1998/06/26 10:46
kundalini-l-d Digest V98 #479
kundalini-l-d Digest Volume 98 : Issue 479
Today's Topics:
Re: . [ rod sandcones <galerosATnospamthorazine.ne ]
Re: Loss and Acceptance [ WEIVODAATnospamaol.com ]
Re: How? [ "Orea de Sa' Hana" <oreaATnospamerols.com> ]
Re: Loss and Acceptance [ WEIVODAATnospamaol.com ]
Re: your close friend's passing [ WEIVODAATnospamaol.com ]
Re: Loss and Acceptance [ "Dan Margolis" <dmargolisATnospamabm.com> ]
Re: Loss and Acceptance [ TAvalon <TAvalonATnospamtexas.net> ]
paul west [ "Dan Margolis" <dmargolisATnospamabm.com> ]
Re: Loss and Acceptance [ sassiATnospamworldnet.att.net (Jack) ]
Re: Loss and Acceptance [ Harsha1MTMATnospamaol.com ]
Re: Loss and Acceptance [ "Wonderer" <mrtn74aATnospamprodigy.com> ]
Re: Loss and Acceptance [ "janpa tsomo" <j_tsomoATnospamhotmail.com> ]
Re: HOW APPAULING! [ PShaw86324ATnospamaol.com ]
Date: Fri, 26 Jun 1998 08:55:54 -0400 (EDT)
From: rod sandcones <galerosATnospamthorazine.neuron.net>
To: Paul West <paulATnospamstationone.demon.co.uk>
cc: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com, kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: .
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Paul,
First, Paul you have to let go of the "blackness". It weighs yer heart
down. I read the following post by you, and it made me sad. It seems
like you are still lashing out at others, or feel the need to defend
yerself from something or other. You might try letting some light into
yer heart, it can do wonders for you. Let go of fear, and let in
understanding. Do you feel the warmth?Let it pervade every cell in your
body. And, yes, we are one , in essence, but that does not give any one
person license to disrespect others, which is what happens when someone
send s 10 posts a day to the list, and each post seems, in essence, to be
an ego stroking or defending affair. Even yer "nice" statements have
undertones of hate. Let the hate go, dood. And, to all who are cynical
of Paul changing and respecting the rest of the list, lighten up. I
always allow room for change. That was one thing I learnedthrough k,
anything is possible!
Peace, Love, Light, and Laughter,
Galeros
On 26 Jun 1998, Paul West wrote:
> Friends,
>
> Last night I unsubscribed from the list. I did not think I would
> return. Everything just got too much. Also last night BBC1 television
> screened a man dying. In hindsight there were a lot of
> synchronicities.
>
> But I did not see this coming (as is always the case)...
>
> I went to bed, slept, and dreampt.
>
> I was in some desolate, desert place with cactus' and a very dusty
> ground. It was hot and hazy. A herd of cattle and horses began a
> stampede towards me. There was a great state of panic. A man with a
> shotgun came near, he was the enemy and was trying to shoot down my
> friends. I tried to take hold of the barrel of his gun to point it
> back at him. This kind of worked. But then there was a kind of cult,
> and several members were trying to escape. We were on a hillside now.
>
> Some were shot and some fled. I snatched a jet-black handgun from
> somebody and began to shoot. I shot down several of the cult members.
> One woman fled over the hill and she was crazed, so I had to shoot
> her. The gun stopped being automatic. A voice from nowhere said "you
> have to use it manually now". The gun had no trigger. I searched and
> there was a pushbutton on the rear, and upon pressing it a bullet was
> fired. The bullets were black and they just appeared inside the
> target. The panic was dying down and everyone seemed contained. I
> stood and listened in on a conversation between a man and a boy.
>
> The boy then walked up the hill. From where we stood the hazy sky
> looked like the ocean. The hill was steep and looking to its summit
> made one feel close to the ocean. The boy looked nothing like me, he
> had black hair, but it was me. I had to follow him in case he tried to
> escape. He was adamant that the ocean was just beyond the hill. We got
> to the top and the ocean was indeed close but there was a field
> between us. He asserted that he could have it. He was my ego. Suddenly
> the horizon leapt into the distance and all that could be seen was
> countryside.
>
> The boy, me, then realised. He said words to the effect "I have wasted
> my whole life trying to chase the horizon. I can't believe I did
> that!". He was never going to do it again. The scene altered and I was
> now in bed, sitting up. The boy and I were one person. My forehead
> seemed so far forward it almost ached to burst. My body from shoulders
> upwards ignited with k massaging vibrations. They were very intense,
> but there was such /quality/. And I was having an emotion. It was
> practically undescribable. It was so deep, so selfless. It had such a
> quality about it, and was so intensely spritual. There was no need to
> do anything. I just sat there and it just happened and stayed
> happening for quite some time. As I was about to wonder if I should be
> stopping it now, the thought died away and the state continued. It was
> like nothing I had ever experienced in my whole life. It was so
> contemplative and deep. The young boy had shattered his reality.
>
> This is about where I `woke up'. In the following half hour or so,
> apart from recalling the event I had small episodes of k activity.
> Mostly in the same region. It was not just my crown chakra, it was my
> entire head, all the way through. The heart chakra raced and the brow
> chakra bubbled. Normal life seems so unfortunate now. I see a grim
> pointlessness in the life I am accustomed to.
>
> I now know why I delight at being close to the sea.
>
> Fondly,
>
> --
> Paul.
>
> IRC: #amiga, Dalnet: #blitz
> WWW: http://www.stationone.demon.co.uk
> E-M: paulATnospamstationone.demon.co.uk
>
Date: Fri, 26 Jun 1998 09:46:17 EDT
From: WEIVODAATnospamaol.com
To: AfperryATnospamaol.com, Kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Loss and Acceptance
Message-ID: <4d680c04.3593a62bATnospamaol.com>
In a message dated 98-06-26 05:34:37 EDT, you write:
<< And where does taking revenge come into spirituality? This is black magic
however justifed one may feel. Kristin, please ignore this advice! Try sending
love instead - difficult in the circumstances, but infinitely more powerful
and beneficial for all concerned. >>
I will try sending love. Its a hard one to do though when I have a great deal
of anger towards whom ever did it.
Kristin
Date: Fri, 26 Jun 1998 10:11:44 -0400
From: "Orea de Sa' Hana" <oreaATnospamerols.com>
To: UweJohannATnospamaol.com, kl List <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Re: How?
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Hi Uwe,
The limelight sounds like a very lonely place to be. I've never had that type of
experience, so I appreciate your sharing it with me.
Blessings,
Orea
UweJohannATnospamaol.com wrote:
> As an ex-rock-guitar-player I know, how it is to stay in the limelight.
> You are seen by everyone, but you can't see anyone, only yourself and your
> nearest environs.
>
> May be we are on stage, but sometimes it needs more courage only to listen
> to, realy listen.
>
> Love , sound and light
> Uwe
Date: Fri, 26 Jun 1998 10:54:06 EDT
From: WEIVODAATnospamaol.com
To: Kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Loss and Acceptance
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Subject: Re: Loss and Acceptance
Date: Fri, 26 Jun 1998 10:53:20 EDT
In a message dated 98-06-26 05:34:52 EDT, you write:
>....and I'm afraid you never will while you focus on the external, the fleshy
individual >that you see in front of you. But if you try to see life as a
school and people as >spirit/souls not bodies, learning lessons in each
successive incarnation, then you >will come to recognise the underlying
process.
I understand what you are saying, its very true, but I find it so hard to do
that though. All I can see is someone evil who took something great from me,
and killed my best friend. That is all I see right now, though later this may
change, but right now I have to much anger, and am to hurt. All I want right
now is my friend back. She was to young to die, and had to much to give to the
world. I will learn something from this, not sure what yet, but later I will
know. I have to get myself ready to go to the funeral, and do stuff like
that. I have long day ahead.
Kristin
Date: Fri, 26 Jun 1998 11:12:39 EDT
From: WEIVODAATnospamaol.com
To: happyhunaATnospamhotmail.com, Kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: your close friend's passing
Message-ID: <1880c26.3593ba88ATnospamaol.com>
In a message dated 98-06-26 06:17:25 EDT, you write:
>I just read your post about your friend. it's 2:38 am in california now,
>if you lived near me i would offer to come right over and hug you, and
>try to ease the pain. some occurences are so painful
>, shattering. we try to think of ways they might have been prevented.
Where do you live in Ca? I live at Lake Tahoe. You do not know how much I have
thought about if I could have prevented this, what if I was at her house, what
if...I have a long list of that.
>There's a book you should read if you haven't already. written by a
>minister after the death of his young son, "When Bad Things Happen to
>Good People", at least i think thats the name. it's also on
>VCR tape, have forgotten author's name Harry k- ---ner(?).
I have read the book many times. It's a great book.
I am falling apart today. You should see me today, I look like death. I was
not ready to let my friend go, I am still not, but I have to, I have no
choice. Okay...I gotta go and get somethings ready, and help out my friends
parents.
Kristin
Date: Fri, 26 Jun 1998 09:27:10 -0700
From: "Dan Margolis" <dmargolisATnospamabm.com>
To: WEIVODAATnospamaol.com
cc: Kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Loss and Acceptance
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Dan MargolisATnospamABM
06/26/98 09:27 AM
WEIVODAATnospamaol.com wrote:
Okay . . . Today I lost a friend who I have know since I was five. She
was
raped and beaten to death, in her own house. I have been trying to
accept my
feelings for all of this, and accept that she is gone, and I can do
nothing
but remember all the memories in which we shared. I am not sure, all I
know is
that I am falling apart.
Don't accept it. Scream, howl, cry, yell. It isn't right. It isn't fair.
Don't look for a way to deal with this. Don't mince around and accept
condolences... Don't put on a brave face, or rationalize via past lives or
karma. It hurts... Let it hurt. Let it all fall apart...
Dan M.
Date: Fri, 26 Jun 1998 11:35:45 -0500
From: TAvalon <TAvalonATnospamtexas.net>
To: madammumATnospamptialaska.net
CC: WEIVODAATnospamaol.com, Kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Loss and Acceptance
Message-ID: <3593CDE1.95307866ATnospamtexas.net>
I too used to have difficulty with the bad things happening to good
people. The thought that occurred to me that helped was that perhaps
these souls chose to die to help someone or someones around them.
Probably not in an obvious way that we could point to and say, yea
that's why this happened. To use the painful example that Kristin gave -
perhaps she died so that the person who did it would be removed from
society, thereby saving ten other young women from the same fate. Or
perhaps her mother needed to face such grief to grow spiritually or her
sister needed it to face her rage and again to grow spiritually. Or some
other obscurity that we can't fathom.
I know this walks a fine line towards blaming the victim. But I really
don't mean that. In fact, its my opinion that this empowers the victim.
And maybe, just maybe, it makes the horrifying death just a little more
acceptable, eventually.
Kristin, my sympathy and thoughts are with you and all those affected by
this person's death. Your friend went through a hellish experience. I am
so glad that's over for her and that she now gets the wondrous
opportunity to experience the next part of her life.
Blessings,
Terri Avalon
valerie cooper wrote:
>
> WEIVODAATnospamaol.com wrote:
> >
> > Okay . . . Today I lost a friend who I have know since I was five. She was
> > raped and beaten to death, in her own house. I have been trying to accept my
> > feelings for all of this, and accept that she is gone, and I can do nothing
> > but remember all the memories in which we shared. I am not sure, all I know is
> > that I am falling apart.
> >
> > This has thrown me all off balance; meditation, yoga, mentally, just
> > everything. I cannot do a thing. I feel almost paralyzed. I tried some
> > grounding, centering, nothing. My flow of K energy has ceased. I do though
> > feel a blockage around my heart charka sometimes. I have tried to clear it,
> > but I am getting nothing from it.
> >
> > I am not sure anymore, just as thought I was reaching the peak, I fall back
> > down. What a roller coaster, I guess.
>
> How can we, as a support group, ever hope to cope with deaths;
> especially brutal deaths?
> I - for one - have read "Why Bad Things Happen To Good People" over &
> over & over. No answers anyway.
> I keep thinkin maybe a 'past life regression' might explain these
> things. But - then, again - I'm not invested that such a 'regression'
> would mean a thing.
> *Frickin sumbitchin CRAP!* -
> what else can anybody say???
> vc
> ps (my condolances. I KNOW how you must feel. Shine the light from the
> third chakra (heart) upwards.
> MAKE it work, #1 !
> God/ess BLESS us all!)
> vc
> ************************
> Things are more like they are today than they ever have been before.
> Valerie Cooper * http://geocities.com/SoHo/7982/
Date: Fri, 26 Jun 1998 09:52:51 -0700
From: "Dan Margolis" <dmargolisATnospamabm.com>
To: serpentATnospamdomin8rex.com
cc: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: paul west
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Dan MargolisATnospamABM
06/26/98 09:52 AM
Dear Ms. Serpent,
It has become apparant to me, and maybe to other list members, that
Paul West at this point is detrimental to the list. He seems to have no
ability to listen to what people are saying to him and to modify his
behavior based on suggestions from the group. This is one of the
fundamental requirements to any spiritual progress, whether it is k-related
or not. If you ignored the Goddess when she approached you through others
or through yourself,, you would be very unhappy right now.
I would sincerely request that you unsubscribe him, because at this
point he doesn't seem capable of learning.
Dan M.
_____
A teacher had an intractable student who showed no capacity to learn. He
was disruptive during the meditations, exercises, and lectures and was
becoming a detriment to the other students. However this student was very
eager and continued his disruptions.
The student finally approached the teacher because he was dismayed at his
lack of spiritual progress. He asked the teacher if there was any special
exercise he could do to advance.
The teacher replied, "I suggest you stop up your ears, and only think of
turnips."
"Should I do this during the meditations and exercises or after?"
"You should do this instead of attending the meditations and lectures."
____
Date: Fri, 26 Jun 1998 17:01:09 GMT
From: sassiATnospamworldnet.att.net (Jack)
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Cc: Hajeed <habATnospamtelekom.com.my>
Subject: Re: Loss and Acceptance
Message-ID: <3593cc2b.62036092ATnospammailhost.worldnet.att.net>
I have watched somebody who can produce the electrical power from his
hand from his Kundalini energy.
There is a way by concentration, mental and emotional will to direct
the electric inside you (can be up to 600 KV) to beat somebody else
from a very far distance if you clearly see the person and the person
is evil. Our inner energy can ONLY do good things. So it can be used
towards somebody who is really bad. Not to good people.
However, sad to say, I wish I could have the inner electrical power
and can travel out of my body.
Hajeed,
In my experience the electrical power (electromagnetic
vibrations at 7-10Hz) is a light energy of which the template soul
uses from an outside source rather than from within the body itself.
The so-called electrical power you see (usually a vibrating
blue with a white halo) coming from the hands is an extremely powerful
energy that, when matched in resonance with anothers' template soul or
spirit can be used for healing through touch or non-verbal
communication over distance.
As far as 'beating someone else from a distance' well,
resonance comes in milli-frequencies. You would have to match
resonance with that person and could very likely wind up being beaten
with your own energy. The most powerfull of which may cause a slight
headache.
All of us have this ability to match our 'spirit or soul
template resonance' to the Earths' electro-magnetic resonance. I'm not
sure what astral projection has to do with it, if anything at all.
But, recently I had the pleasure of a revelation. Being a
rather cynical individual and prone to dismiss most metaphysical and
spiritual philosophies, I never gave the Art of Astrology a second
thought. However, it was explained to me in scientific terms how the
alignment of the planets, the moon and the sun affects the Earths' van
Allen belt and in turn the planets electomagnetic radiations. Going
one step further, this alignment may have different effects upon the
human embryo depending upon this alignment at the time of conception.
Hence, astrological signs and individual charts.
So, do not give up Hope my friend. Try listening to :
Ten Solo Exercises for the Didjeridoo by David Hudson, while
meditating.
Please excuse me now. the UPS man just delivered my brand-new
Didjeridoo and I can't wait to make 'my own music'.
: )>
Jack
Date: Fri, 26 Jun 1998 13:15:10 EDT
From: Harsha1MTMATnospamaol.com
To: sassiATnospamworldnet.att.net, kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Cc: habATnospamtelekom.com.my
Subject: Re: Loss and Acceptance
Message-ID: <1c226520.3593d71fATnospamaol.com>
I wrote the following song in a mood of ecstacy inspired by the Gujrati poem,
"Maitri Bhavnu" written by Chitrabhanu Ji, one of spiritual leaders of
Jainism. Often people discuss the sadness and pain of their life on this list.
By holding the being of another in pure love, we may send healing on all
levels. This is a healing poem. May God bless every one.
THE SONG (PRAYER) OF MY HEART:
LET THIS FEELING NEVER PART!
The sacred stream of love divine
sweeter than the sweetest wine
flowing into this vast sunshine
springs eternal from my heart.
I pray no one should be left out
from life's blessings in their glory
and give way to tortured doubt
with unhappy endings to their story.
Never should they be turned away
who are suffering from the blows of life
the poor, the wretched of this world
caught helplessly in endless strife.
If ever anyone should be in need
of some comfort or help in getting up
let me not run away from them
but plant kindness as my living seed.
Let me give hope where there is despair
and mend hearts considered beyond repair
like the gentle ocean breeze that
heals all wounds and gives a fresh start
Let this feeling never part!
I should always find delight
in the warmth of universal light
but if my heart must bleed at all
let it be so in the dark of night.
No one should see the tears that come
when the wicked and cruel come in my sight
let this hand forever be raised in peace
and the violence around us come to cease.
Know that wrongs inflicted on one's brother
always come back to haunt the one,
who created the pain for the imagined other,
even mental arrows quickly find their mother.
But always this thought should be kept alive
that every sinner is a future saint
there should be a place for everyone
to swim in the pouring love divine
that flows eternal from my heart
Let this feeling never part!
Unaware, if someone is unkind
let forgiveness be on my mind
until no trace is left behind
of ill will, anger or hostility.
If I should ever slip and fall
and no one to catch me is around
let me come down gently like a leaf
so other life is unhurt on the ground.
If I have to lay for some time
contented should be my smile
composing songs of love and friendship
and resting all the while.
I will be picked up by love divine
which springs eternal in my heart
for all the beings everywhere
Let this feeling never part!
Sages have sung the song of friendship
walking with them and in their shoes
the same melody now plays on my lips
the feeling of reverence for life continues.
Involuntary poets, there have been many
who felt the thrill and saw the sign
whose hearts sang out in ecstasy
as their fountain bubbled with love divine.
The blessings of nature are bestowed
on those who are firm in their belief
who are harmless to others and easily bow
before anyone, seeing only divinity.
If I should be granted just one thing
let it be the vision of love
always rising from the spring
sacred and eternal in my heart
Let this feeling never part!
>>
Copyright 1994 Harsh K. Luthar (also known as Harsha, Harshadeva, Harshacharya
etc.)
In a message dated 98-02-16 00:37:22 EST, ric51ATnospamgeorge.lhi.net writes:
>
> << the point is some people are interested in speed
> granted, time is an illusion
> but shit happens
> and it happens in the context of time >>
>
> Harsha writes: But there are no magic solutions dear friend. Those who
offer
> them are themselves confused. There are no magic solutions; there is only
> Magic. See it Clearly in your own Self.
Date: Fri, 26 Jun 1998 13:24:09 -0400
From: "Wonderer" <mrtn74aATnospamprodigy.com>
To: <AfperryATnospamaol.com>, <WEIVODAATnospamaol.com>
Cc: <Kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Re: Loss and Acceptance
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Dear Alan,
Thank you for saying so succinctly what would only have sounded trite
if I had to put it in words.
Horror is still a tough one for me to deal with.
Note to Kristin: Sleeping helps in this situation, because you will
visit your friend on the inner plane (whether you remember this or
not) and you will comfort one another and gain inner peace and
understanding. Someone suggested astral projection, but I do not
know if you are capable of producing this at will. A lucid dream is
just as good in this case. The participants are real.
"i" am Sending Love and Healing Light to Kristin
Cathy
***************
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From: AfperryATnospamaol.com <AfperryATnospamaol.com>
To: WEIVODAATnospamaol.com <WEIVODAATnospamaol.com>
Cc: Kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com <Kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Date: Friday, June 26, 1998 5:36 AM
Subject: Re: Loss and Acceptance
>Dear Kristin,
>
>In a message dated 26/6/98 6:21:41 am, you wrote:
>
>>I have never understood
>>the concept of why things happen to good people.
>
>.....and I'm afraid you never will while you focus on the external,
the fleshy
>individual that you see in front of you. But if you try to see life
as a
>school and people as spirit/souls not bodies, learning lessons in
each
>successive incarnation, then you will come to recognise the
underlying
>process.
>
>Kristin, such things can only really be understood in terms of karma
and re-
>incarnation - a universal law of cause and effect. We create our own
reality
>through the workings of this cosmic principle. Karma is exact, it
cannot be
>otherwise, however difficult that may be to accept emotionally when
something
>awful happens like this. We need to take an objective, detached view
of the
>situation.
>
>What about the Holocaust, Hiroshima/Nagasaki, genocide in Africa,
ethnic
>cleansing in Bosnia? This is the same law on a larger scale. But
through the
>harsh lessons of our karma we learn to create a better life for
ourselves and
>others and ultimately this will lead us to universal love, peace and
wisdom
>i.e. back to Unity/God.
>
>We are the architects of circumstance, not its victims. So don't be
too
>demoralised. Many loving thoughts are with you and your friend.
>
>God bless,
>Alan
>
Date: Fri, 26 Jun 1998 10:41:18 PDT
From: "janpa tsomo" <j_tsomoATnospamhotmail.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com, sassiATnospamworldnet.att.net
Cc: habATnospamtelekom.com.my
Subject: Re: Loss and Acceptance
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beware what u wish 4
u may get it in time....
may all beings be happy & joined to the causes of true happiness,
may they be free of suffering & its causes
may they be filled with equanimity not holding some close & others afar
may we all reach the highest stages of perfection & peace...
maitri!,
--janpa
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Date: Fri, 26 Jun 1998 13:43:18 EDT
From: PShaw86324ATnospamaol.com
To: lobsterATnospamdial.pipex.com, kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: HOW APPAULING!
Message-ID: <ea867104.3593ddb7ATnospamaol.com>
You are wise, Sir Lobster
Liz
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