1998/06/23 23:20
kundalini-l-d Digest V98 #472
kundalini-l-d Digest Volume 98 : Issue 472
Today's Topics:
Re: Unidentified subject! [ "Lobster" <lobsterATnospamdial.pipex.com> ]
Altered states [ PShaw86324ATnospamaol.com ]
Fwd: ccMail SMTPLINK Undeliverable M [ PShaw86324ATnospamaol.com ]
Mysticism [ PShaw86324ATnospamaol.com ]
RE: Mysticism [ "jb" <hc19436ATnospamautovia.com> ]
RE: walking meditation [ "jb" <hc19436ATnospamautovia.com> ]
Re: Mysticism [ "Orea de Sa' Hana" <oreaATnospamerols.com> ]
Re: Mysticism [ Mystress Angelique Serpent <serpent ]
Re: Unidentified subject! [ "Paul West" <paulATnospamstationone.demon. ]
Re: AutoPost from Kundalini Resource [ "Paul West" <paulATnospamstationone.demon. ]
Re: Just Curious? [ "Paul West" <paulATnospamstationone.demon. ]
Re: Unidentified subject! [ "Paul West" <paulATnospamstationone.demon. ]
How? [ "Paul West" <paulATnospamstationone.demon. ]
Boing [ "Paul West" <paulATnospamstationone.demon. ]
How? [ "Paul West" <paulATnospamstationone.demon. ]
Oxymoron humor (fwd) [ "Roberto Gonzales del Valle" <93035 ]
AUM MANE PADME HUM [ Hajeed <habATnospamtelekom.com.my> ]
Re: AUM MANE PADME HUM [ vcooper <madammumATnospamptialaska.net> ]
Re: Dreams, visions and symbols [ amckeonATnospamhsmail.nfld.k12.mn.us ]
Re: Anybody have experience with Raj [ "Chuck O'Connell" <ChuckOConnellATnospamco ]
RE: AUM MANE PADME HUM [ Hajeed <habATnospamtelekom.com.my> ]
Re: AUM MANE PADME HUM [ vcooper <madammumATnospamptialaska.net> ]
Re: Dreams, visions and symbols [ David Bozzi <david.bozziATnospamsnet.net> ]
Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 11:20:43 +0100
From: "Lobster" <lobsterATnospamdial.pipex.com>
To: "Paul Torres" <island_11ATnospamhotmail.com>, <kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com>,
<timATnospamsbinfo.com>
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Paul:
> Does everyone here believe that Kundalini is a necessary step in the
>path of enlightenment, or can it be reached without the experience?
Hi Paul,
It can be reached without 'K'.
Various subjective experiences have no validity in 'Truth' which is ever
changing in expression (through us) but is also unchanging in essence.
People who engaged in spiritual practice on the whole are not interested in
'party tricks'. In the Sufi tradition any 'miracles' are hidden and seen as
irrelevant. In the Zen tradition 'K' is recognised but the enlightenment is
one into great ordinariness. In the traditions of Vedanta, the circus
performers who seek 'powers' are dissuaded by Sat Gurus as engaging in ego
enhancement and hence 'dangerous' (spiritually useless) practices.
The traditions that promote 'K' as a means, notably Western Magick and
Tibetan Buddhism, are notorious for producing unbalanced individuals. I find
both groups charming and entertaining but sadly I would not go to either
tradition for enlightenment. However their are genuine practioners in both
traditions. In Magick Hermeticism and Kabbalah are often promoted as 'K'
development systems. Similarly Taoism degenerates into a magical 'K system'
from its original simple spirituality which had no 'system'.
You will find that the noisier or better known a teaching, the more useless
it is. One of the greatest problems with 'K' is the unstable nature that
fails any capacity to discriminate between reality and phenomena.
The reason 'K' development is a red herring is very simple. Listen to some
of stories here and ask yourself if this sounds like any requirement for
enlightenment . . .
If it does sound wonderful to you (and by your tone I take it you are
impressed by superficial phenomenon) then I wish you luck . . . you are
going to need a great amount to get to enlightenment through 'k' . . .
Be Well
Noisy Lobster
K?
just say NO!
Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 12:17:30 EDT
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Subject: Altered states
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Hi everyone,
Some days I wake up in some kind of "altered state". It is unpleasant for me,
until I go outside and "merge" with nature. I then feel natural and free.
Does anyone else feel this?
Liz(ard of Odd)
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Help! What does this mean?
Lizard
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Hi everyone,
Some days I wake up in some kind of "altered state". It is unpleasant for me,
until I go outside and "merge" with nature. I then feel natural and free.
Does anyone else feel this?
Liz(ard of Odd)
Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 12:39:28 EDT
From: PShaw86324ATnospamaol.com
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Mysticism
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Hi all again,
I would like to know if anyone has an idea as to why this happens: everytime
I look up stuff on the net about mysticism or Kaballah, my room is invaded by
"lightning flashes". Most of them are black, a few white. Help!!
Liz(ard of Odd)
P.S. I'm thinking it's some kind of warning from "beyond".
Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 22:23:53 +0100
From: "jb" <hc19436ATnospamautovia.com>
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Liz(ard of Odd) wrote:
> Hi all again,
>
> I would like to know if anyone has an idea as to why this
> happens: everytime
> I look up stuff on the net about mysticism or Kaballah, my room
> is invaded by
> "lightning flashes". Most of them are black, a few white. Help!!
>
> P.S. I'm thinking it's some kind of warning from "beyond".
Hi Liz,
Why should it be a warning? Any altered state of mind could lead to such
phenomena. Linking the phenomena to the event of a web-search opens the door
to comparable phenomena that then will start to happen for other states of
mind. IMO it is best to ignore it, or to investigate it in the role of a
witness to both the phenomena and the occurrence that seems to trigger it.
Just look up the stuff from the net you need.
Jan
Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 22:24:02 +0100
From: "jb" <hc19436ATnospamautovia.com>
To: "K. list" <kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com>, <zkaplanATnospamnycap.rr.com>
Subject: RE: walking meditation
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Zack wrote:
> hi-what is walking meditation-it sounds great!
Hi Zack,
In principle, walking is very well suited to the types of meditation where
rhythm and timing are relevant. One can sit in an asana and repeat a mantra
(short, holy text) or one can walk and repeat the mantra at the pace of one
syllable per step. If breathing is synchronized to the walking (for instance
six steps inhaling and six steps exhaling), it is pleasant to use a mantra
of six syllables. Even the most unruly mind will be tamed by this method,
because the rhythm will cause the mantra to sink very deep, so deep that if
at times one temporarily forgets repeating the mantra, one finds out that it
keeps going on. Because the breath will be regulated also, it greatly
enhances the effect of quieting the mind. When this is mastered, the peace
of mind can be used for meditation like "who am I" or anything else that
works. The control over breath during walking will aid to it and as a
side-effect one will become conscious of the relationship between state of
mind (moods) and breathing, when not walking. Apart from this, walking
supports health so it is a combined exercise. Also, one will get accustomed
to the fact that both higher states of mind and samadhi are not dependent on
the little time that usually is available for meditation.
Jan
Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 17:41:58 -0400
From: "Orea de Sa' Hana" <oreaATnospamerols.com>
To: kl List <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Re: Mysticism
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Ohmygod, every time I open the refrigerator door, a light flashes on
right in front of my eyes! Could it be a warning? Actually for me it
probably is...shut the door and stop snacking!
Sorry, I couldn't resist.
My actual take on this is if I got that kind of response just getting
close to those web sites, I'd definitely have to check them out and see
what's going on! Maybe it's like a Geiger counter signal that you are
getting warmer. :-)
Blessings,
Orea
Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1998 17:54:12 -0700
From: Mystress Angelique Serpent <serpentATnospamdomin8rex.com>
To: oreaATnospamerols.com
Cc: kl List <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Re: Mysticism
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I'd say.. what is happening is you are getting a dose of shaktizap
online.. white prana bits for information incoming, black bits for
resistances being shed.
BB, M.
At 05:41 PM 23/06/98 -0400, Orea de Sa' Hana wrote:
>Sorry, I couldn't resist.
>
>My actual take on this is if I got that kind of response just getting
>close to those web sites, I'd definitely have to check them out and see
>what's going on! Maybe it's like a Geiger counter signal that you are
>getting warmer. :-)
>
>Blessings,
>
>Orea
>
>
>
>
>
Date: 24 Jun 98 02:39:59 +0000
From: "Paul West" <paulATnospamstationone.demon.co.uk>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Unidentified subject!
Message-Id: <359066FF.MD-0.196.paulATnospamstationone.demon.co.uk>
Paul Torres,
> Does everyone here believe that Kundalini is a necessary step in the
> path of enlightenment, or can it be reached without the experience?
I think it's just a thing. Like a rain is a thing. If it rains there
is wetness. If it doesn't, there isn't. If there is kundalini,
kundalini things happen. If there isn't, it doesn't. I am not sure it
is the only way by which everyone must pass. It is rather, I feel, a
path, a way of finding the pathless way. So kundalini, in and of
itself, is not so much, for me at least, the enlightenment itself, but
a way of getting there. That's the way I view it. I don't really take
all that much notice of what kundalini is doing anyway. If it is to
finish its job then surely you have to be willing to accept that it
isn't there. I just leave it alone. Maybe that, itself, is a faster
way to be enlightened. In which case, you could say, that kundalini is
perhaps working at its most efficient, when it is doing nothing at
all. I hope that gives you plenty of equally muddy confusion ;-)
--
Paul.
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Date: 24 Jun 98 02:24:32 +0000
From: "Paul West" <paulATnospamstationone.demon.co.uk>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: AutoPost from Kundalini Resource Center
Message-Id: <35906360.MD-0.196.paulATnospamstationone.demon.co.uk>
> I don't think I've ever read such a wonderful letter to a newbie. You have a
> true gift in explaining what is going on in beautiful detail, and in layman's
> terms (not all the yogic mumbo-jumbo many of us do not understand). I wish I
> had had someone like you to help me understand when I was going thru all this.
Well, thankyou, you've made me blush now :)
Maybe I sound like I am on the wavelength of a newbie. I am a newbie!
I don't like the jargon and romaticism of spirituality, not really,
not deep down. I am very easy-going really. Things are simple. I am
glad you enjoyed.
--
Paul.
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Date: 24 Jun 98 02:51:52 +0000
From: "Paul West" <paulATnospamstationone.demon.co.uk>
To: "PaulTorres"<island_11ATnospamhotmail.com>, kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Just Curious?
Message-Id: <359069C8.MD-0.196.paulATnospamstationone.demon.co.uk>
Paul Torres,
> Post P.S.
> To continue my previous E-mail with another Question, does anyone now
> anything of shapeshifting?
Hehe, I think that's science fiction. You could be `at-one' with
everything, but in such a state you are all things so there is nothing
other to shift shape into. You are already all the shapes that you
need be. You could do a kind of mental contortion to imagine that
things are the way they aren't, but that's not real then so it's not
going to be much fun. I don't see why, though, that if you are at-one
with everything there couldn't be some form-producing thing going on
there along the lines of what sai baba does.
--
Paul.
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Date: 24 Jun 98 02:45:27 +0000
From: "Paul West" <paulATnospamstationone.demon.co.uk>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Unidentified subject!
Message-Id: <35906847.MD-0.196.paulATnospamstationone.demon.co.uk>
> Jan:
> K. isn't a dial to measure one's views. Without proper attention, K. can
> give rise to a lot of confusion. Combined with meditation, K. can give rise
> to insight and wisdom.
I am wondering, if there aren't two sides to k.
People seem to identify k as being some kind of activity, something
measureable, something tangible. Perhaps there are some vibrations
somewhere, or some energy flowing about, or some strange cosmic orgasm
going on. But perhaps these are only the aspect of it that we can make
tangible observations of. I am wondering if the quietness inbetween
isn't equally, if not even more efficient, at work. You could say, for
example, that bliss or nothingness is kundalini at its most efficient.
And from this you could extrapolate that this great intelligence of
kundalini AS `enlightenment' reacts to the goo in the body, with
compassion, and it is only when goo is there that you see it acting.
And sometimes there's so much goo that it doesn't act, because maybe
it's not right to.
--
Paul.
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Date: 24 Jun 98 03:54:41 +0000
From: "Paul West" <paulATnospamstationone.demon.co.uk>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: How?
Message-Id: <35907881.MD-0.196.paulATnospamstationone.demon.co.uk>
Hi.
How else could muck exist on the ego if it weren't possible for us all
to be eteranally enlightened - which means `at the same time'. It must
be possible for there to be a state in which there is enlightenment
AND there is ego-muck. And it must, therefore, be possible to speak
and write as enlightened, bypassing the ego, even if the ego still
remains and still watches like a fly on the wall. But when this
occurs, ego cannot touch it, because it's too slippery. It is the
sheer `letting be' of the enlightened self that enables there to exist
an ego-self `simultaneously'. So, when a person appears to have lots
of ego, or they seem to be self-centered or selfish or horrible, it is
not such a good idea to target them with like-kind, for in actual fact
there is nothing wrong with them. And maybe it is perfectly alright
for there to remain all the so-called bad things of the world, without
their removal, at the same time as being enlightened, for the desire
to remove and to get rid of is not of enlightenment. When it comes,
when it happens, which is now, and always has been and always will be,
the chains of control have slipped away and there can still be an
ego-self. It's just that it might look different. And it may be
possible for the ego-self to view the world in an egotistical way, /at
the same time/ as the enlightened view. So discard not anything that
is said by anyone of any stature, because it all belongs to the whole.
--
Paul.
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Date: 24 Jun 98 04:08:17 +0000
From: "Paul West" <paulATnospamstationone.demon.co.uk>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Boing
Message-Id: <35907BB1.MD-0.196.paulATnospamstationone.demon.co.uk>
I am getting a few bounced messages lately, mainly replies to existing
k messages from other people. Newly written messages are fine. Is
there something some people are doing wierd?
--
Paul.
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WWW: http://www.stationone.demon.co.uk
E-M: paulATnospamstationone.demon.co.uk
Date: 24 Jun 98 04:14:22 +0000
From: "Paul West" <paulATnospamstationone.demon.co.uk>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: How?
Message-Id: <35907D1E.MD-0.196.paulATnospamstationone.demon.co.uk>
Hi.
How else could muck exist on the ego if it weren't possible for us all
to be eteranally enlightened - which means `at the same time'. It must
be possible for there to be a state in which there is enlightenment
AND there is ego-muck. And it must, therefore, be possible to speak
and write as enlightened, bypassing the ego, even if the ego still
remains and still watches like a fly on the wall. But when this
occurs, ego cannot touch it, because it's too slippery. It is the
sheer `letting be' of the enlightened self that enables there to exist
an ego-self `simultaneously'. So, when a person appears to have lots
of ego, or they seem to be self-centered or selfish or horrible, it is
not such a good idea to target them with like-kind, for in actual fact
there is nothing wrong with them. And maybe it is perfectly alright
for there to remain all the so-called bad things of the world, without
their removal, at the same time as being enlightened, for the desire
to remove and to get rid of is not of enlightenment. When it comes,
when it happens, which is now, and always has been and always will be,
the chains of control have slipped away and there can still be an
ego-self. It's just that it might look different. And it may be
possible for the ego-self to view the world in an egotistical way, /at
the same time/ as the enlightened view. So discard not anything that
is said by anyone of any stature, because it all belongs to the whole.
--
Paul.
IRC: #amiga, Dalnet: #blitz
WWW: http://www.stationone.demon.co.uk
E-M: paulATnospamstationone.demon.co.uk
Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 21:39:22 -0600
From: "Roberto Gonzales del Valle" <930359ATnospamaloe.ulima.edu.pe>
To: "Kundalini List" <kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com>
Cc: "HeartZen" <heartzenATnospamlistserv.servtech.com>
Subject: Oxymoron humor (fwd)
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>Top 47 OXYMORONS:
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>46. Found missing
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>44. Advanced BASIC
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>35. Legally drunk
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Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1998 11:36:59 +0800
From: Hajeed <habATnospamtelekom.com.my>
To: "K. list" <kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com>
Subject: AUM MANE PADME HUM
Message-ID: <01BD9F64.68816B60ATnospamc01ws163.s01ws01.dom>
Does anyone know its meaning?
Jeed.
Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1998 19:49:51 -0800
From: vcooper <madammumATnospamptialaska.net>
To: Hajeed <habATnospamtelekom.com.my>
CC: "K. list" <kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com>
Subject: Re: AUM MANE PADME HUM
Message-ID: <3591C8DF.7EC9ATnospamptialaska.net>
Hajeed wrote:
>
> Does anyone know its meaning?
>
> Jeed.
i *think* it means "your mama & daddy like to sing"...
:-)
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I have seen the truth and it makes no sense.
Valerie Cooper * http://geocities.com/SoHo/7982/
Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 23:02:25 -0500
From: amckeonATnospamhsmail.nfld.k12.mn.us
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Subject: Re: Dreams, visions and symbols
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>Harsha: I love that Song Lobster. It always puts me in Bhava Samadhi. Now
>Lawrence listen. Read the words of the Lobster carefully. Go through the
>Lobster Sutras and digest them. That is the true Sadhana. It may take you
>years. Do not feel cheap for advertising your book here. Others have done it
>as well. But ask yourself if you can really do a good Elvis impersonation.
>If you cannot, then what does all your sadhana really mean? Have you learned
>anything?
Harsha Harsha Harsha.... (in a voice like Jan's from "The Brady Bunch") You
are such a hoot. Have you ever considered doing standup comedy? You and
Lobster could be the next Laurel and Hardy or Burns and Allen or Moore and
Cook or French and Saunders... The two of you are keeping me in stitches...
*ouch*
amckeon
*knock-knock.... Who's there?... Who's asking?...*
Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1998 00:01:46 -0400
From: "Chuck O'Connell" <ChuckOConnellATnospamcompuserve.com>
To: k-list <kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com>
Subject: Re: Anybody have experience with Raja-Yoga?
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Hello List!
Message text written by "Lobster" in response to question about 'results'
from Chuck:
>
Lobster:
One of the greatest lessons for me was time . . . The longest route is the
shortest distance. Meditation and your learning will take the rest of your
life and *you may fail*. Are you still prepared to go on . . . :-)
Take your time. Relax. Enjoy the journey. Go meditate up a tree or take a
holiday/retreat. Make friends. Enjoy life. Know there is always more . . .
<
Chuck:
Yes, I am still prepared to go on. It doesn't matter if it takes one
lifetime or one thousand.
That is a 'blink of the eye' when compared to eternity. It does make you
wonder if getting
'stuck ' in nature is the souls way of relieving eternal boredom... (ha!)
Message text written by "Lobster" in response to question about meditation
from Chuck:
>
Lobster:
You are not trying to achieve a blank mind but an attentive mind. A mind
empty of fullness or full of emptiness. Does this make more sense? You are
trying to be aware of the presence of Mind and empty of the 'mind chatter'
that is not the real You. If thoughts arise, bring the attention to the
point of arising but let the thought go. You are not trying to 'suppress
thoughts', rather you are trying to see their cause, their source. in the
place of the source (the 'void', emptiness, I AM, God) there is a great
peace . . .
<
Chuck:
I get it, that is what I understood to be 'empty mind'. I do look to see
the source of my thoughts.
What I 'see' as their source depends on the thought. Some thoughts carry
with them emotions:
I 'see' that angry thoughts, vengeful thoughts, hateful thoughts come from
wounded ego.
This understanding has allowed me to 'turn off' anger during interactions
with other people
(but not always!). There are some thoughts which carry with them feelings
of pride - thoughts
about a good job done on some task. Some thoughts are just plain fun -
'Wouldn't it be neat if
I could fly' sort of thing (I see this as ego wanting to be able to do
something superhuman),
There are other thoughts that I just can't figure out where they come from.
They are just show up.
'I need to fill the car with gas'. There appears to be no ego or emotion
involved, It is not a reaction
to a negative or positive event. It is just practical. It's just there.
Is this what you mean by trying to see the source of a thought?
Seeing where they come
from the ego? Or should I be loooking (see the third eye in there? (Ha!))
for something else, something
that transends the ego. Should I be looking beyond understanding ego? If
so (and I think it is so), then what do I 'look' for? What do you 'see' it
with?
Peace to All as I gratefully implore you to be patient with me.
Chuck
Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1998 12:06:36 +0800
From: Hajeed <habATnospamtelekom.com.my>
To: "'madammumATnospamptialaska.net'" <madammumATnospamptialaska.net>,
Hajeed <habATnospamtelekom.com.my>
Cc: "K. list" <kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com>
Subject: RE: AUM MANE PADME HUM
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Thank you for the answer. I appreciate it.
-----Original Message-----
From: vcooper [SMTP:madammumATnospamptialaska.net]
Sent: Thursday, 25 June, 1998 11:50 AM
To: Hajeed
Cc: K. list
Subject: Re: AUM MANE PADME HUM
Hajeed wrote:
>
> Does anyone know its meaning?
>
> Jeed.
i *think* it means "your mama & daddy like to sing"...
:-)
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I have seen the truth and it makes no sense.
Valerie Cooper * http://geocities.com/SoHo/7982/
Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1998 20:09:46 -0800
From: vcooper <madammumATnospamptialaska.net>
To: Hajeed <habATnospamtelekom.com.my>
CC: "K. list" <kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com>
Subject: Re: AUM MANE PADME HUM
Message-ID: <3591CD89.52C0ATnospamptialaska.net>
Hajeed wrote:
>
> Thank you for the answer. I appreciate it.
Hajeed,
Seriously now, I USED to really know what it meant, & have forgotten.
But - I am certain there are at least 12 people on here who can
remember, & just too overwhelmed with *life* to pay attention!
C'mon folks!
What's AUM MANE PADME HUM *really* mean???
;-)
vc
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I have seen the truth and it makes no sense.
Valerie Cooper * http://geocities.com/SoHo/7982/
Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1998 01:51:04 -0400
From: David Bozzi <david.bozziATnospamsnet.net>
To: amckeonATnospamhsmail.nfld.k12.mn.us, Kundalini <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Re: Dreams, visions and symbols
Message-ID: <359093C8.6958EA1BATnospammail.snet.net>
amckeonATnospamhsmail.nfld.k12.mn.us wrote:
> *knock-knock.... Who's there?... Who's asking?...*
I almost sent that very post today.Thanx for getting around to it.
(whose reading whose mind?)
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