1998/06/25 10:38
kundalini-l-d Digest V98 #475
kundalini-l-d Digest Volume 98 : Issue 475
Today's Topics:
FWD: seeking advice [ "frans" <fransATnospamtelebyte.nl> ]
Re: Everything wants to live - Alpha [ "Orea de Sa' Hana" <oreaATnospamerols.com> ]
Re: Dreams, visions and symbols [ amckeonATnospamhsmail.nfld.k12.mn.us ]
RE: seeking advice [ "jb" <hc19436ATnospamautovia.com> ]
Re: Dreams, visions and symbols [ Harsha1MTMATnospamaol.com ]
Re: Sound Meditation [ "Wonderer" <mrtn74aATnospamprodigy.com> ]
Re: How? [ rod sandcones <galerosATnospamthorazine.ne ]
Re: Sound Meditation [ "Wonderer" <mrtn74aATnospamprodigy.com> ]
Re: How? [ Harsha1MTMATnospamaol.com ]
Re: How? [ "Paul West" <paulATnospamstationone.demon. ]
Mantras [ flute <fluteATnospamtexas.net> ]
Re: How? [ PaulisediATnospamaol.com ]
MYSTIC Stuffs [ flute <fluteATnospamtexas.net> ]
Re: awakening and Self- Realization [ Harsha1MTMATnospamaol.com ]
Re: How? [ "Dan Margolis" <dmargolisATnospamabm.com> ]
Re: How? [ "Wonderer" <mrtn74aATnospamprodigy.com> ]
Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 11:43:26 +100
From: "frans" <fransATnospamtelebyte.nl>
To: "k-list" <kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com>
Subject: FWD: seeking advice
Message-Id: <199806250938.LAA29411ATnospamdegas.telebyte.nl>
Hello All, i got this folowing letter via friends online, frome
someone seeking advice. I always say, join the k-list, but that's not
always working. Anyway i'm sure some of you could help this person,
the correspondence folows, his email adress is in it.
Thanks, frans.
Forwarded message:(1)
dear
I saw your e mail address in 'shared transformation, friends online'
list and i am turning to you for advice and help. My name is gabriel i
am 51 and had a kundalini awakning 16 years ago. for 9 monthes now i
suffer from kundalini crisis.this includs: numbness in my left side
and tingling sensasion in both my left foot (big tow) and left hand
(ulnar nerve area). and also blured vision in the peripheries of my
eyes. if you are able and willing to help i'll be more then glad to
send more details if needed.
thanks
gabriel
e mail: raamgATnospaminter.net.il
(2)As for your kind offer to join the maiking list, well I've tried
coupel of weeks ago and there was such a flud of stuff... that I had
to get out. but if your kind offer - to send my story anonymous, or
just with the name gabriel and my e mail, I'll be gratfuul. so here is
my story ( together with the previous one I sent you): "I am afraid my
case is not common. it isn't as if I am adjusting to a new kundaliny
awakening. the truth is that I never really adjusted. 16 years ago it
happened. and in the mornings I was meditating for long time, until my
system was stable with this powerful energy, but even so, I lived most
of the time as on an edge, and almost any coarse impression, or
aggressive shock - will cause the energy to be blocked, and my system
to sort of shut down, for a day or two. And so I carried on, for
wondwefull creative sweet 16 years. but deep inside I knew that one
day, one day, I'll get a shock that will damage the flow of kundaliny
in me. and it will be difficult to recover from it. and this happened
9 months ago, and I feel as though my life has stooped, and I am sort
of depressed.( I think that what has happened is that quiet a powerful
shock -blocked the flow of one of the tunnels of energy that spiral
along the shusmina canal, either the fingale or the ida). that is the
story, I tried many things (shiatzu, acupuncture, vitamins, m.r.i.
c.t. healing, reflexology - but nothing. I 'll wellcome any advice or
help".
all the best
warmth Gabriel
Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 06:24:22 -0400
From: "Orea de Sa' Hana" <oreaATnospamerols.com>
To: kl List <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Re: Everything wants to live - Alpha = Omega (was Re : Recreate Eden)
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Hi Matt,
I have seen a light similar to yours, only it was more magenta than
pure violet. It was with my physical eyes closed, seen with third or
maybe fifth eye.
Blessings,
Orea
Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 07:50:10 -0500
From: amckeonATnospamhsmail.nfld.k12.mn.us
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Dreams, visions and symbols
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>>amckeonATnospamhsmail.nfld.k12.mn.us wrote:
>>
>>*knock-knock.... Who's there?... Who's asking?...*
>
>Angelique:
>I am finding that happens all the time.. not much time to post these
>days, so I send my thoughts.. and somebody often types 'em up.. or are they
>my thoughts?? (shrug)
>
>David Bozzi:
>I almost sent that very post today.Thanx for getting around to it.
You're welcome :-)
>(whose reading whose mind?)
Your guess is as good as mine :-D
amckeon
(hoping the caffeine kicks in soon)
Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 14:00:15 +0100
From: "jb" <hc19436ATnospamautovia.com>
To: "frans" <fransATnospamtelebyte.nl>
Cc: "K. list" <kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com>
Subject: RE: seeking advice
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Gabriel wrote:
[...] the truth is that I never really adjusted. 16 years ago it
> happened. and in the mornings I was meditating for long time, until my
> system was stable with this powerful energy, but even so, I lived most
> of the time as on an edge, and almost any coarse impression, or
> aggressive shock - will cause the energy to be blocked, and my system
> to sort of shut down, for a day or two. And so I carried on, for
> wondwefull creative sweet 16 years. but deep inside I knew that one
> day, one day, I'll get a shock that will damage the flow of kundaliny
> in me. and it will be difficult to recover from it.
Jan:
It seems to me that your conclusion is incorrect. The block isn't caused by
coarse impressions or aggressive shock - it is something inside of you that
causes your system to react this way. So the block has been there for at
least 16 years; coarseness and aggressiveness will only activate it. I don't
know your practice of meditation, but it must have left the block for what
it is. The only way to remove the block is to address aggressiveness, to
find out what makes you aggressive and why, and to find out the "why" for
your reactions to aggressiveness from others. The same goes for coarse
impressions. Don't exclude events or impressions from childhood and youth
that were never fully assimilated.
Gabriel:
> (2)As for your kind offer to join the maiking list, well I've tried
> coupel of weeks ago and there was such a flud of stuff... that I had
> to get out. [...]
Jan:
This is another indication that you have been carrying the block with you
all the time. One of the symptoms of blocks is being vulnerable to
"information overload". With spontaneous K., the mind has to be addressed
properly in order to keep functioning in a balanced way. I can only point to
one of the methods - you will have to do the work. Suppose a big fellow is
yelling at you: " one more time and I'll process you into meatballs". The
fellow lives by himself. He (rightly) doesn't approve of your way of
driving. The sentence he shouted consists of mere words. They "live" in the
air. The meaning of these words lives in your mind. The way you're driving
lives in your mind too. It is possible to address the mind by reasoning
alone and transform harmful patters (here, the driving and the reaction to
the words) into patterns that will focus attention on Self. K. could be
called a healing Force. It heals from what some call the disease "ego". With
spontaneous K., often some extra medicines are required. The best medicine
is self-surrender.
Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 09:15:07 EDT
From: Harsha1MTMATnospamaol.com
To: amckeonATnospamhsmail.nfld.k12.mn.us, kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Dreams, visions and symbols
Message-ID: <95d65836.35924d5dATnospamaol.com>
In a message dated 6/23/1998 9:02:49 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
amckeonATnospamhsmail.nfld.k12.mn.us writes:
<< Harsha: I love that Song Lobster. It always puts me in Bhava Samadhi. Now
>Lawrence listen. Read the words of the Lobster carefully. Go through the
>Lobster Sutras and digest them. That is the true Sadhana. It may take you
>years. Do not feel cheap for advertising your book here. Others have done
it
>as well. But ask yourself if you can really do a good Elvis impersonation.
>If you cannot, then what does all your sadhana really mean? Have you learned
>anything?
Harsha Harsha Harsha.... (in a voice like Jan's from "The Brady Bunch") You
are such a hoot. Have you ever considered doing standup comedy? You and
Lobster could be the next Laurel and Hardy or Burns and Allen or Moore and
Cook or French and Saunders... The two of you are keeping me in stitches...
*ouch*
Harsha: Lobster and I are taking the show on the road in the Fall. The
previews have been good and the critics have been kind. For reservations
please contact Helga (Lobster's agent).
amckeon
*knock-knock.... Who's there?... Who's asking?...*
>>
Harsha: Why the need for a knock? There is no door.
Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 09:44:48 -0400
From: "Wonderer" <mrtn74aATnospamprodigy.com>
To: "Samuel Abebe" <sabebeATnospamrtinews.com>
Cc: "Kundalini list" <kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com>
Subject: Re: Sound Meditation
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Dear Samuel,
Thank you for all the information on the inner sound. I can only
sometimes hear the sound at will. However, meditation will often
bring it about. Perhaps the sound contains all the music of the
universe, but it sounds like a flat tone to me. I will try to
experience it more fully next time.
I sometimes correlate this with a vision of what looks like zillions
of atoms, with red and green molecules, spinning tightly about each
other. It is very hard to focus in close on any one pattern, but
sometimes I get a close glimpse. I've been seeing these since I was
a small child.
Any idea on what this is?
Thanks again!
Cathy
***************
Samuel wrote:
>Many scriptures make strong
>connection between the inner sound and the source. Some suggest
>that the sound and the source are one and the same. "In the
>beginning was the word, the word was with God and the world was
>God." In translation, "word" was used instead of "Logos"
Very true! How did I miss that one!
>There are three stages to the sound meditation.
>First one masters listening to it. This involves paying attention
and >trying
>to hear the sound until one is able to hear it at will.
>Second, the listing changes into feeling. One starts to feel it
>throughout
>the whole body.
>Finally, one merges with it. Not much can be said about that. To
>merge with it is to merge with the source.
snip
>The best thing to do of course is to find someone who is established
>in the sound current and hang around him or her. When you do this,
>a process of fine-tuning happens and you will start to hear the
>current more and more.
Do you know of any connection to a particular place or room that
helps one hear the sound?
>There are many benefits that came from listening to the sound
>current. A lot of healing (physical, mental and emotional) happens,
>the practitioner´s voice becomes soft and soothing. None linear kind
>of knowing starts to develop and etc, etc. These, however should not
>be the focus. The focus should always be awakening. The rest is a
>trap one way or another.
>May the Word be with you and bring you lots of fun!
Amen!
>Samuel
Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 10:17:29 -0400 (EDT)
From: rod sandcones <galerosATnospamthorazine.neuron.net>
To: Lobster <lobsterATnospamdial.pipex.com>
cc: Paul West <paulATnospamstationone.demon.co.uk>,
kundalini-1 <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>, kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: How?
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Easy, there, lobster,
On Thu, 25 Jun 1998, Lobster wrote:
> Rubbish!
> You are an egotist. You are a corrupting influence. To say that there is
> nothing wrong with that would be to allow falsity to masquerade as wisdom.
> That is why I constantly remind you - you are a fool - a jabbering monkey.
> When you shut up and listen, you start to hear - then you think you
> understand and back you go to your nonsense . . .
> There is nothing I can do about that. There is nothing you want to do about
> it. Therefore I will be labled 'cruel' and 'unkind' and people will find
> 'wisdom' in your words. That is the way of the world.
>
>
> And maybe it is perfectly alright
> >for there to remain all the so-called bad things of the world, without
> >their removal, at the same time as being enlightened, for the desire
> >to remove and to get rid of is not of enlightenment. When it comes,
> >when it happens, which is now, and always has been and always will be,
> >the chains of control have slipped away and there can still be an
> >ego-self. It's just that it might look different. And it may be
> >possible for the ego-self to view the world in an egotistical way, /at
> >the same time/ as the enlightened view. So discard not anything that
> >is said by anyone of any stature, because it all belongs to the whole.
>
>
> Rubbish. Spoken by a walking dustbin. You are just an accumulation of
> undigested knowledge. You steal from the words of the wise and corrupt them
> with lack of understanding.
> Know this PAUL WEST. You are not enlightened. You are not wise. You are not
> spiritual. You do not have wisdom.
> Now weep. I have nothing for you but tears.
>
> Sadly
> Lobster
>
>
I happen to hold much of the same perspective as you do, lobster. Paul
comes across as "thinking" he has all the answers, but it's more a
superficial second-hand knowledge. I'm new to the list, but have
experience with k.
I actually had a full-blown k-experience before I knew about k. But,
that's for another post. I've been lurking a lil to gauge others'
experiences to my own. What I have read is some a people parroting what
they have read with out a deeper understanding. Reading is good. Bt,
don't mistake the "map" for the "territory". The map is a "guide", but it
doesn't encompass the "real thing". This is all well and
good, they(some people) are trying to learn, but Paul comes across to me
as someone who feels he need learn no more, at least not from anyone else.
Listening is important! Speaking is , too! Seek the balance.
I say give Paul some time, though, he's ready to blossom, he just needs to
see the light.
BTW, ego is not necessarily bad. When balanced with non-ego, that is. It
gives one persepctive. Which is important, IMHO. So, I send Paul a
little bottle of non-ego to help him grow. We all get (t)here, some
sooner
than others and some later, but we all get (t)here.
Peace, Love and Light to ALL,
Galeros
Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 10:18:27 -0400
From: "Wonderer" <mrtn74aATnospamprodigy.com>
To: <UweJohannATnospamaol.com>, <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Re: Sound Meditation
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Dear Uwe,
You should write more often; you have a gifted style. I enjoyed your
post.
Good idea too about getting others involved. One of my co-workers
shows some promise; She is beginning to read more widely in this
area. I sent her a web page article yesterday, but I don't want to
push her interests along too fast, just to satisfy my need to talk to
someone.
Cathy
-----Original Message-----
From: UweJohannATnospamaol.com <UweJohannATnospamaol.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Date: Thursday, June 25, 1998 3:57 AM
Subject: Re: Sound Meditation
>Hello dear friends, hello Cathy,
>
><< It is so wonderful to have this group with which to discuss these
>matters. I have no other resource. My friends would all think I am
>possessed, and my husband already thinks I am crazy. Thank you all
>for being there. >>
>
> for me it was a long time the same problem, no one to talk such
thinks.
>Since I was with a friend / co-worker (my ex boss) on an
Meditation-Camp with
>Guruji Mohan, who gave some of us a healing treatment with his
"pocketlamp"...
>I can watch the process starting by my friend. Now every day he came
into my
>office, to ask and tell about his new discoveries, sensations,
>experiances..... its funny.
>
> It was hard not to share the blissful and not so fine
experiences with my
>wife, because I saw, she was afraid, that I am going down into some
madness.
> But since last week, she was looking a football game of the
world Cup in
>france, I came from meditaion and was looking the last minutes of
the game. I
>saw the players and all the people in the stadium. Wowww.... what
an abound
>of energy, charged myself from it. Then my wife said: 'there must be
a lot of
>energy......' In that moment she felt a tingle from the legs, up to
the whole
>body, head and a lot in the cheeks. That was it. Since her
experience she is
>more courious than affraid. We started now to talk about it and
thats
>wonderful.
> And I am glad too, about this list. A source, a mirror, advisor,
>inspiration and a sometimes it is giving rise to nearly die
laughing,
>sometimes it makes me cry.
> I write very rarely becaus I am to slow. Every time I read the
post, first
>it answers often my questions, before I formulated them.
>
>Love and light
>Uwe
>
Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 10:20:52 EDT
From: Harsha1MTMATnospamaol.com
To: lobsterATnospamdial.pipex.com, paulATnospamstationone.demon.co.uk,
kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: How?
Message-ID: <88eb1bf7.35925cc5ATnospamaol.com>
In a message dated 6/25/1998 2:06:13 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
lobsterATnospamdial.pipex.com writes:
<< Know this PAUL WEST. You are not enlightened. You are not wise. You are not
spiritual. You do not have wisdom.
Now weep. I have nothing for you but tears.
Sadly
Lobster >>
Harsha: Don't be sad Lobster. Is it proper to request someone to weep? Should
we set an example by going first? Who will feel better if the crying
commences? What if the request to weep is denied? Should not the tears come
from within? What are tears after all but salt water.
Date: 25 Jun 98 15:27:43 +0000
From: "Paul West" <paulATnospamstationone.demon.co.uk>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: How?
Message-Id: <35926C6F.MD-0.196.paulATnospamstationone.demon.co.uk>
> Rubbish. Spoken by a walking dustbin. You are just an accumulation of
> undigested knowledge. You steal from the words of the wise and corrupt them
> with lack of understanding.
> Know this PAUL WEST. You are not enlightened. You are not wise. You are not
> spiritual. You do not have wisdom.
> Now weep. I have nothing for you but tears.
Lobster,
You may be right. I search a lot and then I find and I feel I can stop
now. That's when it starts again. Maybe keeping going is to be still.
Other than this I do not read your words as if from an authority on
the subject. This is not to disrespect you but simply a precaution I
take. You judge me by the things I express not by the source of those
expressions, to which you speculate. You are sometimes close to the
mark, sometimes not. You are correct that I do not have much to say
for myself. I don't think that means anything. My corruption of other
people's wisdom is not as extreme as seems implied in your terms. I
know that either a person is wise or they are not, in that wisdom is
absolute and anything less/more is not wisdom. There are degrees of
clarity, perhaps ranging from muddy to clear rather than to imply that
there is neverending improvement. There is something I do not agree
with the way that you /suggest/ there is a large gap between myself
and reality. Even if it is so. But then, I don't suppose you are
bothered by that.
--
Paul.
IRC: #amiga, Dalnet: #blitz
WWW: http://www.stationone.demon.co.uk
E-M: paulATnospamstationone.demon.co.uk
Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 10:39:14 -0500
From: flute <fluteATnospamtexas.net>
To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Mantras
Message-ID: <35926F22.7DF1ATnospamtexas.net>
You wrote
> Dan MargolisATnospamABM
> 06/24/98 12:34 PM
>
> I don't remember the exact translation... I heard about two years ago but this is what I recall
>
> OM - Universal Sound
> Mane - Compassion Outward
> Padme - Strength/Force(I think)
> Hum - Love
>
> My memory is a little fuzzy and I'm not sure I've got the right definitions
Om.. AUM.. Ong (same difference) is the sound of all the cells vibrating
together.. You say it before and after your mantra. THe Om mane Padme
Om is also used in Feng shui to change the energy and karma of the room
and start the correct flow You say it 9 times. Nine is a Karma
number.(this is done after placement of all the things to correct the
energy.. chimes in corners, mirrors.. etc).
I love the mantra Sat Nam.. ryhms with But mom.. it is a mantra that
says.. Truth is my identity.
Another good Mantra for Kundalini Yoga is Ong Namo Guru Dev Namo.
(infinite creative Consciousness, I call on you, Divine Wisdom I call on
you..
and Ra Ma Da Sa Sa Say So Hung - Sun, Moon, EEarth, Infinity, I am that
infinity I belong to and contain.
This is per.. Kundalini Yogi for Body, Mind and Beyond by Ravi Singh
A very Good workbook for kundalini.
You might be able to order it from my pages..
http://www.create.org/marketplace
I have just received the ability to sell some very OLD text that has
been republished. This stuff is awesome.. the time frames are Madamn
Blavatsy (sp) and all the Rosy cross stuff from around the turn of the
last century.. My favorite is Black and White Magic by Dr. Franz
hartman.. its awesome..
Love,
flute
Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 11:55:27 EDT
From: PaulisediATnospamaol.com
To: paulATnospamstationone.demon.co.uk, kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: How?
Message-ID: <a4f19a1c.359272f0ATnospamaol.com>
Those that continue to judge others are not on any path to enlightenment.
Both of you need to look internally and not externally to criticize others.
False prophets know they will never be anything more than that, we only need
to be aware, not judge.
Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 10:55:58 -0500
From: flute <fluteATnospamtexas.net>
To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: MYSTIC Stuffs
Message-ID: <3592730E.6B61ATnospamtexas.net>
Dont be afriad of mystisism. (however you spell it.. giggling)
The Charastics of the mystic..
1st - you have.. The experience.. and there is no way to express the
experience in words that others can understand because it is your
individual relationship with that experience.
2nd - You have UNITY in mind body and spirit and also recognize the
unity that you reach upward with in the kundalni experience. So its
unity in knowing that everything is a part of the whole.
3rd- you feel joy.. BLISS/expansion of your love beyond the smiles and
giggling beyond inspiration.
4th - You have the knowledge of another reality, another dimension..
There is a story of a couple of tadpoles swimming in their pond.. Happy
and content.. then one day one of the tadpoles grows and turns into a
frog and goes on an adventure.. He returns some time later and speaks
with his friend who is still a tadpole.
Frog tells tadpole.. "I have been another place where the mud is dry".
The tadpole laughs at the Frog and tells him he is delusional.. then the
Frog also tells him of breathing without water and of a place where
there is a bright ball of light with no water around it. The tadpole
decides his friend is crazy and refuses to talk to him anymore.. The
frog has to continue in his own world, hoping that someday his friend
will grow and understand.. :>
I consider myself a mystic because there is no name for what I feel and
know within. I can't associate myself with Religion from any sect
because it seems to be the realm of the tadpole. (i.e.) One looking for
a personal God, one that takes on the ego identity of the person, where
there is a human form and gray hair or a crown of thorns..
Mystism is allowing yourself to know without limitations..
Love because that's the only reality, and that even is beyond the word
that we place to represent the emotion/form.
Flute
http://www.create.org/healingarts
Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 11:56:18 EDT
From: Harsha1MTMATnospamaol.com
To: mrtn74aATnospamprodigy.com, MURPHY18ATnospamprodigy.net, kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: awakening and Self- Realization
Message-ID: <b576266.35927323ATnospamaol.com>
Harsha: The following article on the Web, based on my own experience and
background, may be helpful for those interested in Kundalini awakening and
Self-Realization.
The Spiritual Experience and the Awakening of
>Kundalini Shakti in Tantra Yoga
>http://www.telebyte.nl/~frans/kundalini/harsh.html
Here is some Shakti inspired poetry about the Goddess and enlightenment.
http://www.telebyte.nl/~frans/kundalini/poetry.html
God bless everyone with all that is best and with peace and joy.
Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 09:22:04 -0700
From: "Dan Margolis" <dmargolisATnospamabm.com>
To: Paul West <paulATnospamstationone.demon.co.uk>
cc: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: How?
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Dan MargolisATnospamABM
06/25/98 09:22 AM
Hey guys go easy on Mr. West.
I remember a long time ago when I was in an English Literature class, there
was a student that would talk and talk and talk and talk. In every class
discussion his voice was heard. At one moment after a long babbling
discourse he paused and said, "Oh, I'm sorry I didn't mean to talk so
much." The teacher replied "That's okay, your the muzak between thoughts."
That statement "the muzak between thoughts" might sound harsh. But this
student served to keep a continuous line of discussion going until
something interesting came up. Sure nobody took him or his ideas seriously
but just by having him there, continuity was preserved and the discussions
could keep a good flow going.
While Mr. West might not be enlightened or spiritually inclined, he
provides a certain level of background noise that was otherwise
unavailable. Of course strangely enough the list functioned fine without
this background noise before. But for now enjoy it.
Dan M.
Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 13:23:09 -0400
From: "Wonderer" <mrtn74aATnospamprodigy.com>
To: "Paul West" <paulATnospamstationone.demon.co.uk>, <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Re: How?
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Dear Paul,
How unfortunate that you are under such scrutiny at this moment. I
did not want to dissect you, but found myself doing so. Pardon the
intrusion, but (if you are interested) here is my sense of where you
are at:
War between your mental and spiritual bodies. Your intellect is
trying to evaluate and protect you (your ego). This mind chatter is
fear based; the Ego is fearing its own demise. The mind's tactics
are much like the US Congress in a fillibuster; they pretend to be
furthering the cause of the subject at hand, but the effect is just
the opposite.
Ultimately, your mental body must elect to serve your spirital wisdom
and you will progress to calmer thought. Realize that even your
strong intellect cannot rival the genious inherent in all creation.
Trust that. Ignore those thoughts and listen for the inner wisdom.
I have read that Meditation upon the heart, throat, and crown chakras
should help this situation.
One final thought... One of my best friends is an intellectual. I
adore him, because I know he is sincere and kind, even if he lacks
intuition and common sense.
Love
Cathy
-----Original Message-----
From: Paul West <paulATnospamstationone.demon.co.uk>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Date: Thursday, June 25, 1998 11:14 AM
Subject: Re: How?
>> Rubbish. Spoken by a walking dustbin. You are just an accumulation
of
>> undigested knowledge. You steal from the words of the wise and
corrupt them
>> with lack of understanding.
>> Know this PAUL WEST. You are not enlightened. You are not wise.
You are not
>> spiritual. You do not have wisdom.
>> Now weep. I have nothing for you but tears.
>
>Lobster,
>
>You may be right. I search a lot and then I find and I feel I can
stop
>now. That's when it starts again. Maybe keeping going is to be
still.
>
>Other than this I do not read your words as if from an authority on
>the subject. This is not to disrespect you but simply a precaution I
>take. You judge me by the things I express not by the source of
those
>expressions, to which you speculate. You are sometimes close to the
>mark, sometimes not. You are correct that I do not have much to say
>for myself. I don't think that means anything. My corruption of
other
>people's wisdom is not as extreme as seems implied in your terms. I
>know that either a person is wise or they are not, in that wisdom is
>absolute and anything less/more is not wisdom. There are degrees of
>clarity, perhaps ranging from muddy to clear rather than to imply
that
>there is neverending improvement. There is something I do not agree
>with the way that you /suggest/ there is a large gap between myself
>and reality. Even if it is so. But then, I don't suppose you are
>bothered by that.
>
>--
>Paul.
>
>IRC: #amiga, Dalnet: #blitz
>WWW: http://www.stationone.demon.co.uk
>E-M: paulATnospamstationone.demon.co.uk
>
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