1998/06/20  17:39  
 kundalini-l-d Digest V98 #467 
  
kundalini-l-d Digest				Volume 98 : Issue 467
 
Today's Topics: 
  Re: AutoPost from Kundalini Resource  [ ImtgxxxATnospamaol.com ] 
  Re: Anybody have experience with Raj  [ ImtgxxxATnospamaol.com ] 
  Re: To Recreate Eden (was genuine or  [ "Orea de Sa' Hana" <oreaATnospamerols.com> ] 
  Ta                                    [ "Paul West" <paulATnospamstationone.demon. ] 
  Re: re personal K experience          [ "Paul Torres" <island_11ATnospamhotmail.co ] 
  Re: AutoPost from Kundalini Resource  [ amckeonATnospamhsmail.nfld.k12.mn.us ] 
  Re: Everything wants to live - Alpha  [ "Magne Aga" <magneagaATnospammonet.no> ] 
  Thanks for the welcome                [ esther steinacher <esther.steinache ] 
  Re: Geometric visions/k/art           [ Ann Morrison Fisher <annfisherATnospamstic ] 
  My "K" experiences                    [ "Dhyani \"Debbie\"" <debhATnospammindsprin ] 
  More Kundalini outcomes               [ "Dhyani \"Debbie\"" <debhATnospammindsprin ] 
Date: Sat, 20 Jun 1998 10:30:16 EDT 
From: ImtgxxxATnospamaol.com 
To: debhATnospammindspring.com 
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com 
Subject: Re: AutoPost from Kundalini Resource Center 
Message-ID: <bba17ce2.358bc77aATnospamaol.com> 
 
Dear Debbie...
 
Welcome to the list!  I think you will love it here.  I've been subbed for 
almost a couple of years and it has truly been a blessing to me.... helping me 
to sort things out, understand K, to realize that I'm not alone in all this.  
 
As I was reading your letter, I could have wrote it myself!  It sounded a lot 
like my own experiences.  I lost everything, custody of my son included.... my 
business, my home, my sanity, my life.....  I now have my son back and my life 
is coming back together.... beautifully I might add.  So you hang in there.... 
hang on to the old cliche's (and this, too shall pass.... I don't know the big 
picture here.... etc etc)...  If you could only see the big picture, you would 
understand this all completely.  
 
You just keep posting if you have any questions.  Everyone is so wonderful 
here as the majority have been through what you have and can shorten your 
finding the answers should you have any questions.  
 
Take care and thanks for sharing....
 
Love, 
xxxtg 
Date: Sat, 20 Jun 1998 11:25:33 EDT 
From: ImtgxxxATnospamaol.com 
To: ChuckOConnellATnospamcompuserve.com 
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com 
Subject: Re: Anybody have experience with Raja-Yoga? 
Message-ID: <9ab7ed71.358bd46eATnospamaol.com> 
 
In a message dated 6/18/98 12:15:28 AM Eastern Daylight Time, 
ChuckOConnellATnospamcompuserve.com writes:
 
> My name is Chuck.   I've been on this list for about 3 weeks.   What I've 
>  seen here surprises me. >  I expected to find more information on 'how to' 
raise kundalini. 
 
Hi Chuck... great to have you here!   I've found this list to be more of a 
support group for those that have spontaneously awakened their k and do not 
understand what the heck is going on.  At least that is the context that it 
helped me with.  There are many websites and book recommendations on the info 
you are looking for --  I will forward some to you.  
 
.... It seems>  most of you are experiencing>  random occurances rather than 
directed ones.   Is this the norm?    Do most>  of you do any meditation>  or 
yoga? 
 
We took a poll a while back on these questions.  Anybody out there have the 
results for Chuck?  
 
    
>  Soon after I started meditating (but not during meditation) I found myself 
>  confronted by things from my past.  (snipped) 
    I'm wondering if there>  is some mechanism that is forcing  
>  me to look at what I think I am, and then find out that it is wrong.   ** 
>  Does this happen to others? Is it what I >  should be expecting?  I think 
it is and I would like confirmation from>  someone who has been there. **
 
You are par for the course.... right on track.   
   
>  is it real?,  is it psychosis? Is it just my mind playing tricks with me?  
 
The ego will go to all sorts of lengths to show you how marvelous and powerful 
you are.  You can choose to get caught up in it, or choose to grow and ignore 
these findings.  Observing, with no judgement, would help you to choose the 
right direction to go.  
 
>  One other side note:  I noticed that this list was started by a 'Richard 
>  Satin'.  I didn't bother me, but I couldn't>  help note how close 'Satin' 
is to 'Satan'.    I also noted that 'Angelique>  Serpent'  also conjures up an 
image of 
>  Lucifer (the fallen angel) as a serpent - 'the angelic serpent'.  (I know, 
>  I know - the kundalini serpent fire is what you >  are getting at).  It 
just  seemed an odd coincidence.   
 
Paranoia is a wonderful trait of K.  (Just loved that part) (cough cough). 
Again.... judgements.  Observe and let it go.  You are learning how 
perceptions work - they are being exaggerated for you to really see.  They 
mean nothing.  
 
Everything in this world is neutral.  It is only our perceptions and 
judgements that make it valuable or not.  And with your K active right now, it 
is not the time to trust any perception.  Take them all with a grain of salt 
and just enjoy the process the best you can.  Observe as you would a movie. 
Your mind can make up all sorts of fantastic, horrible, wonderful, ridiculous, 
ludicrous, marvelous things.  You are being shown this now.   Doesn't mean a 
thing.  (unless you choose it to).  
 
>  I want to experience things that will let me know that enlightenment is a 
>  real goal.  But how can I tell what is real >  and what is just a figment 
of my imagination - or just a meditation induced>  euphoria (the 'rush' 
maybe?)
 
It is all imagination... all meditation induced.  You can choose to get caught 
up in it and see your all-mighty importance (and you will), or you can choose 
to realize that you don't know what anything, including all of this, means. 
Enlightenment is the goal.  The journey is the means.  If your goal was to 
live in California and you were headed west to move there, would you stop at 
the Grand Canyon and stay forever, if California was your goal?  Would you 
ever get there by doing that?   Stop a moment and enjoy the view for awhile, 
then get your butt back in the car to your true destination.  The Grand Canyon 
is awe-inspiring, but it ain't California.  (maybe not a great analogy, but 
you get the point?)
 
>  This is a new and strange road I am walking down.  Already I feel more at 
>  peace.  >  I don't believe this road is a blind alley.  But I don't want to 
walk down 
>  it forever if it is.
 
If you are at peace, then you are on the right road.  It is when you get "out 
of peace", into bliss or fear, that you have gotten off the beaten path. 
Follow your peace and it will lead you to where you are wanting to go.  
 
Thanks for sharing.  Glad you are here. 
 
Love, 
xxxtg
 
* I'm not where I want to be 
  I'm not where I ought to be 
  and I'm not where I'm going to be 
  but Thank God I'm not where used to be! *
 
http://members.aol.com/Teeegeee/tgsplace.html   <~~~~ on the web now! 
Date: Sat, 20 Jun 1998 12:18:01 -0400 
From: "Orea de Sa' Hana" <oreaATnospamerols.com> 
To: kl List <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com> 
Subject: Re: To Recreate Eden (was genuine or delusional) 
Message-ID: <358BE0B8.D3A0750BATnospamerols.com> 
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"It's the end of the world *as we know it*,  and I feel fine!"  :-)
 
-Orea
 
 
Magne Aga wrote:
 
> ---------- 
> * Ann Morrison Fisher 
> >  Goddess moves in mysterious ways... 
> >  The mass consciousness shift required for planetary healing.... 
> >  Kundalini has been called the most powerful 
> >  force in the Universe. Pollution has not. 
> > 
> > We will recreate Eden, with the 
> > limitless power of our Love. 
> > Believe it. 
> 
> * Anquelique 
> > An important image to spread as widely as possible, to counteract all 
> those 
> > images of decay and the end of the earth! 
> 
> Maybe the socalled "end of the earth" needs a new and positive semantic 
> meaning ? 
> 
> <snip> 
> Ironically, those obsessed by preaching "earths destruction", "end of the 
> world as God's punishment", "ecological catastrophes" etc are contributing 
> to the present darkness, by preaching fear. In similar ways, jornualists 
> obsessed by "scandals", "negative news as good stories" contributes to the 
> same problems they focus on, because it fortifies the present mass neurosis 
> of delusions that our present problems are "unavoidable", "unsolvable". 
> 
> Let's imagine the world as a place of Peace, Love, cooperation. Without 
> wars, unemployment, diseases, death. Everything starts as an image on the 
> etheric, before manifesting physically. If we focus on negativity, we ask 
> for negativity. If we use Fisher's affirmation, we ask that the Future is 
> Now. 
Date: 20 Jun 98 17:21:22 +0000 
From: "Paul West" <paulATnospamstationone.demon.co.uk> 
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com 
Subject: Ta 
Message-Id: <358BEF4B.MD-0.196.paulATnospamstationone.demon.co.uk> 
 
Hello.
 
I'd like to say thanks to the people who have written to me with 
sympathies, condolences, and opinions regarding what happened to me 
yesterday with a local dog. No Dave, it was not a wakeup call, it was 
a reminder of the humanity I had already woken up to. I am not sure 
what is so `spiritually exciting' about getting other people to wake 
up.
 
Thanks anyway. Healing is commencing.
 
-- 
Paul.
 
IRC: #amiga, Dalnet: #blitz 
WWW: http://www.stationone.demon.co.uk 
E-M: paulATnospamstationone.demon.co.uk 
Date: Sat, 20 Jun 1998 09:35:11 PDT 
From: "Paul Torres" <island_11ATnospamhotmail.com> 
To: esther.steinacherATnospamxtra.co.nz, serpentATnospamdomin8rex.com 
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com 
Subject: Re: re personal K experience 
Message-ID: <19980620163511.23456.qmailATnospamhotmail.com> 
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>   Realize that you are praying anyways.. your every thought, is heard  
as a 
>prayer, and your fearful expectations are what you have been praying  
for. 
>You get, what you pray for..  
>  So get very sincere about what you want
 
I would have to agree whole heartedly with this statement, because I  
have increasingly become dedicated to finding out about truth in my  
life.  This led to my increased capacity to deal with aspecte of truth.   
I know things now that would have sent me to a looney bin a few years  
ago, and I attribute it to the sincerity with which I live my life.   
Remember, though, that this does not negate fun in any way, so have a  
great time, and along the way you may find what you are looking for.
 
Paul Torres.
 
P.S.  
I apologize if my e-mails don't make as much sense as I want, but I am  
finding that as I travel to the places where language is not needed, I  
lose much of my mastery over communicating.
 
______________________ 
Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com 
Date: Sat, 20 Jun 1998 12:48:47 -0500 
From: amckeonATnospamhsmail.nfld.k12.mn.us 
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com 
Subject: Re: AutoPost from Kundalini Resource Center (Debbie) 
Message-Id: <l03020901b1b156b5848aATnospam[206.103.216.228]> 
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>I also finally found doctors in Ann Arbor who help people with psychic 
>problems and they put me on >energy medicine which has helped 
>tremendously. 
>debbie
 
You have come to the right place. There are many wise and helpful people 
here. I found your story very interesting.  I have had a similar experience 
to the one you describe but found my "karmic" connection to the other 
person to be largely in my imagination, and I was probably "doing it" to 
myself (or kundalini was).  Something to think about. Your mileage may vary.
 
Anyhoo, I am curious about the "energy medicine." Could you describe its 
contents?
 
Welcome to the list! 
amckeon 
Date: Sat, 20 Jun 1998 20:50:55 +0200 
From: "Magne Aga" <magneagaATnospammonet.no> 
To: <oreaATnospamerols.com>, "kl List" <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com> 
Subject: Re: Everything wants to live - Alpha = Omega (was Re : Recreate Eden) 
Message-Id: <199806201954.UAA27139ATnospamumbukta.monet.no> 
 
---------- 
* Magne Aga 
> Maybe the socalled "end of the earth" needs a new and positive semantic 
> meaning ? 
> 
> Ironically, those obsessed by preaching "earths destruction", "end of the 
> world as God's punishment", "ecological catastrophes" etc are 
contributing 
> to the present darkness, by preaching fear. In similar ways, jornualists 
> obsessed by "scandals", "negative news as good stories" contributes to 
the 
> same problems they focus on, because it fortifies the present mass 
neurosis 
> of delusions that our present problems are "unavoidable", "unsolvable". 
>  
> Let's imagine the world as a place of Peace, Love, cooperation. Without 
> wars, unemployment, diseases, death. Everything starts as an image on the 
> etheric, before manifesting physically. If we focus on negativity, we ask 
> for negativity. If we use Fisher's affirmation, we ask that the Future is 
> Now.
 
* Orea de Sa' Hana 
>  "It's the end of the world *as we know it*,  and I feel fine!"  :-)
 
EVERYTHING WANTS TO LIVE  
(REPOSTING FROM YESTERDAY)
 
Observe, for example, the discussions on these Kundalini-site, concerning 
the problem people have in  leaving the outdated past behind. There have 
been quite a discussion about the "death of the Ego", for example, and many 
complains about how strenious, how difficult, how hard it is to get rid of 
their worst enemies within. It's a battlefield. The End Days is called the 
War of Armageddon. It's no war between men. It's a war between the mortal 
and spiritual concepts within each and every one of us. 
 
Observe people who have been imprisoned, and one day, at last, can 
experience freedom again. Although the traumas from the prison is something 
they want to get rid of, many have problems to handle the freedom when 
coming out. They have emotional dependencies to that which gives them 
serfdom ! Observe how people who have escaped from dictatorships, have 
problems to live in democracies ! Observe how woman who are entrapped by 
evil husbands, terrorizing them, have problems to establish a meaningfull 
life without them, as free individuals ! We are entrapped by serfdom, due 
to dependencies to that which holds us back ! 
 
Although we honestly and conscious wants to be FREE, there are myriads of 
threads, visible and invisible, attempting to prevent our evolution. 
EVERYTHING WANTS TO LIVE.
 
It doesn't matter whether it's good or evil. It want's to live anyway. It's 
a natural law. And while trying to get free from serfdom, that which keeps 
us back in evolution, whill STILL try to keep us back. 
 
There are individuals who keep repeating the same patterns over and over; 
they carry them from relationship to relationship, situation to situation, 
lifetime to lifetime. Often, they cannot discern the causes of these 
patterns. Their thoughts and emotions about the patterns, creates a force 
field which causes the same situation, the same tradegy to be repeated 
again and again. 
 
Truly they suffer. They seemingly cannot escape from the very circumstances 
and conditions which hurt them. They hold on to them. For in them is the 
FAMILIARITY which spells, to their ways of thinking, life. They FEAR that 
if they LET GO of the individuals who hurt them, the conditions which spoil 
them, life will end. 
 
The enemy is not the individuals or the conditions which plague them, but 
"DEATH", as it has wrongly been interpreted as obliteration of life. But 
there is no death. Only transmutations. Elimination, denial, renouncements 
are functions of life, not preludes of dying. 
 
The "violet flame" will renounce the chains of serfdom:
 
The violet flame is an all-consuming fire. It is not hot. It's comfortable. 
It's desirable to be in it. Rise into your I Am state. Visualize the violet 
flame 2 feets in front of your body. Place yourself in it with a sense of 
joy and expectations. Know that it cannot harm, but only can help. 
 
>From the third eye, see your own aura. See it encased by this beautiful 
flame of nonburning fire. The aura, with its emotions, thought and psychic 
patterns, influences all of the functions of your body. Visualize all 
levels of your being as CLEANSED by this violet flame. 
 
If any condition, person or situation limits your full I Am expression, 
renounce its connections to your body and aura. Burn of the ties, binding 
you to mortal ways and thinking and preventing the immortal I Am to 
manifest. One, by one, in different meditations, place into the violet 
flame friends, relatives, soul patterns, limiting codes and philosophies, 
troubling dreams, memories of past failures. Burn of all threads impeding 
your progress. Used this way, the violet flame harms no one, nothing. But 
it sets you free.
 
Feelings and emotions, ideas and customs, associations and relationships, 
physical limitations and errors are eliminated, renounced, denied. They 
disappear. This is your rightfull duty. This is a divine attribute of 
Yours. In Kriya Yoga, this flame is connected to the chrone and root 
chakras. Breathing in energy through the chrone chakra, breathing it out 
(renounce gross) through the root via the violet flame.
 
Instead of repeating the same incorrect things life after life, with the 
same people visiting you, they soon would not find you here anymore. It's 
time to pack your bags. To let go. To leave the things you don't need 
anymore. It's the last step on a long, long road. Finishing up, it's time 
to go. Cancel the ticket for the wrong destination. Burn the bridges to the 
past. With no thing to bind you, and no thing to loose, eliminate the 
thoughts that rob you of your peace.  
Sing your freedom song today !
 
"Life is a short cold moment, 
and death is a long, warm rest"
 
(Pink Floyd, "Obscured by clouds") 
Date: Sun, 21 Jun 1998 09:57:22 +0500 
From: esther steinacher <esther.steinacherATnospamxtra.co.nz> 
To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com 
Subject: Thanks for the welcome 
Message-ID: <358C92B2.715AATnospamxtra.co.nz> 
 
Looked over at the computer and could see the shakti, thanking you. It  
is a comfort not to feel so isolated and I really need to get this  
grounding sussed. thanks for the info, as always knowing is a long way  
from believing, love to all, with a special thanks to you Mystress 
 Earle 
Date: Sat, 20 Jun 1998 17:46:39 -0500 
From: Ann Morrison Fisher <annfisherATnospamstic.net> 
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com 
Subject: Re: Geometric visions/k/art 
Message-Id: <l03010d11b1b1ec1832baATnospam[207.71.50.213]> 
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
 
Hi Holly!
 
>I get these, too, as well as migraines.  Oliver Sacks, in his book on 
>migraine, speculates on the correlation of migraine, these geometric 
>visions and religious vision.  He uses the art of Hildegarde of Bingen 
>as an example.  I've been on the lookout for artists I believe have 
>experienced kundalini activity and often their work has this same 
>geometric quality -- an English visionary artist named Stanley Spencer 
>is my latest discovery.  I don't know if all migraine/epilepsy is 
>k-based but the connection sure seems high to me.  Holly
 
As your K. has developed, have the migraines become any less severe?
 
Love, 
Ann 
Date: Sat, 20 Jun 1998 19:58:03 -0400 
From: "Dhyani  \"Debbie\"" <debhATnospammindspring.com> 
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com 
Subject: My "K" experiences 
Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980620195803.00699200ATnospampop.mindspring.com> 
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
 
I experienced a sudden Kundalini awakening in July 1994.  The past four 
years of my life since that experience have been bizarre, almost fatal, 
intense and blissful as well as disorienting.
 
I'll give you a little background information first.  As a child I was 
interested in all things psychic.  I did spells, had seances and saw 
spirits.  I had a spirit enter my body when I was fifteen and do some 
automatic writing.  I began reading Zen at fourteen and also began 
meditating at the same age.  I have either meditated, chanted or practiced 
T'ai Chi continuously since I was a young teenager.  I am now 39 years old. 
 I was a strict vegetarian for 22 years until this past year when I had to 
begin eating a little meat to help ground me psychically.
 
I have always been an addictive person.  At age nine I became addicted to 
chocolate as a way of dealing with my parents divorce.  I then got into 
drugs at age thirteen and at age fifteen I became addicted to men. 
Fortunately I got off the drugs by age sixteen.  I found that sex gave me 
just as good a high.  I was addicted to the altered state of orgasm.  In my 
twenties I became a Religion major and began reading Carlos Casteneda and 
Stanislov Grof.  I realized I had always believed in reincarnation and 
invisible forces.  
 
My second marriage ended ten years ago.  One of my greatest fears during 
that marriage was that I would somehow end up fighting my ex in court over 
our now thirteen year old daughter.  I did not understand why I was so 
afraid.  Granted, he was an attorney but it was more than that.  I feared 
for my life somehow.  Anyway, in '93, my ex initiated a custody battle and 
I entered into a deep state of prayer.  I prayed so deeply for reasons 
unknown except that I felt I was going to be executed somehow in court.  I 
stayed in that deep state of prayer for seven months until the hearing. 
Although I actually ended up winning more rights, I still felt the entire 
episode was a replay from a past life experience with this man. I am 
convinced he did murder me in a former life.
 
Around the same time this custody fight began, I met a man through work who 
became the trigger for my Kundalini awakening the following summer.  Each 
time I saw this man between the summer of '93 and '94, something strange 
would occur.  It felt as if his energy were trying to invade me and it tood 
effort to push it away.
 
Then in June '94, I had to work with him at his place of business for 
several hours.  We were standing in a public place when all of a sudden I 
felt a psychic tornado whip around us.  We both had to struggle to remain 
standing upright.  He kept straightening his tie and tucking in his shirt 
and clearing his throat.  As I felt and watched this, a voice spoke into my 
left ear.  It said:  "Whatever you do, do not look at him with any 
awareness of this energy because the moment you do, everything will change". 
I listened to the voice and pretended nothing strange was going on.  I left 
there thinking this was a very strange, isolated incident.  But I was wrong.
 
Three weeks later, I was helping to facilitate a workshop.  This man was 
taking the workshop and sat in the middle of the room about fifteen feet 
away.  I was standing against the wall facing him.  An hour into the 
workshop, I suddenly felt my body become paralyzed.  I began to panic but 
then I realized that I was entering an altered state.  So I relaxed and 
just enjoyed the ride.  It felt like the most intense whole body orgasm I 
had ever had.  I could feel energy streaming into me through my forehead. 
The energy traveled down my spine and up again out the top of my head.  It 
felt as though every cell in my body were waking up simultaneously.  I was 
flying.  I traveled to a place that I can only explain as the source of all 
life.  I felt totally free.  There was no time or structure here.  I 
realized at that moment that we are truly spirits in bodies and that there 
really is no time, only eternity.
 
I did not want to return to my body.  When I woke up, I opened my eyes to 
see this same man staring at me.  I realized the energy had been coming 
from his direction.  We just staying in the most deep and intense gaze I 
have ever experienced.  I recognized him as the most ancient soul I have 
ever known.  It was like looking into a mirror of my own soul.  After a 
while I turned away, it was too intense.  He immediately got up and ran out 
of the room and the building.  He was running so fast I could not catch him.
 
I began trying to get to know him after that.  We talked as though we had 
known each other for a long time.  There was an immediate intimacy between 
us and I know he told me things he had probably not told others before. 
But he is also married with children and so I knew this was not going 
anywhere.  
 
Four months after the initial experience, I woke up in a state of intense 
grief.  It felt as though someone had just died and when I was around this 
man, the feelings became a 100 times more intense.  I was flooded with 
grief over his death from another life as well as other past life memories 
involving this same man.  The grief lasted for three years.  Combined with 
this devastating grief, I have also experienced feeling on fire, literally, 
for long periods of time.  Intense sexual desire that could not be 
satisfied, vivid dreams of past life memories, nightmares, voices, seeing 
auras.  
 
The grief became so intense that it caused near fatal physical problems in 
'95.  My lungs filled with fluid and I developed pneumonia.  I could not 
breathe for 25 days.  I healed myself dramatically with my mind.  I'll save 
that story for another posting.  After I recovered, a few weeks later my 
liver started to fail and I had to go on an 18 day water fast.  I recovered 
from both near fatal experiences.
 
I have struggled with intense time disorientation over the years which 
peaked in '96.  I did not know any more whether I was living in the past, 
present or future.  My past life memories had literally taken over my 
present reality.  The only way I got through this was to allow myself to 
grieve.  I will describe a bizarre experience I had in a cemetary in 
another posting.  I received a sign from God when I was close to suicide 
that saved my life.
 
I finally found some Anthroposophic Doctors in Ann Arbor Michigan who 
helped me come back to earth.  They told me I was too excarnated from my 
Kundalini experience and they put me on some herbal energy medicine (metal 
therapy) and gave me some exercises to do.  They were the only people I 
found who really understand these experiences.  I will be happy to share 
their phone number if anyone is interested. With their help, I have 
regained a great deal of stability.
 
However, I have made a mess out of my physical life.  My money is totally 
gone.  I ended up in a second custody battle last year which I initiated. 
I lost badly and now I hardly get to see my daughter which is quite 
painful.  I am in an appeals process.  I lost my job a couple of years ago. 
I really could use some friends right now.  It is difficult for me to meet 
new people because I don't know how to talk about my life.  Also, I am 
still having psychic trouble when I meet others who also have active 
Kundalini energy.  I am so open psychically that I can get sick from this 
energy quite easily if I am around anyone who is going through similar 
experiences.
 
that's enough for now.....
 
debbie 
Date: Sat, 20 Jun 1998 20:00:38 -0400 
From: "Dhyani  \"Debbie\"" <debhATnospammindspring.com> 
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com 
Subject: More Kundalini outcomes 
Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980620200038.00697230ATnospampop.mindspring.com> 
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
 
I just resent a longer version of my sudden Kundalini awakening experience 
in '94.  The first one I tried to post got chopped off so I retyped it and 
sent it again.
 
Thanks for the responses I received.  Yes, there have been benefits even 
though the energy was released in my body much too quickly and I almost 
died twice.  
 
I have become much more psychic.  My conscious awareness has expanded so 
much that I have become as aware of the emotional content of my past lives, 
and some significant details, as I am of the present.  
 
I had a fascinating dream in August '96 which I know was not a dream but a 
past life memory coming through.  I woke from this dream in a cold sweat 
and it has haunted me ever since. 
 
I dreamt that the man who triggered my Kundalini experience (I believe he 
might be my twin soul) was dressed as a Roman soldier.  He was kneeling 
down in front of my body because he was crucifying me.  I could read his 
thoughts in the dream.  He was justifying his actions.  He thought to 
himself:  "She is the king's daughter and she is being killed because she 
converted to Judaism.  She is crazy".  Then he wanted to stop me from 
screaming so he smothered me with something.  Next, he took a grayish flag 
made out of metal and hammered it into the top of the cross.  The flag had 
a Hebrew letter on it.  I woke up as I was staring at the letter and I 
cannot recall what it was.
 
I have a strong desire to research this dream by searching the bible on the 
Internet for the key words: "king", "daughter", "crucify or crucifixtion" 
and "Judaism".  But I have been actually afraid I might find out which 
king's daughter I was.  I know this was more than a dream.
 
In fact, when I met this man just prior to my "K" awakening, I had numerous 
experiences of feeling quite disoriented and physically unbalanced around 
him.  I fell down half a flight of stairs while walking in back of him 
once.  And I have had a strong desire to say to him:  "Please don't hurt 
me"  even though I do not feel threatened by him in this life.  I also have 
had strong desires to stab myself in the hands with sharp objects in his 
presence.  Now when I look at all these things together it becomes clear 
that he probably did crucify me once.
 
Does anyone know anything about twin souls.  I am especially interested in 
how they affect each other positive and negatively.  This man and I 
actually look alike and have other strange similarities.  I believe he did 
trigger my "K" experience or at least we went through some type of OOB 
experience together.
 
Dhyani  (Little Deer)  "Debbie"
 
 
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