1998/06/09 15:06
kundalini-l-d Digest V98 #441
kundalini-l-d Digest Volume 98 : Issue 441
Today's Topics:
The Navel Chakra and the Hara Point [ Avatar Thyer <thyerATnospamfreenet.grfn.or ]
The feet question [ amckeonATnospamhsmail.nfld.k12.mn.us ]
Ideology [ "Paul West" <paulATnospamstationone.demon. ]
To corrupt beauty [ "Paul West" <paulATnospamstationone.demon. ]
Re: Ideology [ John Heaton <CttlemanATnospampsbnewton.com ]
Self-Realization and the Heart (was [ Harsha1MTMATnospamaol.com ]
Re: The feet question [ Ann Morrison Fisher <annfisherATnospamstic ]
Full Moon 6/10 [ Ann Morrison Fisher <annfisherATnospamstic ]
Something's bothering me... Help! [ Adon <shamaneyesATnospamyahoo.com> ]
our very own avatar needs translatin [ Kathy <deliriumATnospamfull-moon.com> ]
Re: 'av an avatar ever after . . . ( [ "Lobster" <lobsterATnospamdial.pipex.com> ]
Re: Something's bothering me... Help [ "Rick Puravs" <ric51ATnospamgeorge.lhi.net ]
Re: our very own avatar needs transl [ Avatar Thyer <thyerATnospamfreenet.grfn.or ]
To Sing - a metaphor [ "Paul West" <paulATnospamstationone.demon. ]
Re: Ideology [ Avatar Thyer <thyerATnospamfreenet.grfn.or ]
Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 15:01:42 -0400
From: Avatar Thyer <thyerATnospamfreenet.grfn.org>
To: "janpa tsomo" <j_tsomoATnospamhotmail.com>, kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: The Navel Chakra and the Hara Point
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Greetings.
Janpa Tsomo wrote:
>Is the 'hara' in Ch'an buddhism/martial arts the same as the navel
>chakra?
*****
I think that they are indeed the same -- but perhaps someone who has access
to that information can post the traditional purposes of both the navel
chakra and the hara. Perhaps then we could examine the descriptions and
see if there are significant differences.
I AM
Avatar Thyer
****************************
A NOTE FROM SPIRIT
I clarify aspects of the Self that I AM using mediums. This letter
clarifies some of My aspects using the medium of language. This letter is
a revelation of My perspective as the particular individual who wrote it.
Your perspective as the individualization that you are -- your perspective
as the individualization of that which I AM -- may differ.
****************************
Date: Tue, 9 Jun 1998 14:08:37 -0600
From: amckeonATnospamhsmail.nfld.k12.mn.us
To: "janpa tsomo" <j_tsomoATnospamhotmail.com>
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: The feet question
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>and no one answered my feet question either...why does full lotus cause
>a energy-upward sensation? weird....
>
>--janpa
I get this sensation too, but I don't meditate.... so I can't relate to
"full lotus"...For me it seems to be hormonal... I get energy rushes from
the soles of my feet during sex... And smaller tingles during certain
phases of my personal month, just sitting at my computer, etc.....I once
had an urge to stick my hands into the soles of my feet... as if there were
deep creases there... it gives me chills and an energy rush right up to my
head just thinking about it...
amckeon
(someone had to answer... even if it's the wrong answer...)
Date: 9 Jun 98 20:29:33 +0000
From: "Paul West" <paulATnospamstationone.demon.co.uk>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Ideology
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:
I would like to ask, is bliss an ideology?
I would also like to ask, what does a hatred of chaos mean?
--
Paul.
IRC: #amiga, Dalnet: #blitz
WWW: http://www.stationone.demon.co.uk
E-M: paulATnospamstationone.demon.co.uk
Date: 9 Jun 98 20:41:01 +0000
From: "Paul West" <paulATnospamstationone.demon.co.uk>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: To corrupt beauty
Message-Id: <357D9DDD.MD-0.196.paulATnospamstationone.demon.co.uk>
:
I would like to ask, if when ego catches sight of something truly
beautiful, it will go to even greater measures to ensure it becomes
corrupt - to desire it? Does the presence of tremendous ego indicate a
wealthy `food source'?
--
Paul.
IRC: #amiga, Dalnet: #blitz
WWW: http://www.stationone.demon.co.uk
E-M: paulATnospamstationone.demon.co.uk
Date: Tue, 09 Jun 1998 15:02:09 -0500
From: John Heaton <CttlemanATnospampsbnewton.com>
To: Paul West <paulATnospamstationone.demon.co.uk>
CC: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Ideology
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Paul West wrote:
>
> :
>
> I would like to ask, is bliss an ideology?
The concept is, the experience is not.
>
> I would also like to ask, what does a hatred of chaos mean?
It is the basis of ego.
Boy, when you edit, you REALLY edit! :)
>
> --
> Paul.
>
> IRC: #amiga, Dalnet: #blitz
> WWW: http://www.stationone.demon.co.uk
> E-M: paulATnospamstationone.demon.co.uk
Date: Tue, 9 Jun 1998 16:11:00 EDT
From: Harsha1MTMATnospamaol.com
To: keutzerATnospameecs.berkeley.edu, AfperryATnospamaol.com
Cc: Kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com, hc19436ATnospamautovia.com
Subject: Self-Realization and the Heart (was Upanishads, Heart and Shakti)
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In a message dated 6/8/1998 1:59:20 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
keutzerATnospameecs.berkeley.edu writes:
<< Thanks for including me in the discussion. Sorry it has taken a while to
respond.
As far as I can tell there are the following positions.
Those who feel that the Self/ultimate nature has no locus and in fact
cannot be localized.
Those who feel that the Self/ultimate-nature has no locus, but may be
most easily realized in a particular location.
>>
Harsha: Any statement about the experience of the Self or Reality can only be
from the point of view of the individual and implies duality. Some point of
reference is implicit in
any such perspective out of sheer necessity due to the mode of communication
using
language. Heart seems to be often mentioned as a point of reference for the
"experience" of Self-Realization. Sahasarara is as well. Ramana Maharshi
often talked about the Spiritual Heart on the right and carefully
distinguished it from Anahata. That is my experience as well. My feeling is
that the Upanishads are referring to the Spiritual Heart as everything else
including Anahata, Sahasarara, etc., exist in That only. But regardless of
the location emphasized in various traditions, it should be clear that Self-
Recognition itself (Original Nature or Reality) admits of no point of
reference and cannot have a locus. It might be viewed as an experience and as
a non-experience and as that which forms the foundation of such.
The Self denotes Fullness of Awareness without thought or doubt. To indicate
it one must rely on stories or examples. Aspirants meditate to know the
Truth. The Truth is One's Own Nature. At some point the Self which appears
to be hazy is known to be the Supreme Clarity which shines forth as Pure
Being. It is Pure Knowing prior to entrance of thought. For example, In the
morning when I look at my face for shaving, I do not say to myself, "Look,
there you are! See!" Or "That is Harsha's face - How handsome and charming"!
Such thoughts do not enter my mind. I simply "Know" it is my face and there
is instant recognition and so I go about the business of shaving. Now if I
were to look in the mirror and see a monkey or an ape it would be
different:--).
Date: Tue, 9 Jun 1998 15:14:11 -0500
From: Ann Morrison Fisher <annfisherATnospamstic.net>
To: Kundalini <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Re: The feet question
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>>and no one answered my feet question either...why does full lotus cause
>>a energy-upward sensation? weird....
>>
>>--janpa
>
>I get this sensation too, but I don't meditate.... so I can't relate to
>"full lotus"...For me it seems to be hormonal... I get energy rushes from
>the soles of my feet during sex... And smaller tingles during certain
>phases of my personal month, just sitting at my computer, etc.....I once
>had an urge to stick my hands into the soles of my feet... as if there were
>deep creases there... it gives me chills and an energy rush right up to my
>head just thinking about it...
>
>amckeon
>(someone had to answer... even if it's the wrong answer...)
There are energy centers in the feet, as in the hands. In the feet the
energy comes upward from the tops of the feet; in the hands it comes from
the palms. Some people feel the K. coming clear from the toes, through the
feet and on up. Tingles, small pains, and itches can be little nadis
opening wider. Little bits of related info... But as for full lotus, I
have no experience - my knees won't take it.
Love,
Ann
Date: Tue, 9 Jun 1998 15:15:34 -0500
From: Ann Morrison Fisher <annfisherATnospamstic.net>
To: Kundalini <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Full Moon 6/10
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The Full Moon of Gemini will be exact on June 10 at 4:18 am GMT (12:18 am
EDT). The full moon is the culmination or climax of the monthly cycle.
Energies are very high, and it's the best time of the month to meditate. A
good focus for meditation would be the Sabian symbol for the degree of Moon
or Sun - or Mercury, which will be with the Sun.
If you would like to receive the Sabian symbols for all the planets with
comments on the Full Moon horoscope, especially in regard to its meaning
for the planet Earth, and/or a copy of the chart itself, drop me an email.
Date: Tue, 9 Jun 1998 13:25:37 -0700 (PDT)
From: Adon <shamaneyesATnospamyahoo.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Something's bothering me... Help!
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To all my respected teachers,
I have been trying to tackle an issue for quite some time now. I am
involved in a beautiful relationship. My being pounds fiercely with
love when even an image of her flashes in my mind´s eye. We have
every intention of marriage. At the same time, calling even more
powerfully, profoundly, is Shakti. Hers is a call I will not ignore.
When K awakened within me, and began clearing the blocks in my sex
chakra, I experienced such a huge increase in sexual desire. My
knowledge of K was minimal, and me and my partner enjoyed ourselves.
Now, thanks to all the posts steeped in wisdom, and reading (I´ve just
finished Autobiography of a Yogi, excellent!!!), and introspection, I
now know that sexual energy is a driving force behind K and it´s trip
up to the higher chakras. Sex to climax diverts the Shakti down
towards physical pleasure. It is wasteful to one attempting to speed
his spiritual evolution.
So I told my girlfriend that I cherish every experience we´ve shared
together. I told her of my intentions to lesson our sexual activity.
I also told her that there is a possibility it may cease completely,
save for child-bearing reasons. She told me that she would remain by
my side regardless (I wonder if she believes me?). The thought of a
non-abundant sex life does not appeal to her though, this I know.
But recently, the urge to know Self and raise K has grown 11-fold. It
is the guide in front and the demon in back. It leads me with
flawless wisdom. I find now that I´m considering not getting married
more and more. Not for any illusory "fault" in my girlfriend. She
is centered in the material, and I love her dearly. A healthy, sexual
relationship is very important to her and I want her to be happy and
fulfilled. Sometimes I think that the married life would distract me
from the goal of Self-realization that I so deeply yearn for.
It pains me greatly to think of her in anguish. Our love has reached
mountainous peaks. She is the warm mother who holds my head in her
lap and soothes me when Kundalini is raging free. I don´t want to let
her go, because she said she "couldn´t bear it to speak with me" if I
ever left her. I´ll cherish her forever, but now I want to know All
in the lap of Cosmic Consciousness.
Is she just another "attachment"?? Even in such love that we share?
Am I crazy for even thinking about throwing her to the wind? (I just
hope the wind catches her and sets her someplace safe). Your advice
is appreciated.
Thanks,
Adon
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Date: Tue, 09 Jun 1998 15:27:45 +0100
From: Kathy <deliriumATnospamfull-moon.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: our very own avatar needs translating...
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...so, out of the kindness of mine own heart and in the interest of enlightenment of all list-beings, I'm volunteering.
Hey, some of us need all the help we can get! Here goes:
AT wrote:
> I consider explaning as clarifying *comprehension* (whether to self or to
> others), rather than imparting *understanding*. For me, understanding is experiencing, while comprehending is ordering
> through conceptualizing.
AT meant:
When I explain something, I am trying to make my own points clearer to me or to you, not to make you understand me. I gotta internalize something as an experience to understand it. To me, comprehension means simply puttin' things in a clearer, logical way.
(How'm I doin?) and...
> A NOTE FROM SPIRIT
> I clarify aspects of the Self that I AM using mediums. This letter clarifies some of My aspects using the medium of language. This letter is a revelation of My perspective as the particular individual who wrote it. Your perspective as the individualization that you are -- your perspective as the individualization of that which I AM -- may differ.
AT meant:
That AT is a spiritual being who wrote this to communicate "the self that I AM" clearly. Sometimes AT writes, sometimes AT uses other media. Whatever though, this is how the individual I call Avatar Theyer sees stuff. You might see stuff differently than I do.
okay...seriously, dear AT...There are lots of ways to share your opinions and your knowledge, and we all have different ways of expressing ourselves. Sometimes, however, the *apparent tone* of a post comes across a whole lot clearer than the content...I don't know why this happens, but it does. And I'm one of those who thinks that your posts seem a bit
too lofty, too complicated in the language, and perhaps that's why you come across to a few of us as egotistical, more-enlightened-than-thou...in fact your posts mostly read like dry textbooks I had to read in college...
Which is not to say that you are or aren't sincere, enlightened, or whatever...it's just to point out that in the electronic world sometimes simplicity is clearer than overexplaining things with way-technical and way-too-many words. IMO, your attempt at clarification is simply more confusing...
But then again, I could be wrong. Maybe my *own* posts come across as incomprehensible to some on this list...I dunno. Just a thought though, if you can communicate in a simpler, briefer, friendlier fashion it might help *our* comprehension and our understanding of what you're tryin' to say. I don't *think* I'm projecting my own stuff here?
Bright Blessings, whatever...
...possibly a total dunderhead but sayin' this stuff anyway!...Delirium
Date: Mon, 8 Jun 1998 21:48:33 +0100
From: "Lobster" <lobsterATnospamdial.pipex.com>
To: <a.lloydATnospamnetmatters.co.uk>, "Kundalini - L" <kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com>
Subject: Re: 'av an avatar ever after . . . (Lobster)
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>Greetings.
And Lo! He that was called simply Avatar (and know brethern thou too art
Avatars - therefore there be no meaning in this term) did greet us in our
own tongue. And we were amazed. Yea, unto the third generation.
>Since you consider my definitions to be irrelevant -- and since the nature
>of this medium (written language) requires the use of words that cause
>confusion to be clarified for clear communication to occur -- then you are
>telling me that rather than being interested in comprehending what I
>actually mean, you are interested in simply presenting your perspective of
>what I mean.
>
>And that is okay. You may share any perspective of my words that you want.
And we were given permission to interpret his words (for we too were
Avatars). For he came amongst us and was wise and we rejected his wisdom.
For has it not been written, 'who is wise but the fool and only the fool
behaves wisely'.
>Those who are interested in comprehending what I actually mean by something
>that might seem confusin can write, ask me, and I will do my best to
>clarify for them.
Why? We have dictionaries and avatar is a clear enough term - do you provide
dictionaries and explanations for all such terms, according to your usage?
>But now, as for my "superior and stilted style of communication" -- well
>-- I comprehend that you are choosing to judge it as "superior and
>stilted". Perhaps you have known others who use grammar similarly to me
>for the sole purpose of upraising their selves as "higher" in polar
>comparison to others. If that is the case, I can comprehend why you are
>generalizing their communicative style with my style, and I can comprehend
>why you are making the mistake of associating their motives with mine.
Your comprehension is staggering. Your ability to avoid the possibility that
you are using language in a superior and stilted manner is also staggering.
I have no need to judge you. The inner reflects in the outer. You expose
yourself.
>However, from my perspective, my written communicative style is simply my
>style -- and your style is simply yours.
My style is abrasive, confrontational and sometimes considered humorous. How
would you describe yours?
>Lobster wrote:
>
>>Your clearly inclusive perspective is limited - that is the difference
>between us.
>
>*****
>
>Limited?
>
>I may agree... if you mean that it is limited in the sense of only being
>able to express comprehension, rather than to impart understanding -- given
>that my perspective is communicated here using written language.
You may agree? Was that difficult? Expressing your comprehension is all well
and good. Occasionally one has to impart understanding too? How? One must
have the wisdom to adapt the means of communication to suit the environment.
>But maybe you mean "limited" in another sense entirely.
>
>In what exact way do you think my perspective is limited?
You assume that speaking the truth, trying to communicate effectively
without adapting to peoples perceptions and needs is wisdom. Is it?
>Lobster, you truly gifted with being able to tell such interesting and
>revealing stories about your self.
>
>Here's my version about my self:
>
>My actions are simply my actions. I am entertained and enlightened at how
>some people continue to insist that I am attempting to present my self as
>"perfect" in polar comparison to their "imperfection". I am well aware
>that we all reflect aspects of each other. Any "perfection" that you see
>in me is a reflection of the "perfection" that is in your self. Any
>"imperfection" that you see in me is a reflection of the "imperfection"
>that is in your self. And the same applies to me when I look at you.
Obviously. You still are unable to see what is being said to you. Perfection
in this context is a fault. If I appear to be foolish in order to bring out
others wisdom I am offering them a service. If I act imperfectly or
imprecisely or in a limited way in order for others to correct and improve I
am a force for evolution. If I go around being 'avatar like' - what am I -
yep just another avatar - (I train my own gurus don't ya know).
>But I'm glad that you are also finding this funny.
>
>*chuckles warmly*
:-)
>Lobster wrote:
>
>>And how can we help you - or is it only you who helps others . . . :-)
>
>*****
>
>You help me by challenging me to be clear. I find language to be a tricky
>symbol system to use. Engaging conversation with all of you through
>letters requires me to work at my ability to communicate.
You are channeled? No wonder - you are challanged? Go and find an entity
that speaks English.
>You also help me by presenting me with perspectives of the topic at hand
>which differ from my own or differ from my own way of communicating it.
>Encountering these perspectives enables me to exercise my mind, and that
>strengthens my ability to engage future conversation.
You are learning to talk?
>I AM
>Avatar Thyer
Good for you. Now go get the manager.
Be Well
Lobster
Date: Tue, 9 Jun 1998 17:53:30 -0400
From: "Rick Puravs" <ric51ATnospamgeorge.lhi.net>
To: <shamaneyesATnospamyahoo.com>
Cc: <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Re: Something's bothering me... Help!
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>Is she just another "attachment"??
no, she is sacred, as you are.....at the deepest level you are both the same
Even in such love that we share?
(see above)
>Am I crazy for even thinking about throwing her to the wind?
yes, never abandon a woman, esp one with whom you have a relationship such as you just described
(I just
>hope the wind catches her and sets her someplace safe).
ya, well she may keep you grounded, and i mean this in a positive sense....if you aim to fly with the clouds, or the stars, you may need someone to pull you back to earth......the earth by the way, is no less sacred than what you aspire to
Your advice
>is appreciated.
........read up on some Tantric Yoga, or Mantak Chia's books, as it is possible to
use sexuality as a path........seek to resolve duality by uniting man and woman in bliss......
my advice is to not reject, to not push away, the love you are being provided with
Rick
>Thanks,
>
>Adon
>
Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 17:58:35 -0400
From: Avatar Thyer <thyerATnospamfreenet.grfn.org>
To: deliriumATnospamfull-moon.com, kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: our very own avatar needs translating...
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Greetings.
Kathy's wrote:
>When I explain something, I am trying to make my own
>points clearer to me or to you, not to make you understand
>me. I gotta internalize something as an experience to
>understand it. To me, comprehension means simply puttin'
>things in a clearer, logical way.
*****
That is another way of saying what I wrote.
Kathy wrote:
>Sometimes, however, the *apparent tone* of a post comes
>across a whole lot clearer than the content...I don't know why
>this happens, but it does.
>And I'm one of those who thinks that your posts seem a bit
>too lofty, too complicated in the language, and perhaps that's
>why you come across to a few of us as egotistical,
>more-enlightened-than-thou...in fact your posts mostly read like
>dry textbooks I had to read in college...
*****
When it comes to using language, I've noticed that some folks are really
uncomfortable with those who speak differently. Judging others negatively
based upon how their voices sound is a lot easier than looking deeper at
who they are demonstrating their selves to be.
The language here is in written form. Speech in this forum is writing.
Accents are the particular patterning of words that a person writes.
Judging me negatively based upon the way that I choose to pattern my words
is easy. Reading my writing for content without negatively judging my
style requires being willing to put aside any prejudices fostered against
me for writing differently than others. Looking deeper into what I am
writing and comprehending my meaning requires being willing to read my
writing with your own voice, rather than with the voice of some lofty,
negative, Egotistical person.
If you choose to read my writing slowly, and read it as if it is being
written from a sincere person who is having fun with ordering words and
meanings in the game of self-expression, the *apparent tone* my writing
will sound much different than if you choose to read my writing as if I am
a dishonest person who is condescending to speak down to you from some sort
of dry, lofty perch.
It's your choice.
In the end, all words are just dry symbols that we give to each other like
seeds. Comprehension grows by first accepting the seeds, planting them in
the feritile soil of our minds, then watering them. While we can give each
other the seeds, only we can choose to water them. Only you can choose
nourish my words and receive the flowers of their comprehension by choosing
to water them with willingness and openess to comprehend. Or you could
choose to judge them negatively according to my *apparent tone* and allow
them to remain "dry".
Judging my words according to my *apparent tone* would be like judging my
personality according to my physical appearance. If I looked differently
than the group -- if my skin were a different color, if my mannerisms were
from a different culture -- would you judge me negatively based upon my
*apparent physicality*? What would you think of others who chose to judge
me negatively based my appearance and proclaimed that I was "too ethnic" or
"too alternative", "too inner city" or "too country"?
Consider that for a moment in comparison to what is happening here with
regard to the particular way that I write.
"I don't like the words you use" (I don't like the feature of your face)
"I don't like your tone" (I don't like your accent)
"Your just another Ego" (Your just a bad person)
"Your writing is too dry" (I'm not going to even try to be your friend)
Rather than bending to the peer pressure of the group and conforming my
writing to whatever popular style is informally approved by the clique so
that I can fit in, I've always chosen to do something much more honest --
I'm always chosen to be my self. And it has always brought out the bullies
in a group who bark at anyone who dares be their selves like attack dogs.
That's what seems to be happening here to me from some people.
In the end, I can only say what anybody can say who is participating with
others in a world where relationships happen with words: if I write
something that is unclear, tell me what is specifically unclear -- tell me
what you think it means and why it is unclear -- and I will do my best to
make as clear as I can for you.
That's the best I can do.
The rest is up to you.
I AM
Avatar Thyer
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A NOTE FROM SPIRIT
I clarify aspects of the Self that I AM using mediums. This letter
clarifies some of My aspects using the medium of language. This letter is
a revelation of My perspective as the particular individual who wrote it.
Your perspective as the individualization that you are -- your perspective
as the individualization of that which I AM -- may differ.
****************************
Date: 9 Jun 98 22:58:02 +0000
From: "Paul West" <paulATnospamstationone.demon.co.uk>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: To Sing - a metaphor
Message-Id: <357DBDF9.MD-0.196.paulATnospamstationone.demon.co.uk>
Hello.
For about 3-4 years I have been trying to teach myself how to sing. I
originally started because I /really/ didn't know how. I thought my
voice was feeble and corrupt and that there was something wrong with
it. As the years rolled past, all the things I was learning about the
universe affected my singing efforts. Each little revelation I found
somehow influenced my `technique'. But I still wasn't very good at it,
squeezing and bending and pressuring myself trying to get something
decent out. But always it was a technique, and I caused myself bad
headaches, in many ways. I had to keep saying to myself at the end, in
a sweat of disgust, that I just couldn't sing. But for some reason I
try and try again.
Tonight I put some music on, and began to sing. I /felt/ it with my
heart. Everything came from the heart. I sang like I've never sang
before! Now that I've finished (cus it's getting late) I hardly even
feel sweaty or strained. My neck isn't dying and my head isn't aching.
It is beautiful, it is mariculous, I almost moved myself to tears
because it was so good. All that time spent straining and killing
myself, it never got me anywhere. When I think, the pressure I
enforced on myself. Rediculous. I... I have a voice, in more ways than
one. :~-)
--
Paul.
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Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 18:08:27 -0400
From: Avatar Thyer <thyerATnospamfreenet.grfn.org>
To: "Paul West" <paulATnospamstationone.demon.co.uk>, kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Ideology
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Greetings.
Paul West wrote:
>I would also like to ask, what does a hatred of chaos mean?
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Perhaps a hatred of chaos means that you are defining chaos as something
negative -- something frightening, threatening, dangerous.
I experience chaos the order that I have yet to comprehend.
I experience order as the chaos that I do comprehend.
Those explanations explanations represent my experience. I offer them for
your consideration. Perhaps they may resonate with your experience. If
they do, then they will give you a way to begin considering chaos from a
new perspective that is different from hate.
I AM
Avatar Thyer
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