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kundalini-l-d Digest V98 #383


kundalini-l-d Digest Volume 98 : Issue 383
Today's Topics: Re: Mailing List [ Mystress Angelique Serpent ]
  Re: Bliss [ MariAna Mikula ] Subconscious pressure [ Paul West
To: DianeUre Cc: Kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
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At 01:00 PM 19/05/98 EDT, DianeUre wrote: >I know I signed up to be on the list...but I don't like all the personal mail
>that people are sending each other.....it's too much mail for me to keep up >with and most of it is irrelavant to what I want to know.
>Can you only send me things that are real significant? >Otherwise please remove my name...
>Thanks you. >Diane Ure
> Dear Diane:
   I cannot possibly know what is significant to you, I presume that folks only post things to the list which they consider to be significant enough
to share with 400 people.. whether you consider them so or not is up to you. I certainly have much better things to do with my time than edit the
K-list for you because you cannot be bothered to seek the gems among the sand for yourself. Your computer has a delete button?
   If you want to be unsubscribed, that is something else you will have to do for yourself. Instructions for using the automatic system are below.
  If you want to receive the list in a more compact form that is easier to scan thru, then unsubscribe the main list and re subscribe to the digest
version. Best of luck in your search for significance.
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  ******************************* Date: Tue, 19 May 1998 11:27:23 -0700
From: Mystress Angelique Serpent To: Vahe Ganapetyan
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com Subject: Re: an introduction and some questions
Message-Id:   (grin) A slang term for Germans is "squareheads" I am part German so I
can say that.. it is true, different races have different shaped heads. My head has definite "corners" at the sides along the parietal ridge, and if I
tuck my chin into my neck and tilt my head forward, I can easily balance a book on the back of my crown.
  "Captain Picard" is a classic example of this shape head.. whereas I have observed many black people have very round heads.. and some dutch folks
have very long narrow heads. I used to be a hair stylist, and hair falls differently according to the
head shape.. the task is to create a style to balance it, so one notices these things as a matter of course.
  It also depends on how a child is raised as a baby. Baby's heads are soft, so if they are always put down to sleep in the same position, it will
gradually change the head shape. The early Mayans favored sloped back foreheads, so they had a device with a board on it that gradually reshaped
their babies soft foreheads into a more fashionable shape. I wonder how it affected their growing brains?? They would be decreasing
the amount of room the frontal lobe has to grow.. compressing the ego? Hmmmm...
  Going to a weirder place, I remember hearing somewhere that the high domed head of a Sasquatch is where it carries it's ability to move between
dimensions to avoid photographers..;).. and it's telepathic ability to know if a human carries a camera or a gun.. truth is stranger than fiction..heh
heh. Blessings, Mystress.
At 03:55 PM 19/05/98 +0400, Vahe Ganapetyan wrote:
>>>also heat out of the flat spot on the back of my head >>
>>Is that the flat spot at the top of the back? Mine feels like there's a >>bump on top and a bump in the back and a flat slanting place between them.
> >I have read somewhere that the flat spot on the back of one's head is a
>mark of belonging to an Arian race >
> >
Date: Tue, 19 May 1998 10:32:38 -0700 From: Jo Gilder (by way of Mystress Angelique Serpent )
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com Subject: k awakening
Message-Id: Hello,
I'm very new at this kundalini thing. Recently I had a very strong
energy experience and it was explained to me that I had a kundalini awakening. Now this is not something I sought and I feel very
disjointed. I have no idea how to deal or control this thing. I was told to ground (What the hell is that and HOW?). I would appreciate
some help. I am unable to meditate, be in large groups, or in highly emotional situations without "going off".
Thanks, JO
Date: Tue, 19 May 1998 11:01:11 -0700 From: Mystress Angelique Serpent
To: "Jan Barendrecht" Cc: "Druout" ,
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>Hillary wrote:
>
>> Do you think "phases" are too individual to list, or would you
>> care to help
>> out those who don't know what's coming next!
>>>>
At 12:17 PM 19/05/98 +0100, Jan Barendrecht wrote:
<<...> So knowing the phases in advance
>would not at all be beneficial. It would lead to impatience,
>conceptualization and speculation about events somewhere in the future,
>distracting from one's practice in the "here and now".
>
>Jan
>
   Whoopee!! Thankyou thankyou thankyou Jan. You have just validated the
experience of myself and every unscholarly spontaneously awakened yet happily evolving Kundalite on the list! Beautiful. I'm gonna be smiling
all day.. I have often felt that there are no "premature" awakenings.. Goddess has perfect timing.. but rather, She awakens some in isolation
because She does not want them looking to find the footsteps of another to follow in.
 Limitless creativity wants each path individual as snowflakes.. ranging
foraging for ourselves into places of discovery where others who are following may not be led. Way cool.
   Blessed be. Love, Mystress.
Zdrecht" <janbarenATnospaminfase.es>
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<x-rich>>Hillary wrote:

>

>> Do you think "phases" are too individual to list, or would you

>> care to help

>> out those who don't know what's coming next!

>>>>

<excerpt>At 12:17 PM 19/05/98 +0100, Jan Barendrecht wrote:

</excerpt><<<<...> So knowing the phases in advance

>would not at all be beneficial. It would lead to impatience,

>conceptualization and speculation about events somewhere in the
future,

>distracting from one's practice in the "here and now".

>

>Jan

>

   Whoopee!! Thankyou thankyou thankyou Jan. You have just validated the
experience of myself and every unscholarly spontaneously awakened yet
happily evolving Kundalite on the list! Beautiful. I'm gonna be smiling
all day.. I have often felt that there are no "premature" awakenings..
Goddess has perfect timing.. but rather, She awakens some in isolation
because She does not want them looking to find the footsteps of another
to follow in.

 Limitless creativity wants each path individual as snowflakes.. ranging
foraging for ourselves into places of discovery where others who are
following may not be led. Way cool.

   Blessed be. Love, Mystress.
</x-rich>
Date: Tue, 19 May 1998 16:19:42 -0700
From: Mystress Angelique Serpent <serpentATnospamdomin8rex.com>
To: MariAna Mikula <romeATnospamiwaynet.net>
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re:Bliss
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At 12:39 PM 19/05/98 -0400, MariAna Mikula wrote:
>I wish I could send my message to the list on the whole. I have never
>done that yet.
  Why not? What kind of fears have been stopping you?

> I am offended with that which was sent here.

  You emotions are your own to choose. Why choose that one?

> The
>terminology and the energy that is wasted on 'detail' of the drama of
>written words is, in my truth, not the matter that one should dwell
>upon.
>
  Sweetie, it's email.. text.. print.. words.. that is the medium of the
messages.
 That which we are speaking of cannot ever truly be described in words..
but why should that stop us from trying? That is what Art is made of..
humans trying to immortalize ineffability. Rock on.
   Blessings, Mystress.
Date: Tue, 19 May 1998 20:01:41 EDT
From: Imtgxxx <ImtgxxxATnospamaol.com>
To: blal0004ATnospammaroon.tc.umn.edu
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: Bliss
Message-ID: <e64e061f.35621d66ATnospamaol.com>

Brent writes:
......My girlfriend is like that a lot (convinced she must "do
  things"). I'll try to explain to her how non-attachment and letting go of
  your fears can lead to bliss and trainquility and all that. But she either
  won't quite understand what I'm saying or will intellectually understand
  what I'm saying but won't agree.
   That's because she's choosing to remain attached, right? More thoughts
 below...

You could also say that you were being attached to her understanding what you
are saying. The question would not be "What has she got to learn, but what
is it that I am to learn here?"
 
.... When I've thought about what I do when faced with a source of emotional
  suffering: I think about the actual situation, try to determine what it is
  that I fear losing, and see what I *really* lose. Because I'm a bit of a
  determinist, the goal is always to convince myself that I've lost nothing.
  (There was no way to really avoid that "loss": it was a determined event!
  No sense in clinging to the impossible, right?)
   That what you're talking about?

Noooooo. I don't have to do anything - it's a pure internal shift done for
me. Let's pretend I'm suffering from a broken relationship, or whatever
emotional crisis of the day. If I take a moment and realize that I don't
know what anything, including this (crisis), means (making the thoughts
neutral), and be willing to see it differently, this is when the internal
shift occurs. I am at peace with it all! Acceptance of the whole situation.
I didn't have to do anything but be willing to look at it differently. It is
not something I try to do myself, but is turned over to a Higher Power to make
the internal shift for me. It is so simple to do if you have the
willingness, and is available to anyone. (no copywrite yet on internal
shifts). I'm sure there are different ways and terminology to do this same
thing from different points of view. It is instantaneous. After having this
shift occur many times, you come to realize that suffering IS a choice.
  
 .... I theorize that pain is just the same as any other source of suffering.
Or,
  to be more precise, it's the same as any other thing that people think
  causes them to suffer.

I would have to agree here with this. Suffering is suffering. I've thought
about what you've said and realized that when I'm in physical pain, I do not
use the same steps I do for emotional pain. So I thought I'd do it with this
toothache of mine I have today. Made it neutral, was willing to see it
differently, and the *pain* is gone. I can feel my heart beating in the tooth
and feel something going on, but there is no pain, and no Tylenol.
Interesting. Thanks for clarifying this for me.
 
.... Sounds like you just have magic powers (you "went inside" for a cure for
  your physical problem and *poof!* a doctor appears). I don't think that
  using magic powers to deliver you from situations which you "choose not to
  accept" is actually being free of suffering. It sounds like you're only
  free of the external situations that "cause" them. (Which ain't half
bad...)

But it is an answer to a problem. When an external solution to a problem
occurs, I always think of that story about the woman stuck on the roof of a
house while her whole town is in a flood. She prays to God to save her.
(I'll continue in case someone hasn't heard it, altho it is not all entirely
correct but the gist). A man comes swimming by, telling her to jump - he has
an extra lifejacket she can have. She says, "no thats ok, God is on the way."
Next a boat comes by telling her to get in. "Nope, God is on the way." A
helicopter throw a rope/ladder down to her, and she refuses once again. When
she dies and is face to face with God, she says "I thought you'd save me!
What happened?" And He said, "Well I sent you a lifejacket, a boat, and a
helicopter... why didn't you take them?"

..... I guess I'll have to keep experimenting and see what I discover.

(experimenting right along side ya)

xxxtg

* Think or Thwim *

http://members.aol.com/Teeegeee/tgsplace.html <~~~~ on the web now!

 
Date: Tue, 19 May 1998 20:43:48 -0400
From: MariAna Mikula <romeATnospamiwaynet.net>
To: Mystress Angelique Serpent <serpentATnospamdomin8rex.com>
CC: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: Bliss
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Mystress Angelique Serpent wrote:
>. When we are hurting is when we are most likely
> to surrender and "Run Home to Mother". Blessed be.
> Love, Mystress.

Feeling as though I was caught between logic and sensing, there was a
need to birth out some painful memories of the past. Anxiety grew and
then, looking the dragon in the face I chose to address the emotional
withdrawl/pain. The dragon didn't have to return to a dark corner and
hide and wait. The dragon blew its mighty cleansing firey blow. The
memories became experience/feeling in the now. The tears/cries were all
expressed. The opening within my soul rejoiced. "Trusting" awakened.
Date: 20 May 98 02:07:44 +0000
From: Paul West <paulATnospamstationone.demon.co.uk>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Subconscious pressure
Message-Id: <35623763.MD-0.196.paulATnospamstationone.demon.co.uk>

Hello.

I have strong subconscious pressures which I can barely control. I've
been this way all my life.

I think I can describe myself as sensitive. This sensitivity is kind
of an enhanced receptivity. Perhaps it is awareness, a waryness. I am
aware of even the smallest traces of ego in myself and others.
Particularly in others.

If a person approaches me, for example my mother, she might ask "are
you alright?". I can see that in her expression, not on a surface
level but more subtly, there is a /suggestion/ that I AM alright. I
see this. Perhaps not in a very conscious way. But that subtlety comes
up inside me and acts through me. In this case it will make me nod.

Or, on the other hand, if a person were to say something like "aren't
you going to do such-and-such then?", with a kind of preconceived
notion that I have decided against something, I will see their
suggestion that I will not - it is a negative question - and this
negativity will come up inside me and I will shake my head.

I find it immensely difficult, if possible at all, to control this. It
doesn't matter wether the thing is positive or negative, whatever it's
nature I seem to reflect it. You could describe it as a subconscious
desire to keep people happy. It is part of my disliking of risk or
unpleasantness. I will generally do whatever is necessary to just keep
the person happy. It is through this, perhaps /as/ this, that these
subconscious pressures well up inside me.

In the various different /suggestions/ that a person gives to me
psychologically, even if their actual words say something different, I
respond much more to that suggestion than I do to any question that
might be asked or any phrase which might be said. I seem to relate to
people on a much deeper level underneath the surface of their words.
Most people sort of scare me a bit, the presence of their personality
is so much stronger than mine. What is only a minor trace of ego in
someone's eyes is quite a large chunk in mine. This is not to say that
I add to what is there. It is just that I see more of what they do
not. In a sense, I have high standards of virtue. I am much more aware
of other people's insensitivity than they are, it seems. What one
person might not consider to be very important I will give a
strongly sympathetic ear to. That's not wrong is it?

I must admit there is a `positive' side to this low-level
relationship, in that I can see things which other people censor out.
I am much more likely to give something a fair go than most, and seem
to have this ability to see a situation from all angles. This is good.
But like I say it has a price, and one which I am finding and have
always found hard to cope with, especially living amongst the other
people of the world who are simply less sensitive.

I don't know if this subconscious reflectivity is something that
we might be actually trying to attain as part of our kundalini
progress. In attempting to become more at-one with others are we not
attempting to become more reflective and mirror-like? Because this is
what it's like for me - like being a mirror, except that instead of
things bouncing off me to form an image I actually seem to become the
image myself. Maybe that's right, maybe it's not. I can't tell.

I believe that God is sensitive, and I believe that sensitivity is
necessary in order to not be seperated from reality. At least this is
how I justify it to myself. It may be true. Any trace of insensitivity
within another person and I know about it immediately. I cannot avoid
it. It throws up emotions of insecurity and hostility within me. One
way to put it could be that I psychically experience the other
person's repressed side. It is not that I exhibit the side that they
are broadcasting obviously, because that would make me feel like a
bully when faced with a bully. On the contrary I feel the side which
is hidden and shut away. Am I some sort of release valve for other
people's minds? Am I so personally at-ease that I facilitate the
easing of other people's dis-ease? It all has many strange and
interesting possibilities.

For me though, on a personal level, being sensitive isn't that much
fun. I feel almost like I am reacting all the time rather than
responding, like I have little control or `self'. It makes my identity
change so much that I just don't know if I really have any single
personality. Although part of that is my own moodyness.

I have been progressively learning to try and work /with/ the
pressures so that I have enough awareness to perhaps use it as a tool
- like a psychic inquisition or something. Not only do I see other
people's unspirituality with a rather unpleasant intensity I also
/feel/ it. What their attitude does to themselves it does to me. I
have wondered if I can use this fact in a sympathetic way. I don't
even know if all this is really anything other than an earth-bound
physical-reality experience.

Earlier today this whole thing was going on quite intensely as my
father was talking to me. I started to feel more and more repressed
and more and more sensitive. He wasn't saying anything particularly
bad or offensive, but he was doing it in a rather unspiritual manner -
defining me and guessing my problems and speculating and so on. Maybe
that was only in my own mind. But then, like I've been saying, it was
in his mind too. Amidst the heat of it all my crown chakra decided to
ignite, much more strongly than normal. Had something to do with the
emotions I'm sure.

But I'm not going to simply lay down and say that it is all my own
reaction. It is, at most, a reaction to something that someone is
/actually/ doing. I don't ask other people to be insensitive, and I
don't make them have the hostile attitudes that they do. I know they
have them, I see them, I feel them. They offend me with them. It's not
just that I am taking offence at something that doesn't exist. One
shouldn't be expected to have to talk to someone who is being
offensive as if that person were lovely and gentle. I know that is
perhaps the ultimate goal in realising that God is all, but it is not
happening for me in my life. By default I do not believe there are
many very nice people in the world. Either this is a wrong attitude I
have about things, or it is simply a fact of reality. Perhaps it is
partly both. But that doesn't remove the subconscious pressure.

One of the worst aspects of this subconscious pressure, which might be
surprising to you, is how it makes me feel obliged to smile. That's no
fun at all. It's the suggestion that a person who is offending you has
to be treated as though they are not offending you. I do this because
I am quite a nice person and I am sensitive, and as such I treat most
other people with respect and value. But it's just that they don't
seem to be returning the favour, and it can really hurt.

--
Paul.

IRC: #amiga, Dalnet: #blitz
WWW: http://www.stationone.demon.co.uk
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Date: Tue, 19 May 1998 15:58:17 -1000
From: HOKULIMAATnospamwebtv.net (ROGER POAHA)
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
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Would appreciate anyone out there reading this to please reply to this
message if you feel you can shed light on this matter. Mahalo Nui Loa!
     Also, does anyone of you know how I can get in touch with El
Collie, via email? Would appreciate it very much, also! Mahalo!
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Date: Tue, 19 May 1998 18:08:40 -0700
To: HOKULIMAATnospamwebtv.net (ROGER POAHA)
From: Mystress Angelique Serpent <serpentATnospamdomin8rex.com>
Subject: Re: new list subscriber
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  Hello:
   Thankyou for sharing your story with me. I confess I am not sure why you
are feeling the need to be anonymous.. you could certainly send this post
to the list and I am sure you would get responses from people who could
help you.
  As for alleviating the symptoms, that is like asking to hammer a nail
without making any noise.. or having a baby without feeling pain and
discomfort. The K-produces symptoms of "men at work". She is being
internally remodeled into a temple of Goddess Kundalini, and there is bound
to be some dust and noise in the process, which is easiest handled if
gratitude is offered for it. To me is sounds like she is having a perfectly
normal KA.
   Blessings, Mystress.

At 03:53 PM 17/05/98 -1000, you wrote:
>Dear Sir:
>I am new to this Kundalini list and I have several pressing questions.
>For the time being I wish to remain anonymous.
> My main concern is my wife, Kay, who has had many psychic
>experiences since childhood: She has had a natural psychic abilities,
>which were enhanced by her dad's teachings. Her Dad was gifted, in that
>he was fluent in several languages (Hawaiian, Visayan, Moro, Suban'on
>and several other Filipino languagesl) and was known by many whom he has
>helped heal via Kahuna; he knew several aspects of it. Kay was his
>"assistant" helper since she was 5-6 years old and her father taught her
>many of the things that he knew concerning psychic and Kahuna matters,
>which she has never forgotten. Because of all these, she was very
>mature, mentally, for her young age. Her dad has since passed away,
>leaving her to carry on his teachings. He has had a strong influence
>(and still does!) on her development, psychic and otherwise.
> Since 1982, she has experienced signs and symptoms of spontaneous
>Kundalini awakenings--in fact 98% of all the signs and symptoms as
>documented in El Collie's interesting article concerning those matters,
>in the Kundalini Resource Center website.
> There are so many things I would like to discuss concerning Kay's
>feelings and psychic experiences, but at this time, I would like to just
>discuss these as briefly as possible so as not to bore you.
> Sometime last year, on February 1997, she had a mild stroke which
>landed her in the hospital. However, none of the doctors then and even
>now can explain what is happening to her, physically. So, they are just
>treating her with aspirin.
> She has many times related to me that she suspects her present
>problems (dizziness, numbness, heat-feeling in her left leg, constant
>ringing in the ears, heart pain, itchiness, blurred vision, etc., can be
>traced to the spontaneous awakening of her Kundalini. She wants to get
>in contact with people who have undergone or are still undergoing the
>same sympoms as she, and would also like to know once and for all how
>she can alleviate all that she is going through, physically. She
>wonders if there is someone out there who can help or heal her.
> The article previously discussed, by El Collie, has left a strong
>impression on her as she feels that finally she has met someone who also
>shares her experiences and feelings with her. Also, she is very happy
>there is an organization (KRC) that deals with all matters concerning
>Kundalini. She is quite relieved because of that. Now, she says, she
>has found a way, via KRC, to discuss her feelings concerning that
>matter.
> By the way, does El Collie have an email address to which Kay can
>write to? Is "El" a he or a she? We would greatly appreciate your
>response in this matter.
> We are from Hawaii: Pearl City, on the island of Oahu, and we are
>in our late 50s-plus. Being new on this List, we are not sure whether
>to write to you, directly, or to just post this message where all
>readers can see this and thus increase our chances of being responded to
>by people with similar questions and concerns. So, we decided to write
>to you directly, first, and we will appreciate your opinion as to the
>best way this message should be presented.
> Thank you very much!
>We will be awaiting your response.
>ALOHA! ROGER AND KAY
>
>
Date: Tue, 19 May 1998 21:36:10 -0500
From: Ann Morrison Fisher <annfisherATnospamstic.net>
To: "Joseph Miller" <joemillerATnospamhotmail.com>
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: K and the Bible
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>Rebecca wrote:
>----------------------------
>I wonder why you felt such anger at the mention of the bible. Often on
>the k-lists different books are referred to and quoted. Don't you think
>that open-ness to all ideas is more of a blessing than carrying around
>all that negativity you sent to the list.
>-----------------------------
"Joseph Miller" <joemillerATnospamhotmail.com> wrote:

>Rebecca,
>
>Go Girl!!

Ann:
Ditto!!
>
>When I saw the original post that was a quote from the Bible, I have to
>admit a certain "catch" in the pit of my stomach. I noticed the replies,
>and the one Rebecca was responding to was just the strongest I've seen
>so far but not the only one which was negative about the Christian
>approach/post.
>
>All our posts come with a lot of baggage.

Ain't it the truth! And it's necessary to have some background in
SOMETHING! My college roommate was raised "in freedom," with no
church/religion/spiritual background at all. As a senior in college, she
realized she had no basis for even thinking about such matters and asked
for baptism as an Episcopalian just to get some background in SOMETHING!

>snip<.... but on the whole you've been kind
>enough to allow me to post without attacking me personally, my teachers,
>or my faith. I certainly appreciate that kindness but in all honesty I
>think it is not a courtesy but a right of everyone on this list.

Hear, hear!

>snip<
>If I hate all Christians (or Jews, or Blacks, or whomever) now and deny
>them the rights I expect for myself I will lower myself to the level of
>those racist assholes that stole our home and killed my ancestors. I
>have taken an oath to never, on my worst day, allow that to happen.

Good for you! THAT's standing tall! A man like that cannot be conquered.

>snip<

> "Welcome Christians, have your say!"
>
>My view is so different from yours I may not be able to make sense of
>half of it but I'd like to read a post every now and again that ties, or
>just attempts to tie, that faith to Kundalini.

My eyes were opened when, after reading G.S. Meade's three volumes of
translations and commentaries on the Hermetic (Gnostic, mystery school)
literature of the Hellenistic period around the Mediterranean, with a long
introduction tracing it all from the ancient Egyptian mysteries, I read his
chapter (appendix, maybe) on the influence of all that in Christianity, in
which he explained how many statements in the New Testament can best be
understood in light of a Hermetic/Gnostic background. The terms used are
sometimes lifted right out of those books! If you get a grasp of that
general philosophy/theosophy and its symbolism and then read the New
Testament, it seems apparent that Jesus, Paul, and the author of the Gospel
of John had been initiated into at least one of the mysteries (and they
were all basically the same, perhaps with some different words and symbols).

There were many Gnostic Christians in the early days. Their trinity
generally included one female person - Mary or her mother, Anne,
corresponding to Sophia (Wisdom). But the Gnostic Christians lost out in
the faction fights of the early church, and they were voted heretics. The
whole thing went underground and seems to have surfaced in various places,
including the Grail Cult and the cycle of Grail romances of medieval times.

The New Testament as we have it seems to have been censored, which is why
I'm especially interested in getting a look at Gnostic gospels as they're
discovered and made public.

Love,
Ann

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