.net>
DruoutATnospamaol.com wrote:
> My question is, although these voices are commonly referred to as Guides, or
> Higher hearing, or voices from a higher power, I wonder how others actually
> catagorize them. Do you feel them a part of "Self" or do you feel the
> presence from outside self.
They're from within. (there is no 'out there'.)Don't take them seriously. (even if
they give you the correct answer on a test.)
How do you feel the people in life?
Outside yourself?
Or part of Self.
Perception is a reflection of Us.
Date: Sun, 05 Jul 1998 17:06:49 -0400
From: David Bozzi <david.bozziATnospamsnet.net>
To: Kundalini <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Re: lucid dreams
Message-ID: <359FEAE9.7F7FDD96ATnospammail.snet.net>
Wonderer wrote:
> I am trying to live my day now as a lucid dream. To me this means remembering that
> these experiences are just another type of dream. (snip) I am remembering to
> just be myself, and not let transient events shake my center.
What's the 'secret' ingredient of lucid dreaming?Awareness.
Life is meditation.
(Remember)
Date: Mon, 6 Jul 1998 00:53:26 +100
From: "frans" <fransATnospamtelebyte.nl>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: vision/faces
Message-Id: <199807052248.AAA27387ATnospamdegas.telebyte.nl>
Hello folks, this week i had a vision while meditating. (In the
train home from work...) I saw a woman, aged about 30 i'd say. Red
hair (colored?, there was something peculiair with the hair), blue
eyes, snow white skin with tiny spots. Grey-ish sweater (t-shirt?),
closed high around the neck. The memory is fading now. And i
wonder what these faces mean, this is about the 6-th time or so the
last half year that a face pops up. They only last for a fraction of
a second, comments? Frans.
Date: Sun, 5 Jul 1998 16:14:02 -0700 (PDT)
From: b bah <happyhunaATnospamyahoo.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: computers-male or female??
Message-ID: <19980705231402.6682.rocketmailATnospamsend1b.yahoomail.com>
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goes", or "She's listing to starboard, Captain!"). Recently, a group
of computer scientists (all males)announced that computers should also
be referred to asbeing female.
Their reasons for drawing this conclusion follow:
Five reasons to believe computers are female:
1. No one but the Creator understands their internal logic.
2. The native language they use to communicate with other computer
is incomprehensible to everyone else.
3. The message "Bad command or file name" is about as informative as,
"If you don't know why I'm mad at you, then I'm certainly not going to
tell you".
4. Even your smallest mistakes are stored in long-term memory for
later retrieval.
5. As soon as you make a commitment to one, you find yourself
spending half your paycheck on accessories for it.
However, another group of computer scientists (all female)think that
computers should be referred to as if they were male. Their reasons
follow:
Five reasons to believe computers are male:
1. They have a lot of data, but are still clueless.
2. They are supposed to help you solve problems, but halfthe time
they are the problem.
3. As soon as you commit to one you realize that, if you had waited
a little longer, you could have obtained a better model.
4. In order to get their attention, you have to turn them on.
5. Big power surges knock them out for the rest of the night.
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Date: 5 Jul 98 19:29:52 +0000
From: "Paul West" <paulATnospamstationone.demon.co.uk>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Voices
Message-Id: <359FD430.MD-0.196.paulATnospamstationone.demon.co.uk>
> My question is, although these voices are commonly referred to as Guides, or
> Higher hearing, or voices from a higher power, I wonder how others actually
> catagorize them. Do you feel them a part of "Self" or do you feel the
> presence from outside self.
>
> P.S. Please, Paul, as a personal favor, don't reply to this until July 7 if
> you plan to respond. Thanks
Stubborn aren't I.
I have had some of these voices. Sometimes it is like being introduced
to somebody. Lots of `hello's. Once I woke to be told "hello" by a
very serious sounding female voice. I kind of viewed it as guides
introducing themselves. I had a bigger interest in higher planes in
the past but am maybe more skeptical about it now.
I did have a realisation once when thinking about higher self that it
and I were not seperate. I sort of equated with it, distinct but as a
part of it. And the part that I was, was not seperate of the rest of
the whole.. so I saw that it was still me. I recall there was some
kundalini excitement on realising this.
--
Paul.
IRC: #amiga, Dalnet: #blitz
WWW: http://www.stationone.demon.co.uk
E-M: paulATnospamstationone.demon.co.uk
Date: Sun, 05 Jul 1998 19:50:45 PDT
From: "b bah" <happyhunaATnospamhotmail.com>
To: island_11ATnospamhotmail.com
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: re: your yawning while driveing
Message-ID: <19980706025045.8862.qmailATnospamhotmail.com>
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Hi,
I've noticed some "healers" yawn an awful lot while giving healings.
Most of them will say that they're releaseing energy. I've never asked
them, "what kind- negative, foreign, stuck, or similar to what they are
clearing ".
I also yawn mini-yawns to long/mouth-wideopen yawns while giveing
myself a chakra balanceing or healing/ I often do this while driving, as
this is one of the few places I have privacy. Thank God for automatic
transmissions, much easier to do this now. 'have to limit hand waving
whenbeside or passing a ten wheeler though!
Were you thinking about your guides or communicating with them
before you got in your car? Maybe they were invisible "back seat
drivers.
Aloha, barb
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Date: Mon, 06 Jul 1998 01:57:50 PDT
From: "Paul Torres" <island_11ATnospamhotmail.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Unidentified subject!
Message-ID: <19980706085750.28354.qmailATnospamhotmail.com>
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I am just wondering what some of the possibilities are for
interpreting this experience.
A few years ago I had my first memorable out of body experience, when
I got up out of bed, and turned around, and looked at myself sleeping.
I somehow knew inhereintly what I could and could not do. My room, and
the physical world looked similar, but kind of vague. I decided to walk
through my wall. I am on the second floor, so when I finally passed
totally through, I began to float gently to the ground. When I reached
the ground, I proceeded to walk out into the street. As I walked,
instead of following the dimensions of my yard, I began to float. I was
still moving my "legs" but I guess I really didn't need to. I noticed
that I could float when I walked over past the hill in my front yard,
and gravity did not pull me down. When I got to the middle of the
street I looked around, and then began to walk up hill, floating still.
I got two houses up when a car came down the street. It ran through me,
and I was jolted back into my body. I haven't been able to do much else
but reproduce the visualization of the event.
Tonight I couldn't fall asleep, and I had a headache. I decided to walk
down the street, and memories of the experienced flooded my head. I
felt hyper-aware, but psychically everything seemed to be hiding from
the questions that I was feeling. It felt as though I was in a world
where all of the shadows were watching me in fear(?). I then had a
strange thought that this may have been a preconcieved death for me.
This struck me hard, and I am not sure what to make of it. I am
looking for clues.
Thank you,
Experiential detective,
Paul Torres.
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