1998/05/19 09:52
kundalini-l-d Digest V98 #380
kundalini-l-d Digest Volume 98 : Issue 380
Today's Topics:
Re: Enlightenment (Please don't be s [ Imtgxxx <ImtgxxxATnospamaol.com> ]
another introduction [ Vahe Ganapetyan <vaheATnospamarminco.com> ]
K in the Bible [ Jim Cook <jimcATnospamsonic.net> ]
RE: Ego vs Ego [ Ann Morrison Fisher <annfisherATnospamstic ]
Re: another introduction [ Jerry <umbadaATnospamns.sympatico.ca> ]
Re: Bliss [ Imtgxxx <ImtgxxxATnospamaol.com> ]
Re: Re: Enlightenment (Please don't [ Harsha1MTM <Harsha1MTMATnospamaol.com> ]
Shahanshah's dark night of the soul [ Harsha1MTM <Harsha1MTMATnospamaol.com> ]
RE: K in the Bible [ Tom_I_BradleyATnospamEURO.CCMAIL.compuserv ]
Re: kundalini [ "Lobster" <lobsterATnospamdial.pipex.com> ]
suffering was Re:Bliss [ "Dan Margolis"<Dan_MargolisATnospamabm.com ]
Re: Bliss [ "Brent Blalock" <blal0004ATnospammaroon.tc ]
Re: K in the Bible [ Soulseeks <SoulseeksATnospamaol.com> ]
Re: Enlightenment (Please don't be s [ "Sandeep Chatterjee" <sandeepcATnospambom3 ]
Re:Bliss [ MariAna Mikula <romeATnospamiwaynet.net> ]
K in the Bible [ "Peter A. Salzman" <psalzmanATnospamwesley ]
Date: Tue, 19 May 1998 07:34:42 EDT
From: Imtgxxx <ImtgxxxATnospamaol.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: Enlightenment (Please don't be sorry!)
Message-ID: <644c6002.35616e54ATnospamaol.com>
sandeepcATnospambom3.vsnl.net.in writes:
.... In the state of enlightenment if the "you" remains, then is it
enlightenment
or delusion?
Enlightenment or Delusion?
That is the question.
If, in the illusion, or Truth, of light
only You remains,
then
are YOU enlightened?
Or is it,
you ARE enlightened?
YOU ARE the light
that shines forth in all its glory.
There is nothing else.
xxxtg
* To keep milk from turning sour, keep it in the cow *
http://members.aol.com/Teeegeee/tgsplace.html <~~~~ on the web now!
Date: Tue, 19 May 1998 16:32:44 +0400
From: Vahe Ganapetyan <vaheATnospamarminco.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: another introduction
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Hi everybody,
I've been lurking here for quite a few days, and decided to share an
experience I have had a few years ago. I never felt something as clear and
intensive since then, but it has deeply rooted in my consciousness and
affected my understanding of things.
I was resting after meditation, lying with eyes closed, when I had the
sensation. First, it was a tickling movement along my spine, from the base
of my neck, and down. Then, I saw light. Not that there was a source for
it, or I saw anything, but there was some radiance. It is hard to explain
this by words, but I felt that "I am", and there was unity in everything,
existent and non-existent. I had a great love feeling, and happyness, but
this was not an emotion - just the feeling of existence and unity - bliss.
This lasted for a second or two, perhaps, but no time existed while I was
in this state.
Any comments?
Vahe
Date: Tue, 19 May 1998 04:42:13 -0700
From: Jim Cook <jimcATnospamsonic.net>
To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: K in the Bible
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Go your ways: behold, I send you forth as lambs among wolves.
Carry neither purse, nor scrip, nor shoes: and salute no man by the way.
And into whatsoever house ye enter, first say, Peace be to this house.
And if the son of peace be there, your peace shall rest upon it: if not, it
shall turn to you again. And in the same house remain, eating and drinkin
such things as they give: for the laborer is worthy of his hire.
Go not from house to house. And into whatsoever city ye enter, and they
receive you, eat such things as are set before you: And heal the sick that
are therein, and say unto them, The kingdom of God is come nigh unto you.
Blessed are the eyes which see the things that ye see: For I tell you, that
many prophets and kings have desired to see those things which ye see and
have not seen them; and to hear those things which ye hear, and have
not heard them. ST LUKE 10: 3-9, 23-24
Date: Tue, 19 May 1998 07:09:46 -0500
From: Ann Morrison Fisher <annfisherATnospamstic.net>
To: "Jan Barendrecht" <janbarenATnospaminfase.es>
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: RE: Ego vs Ego
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"Jan Barendrecht" <janbarenATnospaminfase.es>
>Most lights and visions will vary
>greatly and so will several subtle sounds.
Muktananda lists four colors that he says you will see in relation to the
four bodies, depending on what level you're working on. I don't see the
same colors, but I'll bet his students did, because they expected to and
their framework of perception was conditioned. I see a pink and deep rose
on one plane, and it means something specific to me because of past
experience, but I don't really expect anyone else to see the same colors
there and interpret them the same way.
In short, I think most colors are symbolic and vary with the individual's
symbol system. Maybe not all, though. Of course, in cases where a color
has been widely associated with a level or quality, it might be hard to
tell how much is "straight" experience and how much is symbolic from
cultural conditioning.
Love,
Ann
Date: Tue, 19 May 1998 09:59:29 -0700
From: Jerry <umbadaATnospamns.sympatico.ca>
To: Vahe Ganapetyan <vaheATnospamarminco.com>
CC: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: another introduction
Message-ID: <3561BA71.79EEATnospamns.sympatico.ca>
Vahe Ganapetyan wrote:
>
> Hi everybody,
>
> I've been lurking here for quite a few days, and decided to share an
> experience I have had a few years ago. I never felt something as clear and
> intensive since then, but it has deeply rooted in my consciousness and
> affected my understanding of things.
>
> I was resting after meditation, lying with eyes closed, when I had the
> sensation. First, it was a tickling movement along my spine, from the base
> of my neck, and down. Then, I saw light. Not that there was a source for
> it, or I saw anything, but there was some radiance. It is hard to explain
> this by words, but I felt that "I am", and there was unity in everything,
> existent and non-existent. I had a great love feeling, and happyness, but
> this was not an emotion - just the feeling of existence and unity - bliss.
> This lasted for a second or two, perhaps, but no time existed while I was
> in this state.
>
> Any comments?
>
> Vahe
Hi Vahe,
My understanding is that meditation upon the vital force will bring
understanding of nonduality. In time (and it may be a second or many
years) the sense of I Am arrives and grows until one abides as That, as
The I Am or the Self.
These are the two "objects" of attention available to you: the vital
force and the sense of I Am. The former leads to the latter. Eventually
the I Am is transcended.
Therefore, Vahe, consider letting go of attending to the vital force and
attend to I Am. If Kundalini activity is meant to be, it will happen
even through attention upon I Am.
In fact, there is no more natural grounding exercise than attention upon
I Am.
In support of what I am saying, you might want to read The Nisargadatta
Song of I Am at http://www3.ns.sympatico.ca/umbada/iam.htm
Best,
Jerry
Date: Tue, 19 May 1998 08:56:47 EDT
From: Imtgxxx <ImtgxxxATnospamaol.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: Bliss
Message-ID: <3117e256.35618191ATnospamaol.com>
Brent writes:
What about suffering horribly? Suffering could be the result of attachment,
but it exists nonetheless. If it weren't for suffering, I'd agree with you
most wholeheartedly.
Suffering IS (not could be) the result of attachment. Each person has the
same access to letting go of the suffering as Buddha did. Suffering is a
choice.
Easy for me to say when I'm not in great physical pain as some are. Emotional
attachments are simple to let go of, once you have the awareness of what is
really going on. I'm sure the physical suffering attachments are the same,
although as yet, I have not been able to figure this one out. Is the
physical pain REALLY from attachment to something? (maybe to being out of
pain or to feel well?). Does our answer for relief from suffering lie in our
brothers, ie. doctors, or someone recommending some form of relief? If I am
in physical pain, I will go within for the answer -- what occurs from that is
usually an answer in the form of someone else coming up with the answer (go to
the doctor, do this or that). Unlike the emotional suffering that can be
transformed internally from within, the physical suffering seems to be
transformed externally, for me. Once I go within, I can be at peace with it,
(although in pain) knowing that God is on the case.
I would think though, at some level, that once your internal thoughts are
entirely purified, then there would be no suffering externally, no pain, no
ill health, of the body at all.
xxxtg <~~~ suffering with a choice of a toothache this morning
(Thank God for Tylenol!)
* I'm not into working out. My philosophy: No pain, no pain *
http://members.aol.com/Teeegeee/tgsplace.html <~~~~ on the web now!
Date: Tue, 19 May 1998 09:29:09 EDT
From: Harsha1MTM <Harsha1MTMATnospamaol.com>
To: ImtgxxxATnospamaol.com, umbadaATnospamns.sympatico.ca, kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: Re: Enlightenment (Please don't be sorry!)
Message-ID: <c85efabf.35618926ATnospamaol.com>
In a message dated 5/19/1998, 7:35:07 AM, ImtgxxxATnospamaol.com writes:
<<YOU ARE the light
that shines forth in all its glory. There is nothing else. xxxtg
>>
Jerry Katz wrote: My understanding is that meditation upon the vital force
will bring
understanding of nonduality. In time (and it may be a second or many
years) the sense of I Am arrives and grows until one abides as That, as
The I Am or the Self.
These are the two "objects" of attention available to you: the vital
force and the sense of I Am. The former leads to the latter. Eventually
the I Am is transcended.
Harsha: Beautiful notes from XXXTG and Jerry Katz. May I add one of my
favorite quotes from Patanjali (Sutra 1.3) from Samadhi-Pada. "Then (upon the
dissolution of vrttis) The Seer rests in His (Her) Own True Nature."
Date: Tue, 19 May 1998 09:59:02 EDT
From: Harsha1MTM <Harsha1MTMATnospamaol.com>
To: peswaniATnospamgiaspn01.vsnl.net.in, kundalini-l-requestATnospamexecpc.com
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Shahanshah's dark night of the soul
Message-ID: <650b6c74.35619028ATnospamaol.com>
In a message dated 5/18/1998, 8:03:34 AM, peswaniATnospamgiaspn01.vsnl.net.in writes:
<<Dear friends,
It is good-bye for the time being.
If something comes up, I can come back.
good luck
ram peswani...egoist ram....shahanshah....nothing (This is the time of
dark night of soul).......???????.........bodhisattva
>>
Harsha: Best wishes dear Peshwani to you and your family. Say hello to Kishan
for me. With love...........
Date: Tue, 19 May 1998 10:45:24 -0400
From: Tom_I_BradleyATnospamEURO.CCMAIL.compuserve.com
To: "INTERNET:kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com" <kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com>
Subject: RE: K in the Bible
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Yeah, yeah, but what has that to do with kundalini, mister christian?
Just because you're bowled over by one rule book doesn't mean
that its contents have to be foisted upon us unasked for. And by
the way the advice is to "heal the sick that are therein". Can you
do that? No? Then the contents of that biblical passage don't
truly apply to you either. Religiously fixated people are notable
for their smug absolutism. And their arrogance.
Thomas Bradley
Go your ways: behold, I send you forth as lambs among wolves.
Carry neither purse, nor scrip, nor shoes: and salute no man by the way.
And into whatsoever house ye enter, first say, Peace be to this house.
And if the son of peace be there, your peace shall rest upon it: if not, it
shall turn to you again. And in the same house remain, eating and drinkin
such things as they give: for the laborer is worthy of his hire.
Go not from house to house. And into whatsoever city ye enter, and they
receive you, eat such things as are set before you: And heal the sick that
are therein, and say unto them, The kingdom of God is come nigh unto you.
Blessed are the eyes which see the things that ye see: For I tell you, that
many prophets and kings have desired to see those things which ye see and
have not seen them; and to hear those things which ye hear, and have
not heard them. ST LUKE 10: 3-9, 23-24
Date: Mon, 18 May 1998 13:47:02 +0100
From: "Lobster" <lobsterATnospamdial.pipex.com>
To: "Kundalini - L" <kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com>
Subject: Re: kundalini
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>Lobster wrote:
>> Hi Faith,
>> Welcome. Trust in God. How wonderful. You will find there is a rich
>> Christian mystical tradition:
>> The Cloud of Unknowing, The Phylokalia, The Interior Castle, Thomas
Merton
>> and so on. All these deal with 'The Spirit' or 'Holy Ghost' or the state
of
>> 'Grace' which you have entered. Good luck.
>>
>> Peace
>> Lobster
>Hello Lobster,
>I am not a christian,I do not believe in this man jesus.He is the
>deciever.amen.I am a servent of YHVH.
Oh my apologies Faith,
Hail Satan. Prince of All truth and envoy of the only True God JHVH.
>I call my kundalini The golden Serpent,the Rod of Moses.
>I have bbeen taught by no man,only by the spirit.I can see in
>spirit reaml,eyes open or closed,don't matter.I even bring
>people up the tree of life,to feel absolute presense of YHVH.
>Have you ever see the tree of life?
Yes I have seen it next to a lamp post in a cupboard. I have also seen the
Qlippoth which are the roots of the tree. I call my Kundalini "Cecil" -
Cecil the Serpent. I also feel the Absolute Pretense of YHVH - Do you speak
Atlantean?
Hail JHVH or is it YHVH or some other four letter word - nope it must be
Cecil.
A True Servant of the Holy Jehovah
Friend of Cecil
PEACE to THEE
(Mad as a) Lobster
PS - if you do not find this funny - you are mad (oops Kundalini awakened .
. . ) - happens :-D
http://ds.dial.pipex.com/town/park/gcn23/html_kno/kunda.html
Kundalini Psychosis by Yogi Tom
Date: Tue, 19 May 1998 08:18:21 -0700
From: "Dan Margolis"<Dan_MargolisATnospamabm.com>
To: blal0004ATnospammaroon.tc.umn.edu, acarreATnospamconcentric.net,
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Subject: suffering was Re:Bliss
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>
>>Love, Love, Love
>>Life, death, life
>>It's so wonderfull.
>>I can't imagine anything more beautifull.
>
>
>What about suffering horribly? Suffering could be the result of
attachment,
>but it exists nonetheless. If it weren't for suffering, I'd agree with
you
>most wholeheartedly.
There is no suffering...
Date: Tue, 19 May 1998 10:50:56 -0500
From: "Brent Blalock" <blal0004ATnospammaroon.tc.umn.edu>
To: "Imtgxxx" <ImtgxxxATnospamaol.com>
Cc: "Kundalini - L" <kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com>
Subject: Re: Bliss
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-----Original Message-----
From: Imtgxxx <ImtgxxxATnospamaol.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com <kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com>
Date: Tuesday, May 19, 1998 7:57 AM
Subject: Re: Bliss
I think that the whole thread helps put everything into context. So, for
the benefit of those just joining in, I'll include a bit from earlier in the
thread. It fairly accurately describes how I feel about most of the
universe. There's a scene from Contact (you know.... starring Jodie Foster)
that also describes how I (Antoine and I?) feel. It's the one where she
enters the alien machine and is flying around in outer space.
Antoine wrote:
> Love, Love, Love
> Life, death, life
> It's so wonderfull.
> I can't imagine anything more beautifull.
Then I wrote:
> What about suffering horribly? Suffering could be the result of
attachment,
> but it exists nonetheless. If it weren't for suffering, I'd agree with
you
> most wholeheartedly.
Then TG wrote:
>Suffering IS (not could be) the result of attachment. Each person has the
>same access to letting go of the suffering as Buddha did. Suffering is a
>choice.
That seems to be the philosophical basis for everything else in your
message: that suffering is a choice a being makes, not the result of
circumstances beyond their control.
I'll address this more in the rest of the message.
>Easy for me to say when I'm not in great physical pain as some are.
That's the thing that I've noticed for myself. When I'm in a good mood
(lots of seratonin in the brain/chemicals released in the brain/external
circumstances that result in pleasure), it always seems really easy to let
go of "things that don't matter" like people cutting me off in traffic,
someone accidentally injuring you (dropping something on your foot, etc.),
or not having something work the way you want it to.
When I'm like that, I might see someone who is absolutely convinced that
they must go places and do things or else they'll... um... I don't know
what it is that they fear. I definitely don't when I'm in that mood. But
whenever I see such a person, it will appear obvious to me that they should
let go of their attachments and that peace and happiness will follow out of
necessity. My girlfriend is like that a lot (convinced she must "do
things"). I'll try to explain to her how non-attachment and letting go of
your fears can lead to bliss and trainquility and all that. But she either
won't quite understand what I'm saying or will intellectually understand
what I'm saying but won't agree.
That's because she's choosing to remain attached, right? More thoughts
below...
> Emotional
>attachments are simple to let go of, once you have the awareness of what is
>really going on.
When I've thought about what I do when faced with a source of emotional
suffering: I think about the actual situation, try to determine what it is
that I fear losing, and see what I *really* lose. Because I'm a bit of a
determinist, the goal is always to convince myself that I've lost nothing.
(There was no way to really avoid that "loss": it was a determined event!
No sense in clinging to the impossible, right?)
That what you're talking about?
> I'm sure the physical suffering attachments are the same,
>although as yet, I have not been able to figure this one out.
I think I could be of some assistance here.
I think I've removed aversion to minor burns. On hot days, I can walk
barefoot on hot asphalt and burn my feet (they blister somewhat if I let
them) without suffering any. I'd step onto the asphalt and wait until my
feet got hot. The longer I stayed there, they hotter they'd get, and the
more painful standing there would become. I'd wait until they hurt, but I'd
always keep level of pain from becoming uncomfortable (baby steps...). If I
relaxed and let go of the thought that says "that's pain and pain is bad", I
found that the pain wasn't didn't cause any suffering and that the sensation
was pleasurable simply because it was so intense. I've been able to apply
the same technique to walking barefoot on rough surfaces (forest, gravel,
dirt roads, etc.).
Can it be that I've found The Way Out? I'm not so sure, as I explain below.
> Is the
>physical pain REALLY from attachment to something? (maybe to being out of
>pain or to feel well?). Does our answer for relief from suffering lie in
our
>brothers, ie. doctors, or someone recommending some form of relief?
I theorize that pain is just the same as any other source of suffering. Or,
to be more precise, it's the same as any other thing that people think
causes them to suffer.
Using physical cures for physical "sources of suffering" sounds like more
seeking out things outside of yourself ("cures" that end suffering) that can
only be found inside (transcendent peace).
> If I am
>in physical pain, I will go within for the answer -- what occurs from that
is
>usually an answer in the form of someone else coming up with the answer (go
to
>the doctor, do this or that).
Sounds like you just have magic powers (you "went inside" for a cure for
your physical problem and *poof!* a doctor appears). I don't think that
using magic powers to deliver you from situations which you "choose not to
accept" is actually being free of suffering. It sounds like you're only
free of the external situations that "cause" them. (Which ain't half
bad...)
>I would think though, at some level, that once your internal thoughts are
>entirely purified, then there would be no suffering externally, no pain, no
>ill health, of the body at all.
That's pretty much my theory, too. But there's a complication.
Sometimes, I'll have a headache or some pain that I'm not able to "accept",
or maybe I'll have a bad day. No matter what I've tried to do, I'll suffer.
I'll focus on the sensation or on the causes of my emotions, but I won't be
able to stop the suffering.
I'll wonder what is unpleasant about that sensation and I'll have no idea
why it is. But it will still suck. Experiences like that suggest to me two
possibilities: 1) I still have some attachments I haven't discovered and
worked through yet; or 2) that "removing attachments" is just
desensitization, and that there is no real escape from suffering, only the
ability to prevent suffering-causing situations from becoming.
I guess I'll have to keep experimenting and see what I discover.
[[[ And on a lighter note ]]]
> * I'm not into working out. My philosophy: No pain, no pain *
My philosophy: No pain.
(It's all in your head.)
[[[ Listen to this ]]]
I wanted to post this info, but it's a whee bit off-topic, so I'll just
include it as a sort of signature.
Get RealPlayer or NetShow and go to
http://www.broadcast.com/jukebox/Alblums/H/Homework_8426092b.stm
I like the songs that begin around 37:50 (minutes:seconds) and 46:40. The
intro's nice, too. The whole album is, really.
Date: Tue, 19 May 1998 12:17:20 EDT
From: Soulseeks <SoulseeksATnospamaol.com>
To: Tom_I_BradleyATnospamEURO.CCMAIL.compuserve.com, kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: K in the Bible
Message-ID: <6c8fcf30.3561b091ATnospamaol.com>
Tom,
I wonder why you felt such anger at the mention of the bible. Often on the
k-lists different books are referred to and quoted. Don't you think that
open-ness to all ideas is more of a blessing than carrying around all that
negativity you sent to the list.
Keeping my happy thoughts,
Rebecca
Date: Tue, 19 May 1998 21:57:27 +0530
From: "Sandeep Chatterjee" <sandeepcATnospambom3.vsnl.net.in>
To: "Biharilal Shah" <kunastroATnospamhotmail.com>
Cc: <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Re: Enlightenment (Please don't be sorry!)
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Hi Biharilal,
-
>>>In the state of enlightenment, everything remains. You with doubtless
>clarity is there.
Sandeep:
Nix.
If "you" remain, nothing has happened.
>You with craving for enlightenment is delusion.
Sure. What else is the "you" but a bag full of your cravings.
>It is wonder of wonders.
Is it? Have you experienced? (smile)
>To search for the wonder will create
>delusion
Agreed.All searching is actually not reaching.
But's thats not what we were talking.We were talking of the presence or
absence of the "you" in the state of enlightenment (whatever that means)
Cheers
Sandeep
Date: Tue, 19 May 1998 12:39:28 -0400
From: MariAna Mikula <romeATnospamiwaynet.net>
To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re:Bliss
Message-ID: <3561B5C0.7983ATnospamiwaynet.net>
I wish I could send my message to the list on the whole. I have never
done that yet. I am offended with that which was sent here. The
terminology and the energy that is wasted on 'detail' of the drama of
written words is, in my truth, not the matter that one should dwell
upon.
Date: Tue, 19 May 1998 12:45:54 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Peter A. Salzman" <psalzmanATnospamwesleyan.edu>
To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: K in the Bible
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Some thoughts on Kundalini in Old Testament and Judaic thought: I think
its an important project to figure out and flesh out the ways in which
different cultures and religions understand the process of K. Everything
can explicitly be found in the Eastern texts and traditions but in the
traditions of Judaism and others, things might be more implicit or hidden
or given over in different terms...
this i have thought, while fighting off sorrow,
that Moses was raised by the daughter of Pharoe
that evil breeds leaders for the holy to follow
and what goes down bad now rises different tomorrow
and the lotus rises from the mud of our samsaric and egoic ground
I noticed reference to the rod of Moses, that before his visions with
God, Moses was hard of speech and ungraceful of tongue and that God
gave him the rod and Aaron his brother to help and that there were some
pretty heavy times when Moses used that rod... like with the crossing
of the sea of Reeds and hitting the rock in the desert to have water
come forth... Gene Kieffer pointed out the burning bush as the nervous
system on fire, a sign of awakened kundalini. Moses goes to a mountain and
prays and meditates. The hebrew word for meditation is Hitbodedut which
means to make oneself alone, all one. And from there he has a vision of
God, the burning bush, and a small still voice that lets him know he's on
holy ground... And you know it says in Genesis that the human was made in
the image of God, male and female union of spirit in every person and the
Rabbi's all talk of this as a spark of Godliness in us all, and that the
path toward the Holy Land is about union between that alone immanent spark
within and that transcendent all one no end (ein sof) God without. And
Moses makes this connection and sees the spark and feels the burning bush,
the liquid fire, the flame that doesn't consume and says "Who are you" and
the voice says I am that I am... I wish it that we could all see into the
deepest depths and most noble parts of each other and our selves and
recognize I am that I am you are that you are and let each other be like
that. And walk with each other out of egypt like that. Mitzraim (Egypt)
is ego and the Land of Milk and Honey with all of its ambrosial showers
is about spiritual revolution. And its not straight good evil battling
but its about compassionate non-violent (even on the subtle plane)
revolution. The hard heart of Pharoe is the hardness we feel in this
world... Ezekiel prophecizes that in the days of redemption our heart of
stone will be replaced with a heart of flesh. A living, loving heart of
the world...
The BIBLE IS AN ASTRAL STORY. ALL PEOPLE AND DRAMAS are people and dramas
but also paradigms and patterns of the Spirit...
I would love to hear more people's thoughts on this kind of stuff... I
would like to share more but have to go for now...
L'Shalom,
Peter
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