1998/05/19 17:02
kundalini-l-d Digest V98 #382
kundalini-l-d Digest Volume 98 : Issue 382
Today's Topics:
Announcement: Change Your Mind Day ' [ Mayuyana <MayuyanaATnospamaol.com> ]
Re: K in the Bible [ "Roberto Gonzales del Valle" <93035 ]
Re: K in the Bible [ "Debora A. Orf" <dorf01ATnospammail.win.or ]
Re: Mailing List [ Kathy <deliriumATnospamfull-moon.com> ]
Re: Bliss [ MariAna Mikula <romeATnospamiwaynet.net> ]
Re: K and Judaism [ Ann Morrison Fisher <annfisherATnospamstic ]
Re: Ego vs Ego [ Druout <DruoutATnospamaol.com> ]
Aura colors (was RE: Ego vs Ego) [ "Joseph Miller" <joemillerATnospamhotmail. ]
Re: Aura colors (was RE: Ego vs Ego) [ Ann Morrison Fisher <annfisherATnospamstic ]
Re: K and the Bible [ "Joseph Miller" <joemillerATnospamhotmail. ]
Re: Mailing list [ "Joseph Miller" <joemillerATnospamhotmail. ]
Re: Aura colors (was RE: Ego vs Ego) [ "Joseph Miller" <joemillerATnospamhotmail. ]
RE: Re: Bliss [ "Jan Barendrecht" <janbarenATnospamcorreo. ]
Re: Bliss [ Mystress Angelique Serpent <serpent ]
Date: Tue, 19 May 1998 15:58:54 EDT
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Subject: Announcement: Change Your Mind Day '98! A day of free Buddhist meditation inst
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Change Your Mind Day
Saturday, June 6: The Fifth Annual Day of Meditation in Central Park
On June 6, 1998, thousands of New Yorkers will find an oasis of silence in
the bustling heart of the city when Tricycle: The Buddhist Review presents and
The Henry Luce Foundation sponsors the Fifth Annual Change Your Mind Day -- a
day of meditation on the Great Hill in Central Park off Central Park West at
106th Street.
Teachers from various Buddhist traditions will give introductory talks and
lead participants in silent meditation and Buddhist chanting. Change Your Mind
Day is designed to introduce meditation practices in a friendly, public
setting free of charge. Participants are invited to relax and enjoy the event.
Teachers and guests this year include:
--Thanissaro Bhikkhu, Theravadin, Metta Forest Monastery near San Diego,
California
--Zoketsu Norman Fischer, Soto Zen, co-abbot of San Francisco Zen Center
--Lama Surya Das, Dzogchen (Tibetan), founder of Dzogchen Foundation in
Cambridge, Massachusetts
--Tamara Engel, Vipassana, co-founder of New York Insight, New York City
--Philip Glass, composer, Oscar nominee for Kundun, longtime Buddhist
practitioner
--Jon Gibson, instrumental & vocal composer performing around the world
--Maggie Newman, tai-chi instructor, will teach contemplative movement as
meditation in action
--Sensei Enyko O'Hara, Soto Zen, Zen teacher, Village Zendo, New York City
--Ven. Kurunegoda Piyatissa, Theravadin, Abbot of the New York Buddhist
Vihara
--Geshe Micheal Roach, ordained Gelugpa monk, Abbot of the Diamond Abbey, New
York City, Founder of Asian Classics Input Program
More and more Americans are expressing an interest in Buddhist meditation
practices and Change Your Mind Day offers a unique opportunity to experience
them. Each year since 1994, nearly two thousand people have participated in
Change Your Mind Day, including many passers-by drawn by the irresistible
sound of silence. Please join us on Saturday, June 6th from 12:30 to 5:30 PM
on the Great Hill in Central Park off Central Park West at West 106th Street.
Contact: Katharine Shields & Rande Brown
telephone: 1-800-950-7008
fax: (212) 645-1493
e-mail: tricycleATnospamwell.com
website: www.tricycle.com
Date: Tue, 19 May 1998 15:06:11 -0500
From: "Roberto Gonzales del Valle" <930359ATnospamaloe.ulima.edu.pe>
To: "Jim Cook" <jimcATnospamsonic.net>
Cc: "Kundalini List" <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Re: K in the Bible
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Hi all:
It not necessarily against us. It is all about interpretation. Let´s not be
to touchy about the bible. It is a wise book. Changes are coming and we are
probably headed into the final chapter (not saying that the first chapters
aren´t importatnt -it is ALL wise as SO many other books), I mean the
apocalipse. Doesn´t anybody feel it coming being the plages AIDS and all
that beast 666 visions? Could be. Perhaps it is time to start the new books,
perhaps we are doing that already. But in the meantime let´s be open to the
ones that share. That is what the list is all about, isn´t it?
Well, I personally related Kundalini to this particular portion of the text:
>And into whatsoever house ye enter, first say, Peace be to this house.
>And if the son of peace be there, your peace shall rest upon it: if not,
it
>shall turn to you again...
>Blessed are the eyes which see the things that ye see: For I tell you, that
>many prophets and kings have desired to see those things which ye see and
>have not seen them; and to hear those things which ye hear, and have
>not heard them.
ST LUKE 10: 3-9, 23-24
Fantastic!
Love to you all
Roberto.
Date: Tue, 19 May 1998 15:13:40 -0500 (CDT)
From: "Debora A. Orf" <dorf01ATnospammail.win.org>
To: Roberto Gonzales del Valle <930359ATnospamaloe.ulima.edu.pe>
cc: Jim Cook <jimcATnospamsonic.net>, Kundalini List <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>,
kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: K in the Bible
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does this mean i can start quoting long sutra passages if i wanna ;)?
--janpa
Date: Tue, 19 May 1998 15:22:35 +0100
From: Kathy <deliriumATnospamfull-moon.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: Mailing List
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Diane said:
> I know I signed up to be on the list...but I don't like all the personal mail
> that people are sending each other.....it's too much mail for me to keep up
> with and most of it is irrelavant to what I want to know.
> Can you only send me things that are real significant?
>
Hooboy, that's a rich one, Diane! <LOL> (that and the rest of this post is NOT to
be taken very seriously...I'm gonna rib you on what you said, but with love...it
struck me as so very funny and ironic)
Okay, list, everybody listen up: Here's a lady who apparently knows from real
significant!
Diane, please share your definition of *Real Significant* with the rest of us, so
we will know what to post, okay?
Lookie here, somebody who actually knows what she wants!!!
Yay!
--Love & much Laughter...Delirium
Date: Tue, 19 May 1998 16:42:47 -0400
From: MariAna Mikula <romeATnospamiwaynet.net>
To: Brent Blalock <blal0004ATnospammaroon.tc.umn.edu>
CC: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: Bliss
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Brent Blalock wrote:
>
> - I think that the anger you feel now
> could be treated like any other source of suffering and dealt with in the
> manner you see fit. When I find myself upset because someone is pretending
> to be an authority on a subject which they aren't, I just remind myself that
> they are a foolish person and that's what foolish people do. No sense in
> being angry because a foolish person is being foolish...
>
> Does that help?
Of course. Angry? My being offended comes from the 'disappointment'
generated by individuals judging others as being right or wrong.
Angry? Perhaps because I was judging the judgers. Thanks for the
neutral accountibility! Judging oneself is a comfort zone I cherish.
It allows me to dwell in a haven of acceptance. Soul to soul I see us
all as being accepted. Just a personal note.
Date: Tue, 19 May 1998 15:40:32 -0500
From: Ann Morrison Fisher <annfisherATnospamstic.net>
To: "Peter A. Salzman" <psalzmanATnospamwesleyan.edu>
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: K and Judaism
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"Peter A. Salzman" <psalzmanATnospamwesleyan.edu> wrote:
>I guess this might be part two of thoughts on Old Testament and Judaic
>understandings of K...
Wonderful post, Pete! Thanks so much! :)
>>Shechinah is presence, the presence of God... By the mystics Shechinah
>>is considered to be the feminine and immanent aspect of the divine but
>>not in a dualistic gendered way. In my experience I have found it
>>meaninful to equate Shechinah with Kundalini///// The shechinah is
>>described as God's soul mate in exile...
Has it struck you that the names "Shekinah" and "Shakti" look awfully
close? I wonder if there could be a common origin way, way back...
I have a few questions that I hope you can answer. I've read Waite on
Kabbalah a couple of times, but I don't have it here now, just some
material from it and a Xerox of the Sephirotic Tree.
Are we living in Assiah, the Fourth World, now? Is Malkuth, the Kingdom,
part of Assiah or above it?
According to what I have, Pardes, a Garden and thus Paradise, is the Four
Worlds in synthesis. Is that the same as Eden or not? Is/was Eden all
four, or Assiah, or above Assiah?
What is the meaning of Kadmon, as in Adam Kadmon? He seems to be the
entire Sephirotic Tree - does that include even Kether? I'd be very
interested in anything you'd care to say about Adam Kadmon - and Eden too.
Love,
Ann
Date: Tue, 19 May 1998 16:48:06 EDT
From: Druout <DruoutATnospamaol.com>
To: janbarenATnospaminfase.es
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: Ego vs Ego
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In a message dated 98-05-19 07:17:43 EDT, janbarenATnospaminfase.es writes:
<< So knowing the phases in advance
would not at all be beneficial. It would lead to impatience,
conceptualization and speculation about events somewhere in the future,
distracting from one's practice in the "here and now". >>
Thanks Jan,
I guess I'll just have to practice that patience! :)
Love, Hillary
Date: Tue, 19 May 1998 14:49:48 PDT
From: "Joseph Miller" <joemillerATnospamhotmail.com>
To: nfisherATnospamstic.net
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com, janbarenATnospaminfase.es
Subject: Aura colors (was RE: Ego vs Ego)
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Ann wrote:
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Muktananda lists four colors that he says you will see in relation to
the four bodies, depending on what level you're working on. I don't see
the same colors, but I'll bet his students did, because they expected to
and their framework of perception was conditioned.
<snip>
I think most colors are symbolic and vary with the individual's symbol
system. Maybe not all, though. Of course, in cases where a color has
been widely associated with a level or quality, it might be hard to tell
how much is "straight" experience and how much is symbolic from cultural
conditioning.
-------------------
This is an interesting point. I've noticed a difference in the
perception of colors by different people looking at the same person. I
know there is a difference in aura colors in each of us as we have our
mood changes but some of the base color information should be consistant
yet is very different from different viewers and hard to explain.
I've always debated as to the cause of the differences. I've gone back
and forth between a cultural difference and the chakra the viewer was
coming from when they described what they saw.
It is possible to see auras without any chakra (other than root) being
open, that was all that Vajra, Saraswati, etc. nadi stuff and their
access to the brain centers that actually control the powers such as
seeing auras. The best and most consistant viewers (can always do it)
would be from people who've made it into throat (the psychic power
chakra) or on up to the clairvoiant window in Ajna Chakra as well as
the realized beings.
I have a friend who is a professional psychic. The colors he sees are
not the same as my teacher from India sees (and, in at least some cases,
says are in ancient texts, I don't ask about everything). These two are
not at the same chakra.
That difference is for aura colors only though. When he was looking at
and trying to understand and describe the Kundalini/Chakra color of
someone who had gotten K into and then opened throat chakra my American
psychic friend saw a color he was having trouble describing. I showed
him the throat chakra plate in "Serpent Power" whose color is refered to
as "smokey purple" in the English translation of that text. He was
excited and said "That's it, that's it, never heard of smokey purple but
that's sure what it is."
Why the difference on body auras but the chakras coming out the same is
a puzzle to me. I'd think the same sorts of built in "filters" or biases
would apply, no matter what their cause.
Namaste,
Joe
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Date: Tue, 19 May 1998 17:17:53 -0500
From: Ann Morrison Fisher <annfisherATnospamstic.net>
To: "Joseph Miller" <joemillerATnospamhotmail.com>
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: Aura colors (was RE: Ego vs Ego)
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>Ann wrote:
>-------------------
>Muktananda lists four colors that he says you will see in relation to
>the four bodies, depending on what level you're working on. I don't see
>the same colors, but I'll bet his students did, because they expected to
>and their framework of perception was conditioned.
><snip>
>I think most colors are symbolic and vary with the individual's symbol
>system. Maybe not all, though. Of course, in cases where a color has
>been widely associated with a level or quality, it might be hard to tell
>how much is "straight" experience and how much is symbolic from cultural
>conditioning.
>-------------------
>Joe wrote:
>This is an interesting point. I've noticed a difference in the
>perception of colors by different people looking at the same person. I
>know there is a difference in aura colors in each of us as we have our
>mood changes but some of the base color information should be consistant
>yet is very different from different viewers and hard to explain.
>
>I have a friend who is a professional psychic....
>...When he was looking at
>and trying to understand and describe the Kundalini/Chakra color of
>someone who had gotten K into and then opened throat chakra my American
>psychic friend saw a color he was having trouble describing. I showed
>him the throat chakra plate in "Serpent Power" whose color is refered to
>as "smokey purple" in the English translation of that text. He was
>excited and said "That's it, that's it, never heard of smokey purple but
>that's sure what it is."
------------------
Ann:
Hmm, I don't see smokey purple there. Might be interesting to know how
many people do.
On the other hand, one of Danijel's students has very good higher vision
and sees things very symbolically, as I do. So I've been studying what I
could of her symbol system, and now I'm seeing colors pretty much as she
does. Makes for good communication!
Love,
Ann
Date: Tue, 19 May 1998 15:25:23 PDT
From: "Joseph Miller" <joemillerATnospamhotmail.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Cc: SoulseeksATnospamaol.com
Subject: Re: K and the Bible
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Rebecca wrote:
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I wonder why you felt such anger at the mention of the bible. Often on
the k-lists different books are referred to and quoted. Don't you think
that open-ness to all ideas is more of a blessing than carrying around
all that negativity you sent to the list.
-----------------------------
Rebecca,
Go Girl!!
When I saw the original post that was a quote from the Bible, I have to
admit a certain "catch" in the pit of my stomach. I noticed the replies,
and the one Rebecca was responding to was just the strongest I've seen
so far but not the only one which was negative about the Christian
approach/post.
All our posts come with a lot of baggage. My training is Hindu and
Cherokee. Hindu having a long written history that is what I've written
about. Generally, I can either support what I've said or get my hands or
something I can quote to correct me when I've blown it. At least if you
accept the paradigm I'm using. I doubt a lot of you really give a rat's
ass about either of these approaches but on the whole you've been kind
enough to allow me to post without attacking me personally, my teachers,
or my faith. I certainly appreciate that kindness but in all honesty I
think it is not a courtesy but a right of everyone on this list.
I've had some serious problems with Christianity over the years. I was
raised in a Baptist home and my open mindedness on the subjects of
religion, ethics, and other things weren't welcomed. One of my ancestors
was forced to forget his language speak only English and abandon our
religion to survive in a Christian orphanage in Oklahoma after the
government had marched his mother to her death. But the fact is all of
those Christians had good intentions.
If I hate all Christians (or Jews, or Blacks, or whomever) now and deny
them the rights I expect for myself I will lower myself to the level of
those racist assholes that stole our home and killed my ancestors. I
have taken an oath to never, on my worst day, allow that to happen.
There will be times I may not be much but I will always be better than
that.
For my part:
"Welcome Christians, have your say!"
My view is so different from yours I may not be able to make sense of
half of it but I'd like to read a post every now and again that ties, or
just attempts to tie, that faith to Kundalini. It might be good for both
of us.
Namaste,
Joe
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Date: Tue, 19 May 1998 15:50:25 PDT
From: "Joseph Miller" <joemillerATnospamhotmail.com>
To: DianeUreATnospamaol.com
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: Mailing list
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You wrote:
- ----------------------------
I know I signed up to be on the list...but I don't like all the personal
mail that people are sending each other.....it's too much mail for me to
keep up with and most of it is irrelavant to what I want to know. Can
you only send me things that are real significant?
Otherwise please remove my name...
- ----------------------------
Diane,
What's significant?
I am not trying to be a pain I am really interested in what you're
after. If you have specific questions ask them.
You're right about too much of our posts being our stuff, it is a common
list problem. But having been on over a half-dozen lists over the years
this one has as little or less (since our "clean up" last month) than
any unmoderated list I've been on.
Though they do stay on topic better, I don't like moderated lists, they
require too much work of the moderator and sooner or later all the work
he or she does will make him/her start to use the moderator's power to
control the posts that get onto the list to screen out people they
personally don't like or ideas they don't like.
You might try unsubscribing to the K-list and subscribing to the K-list
digest. I get all the messages in about two e-mails a day. It makes it
easy to check out the people posting and the stated topics in that
digest. I don't screen by that, but many people do. I'll page down and
perhaps look at the first line to four lines in every post and either
stop and read or hit page down again. It takes a very few minutes to go
through the entire digest. If nothing is worth reading, IMHO, that day
I'll finish the average day's two digests in just under 3 minutes (I am
a slow reader, I like words). Given the value I find on other days it is
worth that. Truth is, I seldom get through a digest without stopping to
read something.
Namaste,
Joe
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Date: Tue, 19 May 1998 16:03:21 PDT
From: "Joseph Miller" <joemillerATnospamhotmail.com>
To: annfisherATnospamstic.net
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: Aura colors (was RE: Ego vs Ego)
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>>Joe wrote:
<snip>
>>I showed him the throat chakra plate in "Serpent Power" whose color
>>is refered to as "smokey purple" in the English translation of that
>>text. He was excited and said "That's it, that's it, never heard of
>>smokey purple but that's sure what it is."
>------------------
>Ann:
>
>Hmm, I don't see smokey purple there. Might be interesting to know
>how many people do.
>
Ann,
It may have to do with the chakra being open and K residing in throat
chakra at that moment. My psychic friend had been working with this
person (also a friend) for over a decade before this and had never seen
that color, at throat or elsewhere, before. The person had just opened
throat, with all the unbelievable stuff that can go along with that, and
it had been an interesting opening. The person has gone on to Ajna since
then and my psychic friend hasn't mentioned that color again to either
of us.
Just a theory.
Namaste,
Joe
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Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 00:11:36 +0100
From: "Jan Barendrecht" <janbarenATnospamcorreo.infase.es>
To: "Danijel Turina" <sinisa.turinaATnospamzg.tel.hr>
Cc: <kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com>
Subject: RE: Re: Bliss
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Danijel Turina wrote:
<snip>
> Danijel has a clue, yes. Danijel also had experiences "classical
> literature" describes extremely poorly, actually the theosophycal
> literature describes what I experienced most accurately, but even
> there the
> terms aren't well fixed, so I have to invent some of my own. If
> you were in
> savikalpa samadhi, you know the experience. Now, imagine the surroundings
> and beings that are _made_ of that, where the light and form aren't just
> light and form, but satcitananda, saguna, sarupya.
<snip>
Savikalpa samadhi is the Vedanta equivalent of samprajnata-samadhi in
classical yoga. Its principal forms are:
vitarka (cogitation) = vitarka+vicara+ananda+asmita
vicara (reflexion) = vicara+ananda+asmita
ananda (bliss) = ananda+asmita
asmita (I-am-ness) = asmita
The I-am-ness is the I-am-as-an-individual or consciousness-of-personality
experience, one of the five causes of affliction. Because of this, these
types of samadhi can pose a few pitfalls. Three of them are:
1) the idea of having achieved the goal or being near to it
2) desire for repetition of the ecstasy some of these states can produce
3) false interpretation of perceived phenomena (because personality,
influenced by ecstasy is involved)
Regarding the second, as in nature everything is balanced, one will
experience an alternation of periods of ecstasy and depression (when ecstasy
and visions are absent). Depression will feed the desire for ecstasy so the
circle is closed. The longer this situation continues, the less likely one's
escape from it. It is even possible that one interprets the perceived
phenomena / knowledge as coming directly from God, with the predictable
result of a turbo boost for the personality-experience, creating desire for
more. When one finally succeeds in finding a more or less coherent
explanation for the perceived phenomena, they are sometimes used to fill
books. Not too long ago, anthroposophists in Holland had an argument with
authorities over race-discrimination. Despite his inspired visions, Rudolf
Steiner had no knowledge of the fact, that K. was known in ancient Africa.
If he would be alive, he could be forced to rewrite several parts of his
books. As personality is the core of Western culture, it comes as no
surprise that Westerners are very easily trapped in the savikalpa samadhis.
Take care...
Jan
Date: Tue, 19 May 1998 15:50:38 -0700
From: Mystress Angelique Serpent <serpentATnospamdomin8rex.com>
To: "Brent Blalock" <blal0004ATnospammaroon.tc.umn.edu>
Cc: "Imtgxxx" <ImtgxxxATnospamaol.com>,
"Kundalini - L" <kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com>
Subject: Re: Bliss
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At 10:50 AM 19/05/98 -0500, Brent Blalock wrote:
>I think I've removed aversion to minor burns. On hot days, I can walk
>barefoot on hot asphalt and burn my feet (they blister somewhat if I let
>them) without suffering any. I'd step onto the asphalt and wait until my
>feet got hot. The longer I stayed there, they hotter they'd get, and the
>more painful standing there would become. I'd wait until they hurt, but I'd
>always keep level of pain from becoming uncomfortable (baby steps...). If I
>relaxed and let go of the thought that says "that's pain and pain is bad", I
>found that the pain wasn't didn't cause any suffering and that the sensation
>was pleasurable simply because it was so intense. I've been able to apply
>the same technique to walking barefoot on rough surfaces (forest, gravel,
>dirt roads, etc.).
>
>Can it be that I've found The Way Out? I'm not so sure, as I explain below.
>
Yes, you have. Well done. It is this same effect that is the basis of the
training I do. It is the basis of the BDSM Tantric Mystery School I am
manifesting.
Pain in itself is only sensation and it is our attitudes of resistance to
it, and fear, that make it uncomfortable. These attitudes are conditioning
and can be released, or simply traded for more fulfilling attitudes.
Acceptance and gratitude. Offer love, instead.
Next time you are conducting this experiment, try holding the idea of
thanking Goddess for giving you feet that can feel pleasure and hot
pavement for them to feel.. thank the feet and the pavement and the sun,
too.. count your blessings.. and trip into a whole new level of bliss..
Goddess provides.
It was to learn this mystery that my K. drew me into the fetish world, as
a part of my evolution..
Many years ago (1990?) as a "vanilla" grrrl I cast a wish/decision/prayer
that I had had enough of suffering and henceforth wanted/chose to learn
from bliss, instead. At that time I vibrated with the confirmation that my
prayer had been heard and looked to see it's manifestation.
Still suffering came, but Goddess answer was to draw me gradually into
this strange BDSM world to unrepress my own attitudes and know firsthand
that there are those who seek suffering actively, because for them it is
bliss, and to learn their secret. My version of "dancing in the cremation
grounds".. or is it meditating..??
There are still some kinds of pain that I try to avoid.. physical and
emotional sensations that I have not yet learned to accept with gratitude..
tough to love a migraine, but where once my migraines used to last for
three days to a week, now they are seldom and not more than a day. I accept
their occasional presence as a part of my Tao.. it feels so good when it
stops!
The form of the light is defined by the shadows.. they need each other to
give us all of the colors and textures we perceive. The perfection we do
not see because we go out of the moment into conditioned attitudes and
judgments. Yet pain is wonderfully focusing, and it is really difficult to
not be in the moment with the pain when it is occurring.. it demands
attention like nothing else. When we are hurting is when we are most likely
to surrender and "Run Home to Mother". Blessed be.
Love, Mystress.
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