1998/05/20 12:57
kundalini-l-d Digest V98 #386
kundalini-l-d Digest Volume 98 : Issue 386
Today's Topics:
Re: Bliss [ "Brent Blalock" <blal0004ATnospammaroon.tc ]
Re: suffering [ "Brent Blalock" <blal0004ATnospammaroon.tc ]
Re: Subconscious pressure and return [ "Debora A. Orf" <dorf01ATnospammail.win.or ]
Re: suffering [ kristin <kristinATnospamaol.com> ]
Manifestations [ MariAna Mikula <romeATnospamiwaynet.net> ]
Re: K and the bible and "anger" [ onarresATnospaminreach.com ]
Re: an introduction and some questio [ onarresATnospaminreach.com ]
Re: suffering [ Anurag Goel <anuragATnospamBhaskara.ee.iis ]
Re: new list subscriber [ Druout <DruoutATnospamaol.com> ]
pain [ "Susan Carlson" <divine_goddessATnospamhot ]
Re: Subconscious pressure and return [ "Paul West" <paulATnospamstationone.demon. ]
RE: The Compleat Technical Guide to [ Kurt Keutzer <keutzerATnospameecs.berkeley ]
Re: K and the bible and "anger" [ Soulseeks <SoulseeksATnospamaol.com> ]
RE: Kumbhaka (was RE: Milarepa and p [ Kurt Keutzer <keutzerATnospameecs.berkeley ]
Fwd: Re: Fwd: Scientific Studies of [ "Joseph Miller" <joemillerATnospamhotmail. ]
Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 11:28:39 -0500
From: "Brent Blalock" <blal0004ATnospammaroon.tc.umn.edu>
To: "Imtgxxx" <ImtgxxxATnospamaol.com>
Cc: "Kundalini - L" <kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com>
Subject: Re: Bliss
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-----Original Message-----
From: Imtgxxx <ImtgxxxATnospamaol.com>
To: Brent L Blalock <blal0004ATnospammaroon.tc.umn.edu>
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com <kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com>
Date: Tuesday, May 19, 1998 7:04 PM
Subject: Re: Bliss
I wrote:
> I'll try to explain to her how non-attachment and letting go of
> your fears can lead to bliss and trainquility and all that.
TG wrote:
>You could also say that you were being attached to her understanding what
you
>are saying.
Ironic!
[[[ Next ]]]
I said:
>.... When I've thought about what I do when faced with a source of
emotional
> suffering: I think about the actual situation, try to determine what it is
> that I fear losing, and see what I *really* lose. Because I'm a bit of a
> determinist, the goal is always to convince myself that I've lost nothing.
> (There was no way to really avoid that "loss": it was a determined event!
> No sense in clinging to the impossible, right?)
> That what you're talking about?
TG said:
>Noooooo. I don't have to do anything - it's a pure internal shift done
for
>me. Let's pretend I'm suffering from a broken relationship, or whatever
>emotional crisis of the day. If I take a moment and realize that I don't
>know what anything, including this (crisis), means (making the thoughts
>neutral), and be willing to see it differently, this is when the internal
>shift occurs. I am at peace with it all! Acceptance of the whole
situation.
>I didn't have to do anything but be willing to look at it differently. It
is
>not something I try to do myself, but is turned over to a Higher Power to
make
>the internal shift for me. It is so simple to do if you have the
>willingness, and is available to anyone. (no copywrite yet on internal
>shifts). I'm sure there are different ways and terminology to do this same
>thing from different points of view. It is instantaneous. After having
this
>shift occur many times, you come to realize that suffering IS a choice.
Cool. Sounds ACIM-ish, I dare say. :)
I'll definitely try that out.
[[[ Next ]]]
I said:
> .... I theorize that pain is just the same as any other source of
suffering.
>Or,
> to be more precise, it's the same as any other thing that people think
> causes them to suffer.
TG said:
>I would have to agree here with this. Suffering is suffering. I've
thought
>about what you've said and realized that when I'm in physical pain, I do
not
>use the same steps I do for emotional pain. So I thought I'd do it with
this
>toothache of mine I have today. Made it neutral, was willing to see it
>differently, and the *pain* is gone. I can feel my heart beating in the
tooth
>and feel something going on, but there is no pain, and no Tylenol.
>Interesting. Thanks for clarifying this for me.
Yep, that's what it's like when I get it to work for me. I tried putting
ice on my gums once to do that. I felt an intense senation shoot through my
teeth, but no pain was there. :)
[[[ Next ]]]
I said:
>.... Sounds like you just have magic powers (you "went inside" for a cure
for
> your physical problem and *poof!* a doctor appears). I don't think that
> using magic powers to deliver you from situations which you "choose not to
> accept" is actually being free of suffering. It sounds like you're only
> free of the external situations that "cause" them. (Which ain't half
>bad...)
TG said:
>But it is an answer to a problem. When an external solution to a problem
>occurs, I always think of that story about the woman stuck on the roof of a
>house while her whole town is in a flood.
I wasn't suggesting that people shouldn't fix their problems, but that
curing their problems wasn't the same as curing their suffering.
Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 11:28:08 -0500
From: "Brent Blalock" <blal0004ATnospammaroon.tc.umn.edu>
To: "Antoine" <acarreATnospamconcentric.net>
Cc: "Kundalini - L" <kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com>
Subject: Re: suffering
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-----Original Message-----
From: Antoine <acarreATnospamconcentric.net>
To: Brent Blalock <blal0004ATnospammaroon.tc.umn.edu>; Dan Margolis
<Dan_MargolisATnospamabm.com>
Cc: Kundalini - L <kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com>
Date: Tuesday, May 19, 1998 11:51 PM
Subject: Re: suffering
I said:
>It could be that, by understanding the causes of suffering and the false
>beliefs and fears that they originate from, suffering could be eliminated
>from one's life altogether. But does that mean that suffering didn't exist
>in the first place?
Antoine said:
>Ah! The darkness i run after, when i "feel" no more suffering, in order to
>bring more deepness to who i am in this world. Looking for, or accepting, a
>deeper horizon between yin and yang.
So that's the ultimate cause of suffering?
I have trouble relating, but I suspect that's something that one would have
to experience to understand, making verbal description of the experience
rather vain. Is that so?
Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 11:38:45 -0500 (CDT)
From: "Debora A. Orf" <dorf01ATnospammail.win.org>
To: Ann Morrison Fisher <annfisherATnospamstic.net>
cc: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: Subconscious pressure and returning smiles
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On Wed, 20 May 1998, Ann Morrison Fisher wrote:
> Debora!
>
> >--the wierdo from the midwest throwing flowers down from right above you
> >:)
>
> I love it!! :))))))))) Thank you!!
>
> (Where in the midwest? I grew up in Indiana.)
Missouri, otherwise known locally as Misery ;)
actually the heartland is ok, except when Lambert Airport lost part of my
teacher's luggage......
(heard about it, didnt expereince it myself)
--dao
Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 12:51:39 EDT
From: kristin <kristinATnospamaol.com>
To: blal0004ATnospammaroon.tc.umn.edu, kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: suffering
Message-ID: <3422d31e.35630a1cATnospamaol.com>
In a message dated 98-05-20 12:31:23 EDT, you write:
<< I think that there may be something more to it than that. Why would a
person inflict suffering on themselves? By definition, suffering isn't
something that they would want. >>
I understand what you are saying about suffering, and pain. Every goes threw
suffering and pian inflicted by others, and also by are self. Once the pain
and suffering come to you, it is up to you on how to deal with it. One you can
go in to your own self pitty, and allow the suffering and pian to controll
you. Or, you can decided that yes it happened, I can't do anythign about it,
leanr from and do not take it as pain/suffering, take as a lesson and accept
it. It is all the way you look at it, and take it.
Kristin
Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 13:20:09 -0400
From: MariAna Mikula <romeATnospamiwaynet.net>
To: serpentATnospamdomin8rex.com
CC: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Manifestations
Message-ID: <356310C9.52DFATnospamiwaynet.net>
Question: During meditative tantric sexual/sensual activity - what
might be the pro's and con's to focusing on the energy birthed from that
to go toward the planets healing? Even more specifically has there been
experiences with even more specificity, like praying/requesting for
shift for someone else life or, focus on physical manifestations for
ones own life, like?, the right contact for birthing a business that
will be for good?
Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 10:16:57 -0700
From: onarresATnospaminreach.com
To: Tom_I_BradleyATnospamEURO.CCMAIL.compuserve.com,
"INTERNET:kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com" <kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com>
Subject: Re: K and the bible and "anger"
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Hi fellow travelers,
I honor all religions, faiths and the way people want to progress on their
path. Each has a right to express that which they believe... but I, like
Tom, do not feel the need to be converted into any religion - I prefer to
say that I have surrendered to the spirituality of the Soul and that is
where I am on my pathway. Religion
per se turns me off, I do want to be controlled by any factor and since I
have free will - well, you may see my point.
If Jesus had wanted a sect to follow him and express his views, perhaps it
should have been called "Gnostic - Universal Love - Christ Way, for he
taught what the sect of the Jewish Gnostics practiced, the Christ
consciousness plus added spirituality that he found along the way in his
quest for the ALL. Incidentally, he found more in India and Egypt. As for
all this other stuff, I feel it's pure control... gotta go to church or
your damned, phooey, not so. I do not nave the need to be loaded down by
guilt.
And for the person who said Jesus was a deceiver, well... all I can say is:
Take a good look and see whom is deceiving whom. I respect your religion,
if it makes you happy, so be it! If one is of any faith or religion and
feels the connection to God, that's wonderful, and I wish you love and
happiness, but don't put it on me.
In other words, don't preach your religion, don't quote the Bible!
The Bible has too many metaphors - we are now in the process of re-writing
that which man believes and knows - kinda like the archeologist remolding
that which they once thought to be correct. They now know that man has
existed on this planet far, far longer than they had estimated. The
Revelations of John? How about the seven chakras that are the seals to be
opened?
I admire any person who aspires to finding the truth in all things - be it
in a church, synagog, temple or simply the spirituality of the Soul. As
long as their search is directed towards the perfection, they'll get there,
maybe not in this lifetime, but then that's why the Creator gave us other
lifetimes in which to find our path. To right that which we wronged, to
correct mistakes, to find that we are all one, everything, everyone is
connected and part of the other no matter where one lives or what color
their skin... we are here to learn and find that path that leads to the
ultimate.
But this list is a kundalini list - we share what we know, about K and its
affects. We read what other people have either read or know from
experience... after all, experience is what we all have. How to cope with
the different risings of K, all these things for the novice that needs to
hear that She/he is heading in the right direction, that they are indeed
not ready for the funny farm. Some are further down the path than others,
and the help to see and understand what is transpiring within them. To
share and experience - not to preach nor convert...
Someone once told me "Religious people haven't a clue, but when they do,
they become ex- religious people" Now I am ready for the backlash - let's
all not hit it at once, but then - criticism and anger falls off me like
the proverbial water off the ducks back - you will not hurt my feelings -
it does not bother me, so have at it... express your views. Sorry for the
bandwidth...
A former Catholic - with blessings dor
At 05:45 AM 5/20/98 -0400, Tom_I_BradleyATnospamEURO.CCMAIL.compuserve.com wrote:
There was a post here a while back - the one in which a christian said
about k -"beware of anything that has to do with a snake". I thought this
post was another example of some evangelist coming in to tell us the error
of our ways, I just don't like people who seek to convert me, whether
they're xtians, moslems or some weird cult. just a quoted passage about
converting >people.
>but the input has come from list members. Just plomping down a biblical
passage as if it was self-explanatory doesn't cut the mustard. Why no
accompanying words from the person who sent the post? Actually I consider
Jesus an admirable human being, but that's neither here nor there.
>Tom
>
>
>
Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 10:28:17 -0700
From: onarresATnospaminreach.com
To: "Debora A. Orf" <dorf01ATnospammail.win.org>, Jeanne Garner <jeannegATnospamicon.net>
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com, morganaATnospambest.com
Subject: Re: an introduction and some questions
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At 11:23 AM 5/20/98 -0500, Debora A. Orf wrote:
>On Wed, 20 May 1998, Jeanne Garner wrote:
>
>>
>> ...and I thought it was just me... There are times when, wherever I am,
outside, in a room, wherever, everything lights up with this golden "fog"
which is a good description of it. Always with a very good feeling. So
glad you wrote about this.
>
>check in another fog child! me 3 mine is usually silver/white
>
>-dao
I see it as energy waves - (like heat eminating from a paved highway)
dor
Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 22:41:00 +0530 (IST)
From: Anurag Goel <anuragATnospamBhaskara.ee.iisc.ernet.in>
To: Brent Blalock <blal0004ATnospammaroon.tc.umn.edu>
cc: kristin <kristinATnospamaol.com>, Kundalini - L <kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com>
Subject: Re: suffering
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Hi ,
because one is trying to get pleasure out of attachment.
Love,
anurag
On Wed, 20 May 1998, Brent Blalock wrote:
> -----Original Message-----
> From: kristin <kristinATnospamaol.com>
> To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
> Date: Tuesday, May 19, 1998 2:37 PM
> Subject: suffering
>
>
> Hi.
>
> >The only suffering we have is suffering we cause. We could bring suffering
> >upon us, or we could bring joy upon us. It is all a state of mind, we bring
> >upon us what we want, and sometimes that maybe suffering.
>
> Originally, I thought that I, consciously or subconsciously, was the cause
> of all my suffering. I thought that attachment to things was the cause in
> one way or another. But lately, I'm reconsidering that.
>
> I think that there may be something more to it than that. Why would a
> person inflict suffering on themselves? By definition, suffering isn't
> something that they would want.
>
> Just some food for thought.
>
>
>
>
>
Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 13:35:38 EDT
From: Druout <DruoutATnospamaol.com>
To: HOKULIMAATnospamwebtv.net, kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: new list subscriber
Message-ID: <23e025b7.3563146bATnospamaol.com>
Dear Roger,
El Collie's E mail is ckressATnospamaol.com
I found the Shared Transformation newsletter wonderfully helpful too! She's
female, by the way.
Love, Hillary
Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 10:42:04 PDT
From: "Susan Carlson" <divine_goddessATnospamhotmail.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: pain
Message-ID: <19980520174205.3247.qmailATnospamhotmail.com>
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Angelique wrote:
Yet pain is wonderfully focusing, and it is reallydifficult to
not be in the moment with the pain when it is occurring.. itdemands
attention like nothing else. When we are hurting is when we aremost
likely
to surrender and "Run Home to Mother". Blessed be. Love, Mystress.
Susan writes:
I remember once being in the hospital for kidney stones. I have NEVER
felt anything so painful in my whole life.
Before the pain medication would take hold I would be screaming and the
door would have to be shut to my hospital room. It felt like someone
had taken a rusty jagged blade, fiery hot, and was digging a hole in my
back.
It was then I found my 'witness' state. I remember observing myself and
thinking, 'it is true...one can go crazy from pain and sufferring'.
There was this calm aspect of myself that saw the decision that could
have been made....give in to insanity or stay sane... I chose sanity
and felt a buffer grow between me and the pain.
I felt the intensity of it, my body was hyperventilating and thrashing
in the bed, but yet my thoughts were collected and rational.
there was a deep peaceful feeling within the pain. The pain was so
severe I was going into shock. I knew I could make the decision to die
then, but I didnt.
Quite an interesting experience for me.
Of course, seeing the lizards in the nurses' uniforms....well that was a
different story....side effects of the pain medicine which
sent me into a strange realm altogether.
love,
Susan
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Date: 20 May 98 15:02:07 +0000
From: "Paul West" <paulATnospamstationone.demon.co.uk>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Subconscious pressure and returning smiles
Message-Id: <3562F06F.MD-0.196.paulATnospamstationone.demon.co.uk>
Harsha:
> Paul: It's the suggestion that a person who is offending you has
> to be treated as though they are not offending you.
>
> Harsha: Why do you do this?
>
> Paul: I do this because I am quite a nice person and I am sensitive, and as
> such I treat most other people with respect and value.
>
> Harsha: Very good!
This is as may be but I wonder if it is just something to keep my
safe because of insecurity. I might smile at the person but I'm not
exactly interested in how they take it. I seem more interested in
making myself appear in a way that will not arouse offence in them.
> Paul: But it's just that they don't seem to be returning the favour, and it
> can really hurt.
>
> Harsha: I am sorry for your hurt but what would you have them do? Constantly
> return your smile? That can be a heavy burden unless the smile comes by
> itself.
It's not just the smile. I dunno. I seem to want people to follow me
but at the same time I want to be left alone.
--
Paul.
IRC: #amiga, Dalnet: #blitz
WWW: http://www.stationone.demon.co.uk
E-M: paulATnospamstationone.demon.co.uk
Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 11:08:14 -0700
From: Kurt Keutzer <keutzerATnospameecs.berkeley.edu>
To: "'MMeyers541'" <MMeyers541ATnospamaol.com>, keutzerATnospameecs.berkeley.edu
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: RE: The Compleat Technical Guide to Kundalini (Was Kumbhaka...)
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Michele: Ah, klinical kundalini.... Sigh.
KK: Let me guess - perhaps you think modern medicine is a wrong turn as
well?
Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 14:19:31 EDT
From: Soulseeks <SoulseeksATnospamaol.com>
To: onarresATnospaminreach.com, Tom_I_BradleyATnospamEURO.CCMAIL.compuserve.com,
kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: K and the bible and "anger"
Message-ID: <34228677.35631eb5ATnospamaol.com>
Dear Tom,
Most of what you say I completely agree with. Formally being a Catholic
myself, and enduring 12 years of parochial schools. When I graduated from
high school, it was so freeing. Throwing off the guilt..challenging the
system. Well, that was almost 20 years ago., and I've mellowed. I enjoy
the process of learning and keeping an open mind. However, unlike you..if
someone wants to quote a section of the bible they feel is representative of
K., let them have at it. I read many things on this list that do not
relate to my own experiences..but, would it advance my soul any to attack?
Perhaps it is because I don't feel threatened by others beliefs.. or maybe its
something as simple as I want all of us to love one another.
Hi fellow travelers,
I honor all religions, faiths and the way people want to progress on their
path. Each has a right to express that which they believe... but I, like
Tom, do not feel the need to be converted into any religion - I prefer to
say that I have surrendered to the spirituality of the Soul and that is
where I am on my pathway. Religion
per se turns me off, I do want to be controlled by any factor and since I
have free will - well, you may see my point.
If Jesus had wanted a sect to follow him and express his views, perhaps it
should have been called "Gnostic - Universal Love - Christ Way, for he
taught what the sect of the Jewish Gnostics practiced, the Christ
consciousness plus added spirituality that he found along the way in his
quest for the ALL. Incidentally, he found more in India and Egypt. As for
all this other stuff, I feel it's pure control... gotta go to church or
your damned, phooey, not so. I do not nave the need to be loaded down by
guilt.
And for the person who said Jesus was a deceiver, well... all I can say is:
Take a good look and see whom is deceiving whom. I respect your religion,
if it makes you happy, so be it! If one is of any faith or religion and
feels the connection to God, that's wonderful, and I wish you love and
happiness, but don't put it on me.
In other words, don't preach your religion, don't quote the Bible!
The Bible has too many metaphors - we are now in the process of re-writing
that which man believes and knows - kinda like the archeologist remolding
that which they once thought to be correct. They now know that man has
existed on this planet far, far longer than they had estimated. The
Revelations of John? How about the seven chakras that are the seals to be
opened?
I admire any person who aspires to finding the truth in all things - be it
in a church, synagog, temple or simply the spirituality of the Soul. As
long as their search is directed towards the perfection, they'll get there,
maybe not in this lifetime, but then that's why the Creator gave us other
lifetimes in which to find our path. To right that which we wronged, to
correct mistakes, to find that we are all one, everything, everyone is
connected and part of the other no matter where one lives or what color
their skin... we are here to learn and find that path that leads to the
ultimate.
But this list is a kundalini list - we share what we know, about K and its
affects. We read what other people have either read or know from
experience... after all, experience is what we all have. How to cope with
the different risings of K, all these things for the novice that needs to
hear that She/he is heading in the right direction, that they are indeed
not ready for the funny farm. Some are further down the path than others,
and the help to see and understand what is transpiring within them. To
share and experience - not to preach nor convert...
Someone once told me "Religious people haven't a clue, but when they do,
they become ex- religious people" Now I am ready for the backlash - let's
all not hit it at once, but then - criticism and anger falls off me like
the proverbial water off the ducks back - you will not hurt my feelings -
it does not bother me, so have at it... express your views. Sorry for the
bandwidth...
A former Catholic - with blessings dor
At 05:45 AM 5/20/98 -0400, Tom_I_BradleyATnospamEURO.CCMAIL.compuserve.com wrote:
There was a post here a while back - the one in which a christian said
about k -"beware of anything that has to do with a snake". I thought this
post was another example of some evangelist coming in to tell us the error
of our ways, I just don't like people who seek to convert me, whether
they're xtians, moslems or some weird cult. just a quoted passage about
converting >people.
>but the input has come from list members. Just plomping down a biblical
passage as if it was self-explanatory doesn't cut the mustard. Why no
accompanying words from the person who sent the post? Actually I consider
Jesus an admirable human being, but that's neither here nor there.
>Tom
>
>
>
>>
Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 11:41:25 -0700
From: Kurt Keutzer <keutzerATnospameecs.berkeley.edu>
To: "'Harsha1MTM'" <Harsha1MTMATnospamaol.com>, janbarenATnospaminfase.es, DruoutATnospamaol.com
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: RE: Kumbhaka (was RE: Milarepa and pranayama?)
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In a message dated 5/16/1998 4:43:23 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
janbarenATnospaminfase.es writes:
<< With both amazement and amusement I was reading the breath-retention
times.
When I had a little (self-styled) practice of pranayama, the first
thing I
observed was, that the breath-retention times could be more than
doubled, if
I started by saturating the blood completely with oxygen through
conscious
hyper-ventilation to the point where dizziness occurs. >>
Harsha: Yes. Saturating the blood and the tissues with oxygen through
deep
breathing and Bhastrika is one of the many techniques and exercises in
the
overall system of Pranayama to extend breath retention. Dizziness
should be
avoided. Signs of discomfort indicate that one is not practicing
properly.
Experienced Yogis do not recommend extending breath retention times
without
guidance.
KK: The breath reflex apparently occurs not due to the brain determining
that we need oxygen but due to it detecting that there is too much build
up of carbon dioxide. Thus if you hyperventilate then you can trick the
brain into thinking you don't need oxygen when you do. Alternatively,
proper practice of bhastrika can improve the duration of the suspension.
Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 12:23:13 PDT
From: "Joseph Miller" <joemillerATnospamhotmail.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com, serpentATnospamdomin8rex.com
Subject: Fwd: Re: Fwd: Scientific Studies of Kundalini phenomena
Message-ID: <19980520192313.26350.qmailATnospamhotmail.com>
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Sorry folks, I seem to have left an address or two off my original
response to this. Here is what I sent the good doctor.
>From: "Joseph Miller" <joemillerATnospamhotmail.com>
>To: godlasATnospamarches.uga.edu
>Subject: Re: Fwd: Scientific Studies of Kundalini phenomena
>
>Dr. Godlas,
>
>You've gotten a good and clear response from the list owner/maintainer
>with lots of details I only have a few things to add.
>
>"Gene Kieffer used to be on the list, he has for many years been
>carrying on Gopi Krishna's desire to have research done on K., via the
>Kundalini Research Center.(Foundation?)"
>
>I am not sure about a Center or a Foundation but Gene was either a
>founding member or very early member of the Kundalini Research Network
>(KRN to its members). I believe KRN may have started as primarily or
>exclusively a Gopi Krishna related organization. That is no longer the
>case. It is now an organization whose stated purpose is to study
>Kundalini and related phenomena without any restrictions on the
>backgrounds or philosophies of any of the participants.
>
>KRN will have its 1998 annual meeting just down the road from you in
>Atlanta this October (or November, I don't recall which). I know
several
>of the speakers and plan to be there for the conference. It is only
>about three hours from my home and friends will be giving their
>histories with Kundalini.
>
>None of the speakers I know have done work like you're asking about.
>They'll be talking about their personal experiences or about the theory
>and application of Kundalini to the mind and one's experiences in
>general.
>
>The one conference I did attend the speakers fell into a few general
>categories: personal experiences with Kundalini, religious approaches
to
>Kundalini (speakers included: a Rabbi, various Christians, Hindus,
>Witches, Cherokee, and a handful of New Agers but I may have left out a
>religion or two), psychological approaches (three of the board members
>I've met are psychologists), and Lee Sanella (I was spoke after him so
I
>was going over my notes for my talk and don't know what he said).
>
>I don't have any of the details on the 1998 meeting but if you're
>interested I could run down the name of the person to contact in
>Atlanta. She has a speakers list and they've had to give her titles and
>brief descriptions. I'm sure she'd share it with you. From that you
>could see if there is anyone on the list of speaker's addressing issues
>like you're interested in studying.
>
>Other than that I am aware of some work mapping the brain centers
(areas
>of the brain) to various chakras and Kundalini but it is not
>experimental by the Western definition. In the East n=1 is considered
>valid science in these things because the uniqueness of each
>individual's make up and history impacts how Kundalini will act in each
>person. It didn't involve brain scans. I really don't know how much of
>that work is published, I've seen most of it in manuscript form, but I
>would inquire if you'd like.
>
>Let me know if I can be of further help.
>
>Namaste,
>
>Joe
>
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