1998/06/02 19:57
kundalini-l-d Digest V98 #421
kundalini-l-d Digest Volume 98 : Issue 421
Today's Topics:
Re: Re: The Upanishads, Heart, and t [ Harsha1MTMATnospamaol.com ]
Rare Information Re: kundalini-l-d D [ trexisATnospamjuno.com (Edward Gurd) ]
Re: primates and meat [ amckeonATnospamhsmail.nfld.k12.mn.us ]
Re: The Upanishads, Heart, and the S [ "Antoine" <acarreATnospamconcentric.net> ]
Re: Nadis - The Upanishads, Heart, a [ DruoutATnospamaol.com ]
Re: Nadis - The Upanishads, Heart, a [ Harsha1MTMATnospamaol.com ]
Re: Remote Viewing [ Mystress Angelique Serpent <serpent ]
Re: primates and meat [ Mystress Angelique Serpent <serpent ]
energy [ b bah <happyhunaATnospamyahoo.com> ]
Re: The Upanishads, Heart, and the S [ AfperryATnospamaol.com ]
Re: Nadis - The Upanishads, Heart, a [ "Magne Aga" <magneagaATnospammonet.no> ]
Re: Nadis - The Upanishads, Heart, a [ Harsha1MTMATnospamaol.com ]
Re: Nadis - The Upanishads, Heart, a [ "Magne Aga" <magneagaATnospammonet.no> ]
Re: All Humans Are Insane (was: Re: [ amckeonATnospamhsmail.nfld.k12.mn.us ]
All Humans Are Insane (was: Re: prim [ "Brent Blalock" <blal0004ATnospammaroon.tc ]
Re: The Upanishads, Heart, and the S [ "Antoine" <acarreATnospamconcentric.net> ]
Date: Tue, 2 Jun 1998 10:49:47 EDT
From: Harsha1MTMATnospamaol.com
To: AfperryATnospamaol.com, Harsha1MTMATnospamaol.com
Cc: Kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Re: The Upanishads, Heart, and the Shakti
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In a message dated 6/2/1998, 8:11:19 AM, AfperryATnospamaol.com writes:
<<>....one day Shakti after having reached the Sahasarar came
>down on the front side of the body and merged in the Cave of the Heart.
I often experience the descent of the K down the front side of my body, into
my chest area (can't be more specific) and this causes a bright red flushing
in the skin of my chest, which I believe is caused by the energy release. This
has been happening for over 10 years but is less physically obvious now than
before. How does this tally with you?
God bless,
Alan>>
Dear Alan: The feeling of flushing and heat all over the body is fairly normal
with an awakened kundalini, although not everyone has it to the same extent. I
had it strongly for the first 5-6 years but it lessened considerably after
that. Evidently your experience is associated with a particular kind of a
descent. I do think there is more than one type of descent of the Shakti
after it reaches the Sahasarara. In fact, in my own experiences, I have been
amazed at the variety of ascents and descents of Shakti. Probably this is why
people explain their experiences of Kundalini manifestations differently. One
experience of ascent and descent of the Shakti that I had, I also saw in
biography of Milarepa. It is when the Shakti ascends to the Sahasarara in
Samadhi and then comes down slowly as if giving the whole body an internal
massage, all the way down even to the toes. My teacher told me that this
descent completes the circuit. The rising to the Sahasarara and then going
down to the Cave of the Heart is an experience of going to the depth of Being
and by being "captured" and "absorbed" from the point of view of the ego. The
Mind-stuff, the personality, the subtle feeling of individual existence,
merges with THAT. The "I AM" is swallowed up. It is like a death. All is Lost.
All Possibilities End. All is Gained. The Self Arises.
Dear Alan, I do think there is more than one type of descent of the Shakti
after it reaches the Sahasarara. In fact, in my own experiences, I have been
amazed at the variety of ascents and descents of Shakti. Probably this is why
people explain their experiences of Kundalini manifestations differently.
None of the classic yoga texts indicate or capture the richness of experiences
with the awakening of the Kundalini Shakti. One experience of ascent and
descent of the Shakti that I had, I also saw In biography of Milarepa. It is
when the Shakti ascends to the Sahsarara in Samadhi and then comes down slowly
as if giving the whole body an internal massage, all the way down even to the
toes. My teacher told me that this descents completes the circuit. The rising
to the Sahasarara and then going down to the Cave of the Heart is an
experience of being "captured" and "absorbed" and then "vanishing" from the
point of view of the ego. It is like a death. All is Lost. All Possibilities
End. All is Gained. There are Infinite Possibilities. The Self Arises.
Date: Tue, 2 Jun 1998 12:03:33 +0000
From: trexisATnospamjuno.com (Edward Gurd)
To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Rare Information Re: kundalini-l-d Digest V98 #420
Message-ID: <19980602.121454.10902.1.trexisATnospamjuno.com>
"Magne Aga" <magneagaATnospammonet.no wrote:
>By the way, a unpleasant discovery of mine, is that I've been posting
>very
>much valuable information in the last few months to individuals,
>rather
>than to the Kundalini list. Well, maybe there was even a reason for
>these
>mistake. Our High Self sometimes have a peculiar sense of humor:)
>
>TODAY, MOTHER EARTH ENTERED YET ANOTHER HIGHER STEP IN THE RAISE OF
>ITS
>FREQUENCY VIBRATION
>
>BLESSINGS
There's nothing wrong with giving rare information to single people if
they are asking
for different things than the public is asking. You aren't posting this
stuff in the editorial section of your local newspaper or on just any
forum on the usenet news.
The k-list is a place where people may be more ready or eager for this
information
than others and is more fitting. Just as sacred initiations are
generally things the aspirant must ASK for, sacred information can be
nearly as precious. I know my
mother and father would be very unsuited (in ego at least) to just about
anything you
have told me. And the best answers you can give may only come from good
questions asked in less public situations.
EG
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Date: Tue, 2 Jun 1998 11:52:19 -0600
From: amckeonATnospamhsmail.nfld.k12.mn.us
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: primates and meat
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>Anurag>
>Another explanation for sticking to non-vegetarian diet. things don't
>change all of a sudden. It takes time.
Agreed.
>Anurag>
>
>Shouldn't the immunity level of a person be raised rather than developing
>allergy-free protiens.
As always, it *is* best to attack a problem on all fronts. Raising one's
immunity level is a good thing too. It has appeared that developing
allergy-free substances has been easier than adjusting human bodies, though.
JMHO,
amckeon
(with a rather uncooperative body)
Date: Tue, 2 Jun 1998 13:06:54 -0400
From: "Antoine" <acarreATnospamconcentric.net>
To: <AfperryATnospamaol.com>, <Harsha1MTMATnospamaol.com>
Cc: <Kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Re: The Upanishads, Heart, and the Shakti
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Hello Alan,
>Dear Harsha,
>In a message dated 1/6/98 4:17:54 pm, you wrote:
>
>>....one day Shakti after having reached the Sahasarar came
>>down on the front side of the body and merged in the Cave of the Heart.
>
>I often experience the descent of the K down the front side of my body,
into
>my chest area (can't be more specific) and this causes a bright red
flushing
>in the skin of my chest, which I believe is caused by the energy release.
This
>has been happening for over 10 years but is less physically obvious now
than
>before. How does this tally with you?
It's something i love to experience. The bright red flushing on the chest as
changed over time to a "vortex" giving on/in a new dimension. The
concentration in the front of the chest at heart level as been moving to fix
itself in the middle of the body at heart level. The "space" i was feeling
as outside of me opening in the front becomind a "sphere" radiating from the
center. I call this space many names, the Christ, Love ....
This inside growing "spherical space" pulses with my "outside aura".
Listening to that pulse as i interact with the world is so wonderfull..And
meeting someone who as allowed this inside portal to open just make this
space grow more, or pulse with a greater amplitude, some times to be felt as
the physical sensation of wind radiating from my heart level and even the
all body. Maybe is it a key to the descent of the divine on this plane, who
knows...
On the other side when i met what i call a "vampire" to this plane, this
inside space at heart level becomes empty, the wind flows from this plane,
the outside, to the inside, that space, to be drawn "up/inside" the crown or
ego, depending on the person.
I call those the movement from those two state of the heart, the cosmic
breathing.
Blessings,
Antoine
Date: Tue, 2 Jun 1998 13:44:17 EDT
From: DruoutATnospamaol.com
To: Harsha1MTMATnospamaol.com, magneagaATnospammonet.no, kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: Nadis - The Upanishads, Heart, and the Shakti
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In a message dated 98-06-01 23:36:09 EDT, Harsha1MTMATnospamaol.com writes:
<< I hardly see much mention in the literature of
the Shakti manifestations and moving upwards that is felt in the front. One
exception is Swami Narayanananda (Ramakrishna tradition) who speaks very
precisely of the counterpart of Sushmana that is felt in the front. >>
Dear Harsha,
Could you give me more info on this. (A book ref. maybe?) This is precisely
how I constantly feel these energies.
Thanks,
Love, Hillary
Date: Tue, 2 Jun 1998 15:56:02 EDT
From: Harsha1MTMATnospamaol.com
To: DruoutATnospamaol.com, magneagaATnospammonet.no, kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: Nadis - The Upanishads, Heart, and the Shakti
Message-ID: <a4bd70d0.357458d3ATnospamaol.com>
In a message dated 6/2/1998 10:44:17 AM Pacific Daylight Time, Druout writes:
<< Dear Harsha,
Could you give me more info on this. (A book ref. maybe?) This is precisely
how I constantly feel these energies.
Thanks,
Love, Hillary >>
Harsha: Swami Narayananda's book is listed in Kurt Keutzer's extensive
bibliography on the writings on Kundalini. Kurt also has a good FAQ on
Kundalini on the Kundalini Home Site for those who are just starting out.
Date: Tue, 02 Jun 1998 11:28:51 -0700
From: Mystress Angelique Serpent <serpentATnospamdomin8rex.com>
To: Paul West <paulATnospamstationone.demon.co.uk>
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Remote Viewing
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At 03:08 PM 01/06/98 +0000, Paul West wrote:
>But another thing we did was a bit of remote viewing. On one occasion
>I had called up one of my best on-line buddies who lives in London <...>
>The first time around was real productive. I came up a with a
>number of things, such as metal tubing and black leather, which turned
>out to be an exercise bench.
Hiya:
This brought back some memories.. I used to do this with my best friend
in high school.. her head was glass to me. We'd play a game over the phone
where I would tell her what she was wearing and what she was looking at in
her cluttered teenager's bedroom.. got about 90% accuracy.. it was fun..
Strictly speaking tho, what you were doing was not remote viewing, but
telepathy. You were seeing out of his eyes. Blessings, Mystress.
Date: Tue, 02 Jun 1998 11:24:13 -0700
From: Mystress Angelique Serpent <serpentATnospamdomin8rex.com>
To: amckeonATnospamhsmail.nfld.k12.mn.us
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: primates and meat
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At 11:52 AM 02/06/98 -0600, amckeonATnospamhsmail.nfld.k12.mn.us wrote:
>As always, it *is* best to attack a problem on all fronts. Raising one's
>immunity level is a good thing too. It has appeared that developing
>allergy-free substances has been easier than adjusting human bodies, though.
>
>JMHO,
>amckeon
>(with a rather uncooperative body)
>
Hmmm... anything you give your attention to grows, any resistance causes
pain.. why "attack" anything??
I have been going into myself and clearing some allergies. What I am
getting is, that the allergies were a way to force me into a diet that is
in my best health. I get permission to clear the allergies, but I don't get
consent to add those foods back into my diet.
Clearing the allergies makes it easier to go out for dinner and not be a
difficult guest, but since it doesn't change my diet much, it is not a
project I feel particularly motivated towards.
Blessings, Mystress.
Date: Tue, 2 Jun 1998 13:22:41 -0700 (PDT)
From: b bah <happyhunaATnospamyahoo.com>
To: innersunATnospamonelist.com
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: energy
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Hi,
I just spent twenty plus minutes composing/rewriting a message to
Laura and my son"s computer lost it.If even my son can't find it it is
definitely gone.
Laura, I vote for Kundalini energy. I had a spontaneous awakening
three and a half years ago. That was the first time I felt energy at
the base of neck and in the trap muscles. It's usually extremely
gentle fast short vibrations melting into each other.
In my Reiki practice circle last night we were discussing the
differences,(sensed and unsensed) between Reiki and Regenesis. One
lady with over ten years experience could tell the difference, both in
her body and how the energy flowed into other people's bodies.
I started learning about energy healimg by reading books.
ThenBerkeley Psychic Institute non-hands on healing,then Huna, then
do-it yourself remote, Reiki 1 and lastly, Regenesis.
I call the EXTREMELY gentle/melting slightly warm vibrations 'warm
fuzzies'. When they feel more insistent and with an infinitesimally
longer time pause between the vibrations some of my acquaintances say
it is my guides or my healing guides. When my guides are upset the
feeling in the traps isn't so much a question of warmth, but more of
spacing of the vibrations and their intensity. If my guide or guides
don't want me to
enter a particular building or(when hiking/backpacking )a negative
energy area the traps will feel VERY WARM TENSE and vibrating to the
point my shoulder length hair moves. If you have talked to your Reiki
guides in the past Laura ask them,they're the experts.
'loha, barb
ps. There are several REALLY knowledgeable people on the Kundalini list(
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Date: Tue, 2 Jun 1998 17:45:05 EDT
From: AfperryATnospamaol.com
To: acarreATnospamconcentric.net
Cc: Kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: The Upanishads, Heart, and the Shakti
Message-ID: <3b44b15e.35747262ATnospamaol.com>
Dear Antoine,
In a message dated 2/6/98 6:07:39 pm, you wrote:
>The concentration in the front of the chest at heart level as been moving to
fix
>itself in the middle of the body at heart level.
Thank you for this. Do you feel that the second location is distinct from the
first, or just another aspect of it? [If you have been following Harsha and my
conversation] Perhaps a 'seat of the Self' or something similar, either
distinct from or part of the Heart Chakra?
God bless,
Alan
Date: Tue, 2 Jun 1998 23:48:34 +0200
From: "Magne Aga" <magneagaATnospammonet.no>
To: <kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com>
Subject: Re: Nadis - The Upanishads, Heart, and the Shakti
Message-Id: <199806022252.XAA20507ATnospamokstind.monet.no>
----------
> From: DruoutATnospamaol.com
> To: Harsha1MTMATnospamaol.com; magneagaATnospammonet.no; kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
> Subject: Re: Nadis - The Upanishads, Heart, and the Shakti
> Date: Tuesday, June 02, 1998 7:44 PM
>
* Harsha
| I hardly see much mention in the literature of
| the Shakti manifestations and moving upwards that is felt in the front.
One
| exception is Swami Narayanananda (Ramakrishna tradition) who speaks very
| precisely of the counterpart of Sushmana that is felt in the front.
* Hillary
| Could you give me more info on this. (A book ref. maybe?) This is
precisely
| how I constantly feel these energies.
This is exactly what Kriya Yoga is all about. Kundalini moves upwards
through sushumna, and downwards meda on the front. Here's the real
difference between Kriya Yoga and the traditional Kundalini Yoga. Kundalini
Yoga emphasizes only the positive part of the energy, not the negative
counterpart. In Kundalini Yoga, all the energy shall rise to the head, and
then Finito ! The Quest ends. It is almost the same logic as to say that
the World should consist only of Males, that we shall allways be awake
(never sleep), that we shall only have + electricity (no - counterpart).
The rise upwards sushumna to the head can cause severe imbalances, if no
counterpart energy flows downwards meda. Kundalini and the ligth body /
ressurected body is Yang and Yin. In "Vishuddhi shuddhi", the energy moves
upwards and downwards through meda nadi. In Kriya Yoga it moves upwards
sushumna, downwards meda.
Sahashrara and Muladhara are called the two poles. There exists a cosmic
energy in the head, and an Earth energy in the root. When Kundalini meets
the head, it expects to find a "reserved place" there. But if there ain't
any room there, because the head is preoccupied by the other pole energy,
Kundalini begins to search endlesly, restless after a place to be, and the
result may be a psychosis.
Date: Tue, 2 Jun 1998 18:20:05 EDT
From: Harsha1MTMATnospamaol.com
To: magneagaATnospammonet.no, kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: Nadis - The Upanishads, Heart, and the Shakti
Message-ID: <a0d35d1d.35747a96ATnospamaol.com>
In a message dated 6/2/1998 2:53:59 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
magneagaATnospammonet.no writes:
<< In "Vishuddhi shuddhi", the energy moves
upwards and downwards through meda nadi. In Kriya Yoga it moves upwards
sushumna, downwards meda. >>
Harsha: Swami Narayanananda calls it, I believe, the Medha Nadi. His book on
Kundalini Yoga is useful for advanced students. I usually do not see much
reference to Medha in the literature. In a conversation on this topic once,
my teacher stated that the central Nadi has a "back door" and a "front door."
It is my experience that the usually accepted methods of pranayama with
centering on Manipura and chakra meditation is sufficient to activate Medha
Nadi. Regulation of sexual conduct also plays a critical role. Can you
mention some book sources or is this a "secret" teaching, etc.?
Date: Wed, 3 Jun 1998 01:56:57 +0200
From: "Magne Aga" <magneagaATnospammonet.no>
To: <kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com>
Subject: Re: Nadis - The Upanishads, Heart, and the Shakti
Message-Id: <199806030101.CAA21573ATnospamokstind.monet.no>
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> From: Harsha1MTMATnospamaol.com
> To: magneagaATnospammonet.no; kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
> Subject: Re: Nadis - The Upanishads, Heart, and the Shakti
> Date: Wednesday, June 03, 1998 12:20 AM
>
> In a message dated 6/2/1998 2:53:59 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
> magneagaATnospammonet.no writes:
| In "Vishuddhi shuddhi", the energy moves
| upwards and downwards through meda nadi. In Kriya Yoga it moves upwards
| sushumna, downwards meda.
> Harsha: Swami Narayanananda calls it, I believe, the Medha Nadi. His
book on
> Kundalini Yoga is useful for advanced students. I usually do not see
much
> reference to Medha in the literature. In a conversation on this topic
once,
> my teacher stated that the central Nadi has a "back door" and a "front
door."
> It is my experience that the usually accepted methods of pranayama with
> centering on Manipura and chakra meditation is sufficient to activate
Medha
> Nadi. Regulation of sexual conduct also plays a critical role. Can you
> mention some book sources or is this a "secret" teaching, etc.?
No it's no "secret", just oral. The socalled "secret doctrine" is widely
misunderstood, because people believe that those Initiated in it, consider
themselves as an "elite". This is a not so. If it were, it would have been
spiritual pride. The reason for secrecy is to make the learning process
personal. Not from any book, but a direct experience. Anyway, since some
words is better than silence, here's an easy meditation technique from the
tantric Kriya Yoga tradition. But, because it's easy, you would probably
feel it comfortable. It's an introduction to "Ajapa Jap". Mantra Japa means
"to repeat a mantra". Ajapa Jap means "that which repeats itself, without
beeing repeated", i.e. instead of repeating the mantra as in Transcendental
Meditation, let it follow the breath, so that it becomes automatic. An
automatic repeated mantra is repeated without any (conscious) repeating.
VISHUDDHI SHUDDHI
PART 1 Ujjayi Pranayama
Return your tongue backwards,
until it meets the soft palate in your throath.
This is the point which Yogananda mentioned when
he recited Bhagavad Gita.
This is the point where "inhalation neutralize exhalation"
and "exhalation neutralize inhalation".
When inhaling, visualize strength, energy, life, ligth.
When exhaling, visualize relax, rest, the moon.
During these process, make a whispering sound from
the depths of your throath - similar to that of a child sleeping.
Try to make these whispering sound equal during inhale and exhale.
PART 2 The Medha Nadi
When the previous process has caused a transformed state in your mind,
add to the whispering breath the focus on Meda.
Focus on Manipura Chakra on the front side of the body.
During inhaling, move the energy, the awareness, the experience
from solar plexus upwards on the front side of the body,
upwards meda to the throath.
Before exhale, move the energy backwards to the Vishuddhi chakra
at the spine. And concentrate on it for a while.
When exhaling, move the energy downwards meda, down to manipura.
Before inhaling, move the energy backwards to manipura at the spine.
And concentrate on manipura for a while.
Repeat these process until another transformation takes place.
PART 3 The mantra
Add to the previous process, a mantra composed of two sounds.
During inhaling, and the upward movement through meda,
hear mentally the mantra SOOOOO ....
During exhaling, and the downward movement through meda,
hear mentally the mantra HAMMMM ...
(SO-HAM for males, SA-HAM for females)
This is a process of cleansing (shuddhi) the meda nadi from solar plexus
to the throath (Vishuddhi). Therefore the name Vishuddhi shuddhi.
PART 4 Ajna
Stop the breathing process, stop the mantra, do not move your body
through the rest of the process.
Visualize an Eagle in front of You (or another image).
Let it slowly, but certain "sink" into your forehead inwards to the
center of your head.
This is not a gross process, it should be made easy, dreamlike.
PART 5 CHIDAKASHAM (The room of consciousness)
Imagine a room inside your head.
It is completly empty.
Fill it gradually with your consciousness.
Fill it with Light, the Crystal Clear Ligth of consciousness,
refered to in the Tibetan Book of Dead as the
Emptyness and the Ultimate Light.
I Am these room. I Am these consciousness.
I Am.
+ + +
What sexuality is concerned: Many gurus states that celibacy is a
requirement during Kundalini Yoga. I would say that instead of denying the
sexuality, instead of suppressing it, instead of denying the natural Joy,
TRANSFORM it. Sexuality is energy, which can be transformed into an energy
form of illumination, insight. But in order to transform energy, you NEED
energy. You need the sexuality in order to transform it ! To deny sexuality
is to deny energy supply. And without energy supply you are dead, without
energy.
Date: Tue, 2 Jun 1998 19:20:29 -0600
From: amckeonATnospamhsmail.nfld.k12.mn.us
To: "Brent Blalock" <blal0004ATnospammaroon.tc.umn.edu>
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: All Humans Are Insane (was: Re: primates and meat)
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>Me, too. I haven't helped a turtle recently, but I've helped a bird and
>eaten poultry the same day before.
Thank you for not making me feel like I'm not the only "insane human" on
the list :D
>helping the injured and
>slaying the bothersome.
Sounds like a great slogan for a t-shirt or a bumper sticker, don't it?
>What the hell is wrong with all of our minds?
Whole books have been written, and yet the surface has only been scratched....
toodle-oo,
amckeon
Date: Tue, 2 Jun 1998 04:20:30 -0500
From: "Brent Blalock" <blal0004ATnospammaroon.tc.umn.edu>
To: <amckeonATnospamhsmail.nfld.k12.mn.us>
Cc: "Kundalini - L" <kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com>
Subject: All Humans Are Insane (was: Re: primates and meat)
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>I rescued a turtle from the middle of the highway so it wouldn't get
>squashed. Then I had a little talk with him about taking care of himself
>and set him down in the sun by the lake. But then again, I had chicken for
>lunch today....
Me, too. I haven't helped a turtle recently, but I've helped a bird and
eaten poultry the same day before.
My point/complaint is as follows.
I'll do things based on one premise (i.e., that animals are "good" and
should be left unharmed) and then I'll do something based on a contradictory
premise (i.e., that it's okay to eat and kill animals). The perception that
I have isn't that people are inconsistent sometimes and that they can do
some silly things when they don't think about what they believe. The
perception that I have is that people are missing a huge piece of their
brain, and the gaping hole in their head causes them to do totally insane
things. My perception definitely applies to "normal" people.
"Normal" people in particular, actually, because they'll often base the
direction of their entire lives and their sense of self-worth on totally
false things... things that they would recognize as false if they would
re-examine their beliefs a little more carefully. Hearing someone say that
the foundation of their belief system is something which you recognize as
strange and totally illogical is a puzzling experience, indeed! Especially
when the person you're talking to is a part of the "mainstream."
Perfect example:
I'll go out of my way to help an injured insect, and I'll feel good about
doing so. I'll have done something "right" and I'll believe that I should
have done so. Not much later, I'll swat a fly because it bothered me, and I
won't think twice about it. Not until a good while later when I notice the
huge inconsistency and think, "What the hell did I swat the fly for? I care
about animals, right? Then why'd I swat the fly and not care? Maybe I
don't actually care about the animals. But then, if I don't care about
animals, why'd I help that injured insect? An emotional reward? I believed
that it was 'the right thing to do' and did so because of that belief, not
for some reward." And I won't really learn much from those lines of
thought. I'll just keep doing what I've been doing: helping the injured and
slaying the bothersome.
What the hell is wrong with all of our minds?
Date: Tue, 2 Jun 1998 22:30:52 -0400
From: "Antoine" <acarreATnospamconcentric.net>
To: <AfperryATnospamaol.com>
Cc: <Kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Re: The Upanishads, Heart, and the Shakti
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Dear Alan,
>Thank you for this. Do you feel that the second location is distinct from
the
>first, or just another aspect of it? [If you have been following Harsha and
my
>conversation] Perhaps a 'seat of the Self' or something similar, either
>distinct from or part of the Heart Chakra?
Personally, (i usualy like exploring things before reading about them), it's
hard for me to say if the "gateway" on front of the chest is part of the
heart Chakra or not. Or this sphere pulsing is or not. So many variables
comes into account. It's a point where i leave time and space, just the
limit of it. I would be pretentious to say it is something relatively new on
this plane. Many things point to this in our mythologies and cultures, from
the superman logo on the chest (is alien world shining from is chest on this
planet?) to the difference in which the heart Chakra is felt in different
culture, like in kung fu "love" comes to be felt in front of the chest more
as courage or vertu, when in America the heart Chakra is more identified
with the "opening" near the back bringing more the feelings of soul merging
and Love.
I know of a woman who developped very rapidly this "living" space within at
the stomach level. It changed her totally, and still is.
I believe there is a razor edge one can come to learn to stand on, in the
heart Chakra for most of us for the moment, where one is the unknown looking
into what we believe to be known. I call it the Horizon. On one side of the
horizon the infinite fractal dividing world we are confronted with, on the
other this, you know.... the Presence, God, etc.... From this blending of
those two sides, dancing, playing, etc..., comes Love. This razor edge who
was on the crown level, in general, eons ago, seems to be pushing down. Who
knows maybe down to the core of the earth and even deeper.
How deep is the heart Chakra, who can say?
Blessings,
Antoine
I like reading you.
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