1998/06/10  18:43  
 kundalini-l-d Digest V98 #448 
  
kundalini-l-d Digest				Volume 98 : Issue 448
 
Today's Topics: 
  Re: GUILT & PUNISHMENT - GET RID OF   [ "Magne Aga" <magneagaATnospammonet.no> ] 
  semantics...and the origin of myth??  [ "Sharon Webb" <shawebbATnospamyhc.edu> ] 
  posting suggestion...                 [ "Dan Margolis" <Dan_MargolisATnospamabm.co ] 
  Avatarinventory                       [ "jb" <hc19436ATnospamautovia.com> ] 
  Re: ENOUGH of the Avatar              [ Nancy <NancyATnospamwtp.net> ] 
  The opposite of love                  [ jenny.hillATnospammail.utexas.edu (Jenny) ] 
  Bandwidth reminder.. please pay atte  [ Mystress Angelique Serpent <serpent ] 
  Re: GUILT & PUNISHMENT - GET RID OF   [ Mystress Angelique Serpent <serpent ] 
  Re: GUILT & PUNISHMENT - GET RID OF   [ "Ed Arrons" <eeaATnospamaug.com> ] 
  a second to jenny's motion            [ "b bah" <happyhunaATnospamhotmail.com> ] 
  Re: Easy!                             [ "Ed Arrons" <eeaATnospamaug.com> ] 
  chakras                               [ "b bah" <happyhunaATnospamhotmail.com> ] 
  Re: posting suggestion...             [ "Paul West" <paulATnospamstationone.demon. ] 
  Atuning                               [ "Paul West" <paulATnospamstationone.demon. ] 
Date: Thu, 11 Jun 1998 00:33:11 +0200 
From: "Magne Aga" <magneagaATnospammonet.no> 
To: "Paul West" <paulATnospamstationone.demon.co.uk>, <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com> 
Subject: Re: GUILT & PUNISHMENT - GET RID OF THE CONCEPT ! 
Message-Id: <199806102337.AAA03711ATnospamumbukta.monet.no> 
 
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> From: Paul West <paulATnospamstationone.demon.co.uk> 
> To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com 
> Subject: Re: GUILT & PUNISHMENT - GET RID OF THE CONCEPT ! 
> Date: Wednesday, June 10, 1998 9:45 PM 
>  
>  
> Yea. I theorised about a year or two ago that there is only degrees of 
> love. Right at the bottom in `hell' there is a thinned/compressed 
> love, but it is still love, but then everything from thereon up is an 
> imporovement. Ie, not to look down on it from above, but up from 
> below. Maybe that's still ego though.
 
There doesn't exist any dark night of the soul. The truth is that there's 
only very little light there. Consider the symbolism in the fact that 
during the crucifiction of Jesus (the pearls diving into the Abyss), all 
the disciples *slept*. All chakras was inactive, expect one: The Love 
Chakra, symbolized by John as the sole   witness. 
  
> I still think that basic universal laws apply at ALL levels. For 
> example, ALWAYS you see yourself. Regardless of wether you are 
> projecting major ego or glimpsing heaven, you always see yourself. 
> There is only self. Major universal law. Man made in the image of God 
> - the macro and micro levels, but still essentially self.
 
Again, God never punish and can never do. Man punish himself by trying to 
circumvent Universal Laws. The Law is the Love ! Ever considered the 
coinciding similarity in these words spellings ? They are Yang and Yin. 
Therefore, project to mankind: Stop punishing yourself ! Your little ego is 
allready forgiven by your Self. Love Your Self for having forgiven your 
self. The Self in the criminal, is just as Divine as the Self in Jesus / 
Sananda, or his teacher Maitreya. None is an expection from the Law. None 
is an expection from the undconditional Love. 
Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 19:15:34 -0400 
From: "Sharon Webb" <shawebbATnospamyhc.edu> 
To: <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com> 
Subject: semantics...and the origin of myth??? 
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Hi,
 
Remember Washoe?  She was the chimp who learned sign language and who called 
a water melon "drink fruit."  Washoe, who is thirty-two now, adopted a chimp 
son named Loolis.  She taught him to sign, too.
 
Living in the home of their keepers, the two apes have observed holidays 
with great interest.  Washoe and Loolis have agreed on the names of those 
holidays.  Thanksgiving, to them, is "Bird Meat"; Christmas is "Candy Tree."
 
Washoe and Loolis communicate with each other with great precision and no 
apparent argument.
 
Neither claim to be avatars.
 
:-)
 
Love, 
Sharon 
shawebbATnospamyhc.edu 
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Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 15:45:51 -0700 
From: "Dan Margolis" <Dan_MargolisATnospamabm.com> 
To: paulATnospamstationone.demon.co.uk 
cc: Kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com 
Subject: posting suggestion... 
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>How come I now feel more relaxed than when I started? That's not 
>normal. That's not what I expected.
 
It seems that you have discovered that by writing things down you have a 
way of releasing them.  I often find catharsis/relaxation when I write in 
my private journal about experiences and realizations.  I sensed this from 
you very long continous posts that have been appearing.
 
As a suggestion to aide your awakening process and to cut down on bandwith 
occupied on the mailing list:  keep a daily journal.  Write down everything 
that you've been posting these thoughts and experiences and exciting events 
in your life.  This will help you process everything.  Then pause.  You've 
written down the realization let it settle and let experiences come.  Learn 
from the writing and the experiencing process.  Finally after 2 to 3 days 
have passed re-read the journal and decide what you would like to post of 
it.  Ask the questions that are still there... Share the crux of the 
experience if it's still as exciting.  Eventually you'll discover which 
experiences are subjectively exciting(exciting to you), objectively 
exciting(exciting to everybody on the list), and universal(most people have 
gone through it.)
 
I especially appreciated your brief posts with questions as opposed to your 
long expository posts.
 
 
On the issue of ego and size of ego I wouldn't worry too much...  If I 
remember correctly from an earlier post you are around age 19.  This is a 
very important time in ego development, when you are developing a sense of 
who you are and separation from your parents(at least in American society, 
I'm not sure about the UK but it probably holds).  If I remember a teaching 
correctly until about age 30 much of your energy will be spent building a 
sense of self.  This is natural and biological.  I'm still going through 
this myself.  The secret is not to fight with your ego or to attempt to 
crush it, you don't have the life experience, the practice or the tools yet 
to do this.  Instead, try to watch it, observe it, see when it manifests, 
guide it, mold it and not let things get too out of hand.  Later I think it 
will be a little easier.
 
  Dan M. 
Date: Thu, 11 Jun 1998 00:37:55 +0100 
From: "jb" <hc19436ATnospamautovia.com> 
To: <kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com> 
Subject: Avatarinventory 
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Dear Kundalites,
 
Regarding the "use" of the word avatar, many companies have their own 
definition, a search will reveal hundreds of entries (I stopped at 1664, 
some are using the classical meaning). A few examples:
 
http://www2.magmacom.com/~gerryp/howtoav.html
 
http://www.avatar-moving.com/
 
http://www.avatar.nl/eng/agenda/avatar.html
 
http://www.avatartech.com/
 
http://www.avatarsearch.com/
 
http://www.avatar.co.uk/beta.htm
 
So the addition of just another use / definition can't be that important. It 
is like the use of a double name - extra typing. The Indian community here 
named many of their shops with the word guru, like Satguru electronics or 
Satguru tax-free shop. If they are using this word to name a shop, aren't we 
trying to be holier than the pope himself?
 
Jan 
Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 17:43:18 -0600 
From: Nancy <NancyATnospamwtp.net> 
To: kundalini-1 <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com> 
Subject: Re: ENOUGH of the Avatar 
Message-ID: <357F1A12.24D68EE3ATnospamwtp.net> 
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I've been patiently reading and deleting these posts from and about 
Avatar Thyer. My conclussion...who the hell really cares what this guy 
calls himself? Angelique likes to call herself the serpent, Ed is known 
as the lobster, I seem to remember a guy a while back who called himself 
the ox. No one seems to have a problem with these words.
 
People aren't sending mountains of email to lobster asking him if he is 
under some sort of delusion. "Yo, Ed, you may be a bit rosy and crusty, 
but buddy, if you can type, you ain't no lobster."
 
Why does Avatar Thyer have to conform with "dictionary" definitions? Why 
does it have to be a big ego thing? If it makes sense to him, just 
f*ATnospam&ing accept it! Jeez!
 
Avatar Thyer, I appreciate that you can express yourself and not be 
thwarted by peer pressure. I'm going to take your lead on this post and 
sign off as...
 
The Lord of All Creation, 
Nancy 
Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 19:21:56 -0500 
From: jenny.hillATnospammail.utexas.edu (Jenny) 
To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com 
Subject: The opposite of love 
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Hi Magne Aga--
 
I think maybe the opposite of love is fear.... and fear is the moment in 
which love is forgotten.
 
By the way, I haven't had time lately to respond to your posts in the 
detail I would've like to.... I just wanted to take this opportunity to say 
that I really enjoy readign your posts and hearing what you have to say.
 
Someone referred to you as being male, for some reason I had been thinking 
you were a woman... I'm sorry to say I don't know for sure which gender you 
are... would you mind enlightening me on this subject?
 
thanks
 
Jenny 
> 
>Very nicely said, West. I do not think anyone can tell me what is the 
>OPPOSITE of Love. 
> 
> 
>------------------------------ 
Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 17:13:05 -0700 
From: Mystress Angelique Serpent <serpentATnospamdomin8rex.com> 
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com 
Subject: Bandwidth reminder.. please pay attention.. 
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  Hello All: 
    It is not yet evening where I am at, and already the list's abundance 
today has overflowed 5 digests..  we have been running 4 digests a day all 
week.  
  That's about 160k so far today.. and the day is not yet over.. 
   too  much, eh??  
  So I deleted some of the posts I had written to send..  
  I invite you all to do the same.  
    Blessings, List Mystress. 
Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 16:56:36 -0700 
From: Mystress Angelique Serpent <serpentATnospamdomin8rex.com> 
To: "Magne Aga" <magneagaATnospammonet.no> 
Cc: "Paul West" <paulATnospamstationone.demon.co.uk>, <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com> 
Subject: Re: GUILT & PUNISHMENT - GET RID OF THE CONCEPT ! 
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At 12:08 AM 11/06/98 +0200, Magne Aga wrote: 
> 
>Very nicely said, West. I do not think anyone can tell me what is the 
>OPPOSITE of Love. 
>  
  The opposite of love is not hatred, anger, spite or fear.. these are 
passionate emotions..  
  The opposite of love is apathy.  
     Blessings, Mystress.
 
> 
> 
> 
Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 20:52:00 -0400 
From: "Ed Arrons" <eeaATnospamaug.com> 
To: "Magne Aga" <magneagaATnospammonet.no>, 
 "Mystress Angelique Serpent" <serpentATnospamdomin8rex.com> 
Cc: "Paul West" <paulATnospamstationone.demon.co.uk>, <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com> 
Subject: Re: GUILT & PUNISHMENT - GET RID OF THE CONCEPT ! 
Message-Id: <199806110052.UAA10002ATnospamsandia.aug.com> 
 
Love, per se, is just an ideal abstraction.  Love manifests uniquely  
in each person according to their own uniqueness and  pattern of 
development.  Thus, I would think, the opposite of 'love', in any meaningful 
sense, is also unique and changeable in each person. 
 
Smiley :-) 
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From: Mystress Angelique Serpent <serpentATnospamdomin8rex.com> 
Magne Aga wrote: 
> 
>Very nicely said, West. I do not think anyone can tell me what is the 
>OPPOSITE of Love. 
>  
  The opposite of love is not hatred, anger, spite or fear.. these are 
passionate emotions..  
  The opposite of love is apathy.  
     Blessings, Mystress. 
Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 18:03:59 PDT 
From: "b bah" <happyhunaATnospamhotmail.com> 
To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com 
Subject: a second to jenny's motion 
Message-ID: <19980611010359.26982.qmailATnospamhotmail.com> 
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YES!!! JENNY!                         
  i knew all along i couldn't possibly be the only one annoyed at  
rereading 4, 5, maybe occasionally 6 times what felt like entire posts  
verbatim. thank you jenny. 
     semi-(demi?) lurker who has been put in her place 
  .                       barb (w/o the "i")
 
 
 
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Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 21:20:59 -0400 
From: "Ed Arrons" <eeaATnospamaug.com> 
To: "Paul West" <paulATnospamstationone.demon.co.uk>, <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com> 
Subject: Re: Easy! 
Message-Id: <199806110121.VAA24956ATnospamsandia.aug.com> 
 
Dear Avatar Paul,  
 As i mentioned in a previous note, I read all your posts and  
take you more seriously then you may suppose. I do believe you  
are grossly misunderstood by a number of people.  
 
 What I see in your writing is a minute description of the  
*hidden* thoughts we all  might think, but cannot see or admit  
exist. As I said before much observation of your ego is not an ego  
manifestation, but awareness coming from a higher source looking 
at the ego.   Perhaps it is not consistent and may require some effort 
to achieve consistency...which is my own praxis...but I sure am glad  
you did not leave the list.  You have much to teach Avatar Paul. 
 
Smiley :-) 
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Avatar Paul West wrote: 
I have to admit that my ego is a nightmare. I am a nightmare. I love 
ease. I am so lazy. I would rather have others decide things for me, 
and they'd better make a decision I like! I find it so easy to write 
stuff. But, for some reason, it is all crap. How unfortuante, that I 
am so competent. I am so up for the good life - ideal peopls, ideal 
circumstances. It is, in fact, so easy for me to speak and write, it 
is astounding. And yet, nothing I say seems to be real nor 
demonstrates humility. No wonder I never really knew what that word 
meant.
 
I am complacent, and not the slightest bit greatful. I don't say 
please or thankyou or hello or goodbuy. I manipulate everything to 
suit myself and try to induce others to entertain my ideals. How lovel 
that I find things so easy, so able, so plenty-gifted with 
competativeness. Nice of God to give me such wonderful ease. Not.
 
On the other hand, there is another nightmare. Love is distant and 
obscure. I don't know how to give. I am uptight and stubborn and lost 
in the past. Reality seems horrifying just as much as is my 
non-reality. I can't exist with or without. I am at a loss. There is 
no way out. Nowhere to turn. A sabotaged lonelyness.
 
It is so easy for me to put things into words, those `higher states', 
those `wisdoms'. So easily I express. But at the same time, it's all 
crap. All a pile of poop. It has no meaning, no power. So empty. I get 
inflated with emptyness sometimes, makes me feel like I'm squashed 
inside myself. I can't put anything wise of humble down on paper or 
say it with me mouth because it's too hard.
 
Oh such is the bliss of things being easy. A man of leisure. Entertain 
me with what I want you to look like! Sitting on my arse stuffing 
my face waiting for someone else to sort out my affairs. Rose tinted 
glasses, deep, deep dark rose tinted glasses. Everything is rose 
coloured. Or maybe red, like hell. But it is impossibly hard being 
like this, and yet the alternative seems impossibly hard also. This is 
a nightmare!
 
I am posessive, and obsessive, and deceptive. Lots of I've, lots of 
things that `I've become. I've never had it so good! Or so bad. I want 
it better! I am so... promiscuous with myself. A tart. Vain and 
selfish. I care about what other people think and feel... about me. I 
want answers, I seek them always. I have nearly got it figured out 
now, I have nearly got it all sewn up. I know how it all works. It's 
so easy for me to see all of this. That way things are.
 
Why can't I just look upon things like a man instead of a child. I'm 
unprepared to have badness in my world. So unhuman, so rejecting of 
humanity or interaction with it. Eugh, yuck, horrible people, ugly and 
cheap and disorderly. That's me, that is.
 
How come I now feel more relaxed than when I started? That's not 
normal. That's not what I expected.
 
-- 
Paul. 
Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 18:34:29 PDT 
From: "b bah" <happyhunaATnospamhotmail.com> 
To: thyerATnospamfreenet.grfn.org 
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com 
Subject: chakras 
Message-ID: <19980611013429.4443.qmailATnospamhotmail.com> 
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  hi,                                                                        
i can.t remember where i read it, but someone , this year i believe,  
wrote about chakra no. 41/2. if i remember correctly the writer said it  
was on the right side of the chest. well mine is on the left side of my  
chest, over approx. 11/2 in. from where the heart chakra is supposed to  
be. i have felt it open many times., can also feel the chakra above my  
head , the entrance to heart chakra between my shoulder blades, and very  
weird the one in the air behind it. 
      i hope others respond telling you their experiences also. 
 'loha, barb
 
 
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Date: 11 Jun 98 01:28:52 +0000 
From: "Paul West" <paulATnospamstationone.demon.co.uk> 
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com 
Subject: Re: posting suggestion... 
Message-Id: <357F32D3.MD-0.196.paulATnospamstationone.demon.co.uk> 
 
Dan,
 
> >How come I now feel more relaxed than when I started? That's not 
> >normal. That's not what I expected. 
>  
> It seems that you have discovered that by writing things down you have a 
> way of releasing them.
 
Much to everyone else's peril, this has always been the case.
 
> I often find catharsis/relaxation when I write in 
> my private journal about experiences and realizations.  I sensed this from 
> you very long continous posts that have been appearing.
 
Yes. My long writing is a competitive thing. But it also makes it 
easier for me to reflect on things. I'm very reflective, 
contemplative. I usually read through everything I write at least 
once, if not to check spelling then to just take in what I've written 
and to try and make it better. Mystress Angelique was a little quick 
to think that I did otherwise. :) I am the sort of person who becomes 
empathic with things, /understands/, ie becomes mediumistic of, shares 
in the experience of things. I can't help but do it. Maybe it is a 
barrier problem. All the same, I therefore find myself trying to see 
myself in others, trying to see the things that are beautiful about me 
in others, and so have a tendency to have to receive my comprehension 
from the outside inwards, given by others. Hense the ease in which 
that which is inside of me equates to that which is outside of me. I 
don't /express/ myself, I reflect on myself. Expression is aggression 
to me. I like to see the truth of myself in other people, in other 
things. I have this attitude towards everything. People, nature, 
words, imagination.
 
> As a suggestion to aide your awakening process and to cut down on bandwith
 
;)
 
> occupied on the mailing list:  keep a daily journal.  Write down everything 
> that you've been posting these thoughts and experiences and exciting events 
> in your life.  This will help you process everything.
 
My psychological reality is that I do tend to use mailing lists, chat 
echo's, IRC channels, whatever, as such a place. A living diary in a 
way. I know other people find it annoying, but we're not supposed to 
be seperate people anyway are we? If we're at-one..
 
> from the writing and the experiencing process.  Finally after 2 to 3 days 
> have passed re-read the journal and decide what you would like to post of 
> it.  Ask the questions that are still there... Share the crux of the 
> experience if it's still as exciting.
 
I could do this. But I don't see it likely happening. That sounds like 
a very physical way of going about things, in the sense that a person 
would have to be seperate of physicality in order to relate to it in 
that way. I am atuned with things, I am sympathetic of things, 
understanding, empathic, mediumistic, as I said before. I do not feel 
the same way about physicality. I do not feel very seperate of it. I 
feel differently depending on my environment. I adapt. I don't know if 
people can understand this, what it's like, and therefore how valid or 
righteous it is or isn't. But I do not feel like a physical 
individual.
 
> I especially appreciated your brief posts with questions as opposed to your 
> long expository posts.
 
More to come. 
  
> On the issue of ego and size of ego I wouldn't worry too much...  If I 
> remember correctly from an earlier post you are around age 19.
 
I am 23. But what you went on to say still applies.
 
-- 
Paul.
 
IRC: #amiga, Dalnet: #blitz 
WWW: http://www.stationone.demon.co.uk 
E-M: paulATnospamstationone.demon.co.uk 
Date: 11 Jun 98 02:41:28 +0000 
From: "Paul West" <paulATnospamstationone.demon.co.uk> 
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com 
Subject: Atuning 
Message-Id: <357F3FB5.MD-0.196.paulATnospamstationone.demon.co.uk> 
 
:
 
To me, people of the world are very seperate. Their relationship with 
the world seems to be on a very outward, physical level. Either this 
seperation is my projection or a detatched view of theirs.
 
Somewhere in the equation one of us is seperated from the rest. People 
seem to have definite boundaries as to where they stop and the other 
person starts. I do not. I call this being atuned. It is not without 
its problems.
 
Sitting alone, on a hill, away from civilisation, just being there, 
comes naturally to me. I don't do anything while I'm there. Somebody 
comes along with their "that's a tree, that's a bush" attitude, 
spoiling it all, spoiling the peace, the serenity, the simple being, 
with their `long term plans' and their careers and massive physical 
accumulations. I call this being out-of-tune. Their non-atunement is 
frightening.
 
To me, people out-of-tune treat the world as something seperate of 
themselves. Nothing is sacred to them. They want careers, to earn lots 
of money, to have a big house and car, to be entertained and respected 
based on their career-status. This means nothing to me. It is 
offensive. It is like part of the whole is lashing out at itself. Why 
aren't they atuned? Why aren't they one? Why do they seem righteous? 
Why do they take /so/ long beating around the bush to arrive at 
nothing much at all?
 
Physicality to them is like something they don't know. It's something 
to exploit, something to serve them. They have so much self, it 
frightens me when they come along and disturb everything. They are so 
uncalm, so ill-at-ease. They are thrill-seekers, risk-takers, 
demanders of relationship at a physical level. What of the 
relationship that is oneness, that is being, that is atunement or 
at-onement?
 
They are so convincing, with their command of the world. They use and 
abuse their bodies without effort. They are complacent with 
themselves. They have no faith. They are loud and rude and 
self-oriented. They are seperate, individual packages. I do not and 
cannot feel this way. I am not as self conscious as they. I am not so 
much a seperate individual as they. They are fragmented. They are 
selfish.
 
I do not understand the supposed meaningfulness of their extensive 
vocabulary and terminology. I am simple. I do not go through life in 
the same way that they do, in which everything is a big physical 
hurdle. Their hurdles to me are /huge/, tremendously external, and not 
terribly necessary. They are impractical, unwise, unkind. They are not 
at all gentle, they do not distinguish lust from love.
 
I am vulnerable to their attack. I have no defence. I have no shield 
or barrier of self to fend them off. But they seem so solid, so 
`there', so much a finite part, and I seem so undefined, so here, so 
whole. They have no common-unity, no joy, no appreciation of beauty. 
And what's the big deal with them about words? They must think me 
clumsy with the words they have so aptly defined. What of simplicity? 
Is simplicity only a brand of sanitary towel?
 
They expect answers, they demand them. They force them out of you with 
their assertions and suggestions. They suggest that you are 
something and you are it. They are irresponsible. They use words to 
say something and yet psychologically are something else. And their 
psyche is so much more offensive with its self-orientation. They live 
life to the full, and yet they are dead-weight. They are cut off from 
each other. They go through years of unnecessary `relationship' rarely 
to arrive at anything you could call love or freedom or 
non-attatchment. They are so clingy to each other, such owners of the 
physical.
 
They don't own it. Nobody does. Why do they come along and spoil it 
all? Why do they do that? It's not very nice. They have no awareness 
of nature at all. A tree is `just a tree', a bush is `just a bush', 
just paraphenalia in their lives, dead. They are so violent, so 
physical, so locked in the physical way of being. There is no 
intuition, no intelligence, no insight, no wisdom, no love, no tact, 
no compassion. Their self has no virtue, no meaning.
 
Sitting on the hill, wind gentle, sun warm, I had to leave. Repulsed 
by the attention-seeking motorbike kids who just arrived to see how 
well to churn up the ground. Huhuhu, so funny. Not. What are they that 
they have no union with the earth? What are they that man-made things 
are more important?
 
Such are the demands, the demand to be `a productive member of 
society'. The demand to have a social life? A social death moreso. How 
can lifting a pint in a pub with a mate be relationship when they are 
completely seperate people? How can bickering with a private chosen 
other half be relationship? What of everyone else that is excluded? 
People have become a plague, a disease, and when they are near I am as 
them and feel the disease also. And it is horrible, sad, loathing. I 
cannot shut them out. I cannot put up walls of self. So they trample, 
and I see why they trample, and I feel sad for them just as for me, 
because the two are one.
 
This is what it is like to be atuned, to be fundamentally less defined 
as a self than the rest of humanity. This is what it is like to be as 
of a collectivity. This is what it is like to be subject to the 
irresponsibility of others. This is life. I would ask that there be 
understanding. Sometimes people do not realise that I simply have to 
use the same language, the same words, to talk with them. It does not 
mean I exist with the same level of self, the same degree of defining 
walls, the same seperation from the one. I ache for this not to be 
replaced with how it sounds on their ultra-physical, ultra-seperation 
level.
 
What of ther civilisation? What of techology and science that is never 
satisfied? They advance in the name of time and in the name of removal 
from what is. They take so long to grow, such time to find themself. 
Their priorities are all different, all wrong. A car is more important 
than a person. A house is more important than food for the needy.
 
There is no humanity in them, no sense of the fullness of what it is 
to be human, to accept all levels, to be transcendent. They would not 
touch a lepper. They have no holisticity in their lives. No 
synchronicity, no guidance, no intuition, no meaning, no purpose.
 
"We're only alive once so make the most of it" they say. In other 
words exploit it to the full and bleed it dry because they are unaware 
of the eternal. What's the rush? What's the hurry? What's the panick? 
Everything is such a big deal to them, and that for them is natural. I 
am not like that to that degree.
 
They go places, they have their `career success', they become things, 
become status and position. They spend all their life becoming things, 
moving away from where they are. Where are they going? Why do I sense 
desertion from them when they go unnecessarily? Truth is here, in the 
atuning with the universe. They have such ambition, such will, such 
confusion. They are complacent with their securities. What if things 
change? They could not adapt. It would shatter them. Extinction would 
meet them.
 
Atune. 
Atone.
 
-- 
Paul.
 
IRC: #amiga, Dalnet: #blitz 
WWW: http://www.stationone.demon.co.uk 
E-M: paulATnospamstationone.demon.co.uk
 
 
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