1998/06/29  10:00  
 kundalini-l-d Digest V98 #485 
  
kundalini-l-d Digest				Volume 98 : Issue 485
 
Today's Topics: 
  Unidentified subject!                 [ "Dan Margolis" <dmargolisATnospamabm.com> ] 
  Bizarro                               [ "Lobster" <lobsterATnospamdial.pipex.com> ] 
  Kundalini and Sirsasana               [ gilles.chauvinATnospamlemel.fr (gilles cha ] 
  Re: paul west                         [ Jasper B <japserATnospam ] 
  Delusion                              [ esther steinacher <esther.steinache ] 
  Re: Unidentified subject!             [ Rnegade34ATnospamaol.com ] 
  Are Chakras Real                      [ flute <fluteATnospamtexas.net> ] 
  Astrology and Kundalini               [ Tove Skurdal <toskurdaATnospamonline.no> ] 
  Re: Sacred Beetroot Technique         [ "Lobster" <lobsterATnospamdial.pipex.com> ] 
  Cloud control:                        [ "Lobster" <lobsterATnospamdial.pipex.com> ] 
  Re: Cloud control:                    [ "Dan Margolis" <dmargolisATnospamabm.com> ] 
  Bye                                   [ Danijel Turina <sinisa.turinaATnospamzg.te ] 
Date: Sun, 28 Jun 1998 22:08:03 -0700 
From: "Dan Margolis" <dmargolisATnospamabm.com> 
To: Mystress Angelique Serpent <serpentATnospamdomin8rex.com> 
cc: Lobster <lobsterATnospamdial.pipex.com>, 
 Kundalini - L <kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com> 
Subject: Unidentified subject! 
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Dan MargolisATnospamABM 
06/28/98 10:08 PM
 
>   Bizarro. Lobster, why can you not comprehend that the K-list is a 
> conversation and not a library? Why must you keep using bandwidth to post 
> items which you did not write, and do not even comment on?? What's yer 
point? 
>
 
Wake up on the bad side of the acid trip today?  It seems to me that you 
seem to 
be niggling over something that you would let pass if it were posted by 
someone 
else.  In fact these kind words were meant to have the exact opposite 
impact....
 
>   You have a wonderful large mailing list and website, can you not 
confine 
> your needs to play librarian to that space? Post in on your site, you can 
> get 400 hundred folks to read it that way, I'm sure.. but cut it out with 
> the (I'm yer Guru-what other folks need-Good intentions-path to hell) 
> repostings of philosophy, please.
 
Are you seriously worried that Lobster would be mistaken for a guru?
 
>   The point of spiritual evolution, it would seem, would be to learn to 
see 
> love in everything. You're a wise guy, you know that already.. 
>
 
But some people may need to have repeated over and over until they realize 
it...
 
>   My expectation of your response, is that you will reply with self 
> depreciating humor. 
>   Self depreciating humor does not equate with humility.. and it is not 
any 
> evidence of your openness underneath that shell.. but rather another 
mask.
 
Your absolutely right about this... I'm sure Lobster will eventually bring 
his 
attention to the fact that he often posts things about himself that are 
inaccurate, negative and that he doesn't truly believe...  For many people 
though, practicing humility over and over falsely and incorrectly until 
they 
actually attain it is the only option they have...
 
>   The other mask you wear most often, like in this post,  is hiding 
behind 
> the words of other writers rather than speaking from your own mind.
 
I do the same, because I feel that many other people have explained things 
far 
better than I ever have.  Finding the correct words whether they are my own 
 or 
somebody elses is what's important.
 
>   Another comedy style is to confess to all misdeeds without remorse or 
> hint of change.. (yes, I did it, I am a shithead, and I will probably do 
it 
> again tomorrow. I did these other things too.. You can hate me if you 
want, 
> I deserve it but love me anyways coz I am humble and open about my 
faults.) 
>    This is a very disarming strategy coz most folks expect to struggle to 
> be right, and it upsets their balance to be right immediately, and so 
they 
> are unlikely to press the point and seek you to change or be punished in 
> some way.
 
Unfortunately for you and the list Lobster isn't struggling to be right, to 
 do 
what others expect or want from him, he's struggling to be true.
 
I'll end with a story by someone else: 
Idries Shah in 'Thinkers of the East"
 
A Mornings Marketing
 
Bahaudin Naqshband one morning went into the great market of Bokhara with a 
 long 
pole.  He started to shout hoarsely until a crowd gathered, amazed at such 
behaviour from a man of his fame and dignity. 
    When hundreds of people had assembled, uncertain of what to think or 
do, 
Bahaudin took up his pole and started to overturn stalls until he was 
surrounded 
by piles of fruit and vegetables. 
    The Emir of Bokhara sent a representative to Bahaudin's house, to ask 
him to 
attend court immediately, to explain himself. 
    Bauhadin said: 
    'Let the doctors of law be present, the chief courtiers, the senior 
administrators, commanders of the army and the most important merchants of 
this 
town.' 
    The Emir, together with his advisers, concluded that Bahaudin had gone 
mad. 
Deciding to humour him until they could have him committed to the Abode of 
Health, the Emir and his court summoned the people named by Bahaudin. 
    When all were assembled, Bahaudin entered the audiencehall. 
    'You are no doubt aware, Your Presence Bahaudin,' said the Emir, 'why 
you are 
here.  And you know why the rest of us are here.  Please therefore say 
anything 
which you have to say.' 
    Bahaudin replied: 
    'Sublime Gateway to Wisdom!  It is known to all that a man's behaviour 
is 
always taken as an index of his value.  This has reached such a stage with 
us 
that a man has to do no more to gain acclaim and approval than to behave in 
 a 
certain manner, no matter what his inner state may be.  Conversely, if a 
man 
merley does something considered objectionable, he is regarded as being 
objectionable.' 
    The king said, 'We do not yet understand what you are attempting to 
teach.' 
    Bahaudin said, 'Every day, every hour, in every man, there are thoughts 
 and 
inadequacies which, if given vent to, would be illustrated by actions as 
damaging 
as my actions in the market-place.  My teaching is that these thoughts and 
shortcomings, due to insufficient understanding, are as damaging and 
retarding to 
the community and to the individual as if he were to behave in a rioutous 
manner--and more so.' 
    'What,' said the king, 'is the solution to this problem?' 
    'The solution,' said Bahaudin, 'is to realize that people must be 
improved 
inwardly, not just prevented by custom from showing their coarseness and 
destructivity, and applauded if they do not.' 
    The entire court was so impressed by this remarkable teaching, says the 
chronicler, that a public holiday of three days was announced, to enable 
the 
people to celebrate the receiving of such wisdom.
 
      Dan M.
 
note: the phrase wake up on the wrong side of the acid trip is personal and 
 does 
not imply drug use on the part of the Mistress only being unusually 
cranky... 
But haven't we all been cranky lately. 
Date: Mon, 29 Jun 1998 06:35:14 +0100 
From: "Lobster" <lobsterATnospamdial.pipex.com> 
To: "Kundalini - L" <kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com> 
Subject: Bizarro 
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>  Bizarro. Lobster, why can you not comprehend that the K-list is a 
>conversation and not a library? Why must you keep using bandwidth to post 
>items which you did not write, and do not even comment on?? What's yer 
point?
 
Hi Angelique, 
Obviously books don't talk to you. I am often found gibbering in libraries. 
Therefore the idea of conversation and libraries are not separate in my 
little Lobsterian mind. Some things don't need comment. They speak for 
themselves. My point is very simple. You are saying something. It has no 
purpose, no constructive use. It is just telling me what I know. So it seems 
that words that were static have created a converse. Now it might be that 
you wish to restrict my posting of what I consider relevant and say it must 
be to do with 'K'. That is fair comment and I would respect that as a valid 
admonishment. 
The point is occasionally the movement of shakti is triggered by someone 
raising a flower, quoting a poem or remaining silent. I would recommend 
silence to your good self on this occasion. Failing that you might amuse us 
with your fantasies of being enlightened, spiritual, witch of the month or 
whatever. I always read your posts as I find them entertaining and 
(fortunately) increasingly they show a developing maturity. However if your 
ego is let run riot people might think you run this forum or something . . .
 
>  You have a wonderful large mailing list and website, can you not confine 
>your needs to play librarian to that space? Post in on your site, you can 
>get 400 hundred folks to read it that way, I'm sure.. but cut it out with 
>the (I'm yer Guru-what other folks need-Good intentions-path to hell) 
>repostings of philosophy, please.
 
No. Please is not appropriate. I am quite happy to leave this list or to 
talk about 'K' if anyone can agree on what it is . . . In the meantime I 
will continue paving my path to hell with good intentions.
 
>  In any case, this poetry you find so important and worth sharing 
>obviously makes no sense.. God is All that is, and God is love, so love 
>must indeed be all of those negative things the poem listed.. whether we 
>interpret it thusly or not.. as the expressions of your very own crusty 
>self has shown on many occasions.  :)
 
Obviously makes no sense? Well what is obvious to Goddesses is not so 
obvious to mere mortals. Just because something does not make sense is no 
reason to believe it has no sense.
 
>  The point of spiritual evolution, it would seem, would be to learn to see 
>love in everything. You're a wise guy, you know that already..
 
No Angelique I do not know that. I do not see Love in aspects of behaviour 
and being. Or rather I see limited Love - that of course is partly 
semantics. 
Behaviour that restricts others behaviour or confines it, or tries to limit 
them or to collude in delusion is not loving. To see Love in everything does 
not mean 'everything goes', 'everything is OK', 'all behaviour is good' it 
means to understand causes and to see and transform into the higher 
perspective - and there is a higher. The higher is that which is 
unconditional Love, conditional and restrictive Love is part of the 
unconditional shining and can move towards it. One exists in the other but 
is not as complete as the other. So love is in everything but not as you 
understand that - complete. There are degrees and each person grows so that 
what was once seen as love is seen as limited and selfish and so they 
'increase in Love'.
 
>  So the point of this poem, it would seem, would be to affirm judgments 
>and stay stuck.
 
Would it? Perhaps it can also be used to see the limitations of thoughts 
expressed in words and used as a means to unsticking . . .
 
>  Seems like you were giving somebody else a hard time recently for exactly 
>that, eh? 
>  So what's yer point?
 
I do not need one - do you? If you need a point to my posting you are 
reading it.
 
>  My expectation of your response, is that you will reply with self 
>depreciating humour.
 
:-)
 
>  Self depreciating humor does not equate with humility.. and it is not any 
>evidence of your openness underneath that shell.. but rather another mask.
 
Agreed.
 
>  (shrug) in theatre we were taught to realize the power of the "happy-low 
>status" character in comedy.
 
>  Chaplin was a Master at it, so is Robin Williams. Jerry Lewis made an 
>entire career out of it. Such characters are very lovable, because there is 
>nothing to fear from them.
 
There is nothing for the spiritual in you or anyone to fear. 
I think you mistake me for a clown :-) However I spend my time in circuses 
to remind people who think that it is real that it is merely a charade.
 
 
>  Such a strategy engages without sparking resistance at status, so it does 
>not invoke suspicion of a closer look to notice that it is a mask.... and 
>being happy, it does not invoke resistance in the form of guilt and pity. 
>  Very smooth mask Lobster, very effective..
 
Of course it is effective. However as I keep saying to people they should be 
suspicious of my motives. I am.
 
>  The other mask you wear most often, like in this post,  is hiding behind 
>the words of other writers rather than speaking from your own mind.
 
Angelique I appreciate you are an expert on masks but the reason for posting 
ready made words is that I do not have to write what has been expressed 
adequately elsewhere and says what I want to say. Of course I am as (a 
Lobster) not displaying genuine characteristics. People demand to 'know the 
truth' and then say 'why isn't it nice'. Well it may be - it may not be. I 
would much prefer to say to people, 'everything is divine - you are perfect 
and you are heading to godhood'.  That is true. It however does not *serve 
the truth* - there is a big difference. Some people need such reassurance 
and many people provide that and have the benefit of being appreciated as 
'caring' - I do not interfere with this required service.
 
>  Which is something else you accused someone of doing recently.. parroting 
>spiritual teachings. You are better coz you credit the original author? 
>Funny guy.. so does he.. :)
 
Paul will never get anywhere because he thinks there is nowhere to go and he 
is already in some way there. However whereas there is nothing of spiritual 
value in Paul *for Paul*, there is a great deal of value in his effect and 
interaction with this list. I have spent months with him. I have even 
attempted on-line exorcism :-) He has developed no genuine understanding. He 
has gained absolutely nothing, made no attempt to change (except in 
superficilities). Do you think it gives me any pleasure to describe someones 
spiritual potential as zero? It does not and until now I had never believed 
there were such people though I was aware that (they are supposed) to exist. 
    Now because people have read that 'the humble and spiritual never judge 
others' and never say they know what the truth is, they judge me and though 
they do not know the truth, they know it sufficiently to know it is not 
present in me . . . LOL.
 
>  Another comedy style is to confess to all misdeeds without remorse or 
>hint of change.. (yes, I did it, I am a shithead, and I will probably do it 
>again tomorrow. I did these other things too.. You can hate me if you want, 
>I deserve it but love me anyways coz I am humble and open about my faults.) 
>   This is a very disarming strategy coz most folks expect to struggle to 
>be right, and it upsets their balance to be right immediately, and so they 
>are unlikely to press the point and seek you to change or be punished in 
>some way.
 
Angelique you are judging my motives by your standards. I have to maintain a 
balance between telling people the truth as I know it and being acceptable 
to them. If I always told them the truth about how useless, deluded, self 
motivated and so on they were they would simply reject me. So I compromise 
in order to say what needs to be said. Now as I said your posts show more 
insight and less nonsense. However that is very difficult for you to accept 
as a compliment because it implies that I know two aspects of your persona - 
the real and the imaginary. However we all have these aspects . . . 
The truth is sometimes hurtful. Delusion is delightful. Fantasy would be 
wonderful if it were true. This is why people escape into lunacy. However 
when people get to a point of maturity in which they can see the necessity 
of having their limitations exposed - they have no problem with this. They 
welcome it. You 
have vested interests in maintaining fantasy, it is part of your 
methodology. At some point you will have to give up games and 'play' to a 
different tune. You will then start to expose people for their benefit and I 
feel you have attempted this here and that is a good thing . . .
 
>  Verrrry slippery, Lobster. 
>  So it is apparent to me, in your disapproval of Paul West, that you are 
>speaking of yourself.. and I know that you know it also.
 
Angelique when I speak about anything or anyone it is *only* because these 
tendencies are in me that I can see them. I know of my tendency towards 
limited and trivial thinking masquerading as the sublime. I know you because 
your grandiose schemes, your fantasies are all part of my tendencies. 
Equally you see through my masks because you wear them. The thing is what 
can you do for me? How can you develop my spirituality? I do not disapprove 
of Paul or you or anyone. There is nothing in any person that I am not 
capable of being or doing.
 
>  What I am wondering, is whether you plan to take your own advice, and 
>stop posting until you can change yourself enough to be real? ? 
>     Wondering, but without expectations... Mystress.
 
I only post what is real. As well as I am able. Paul West does the same. So 
do you. Now if you are interested in being real . . . No Angelique you 
really set yourself up too easily . . . Mystress Angelique Serpent (Goddess) 
advises on being real . . . LOL . . . No I will be sticking with this 
pantomime for the time being . . . I enjoy being here.
 
Be Well 
SatGuru Swami Performing Lobster
 
Lobster Web Pages: http://ds.dial.pipex.com/town/park/gcn23/ 
YinYana Buddhism, Alchemy, Sufism, Time Travel, Satanism and String 
Yam?I AM Web site: http://dspace.dial.pipex.com/town/park/gcn23/iam/iam.html 
Date: Mon, 29 Jun 1998 11:05:12 +0200 (MET DST) 
From: gilles.chauvinATnospamlemel.fr (gilles chauvin) 
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com 
Subject: Kundalini and Sirsasana 
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The Kundalini going up through the chakras to the top of the skull, what is  
the effect of Sirsasana on it.
 
Gilles 
Date: Mon, 29 Jun 1998 11:19:44 +0200 (MDT) 
From: Jasper B <japserATnospamsgan06.win.tue.nl> 
To: paulATnospamstationone.demon.co.uk (Paul West) 
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com (k) 
Subject: Re: paul west 
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Paul West said: 
>  
> I could leave permanently if I wanted to. [snip]
 
Dear Paul,
 
I dare you, 
I double dare you.
 
You cannot leave! Please do a thought 
experiment about leaving this list and be aware of what behaviour (emotion, 
thoughts) then occurs.
 
Love, 
Japs 
Date: Mon, 29 Jun 1998 22:02:59 +0500 
From: esther steinacher <esther.steinacherATnospamxtra.co.nz> 
To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com 
Subject: Delusion 
Message-ID: <3597C8C3.6A13ATnospamxtra.co.nz> 
 
Question: 
if a delusion becomes a reality is it still a delusion ? or  delusional  
reality evolving into reality,huh lost on this one,maybe its all a  
delusion.    good luck           
     Earle 
Date: Mon, 29 Jun 1998 06:42:33 EDT 
From: Rnegade34ATnospamaol.com 
To: dmargolisATnospamabm.com, serpentATnospamdomin8rex.com 
Cc: lobsterATnospamdial.pipex.com, kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com 
Subject: Re: Unidentified subject! 
Message-ID: <96c4e06.35976f9aATnospamaol.com> 
 
Hi All, 
 
I need to be removed from your mailing list at this time......
 
Thank you,
 
LovePassion 
Mark 
Date: Mon, 29 Jun 1998 08:15:07 -0500 
From: flute <fluteATnospamtexas.net> 
To: "kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com" <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com> 
Subject: Are Chakras Real 
Message-ID: <3597935B.34EATnospamtexas.net> 
 
What do you define as reality?  Isn't what is real only associated with 
the experience and awareness of the individual's reality. So what is not 
real for you might very well be real for someone else. So I cannot tell 
you what is true for you.. as you cannot tell me what is true for me. 
In the medical field.. there are actually increased energy areas in the 
positions that were named Major Chakras..  
And it would make perfect sense that an organ in the endocrine system 
would affect the overall mental/emotional thought process.  Doing Reiki 
on the organs/chakra's seems to increase the seratonin (prozak) in a 
person's body thereby making the body relaxed and more receptive. 
The interesting thing I have noticed is that when I work with the 
chakra's the colors that have been recognized by others appear and seem 
to be flowing.. If the area is not functioning correctly, I find the 
colors mutated or different.. Also the energy patterns that I can feel 
with my hands will be different in areas of discomfort.. Or in the case 
of a chakra not balanced.. a possible cold spot that seems to pull the 
energy from my hands and within a short time that cold spot changes to a 
warm subtle energy.  I usually break out in a sweat as well.. which 
makes perfect sense to me.  
Energy can be observed by light and or heat (check your house).  Basic 
energy 101..or for another Basic Energy 101 read James Redfield's 
Celestine Prophecy. 
giggling 
Flute 
Reiki Master Teacher 
Empathic Healer 
Mystic 
Date: Mon, 29 Jun 1998 15:25:45 +0200 
From: Tove Skurdal <toskurdaATnospamonline.no> 
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com 
Subject: Astrology and Kundalini 
Message-ID: <359795D8.5212ATnospamonline.no> 
 
I believe Pluto has something to do with this Kundaliniexperience. 
But to find out, it would be very interesting to have the birthdate of 
as many as possible of you. I am a member of an astrologyunion and we 
could try to make a little research on this. 
So if you will partisipate, please send me your birthdate to my e-mail 
address and write the birthdate as the subject so it will be easy for me 
to find them among all the others from the list. If you know the hour 
you were born it is fine but not necessary. Write like this example: 
29.06.98 23.10 
Regards from Norway 
--  
- Tove Skurdal 
Date: Mon, 29 Jun 1998 07:05:51 +0100 
From: "Lobster" <lobsterATnospamdial.pipex.com> 
To: "Kundalini - L" <kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com>, 
 "jim privacy" <jprivacyATnospamhotmail.com> 
Subject: Re: Sacred Beetroot Technique 
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>>Hi Jim, 
>>Glad you are here. I would recommend that you place a large beetroot on 
>your head and go about your worldly tasks with this reminder of 
>spirituality - the awareness required to maintain balance. I hope this 
>is the kind of suggestion you require. 
>> 
>>Be Well 
>>Unqualified Lobster 
>>(beetroot in place) 
>> 
> 
>Does it have to be an *organically grown* beetroot? And do I have to 
>place it over the 5th eye or Crown Chakra? Is there a beetroot pill I 
>can take instead? I want the 90 days to Enlightenment Guaranteed pill 
>version. I just know that if I can get the technique down right, I won't 
>have to worry about intention. If I can spend enough money on enough 
>books and seminars (and beetroots!) I can get Enlightenment and still 
>hang onto my limited useless concepts of who I think I am. It's a plan, 
>anyway. 
> 
>Thanks Lobster, my newfound crustacean friend. I'll follow your helpful 
>suggestion. Let you know when I achieve that inner "Buddha-like beetroot 
>balance."
 
Hi Jim, 
Ahhh . . . you wish for the quick root . . . er . . . route. 
The beat route is one of attitude. You must be hip, cool and know it. It is 
round not square etc etc. Enough already. 
If only more people understood my advice in the way it was meant they would 
not have to spend so much time achieving such a ridiculous act of primary 
balance. I was very sorry to hear that you have a concept of being someone. 
I too have this delusion. What in your experience is the best way to 
alleviate this condition (forgetting the beetroot now as it has served its 
purpose)? Perhaps you might describe some of the insights that you have 
gained and how these apply to 'k'?
 
Be Well 
Lobster 
Date: Mon, 29 Jun 1998 13:15:54 +0100 
From: "Lobster" <lobsterATnospamdial.pipex.com> 
To: "Kundalini - L" <kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com>, 
 "Dan Margolis" <dmargolisATnospamabm.com> 
Subject: Cloud control:  
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>Dan MargolisATnospamABM
 
>Are you seriously worried that Lobster would be mistaken for a guru?
 
Exactly so. I can not even train my own Guru . . . 
Last week I went with Swami Harish (Guru in training) on a Holy Pilgrimage 
to 
the Wimbledon Tennis Championships. The Guru wisely pointed out that 
anything 
one does with respect and genuine Love becomes a Holy Act. My unworthy 
thoughts (may the great Gods of Serpent Heaven forgive me) were that he just 
enjoyed tennis - it was just an excuse. 
At one point it looked like rain. I pointed out that a SatGuru could effect 
the weather. In the sort of off-hand ordinary way that HH Swami Harish has 
he turned his palm up at the storm clouds and said you mean 'juz like that'. 
His Divine Grace ensured that no rain fell on Wimbledon to interrupt play. 
It rained about 11 PM and through the night. Coincidence? Shaktiput? Divine 
Grace? I think we all know the truth . . .
 
>Your absolutely right about this... I'm sure Lobster will eventually bring 
>his 
>attention to the fact that he often posts things about himself that are 
>inaccurate, negative and that he doesn't truly believe...  For many people 
>though, practising humility over and over falsely and incorrectly until 
>they 
>actually attain it is the only option they have...
 
First of all I am a very, very, VERY humble person. I wish I was more humble 
(I am sure that is possible). 
You mean to say that when I speak * I LIE * This cannot be. This is 
impossible [Lobster goes into shock and has a long lie down] Oh well I have 
thought about this . . . and I concede it may . . . and I say may . . . just 
may, mind you . . . be true. Some people know this - *I am exposed*. And I 
thought I only ever spoke the truth - *shucks*. 
The truth is I am arrogant, egotistical, prone to delusion and so on. I have 
as much chance of being a Guru as of being a . . . a . . . Lobster. See - 
that was real sneaky LOL.
 
Think. 
How are people going to differentiate the real from the false? By being 
exposed to both and using their inner discernment. How are people going to 
learn kindness? By being exposed to harshness and having to find gentleness. 
'Thank you very much' - we can learn this without your help Lobster.' 
Can you? Do so! Help me to do so . . . 
The reason I am here is because this is a place of transition. Some people 
are for the first time exposed to experiences they do not understand and 
aspects of themselves which are strange to them.
 
>    'The solution,' said Bahaudin, 'is to realize that people must be 
>improved 
>inwardly, not just prevented by custom from showing their coarseness and 
>destructivity, and applauded if they do not.'
 
Be Well 
Failed Guru and Lying Lobster 
Date: Mon, 29 Jun 1998 10:05:12 -0700 
From: "Dan Margolis" <dmargolisATnospamabm.com> 
To: "Lobster" <lobsterATnospamdial.pipex.com> 
cc: "Kundalini - L" <kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com> 
Subject: Re: Cloud control: 
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Dan MargolisATnospamABM 
06/29/98 10:05 AM
 
 
 
>First of all I am a very, very, VERY humble person. I wish I was more 
humble 
>(I am sure that is possible). 
>You mean to say that when I speak * I LIE * This cannot be. This is 
>impossible [Lobster goes into shock and has a long lie down] Oh well I 
have 
>thought about this . . . and I concede it may . . . and I say may . . . 
just 
>may, mind you . . . be true. Some people know this - *I am exposed*. And I 
>thought I only ever spoke the truth - *shucks*. 
>The truth is I am arrogant, egotistical, prone to delusion and so on. I 
have 
>as much chance of being a Guru as of being a . . . a . . . Lobster. See - 
>that was real sneaky LOL.
 
You should be proud of how humble you are lobster...  I am humbled by the 
great words of the lobster...  In fact I'm so humbled I must be more humble 
than you...  WOOHOO I'm the humblest...  ooops that was arrogant.  I guess 
I'm really just an arrogant fool... But that was a humble statement... Oh 
I'm humble now....  But not too humble because that would be arrogant... 
Ah I'm at just the right level of humility.  I've got it down.  I need no 
words from Lobster...  Ooops that was pretty egotistical... But goshdarnit 
I'm trying so hard...
 
 The ever humble or ever arrogant 
      Dan M. 
Date: Mon, 29 Jun 1998 18:53:05 +0200 
From: Danijel Turina <sinisa.turinaATnospamzg.tel.hr> 
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Subject: Bye 
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Hi everybody! :) 
I am going to India on Wednesday, early in the morning - heading for the 
Prashanti Nilayam asram, to visit my guru maharaja, Bhagavan Sri Sathya Sai 
Baba. I will be there for one month - the return flight is scheduled for 
3rd of August, so I'm unsubscribing from the list for that time. Since my 
father (Sinisa Turina) is going to use this address during that time, I am 
switching my address to dturinaATnospamgeocities.com  
Take care, and may all of you dwell in love! :)
 
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